I rarely talk about the durability of shoes but I had the Speed 1 and two pair of Speed 2s and the PR PB being a PEBA based foam reduces the durability too much for me. After 650 Ks/400 miles got so squishy that my knees started hurting. About 650 Ks on my Bostons now and they still feel brand new. I feel like for a cheaper price with the Boston you're buying a shoe that lasts twice as long.
I have both and use the Boston 12s for 10k races and speed workouts. I use the Enorphin 4 in my rotation with New Balance Rebel V4 for daily workouts. Love al 3 of them
@@michaelichsanprado9675Honestly, I would just as fast in either one. I "feel" faster" and more comfy if I am going all out in a 10K with the Boston 12's. BTW: I am 59, been running for about 48 years and my time is usually about 42-44 minutes for a 10K.
I love the Boston 12's once they are on but man, the upper is fussy. It takes me a couple of minutes to get them laced properly and often I need to stop and readjust the laces once after starting out on my run.
I’ve got the speed 3 and Boston. I found the Boston really hard until you get 20-30 miles to soften the foam. I also find I get a bit of a blister on my right foot with the Boston. Speed 3 wins for me, did my first marathon in it and felt super comfortable and can get some pace out of it when you want to!
Great Comparison video Nick. I am the same as you, I get forefoot pain if i run in the Speed 4 for over 1 hour. but apart from that it is such an incredible shoe
Nick is spot on. Love the Boston 12, I wish they would just add a slight amount of padding to the tongue just to stop the lace pressure. Otherwise, fantastic shoe even with the fussy upper and it's always on discount somewhere.
I buy 2mm sticky backed foam from a craft store, you can use it on tongues to alleviate pressure, or on heels to stop slipping, or change a 10mm drop to a 8mm drop, very useful stuff, weighs practically nothing.
Really useful vid. I've had endorphin speed 1,2 and 3s. If I do an autumn marathon, I can easily see me using that for training. 5k and 10k training this summer though, might give the bostons a whirl.
Nick how the 2 compare with Puma Nitro Elite 2? I am tempted to try the Puma as a daily trainer as after enjoying several Speed 2, I did not like Speed 3. Cheers
Couldn’t agree more,your analysis is on point on all part and that’s exactly how I prefer to used them. Great Shoes both. I’m very curious how the future ASICS Magic Speed 4 and maybe the Nike Zoom Fly 6 will fair compared to those two.
ES4 has lost its way… Saucony have daily trainers, bring back the “Speed”. Also couldn’t get along with the ES4 due to the tapered toe box. Much prefer the B12, but also the Tyr Speedworks - genuine contender in this category!
Yeah, this was a good video, but as the Boston is about to be updated (whilst the Speed was recently updated), it would have been useful to mention this difference in the shoes' launch cycles.
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I rarely talk about the durability of shoes but I had the Speed 1 and two pair of Speed 2s and the PR PB being a PEBA based foam reduces the durability too much for me. After 650 Ks/400 miles got so squishy that my knees started hurting. About 650 Ks on my Bostons now and they still feel brand new. I feel like for a cheaper price with the Boston you're buying a shoe that lasts twice as long.
I have both and use the Boston 12s for 10k races and speed workouts. I use the Enorphin 4 in my rotation with New Balance Rebel V4 for daily workouts. Love al 3 of them
for 10k better boston 12 or Rebel V4 ?
@@michaelichsanprado9675Honestly, I would just as fast in either one. I "feel" faster" and more comfy if I am going all out in a 10K with the Boston 12's. BTW: I am 59, been running for about 48 years and my time is usually about 42-44 minutes for a 10K.
How do they fit in overall length? I have the speed 4 in 11.5US size. Should I be looking at the same size in the the Boston 12's?
Would love to see a speed 4 vs superblast comparison
We have it good these days. both of these shoes are great
I love the Boston 12's once they are on but man, the upper is fussy. It takes me a couple of minutes to get them laced properly and often I need to stop and readjust the laces once after starting out on my run.
Speed 4 is kinder to heel strikers, but both feel nice for my mid/fore foot strike.
I love Boston 12 for track training and i'm very interested in trying Endorphine Speed in the next sales!
I’ve got the speed 3 and Boston. I found the Boston really hard until you get 20-30 miles to soften the foam. I also find I get a bit of a blister on my right foot with the Boston.
Speed 3 wins for me, did my first marathon in it and felt super comfortable and can get some pace out of it when you want to!
Your reviews are excellent thanks!!
Thanks!
I have both the boston 12 and the speed 3. Couldn't agree more with this review 👌🏻.
Great Comparison video Nick. I am the same as you, I get forefoot pain if i run in the Speed 4 for over 1 hour. but apart from that it is such an incredible shoe
Nick is spot on. Love the Boston 12, I wish they would just add a slight amount of padding to the tongue just to stop the lace pressure. Otherwise, fantastic shoe even with the fussy upper and it's always on discount somewhere.
I buy 2mm sticky backed foam from a craft store, you can use it on tongues to alleviate pressure, or on heels to stop slipping, or change a 10mm drop to a 8mm drop, very useful stuff, weighs practically nothing.
Have both. Love both. Strange to say, but I grab one or the other pretty much strictly based on mood. : )
Which one do you grab when youre sad?
@@Kaisersozze Any Nikes will do when I’m sad.
@@jasondohm4977 I don't have Nikes. The sadness will continue haha
Precisely. I too am a hater.
I have both and also do the same thing 😂. I do find the sole on the adidas better if it's wet outside
Really useful vid. I've had endorphin speed 1,2 and 3s. If I do an autumn marathon, I can easily see me using that for training. 5k and 10k training this summer though, might give the bostons a whirl.
Speed 3 fantastic, upgrade to 4 soon as discounts appearing. Fewer discounts in Thailand for Boston 12. Great video.
Which one would you choose as a marathon race shoe for a runner who is looking for a more stable ride?
Nick how the 2 compare with Puma Nitro Elite 2? I am tempted to try the Puma as a daily trainer as after enjoying several Speed 2, I did not like Speed 3. Cheers
The Puma Deviate 2 would be a better comparison...which is also an awesome shoe (although I wish it had a bit more rocker action)
Tuve el Boston y la devolví.
La Speed es mucho más cómoda y fácil de coger el ritmo
Couldn’t agree more,your analysis is on point on all part and that’s exactly how I prefer to used them.
Great Shoes both.
I’m very curious how the future ASICS Magic Speed 4 and maybe the Nike Zoom Fly 6 will fair compared to those two.
Darn it, I got the super blast. Where was this video 70 miles ago?
😅😂
ES4 has lost its way… Saucony have daily trainers, bring back the “Speed”. Also couldn’t get along with the ES4 due to the tapered toe box. Much prefer the B12, but also the Tyr Speedworks - genuine contender in this category!
Boston 13 should be on the near horizon no?
Yeah, this was a good video, but as the Boston is about to be updated (whilst the Speed was recently updated), it would have been useful to mention this difference in the shoes' launch cycles.
How are the toe boxes. Endorphin Speed 2 killed my toes.
I have the Speed 3's and Boston 12's.... I was surprised at how roomy the Boston toe box is. I love mine.
Go half size up in the speed 2
@@JoutarouKuujou1 you should have told me before my toenail fell off, lol
Speed 4
The boston is 10x more responsive and the the upper is fine.
love my Bostons, but the upper improves incredibly with lock laces or similar elastic options.
neo vista
Too soft
@@TheValonquar like butter
Tell me when you see a Saucony on a podium