What Happened to PokerStars? 😔 | 200 ZOOM Hands
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📜 Video Description 📜
Many of us fondly remember the days when PokerStars was by far the best place to play online poker. Games were full of recreational players and tough regs alike and sponsored pros included people like Daniel Negreanu. These days the cash game lobbies often look like ma barren wasteland. In this video I jump into 200 ZOOM in the morning hours to find a tiny pool mostly occupied by tough regs. Nevertheless, we do battle and analyse some of the most interesting spots.
I remember the days I played with Americans, Italians, French and Russians on PS. Golden days.
Its not so much the stars problem, its the zoom format problem. What initially was meant to be a rec friendly mode became the very opposite of it. It makes the pros edge way more apparent, it heavily incentivizes the boring tag style, and recs want none of that.
Same with Bovada and ignition. I’ve been wondering lately where have all the players gone?
for stars to challenge GG they need to do these 3 things:
1. unban russia
2. ban huds like pt4 and hm3 and have there own built in one.
3. have crypto currency as a deposit option
What’s wrong with pt4 and why unban Russia
@@aidannicholls5149 russia = more players and 3rd party huds is unfair to casuals. im a reg and i cba with huds. thats why i play on gg. no staring at numbers all game.
@@aidannicholls5149 sigh....
Hell no! Russians are the biggest cheaters, also hem3 is not so harmful as you think. They should offer more fun games and promos that's all. Unfortunately they are totally legal in contrast to gg so they can't offer decent promos cause every European country has a different tax poker system
I think the cash landscape is becoming very regular heavy and very rec lite.mtts are way more attractive to fish, and frankly fish will just lockbox a little more often in MTT’s then in cash rings I think we’re beginning to see the evolution of what the massive amount of content available for poker Education will do
But I thought mass multitabling and high rakeback was bad for the games... That's what they said in 2+2 and other places. They must be happy with the limit of 4 tables, and now there aren't almost any tables running on NL500 and NL1k. Just because some people are good at playing a card game doesn't mean they understand anything about markets or liquidity.
PS: 'new improved rewards system': 'n% chance to win a ticket for a raffle!', 'Sorry you didn't win anything this time!'...
The PS rewards revamp just punished casual players.
@@hencole It was already punishing before too.
In the 4 flush hand, he can block trips and there are boats possible that might size like that if they're not going for the xr
i remember playing on FTP, i miss my young days :(:(
Pokerstars could be revitalized if they launched real money games for VR Poker. I know I could play that all day.
that would be great but I think with the amount of children on PokerstarsVR/Vegas infinite could cause problems. Honestly a lot of people would make bank if they added real money games to VR. A VR player that has played 100,000+ hands is probably worse than someone who has played 5,000 hands on normal pokerstars
@@NotReallyTho_ That's what I was thinking. There would be a lot of big winners and losers in a pool like that. The current state of stars seems like most people are just grinding for the rake back.
I was wondering why gg and 888 only offer small tournaments. Nothing over 1 k. I don't know if its because of german regulation rules.
Zoom and Rush is bad for poker recs, when all the pro's are using tools what chance do the recs have. Hard enough to get a read on 5-10 players in a ring but on zoom it's impossible. So if the recs are getting cleaned out always why should they play on zoom and rush.
I left few yrs back when everyone was scripting PS, I would imagine AI scripts now take everything online. Gambling/playing online these days is pretty much giving money away for free.
You're playing in a terrible time slot, the pools start getting better in the late afternoon and they're still pretty good in the evenings, especially on weekends
Yes live poker is thriving no one wants a guy having 1000s of notes and poker software running, LIVE POKER TO THE MOON.
It's over for online poker.
Aurora was an inside job to kill pokerstars. Suddenly people got this 30fps choppy feeling with a slightly improved graphics... sorry but with people running sick setups with 240hz monitors, 30fps choppy gameplay just ain't it.
I quit poker completely couple of months ago, despite being a slight winner on 100NL R&C. Dont think its a good idea to try to play professionally in todays games unless you live in a country where 1-2k a month makes you a king or you are willing to sacrifice your life to studying and climb to high stakes (and still have 1-2 year losing or break even streaks due to variance). Its better to make money in other ways and play a live tournament from time to time as a rec if you really like the game (as i do).
What will you be doing instead?
@@blaz3ofglory570when winning players roi is 1-2 bbs per hour, quite possibly any minimum /basic pay job is better income than anything less than 50/100.
Yep, agreed. Most people don't have the cognitive faculties to make ends meet using poker. Main thing is that the rake is just way too high, plus the players are clearly getting better. If you have the raw brainpower to crush despite these challenges, you might as well use that powerful brain of yours to make $500k/year writing code for one of the big tech firms. It's more money than you're likely to make playing poker, and you're actually contributing something to society.
@@pokersoftwarereviews5051 What a load of tosh.
@@blaz3ofglory570 If you can make 100k/year playing poker I'm happy for you. Personally I can't do it. Rake at my local casino is 10% and they recently killed off $1/$3 so basically it's getting harder and harder to make ends meet this way. Making money online is certainly doable but you have to be seriously good and play like 4 tables minimum. And it's honestly not that hard to make big money in other careers, whatever you might say.
People recognized that its a SCAM!
True
Im not a coder, but it seems strange to me that other sites dont revamp their UI. GG looks modern and everything else looks old. I think recs want pretty graphics and emoji reactions and whatever.
Exactly my thoughts
GG has *awful* optimization and pushes $5,000+ computers to their graphical limits at times in spite of being an otherwise very simple application. It also hasn't been fundamentally updated and overhauled since its inception, and we all know about how vulnerable GG's back-end is by now. Not to mention the PVI traps on the site which turn the mystery bounties and other jackpot-based systems into a pay-to-win scheme, which is essentially rigged poker in a nutshell. So, let's not go around singing GG's praises now. Online poker software has simply been shit for 25 years since Planet Poker was founded, and that particular caveat has never really been fully resolved up to this day. My theory is actually that this level of incompetence amongst all online poker operators as a whole is why you still haven't seen any major countries make any real efforts to fully regulate online poker since Black Monday occurred more than 14 years ago.
that's the problem right here -> your mindset. You think recreational players are retarded and are in to spew money at the tables and have fun. And people with your mindset make bad managers and have destroyed platform after platform over the past 15 years.
I can understand recs loving the gg design and ui, but to me it just feels so juvenile. my favorite ui design so far seems to be bovada/ignition. clean and minimalist for me
To be honest, GG site looks pretty crappy. It’s cartoonish ASF, looks like a play store game like zynga poker, and looks very unprofessional. Sincerely i prefer pokerstars’s skin , it looks classic, but i prefer it.
I moved to live games after the pandemic days and the live scene is thriving
People say the say live scene is thriving, but honestly that only applies in the USA and Canada and maybe a few other places like Macau. In the UK for example live poker is basically dead outside of London.
Nottingham and Liverpool have decent scenes too, but you'll struggle to find anything over 2/5
definitely not canada
@@trevordigs4826 why not?
Iris open main event was biggest in history in this year. Here in Spain last con tournament brake records and same in tallinn in WSOPC so live gamea running 🔥
Stars usually won't crack 50k players online while GG regularly has like 300k and close to 500k players on weekends so that is where all the recs have gone
They don't. The number they put on the client doesn't come close to what actual "poker" player numbers are. They might represent actual players logged in, many of whom might be in the casino.
For evidence, now they have 360000 people playing, according to them.
There are about "4000" playing rush and cash, If you ignore 1c2c and 2c5c there are 1/2 that amount.
So, from 360000, only around 1% are playing rush and cash?
You will find roughly the same number playing hold'em.
So, lets say 10000 out of 360000 are playing poker, and in reality, many are multi tabling so it is probably closer to 5000 than 10000.
Obviously many are playing tournaments. Many tournament payers are also playing cash games.
@@ML-sj3gi isn't that the same thing with Stars tho
@@shawnb3245 No, Stars only shows people on an active table, this have been said before many times, sites like GG count everyone online wheter it be sitting in the lobby, playing play money or at the casinos, PokerStars numbers are only for people on Cash game tables, running SNG tables or running Tournaments.
If that was the case that they did show people on Casino in the lobby, then it would be well over 150k because Casino on Pokerstars is actually very popular. And then you have all the Americans playing on play money aswell. GG combine all of this. GG show numbers for everyone logged onto their client, other pokersites do not do this.
All online cash games are infested with collusion and multi account players. You're better off just playing tournaments with enough players in the pool that all the various groups trying to collude are likely to be too split up to do any damage.
I also encourage people to understand the way people collude in online tournaments as you can use to your advantage. For example, they will often fold to squeezes when they open and call each other to see a flop 2 handed or 2 on 1 if it's three way. The smarter ones will try to bait you to squeeze, in that case, just see the flops with random ass defends and try to cooler their overpairs.
Its because Stars is full of grinders and bots and the player programs are shite.
Dying? It's been dead for years! 😃Actually rather impressive (and sad) when you think about it considering what a monopoly they had...
Full Tilt had a great skin
Player pools might not be as big but winrates and winning players are about 3 or 4 times bigger by both metrics than GG. If you're picking GG because of "soft" pools your a mug.
It’s time to be honest and disclose that zoom tables are a rake trap pushed by poker sites so that recreationals lose slower because regs have less reads and everyone is tighter.
Regular tables is where the money is at.
it's insane that it's not obvious to everyone. shrink everyone's winrate, make the money go back and forth = only real winner is the poker site
it's pretty well known that winrate is lower at zoom, however there is also less bs involved (less variance in a sense) and hourly rate can still be better due to the amount of hands played
Agree that reg tables are easier. 25 and 50 zoom are still easily beatable though pre-rakeback.
@@danielegarja variance is inherently higher when your winrate is lower. If you only win at 2bb/100 you will spend the vast majority of your career in a downswing
@@Bean-js9bc problem is you can't
I am also not personally worried that online poker has just gotten "too tough" or whatever. What DOES terrify me is a GG monopoly. Monopolies are bad for everyone. We need to fight against that.
GG has access to markets PS won't enter. It's simple as that.
Do you know what a monopoly is? Literally you have +20 sites to choose
@@pablocuevas1052 yeah they don't have a monopoly YET.
Didn't the 500z regs boycott the site years ago?
Russians got banned over the Ukraine invasion, and 500z died with it.
Yup, ansky old school plo guy was one of the first to boycott back in the day when the took SNE away, he was back playing there a month later.
“ see how loyal a dog is when he’s hungry “
now fishes know about GTO as well lol
They got greedy. End of story.
gg is 10x worse and going strong so i dont think its that
Lol GG has the most ridiculous rake in the history of online poker
@@Spidi8666 Oh lord. PS started getting greedy before GG was even a thing, How do people not know this.
@@pierrearr Yeah and PS drove there customers there long before GG poker was one giant rake trap. I didn't mean PS got greedy last week. This was close to a decade ago. Getting rid of super nova elite and other incentives was the beginning of the end,
@@canadianpoker83 yeah i know but ny point is that gG is worse than PS ever was and still going strong. so indint think thats why most pol left otherwise gg would be loosing players as well
I had an account at PS since 2000. Im Australian. A couple of years ago the Australian Government banned online poker. So that would have taken thousands of Australian players out of the loop.
Is Stars dying...no. It's reg infested at all stakes because they are doing a terrible job for recreationals - including the RB system. They need to figure out how to get Recs back from GG.
Also, you played right after SCOOP finished, where even a lot of the Regs will take time off because they've grinded MTT's for a months/know recs won't be about
if they just allowed crypto deposits I bet recs would come back. Its very hard for recs to deposit a lot of money
@@laundrysauceNL agree totally - I think they struggle with getting legislation done across some many countries for the "world" pool
Stars also made a political decision to not allow Russian players at the start of the war which pushed out a large part of their traffic straight into the palms of GG
Ive seen a few people who play stars who actually say because of the absolute obscene rake that your probably still better off playing stars over GG if your not willing to play 20 hour + sessions to grind leaderboards.
These people have also said THE ABSOLUTE NUMBER FUCKING ONE factor on stars on the sessions they win and lose is time of day. Im in canada and there in uk and i dont know the timezones or remember the exact hours since i usually play tourneys but ive heard it said that its literally not worth playing at all outside like a 4 hour window. Otherwise it is literally 10-1 maybe 15-1 or even higher reg to fish ratios.
imagine bluffing not k7s really good runout and maybe folding overpairs because of trips and straights and then bluffing kqs where the runout sucks really hard looooooool
I'm in Europe. I can't play on pokerstars! And I hate GG rake! So what to do...
Why you cant Play Jokerstars in Europe ?
Biit dont dio IT . Everypokersite IS rigged
@@unterdog European rules. They don't have license for EU. In other words, they yet have to pay of some politicians..
@@ossiebassie3277 i can Play PS in Germany .in the netherlands and spain IS maybe possible that rhey have No license
it`s not 2006 again...even a rec now knows alot about poker
I think Stars has focused on certain states and places (Ontario, New Jersey,etc) where players can only play against locals and not versus the world…
Not sure if it’s a great business plan and it definitely has lost so much traffic worldwide.
It’s so hud heavy and reg filled that it’s harder to beat the games organically and the rakeback isn’t as good as it used to be.
Not playing stars anymore personally but if i was to get back into MTTs perhaps i’d look into it
I think part of it is that online poker is illegal in so many parts of the US
That's what let PS dominate the market initially -they essentially simply ignored the law change
@@Timlagor What are you talking about? Pokerstars succeeded after Black Monday effectively banned Americans from playing online because they penetrated the poker markets in several emerging countries, especially in South America and Asia. Now, you have more Brazilians, Argentinians, Chileans, Peruvians, Vietnamese, Mongolians, Japanese, Koreans, Thais, and peoples of various Slavic nations playing online poker than ever before. Gordon Vayo literally had six figures seized from him for even attempting to play PokerStars tourneys on US soil.
@@Uncle_Troy The USA banned poker in 2005. Party didn't ignore the law and withdrew from the US market. Only in 2011 the US started enforcing the law thus the black Friday happened.
@@Uncle_Troy They essentially made no real effort to stop USAns from playing on PS while most of the other sites did.
@@lukebruce5234 You could say that about a ton of different networks and sites, though. FT/Absolute/Stars were just the three biggest offenders and they all operated in the Isle of Man near the UK, Ireland, and Quebec, Canada at the time. So there was simply sufficient jurisdiction for them to be raided and taken into custody and prosecuted by US authorities. Those who operate in the Caribbean or Asia were largely unaffected. And if Partypoker had tried to remain a step ahead of Stars back in the day instead of being so late to try and expand their own market, they probably would still be a dominant force today. TV exposure made Stars and Full Tilt what they were.
Got my soul crushed playing 10z/25z the last 1.5 years. I heard shady things about GG and don't want to play there, but maybe it is time to move
WPT is 1000x better than either
Technology has made it easier to run the platform. Yet bonuses/incentives for players are gone.
In like two weeks I won´t be able to play on PokerStars, since they are closing in my country, so I am forced to change the platform. But I feel like this could be a good idea anyway, because like Pete has said, the competition is quite tough.
I play NL25 regular tables. I need to brutally table select on 6-max. Like 80% of tables is just LAG´s and TAG´s battling each other. The remaining 20% is me, mostly 1 passive fish, 3 LAG´s and 1 TAG and that is still very tough table to play.
Full Ring is different though. You get like 1 or 2 fishes, 3 nits, 3 TAG´s and 1 LAG on those tables. And that is a completely different game. But the game is slow when you can play only 4 tables on PS.
I am honestly interested how much of a softer pool iPoker has, because that where I will be forced to play next 😅
What about SYNOT?
@@lukebruce5234 Traffic is extremely low on Synot 😅 but I´ve heard that the pool is really soft ... so maybe it is worth the try, but just one or two tables at max 😀
@@DefenderOfAvril They raised the rake cap now btw. $9 USD at 5% and 5-10% rakeback.
Ipoker is softer pool of regs at these stakes compare to PS. But because of no table CAP, there is quite a lot of reg battling going on and rake is very high.
Are you retrosinsy btw?
@@lukebruce5234 well, that´s horrendous 😅
what is the best site for reg tables NL25/NL50 limits ? I don't like fast version, it just bother me that every hand I am randomly on different position with players shuffled.
Those stakes are very good everywhere.
Ignition, gg poker, ipoker in that order
rigged for small players... No want play that rigged software
Still has the best UI at least
Do you get access to the discord server by purchasing the monthly membership or is it just for cps purchases ?
Yes - you do.
@@crzytimes1 Do you know how to do this process? I am subscribed too and can't find a way!
I want to ask about the KQs on J22r, we rly want to play such a agressive line when our opp have 2x advantage?
What do you think to start from small cb to force our opp to defend wider range vs small bet otf, and the polarize ourself on the turn?
You rly want to play QQ+ by 75% 150% shove?
In these positions BB doesn't have a 2X advantage. BB isn't defending K2s, Q2s or 52s against LJ/HJ and against this sizing. BB only has A2s that we have too and he is going to 3bet some of the time
Plus against HJ Vilain is going to 3bet JJ+ close to pure, so he is likely capped to JX, the perfect spot to apply max pressure when you have 12 combos of AJ + 18 combos of QQ+
Not saying that you can't bet small flop and over bet bigger turn and or river or anything, but I'm pretty sure that you want to get to shove river in some way at a high frequency here
No offence but it’s hard to watch your videos when you constantly make rookie mistakes yourself but complain how tough the games are
On that first hand you say a big raise would be used, every 200 reg should know you want to raise 50% pot tops because of tied nut advantage
Then you appear to always barrel the turn - highly exploitable, you need to check flush draws often
Then on the river say it might be ok to shove 87?? Absolutely atrocious
You only find the games tough because you are way below 200z reg level. Maybe actually get good at poker before trying to teach it
The only true way for another boom to happen and for all of these sites to have ridiculous traffic would be if the United States were to join the player pool. It would be poker circa 2011 or before and there'd be so many guarantees and just overall fun for everyone. It's far too expensive around the world so people just don't want to play. US legislation is so trash and it's unreal because Stars and GG would be insane. Not to mention the fun satellites to make the WSOP even larger.
Everyone is solid now the fish is lesser
isnt kruzer dumb to play those games? he could be playing 1knl on gg... or just play many reg tables of 200 and 500, its just not worth doing it, he made like average wage in the us but he plays in the hardest games ever
Everyone using solvers, too easy to cheat/collab , no way I'd ever play online again. It's sad I love poker but you can't get a fair game in way too many areas of poker, too many angle shooters.
To many bots and cheaters on poker stars. Gg poker is not far behind. No online poker is safe for real money. There is always a way around glitches great for programmers to hack
havent played a hand since 2012......thx government, class c felony in my state, same as a CHILD RAPIST.....
App poker rules mate. That's where the liquidity and recs are. Regs and students need to expand your horizons.
Pokerstars is dead since, 2014?? When the investment group started only to extract money.
In a lot of eu countrys rakeback isnt allowed. Those countrys are high in fish count, because of this the fish quit.
With RTA, HUDs, inside cheating scandals, loaded with pros, collusion, AI and issues getting money out, the bigger question is why are folks still playing online? The juice does not seem to worth the squeeze anymore. Casinos are becoming more and more numbered as well, so it is not far for most of us to get to a casino. Less hands, but none of the other nonsense.
I play there every day at 25 nl zoom precicely because its a tough pool iplayed there for years and this year is the first time im consistently up, i want to play live eventually and i can make my money back quickly if i can beat 25nl, which i think i can now the fact its tough and cheap is great,ive lost 3k on that site, if ihad to learn playing live id have lost about 1000 times that at least.
live play level is literally like nl2 zoom tables. You wouldn't lose a penny if you can breakeven on any zoom tables
Even the tournaments on stars at full of sweats. Only people left seem to be diehard players who don't want to move.
888/party and GG make much more sense for softer games
i just cant imagine coach who not amkeing profit.... its so funy.. fish for me
gto can learn without coach.. and if couch not making money its so usles
Here in Norway, online poker is forbidden, so we can't no longer play online poker.
Poker has been ruined in most of the Europe as-well, here in Lithuania all big rooms are illegal, tho pokerstars still allow players to play, but then the problem becomes cashing out and not being charged for illegal gambling, however GGpoker appears to be in the last phase of becoming legal here
zoom isnt real poker
Pokerstars died on black Friday
ACR has actually been looking up lately! Not sure if they are capturing some of these Stars recs or if gambling in the US is just on the rise. But the number of fish at mid stakes has been pretty solid recently!
ACR is the biggest scam site going! See what happens when you bink a big win and withdraw some of your winnings
Yeah but anticheat system is the worst of all sites
they went woke thats what happend.
3bb/100, what a joke lol
Always makes me laugh when people say that online poker is dead. They are the ones not studying hard enough on their technical and mental game. I work a full time job and only play an hour or two in the evenings and then a few hours at weekends yet I’ve made over 3k in profit so far this year. I play on party poker at NL25 and NL50 regular tables and then 25 fast forward and they are all full of terrible players. Even the regs are not that good and don’t have pre flop nailed down. My win rate is crazy good just exploit exploit exploit, so I can overcome the high rake with that plus rakeback and sign up deals etc. I am from the UK so not sure if the deals are as good worldwide.
Interesting. I’m currently playing $5nl on partypoker too. Started out with $40 and played $2 and currently $5. I’m almost bankrolled for $10, will probably be moving up this week or next.
Is there much difference in the skill level of $25/$50 compared to $2-$10?
Honestly man the standard of play upto and including NL50 is really poor. NL25 plays like NL5 on stars for example
Stop bragging dude , you are just in positive variance stretch. Play some millions hands before you show off yr funny profits
@@abstract1603 I agree that 99pc of poker players underestimate variance but i disagree that at low stakes such as NL25 you need to play millions of hands to prove you can beat the game considerably.
In the past X2 years I have played around 500k hands and my win rate is over 5BB AFTER rake. I think that is enough proof you can beat these stakes with hard work and poker isn't dead which was my point.
@samgoldsmith3791 low stakes isn't for a big grind . Nl25 at some poker rooms is totally a rake trap.
pokerstars is DEAD
nl50 reg tables are dying too
more rake is better
Jokerstars.....
its easy af to make people quit PS or any online site when you show them how easy it is for them to actually be rigged... i dont know how many people ive convinced to quit not based on evidence that PS is rigged but that when you show them ONE rigged algorithm... they immidiately know that all of the comments where someone says "it would cost them kagizillion million rubles to create such a thing" were wrong and just some idiot who has no clue how to program a computer or has even developed a casino game.
rake is better
PLO Big O live for money ?
Dude, study that J9, until you see your mistakes. Cz you played it terribly, sorrry, lol. peace
Care to elaborate?
Apart from fold pre which was a missclick what should he do, XR flop > XF turn?
@@Galahand87yeah, I probably wouldn't bet the turn at all but a block bet is definitely not "terrible" and folding to the raise is definitely the correct play imo :D.
4am loool
Pokerstars feels just outdated
Greed always greed
People realized that all poker sites are rigged. That's happening. You're welcome.
True. But not all :(
Someone help me after @25:25 timestamp. I am fairly new to poker (few months) and I never understood "blockers" in this scenario. I get it when the A blocks some combos for the nut flush etc. but in cases like this, why is the Ace blocking? Yes its one less Ace in the deck so it reduces the probability a tiny bit of villain having one. But how much does this matter? I mean we try to play cards with good kickers for a reason. Because the other person easily has the better Ace, King whatever. According to this "blocker logic" this would be a far lesser concern. Maybe someone can get me on the right track on this one :) Nice Video btw!
What you said is right, blockers reduce the chance for the opponent to hold a certain card by a tiny bit. That's all. And it shouldn't influence your decision too much. It can be ONE ingredient out of many for a decision.
My optimistic view for online poker is that AI will help detect players who play too close to GTO. So will weed out any fear of bots and let humans and perhaps some better engagement data for recs
If you want to take an optimistic view, the focus shouldn’t be on the winning players. It should be on getting more losing players through the door. Put asses in seats. Brute force marketing rather than technical adjustments.
Here’s 2 quick stories from the online boom days.
Mid-2000’s, I’m home from school for the summer. I’m at a friend’s house, a bunch of us are pre-gaming getting ready for a night out at the bars. I notice my friend is glued to his computer screen playing on Party Poker. I’m sweating him, and he’s just all over the place poker-wise. Totally nonsensical. I can see that a quick 20m coaching session could make a huge difference for him. I get about 90 seconds in, and he says “Dude, I DGAF about any of this stuff. Every Friday night, I put 500 bucks on the site. Any time I double my money, I double the stakes. When the money’s gone, the money’s gone”
Later that week, I run into a separate old friend. He tells me he had a bad weekend. He went on a losing streak on Party Poker, and kept depositing over and over and now his bank account balance was -7k.
It occurred to me that this is why the games were so good. For every player that took the game seriously and actually tried to win, there were probably 10 that just treated it like an entertaining night of degeneracy at the craps table.
They took out most of the Canadian pool and fenced it in Ontario which has more than 1/3 of the population and Canadian's are notoriously bad at poker. I've heard a lot of countries have done this too.
PS is a majority of Brazilians now
@@yashnu I Wouldn't know but when I was on global stars it was mostly Russians and Brazillians.
@@gabrielboily2641 ...and since they blocked all Russians... 😜
@@yashnu who's left? Brazilians I guess
Yep, the ontario pool is relatively soft.
It hasn't been the same since April 15th, 2011. The American market all but died and it's been a domino effect since then. Online poker has clawed back somewhat but for the most part online poker just isn't what it used to be, and the effects have been felt by all sites.
Rakeback is a joke, even a rec has a chance of winning a jackpot etc at GG, Stars literally offers nothing at all.
I get 20% plus some tickets and other small bonuses every now and then on Stars. That's with relatively low volume.
@Bean-js9bc very few select players. I played over 200k hands last year, excluding tournaments, and they took away my rakeback challenges and said I didn't qualify for the new select program because I didn't pay 50k in rake lol.
@@johnwall1989 -they changed their rakeback scheme since you last played. The scheme is now more transparent and fairer to all players.
The rakeback changed in the past year towards a fairer and transparent system. I left Stars after moving to about 1% rakeback a few years ago but now get around 20% without playing much volume.
@@Bean-js9bc it's clearly not fairer when I was getting 40% rakeback and now nothing at all.
recreational players have day jobs. they aren't playing poker at 9am on a weekday.
Thats why 9 AM in EU is best time to play on GGPoker. Its evening in Asia :)
Ya, because everyone lives in the same time zone Einstein.
@@johnwall1989 well, you'd need to be what, 8 or 9 hours ahead of Scotland to be home from work.
so that would be the tail end of Russia and a third of Australia, who I don't think can play on Stars. that's some slim pickings there.
or are you seeing the time differently, Dr. Who ?
@ekw555 New Zealand Japan Thailand. I forgot people in the West usually only think themselves exist.
It's not pokerstars, poker is dying. Everyone's solid, there is no more money, no net depositors, no fish/whales.
Cope
Lol get good
People have been saying that poker is dying since 2005.
You should start playing some more live poker then
I've been playing for 15 years and the online games are as soft as they've ever been.
wow you're looking older
ggpoker's great before the PVI multiplayer deepthroats your rakeback ^^ if you play low to mid stakes there with a ton of volume the promotions more or less keep your engine running