This shows that Emma has faith in Regina. She looks at Snow when talking about regret because she is angry but she still doesn't spare a glance at Regina so she doesn't see the darkness in her
I think Emma is more angry that they lied to her than what they did. I get that. I would be too. I mean, they get on her back about making good choices when they make bad ones and hide them.(worst mistake ever)
because they want her to be better then they ever were, but I get what you're saying. I mean would you come right out of the blue and tell your kid that you were meant to be a villain ?
@@kammy925 not out of the blue, of course not. But over time I would. Even if they wanted her to be better, they need to respect that Emma is her own person, and ADULT, and can make her own decisions. Emma’s the only person who gets to decide how her life goes, not even her parents can decide that. If she was a child, of course they set out rules for her, but at the end of the day it’s her life.
@@DJ-wr1uo yea I get it, I mean they are human after all, they thought she wouldn't appreciate them anymore. That's every parents fear. But yes I definitely get what you're saying
I know some people are saying that Emma should just get over what happened with her parents, but as well as it being an awful thing that, in theory, they have held back from her since she came to Storybrooke, part of the grudge is the darkness talking. When Regina was the Evil Queen, she held a grudge against Snow for years. She forgave Snow when she became good. Darkness is more than just committing dark acts, such as murder. It plays a large part in Emma's annoyance at her parents.
What I think Emma hates most is that they made Maleficent's child an orphan, just like they did to her. I know she forgave them for sending her away, but figuring out they did it a SECOND time to another baby, and they did it because the mother was a "villain" and heroes are supposed to be bigger than that.
People are saying Emma should get over what happened? Her parents put darkness in a baby and took her away from her mother. It's their fault Lily was an orphan. If you ask me, Emma was being too nice.
+franny fel Part of her anger is not only what they did to her (and Lily and Maleficent), but also from the fact that they're always riding her about making the right choice, yet hiding their own poor decisions.
David, Mary Margaret, Henry, Regina, Hook and Emma they actually all done things they'd regret, like Regina killed so much innocent people just to get revenge on Snow, Mary Margaret and David almost killed Regina just because she threatened them and they kidnapped a baby and vanished her just so Emma can grow up not a villain, Emma gave up Henry for adoption just because she didn't want to be a mother and killed Cruella to save Henry, Henry left Regina for Emma because she tried to hurt the people he loved, Hook he took away Milah from Rumple, took away Ursula's singing voice and abandoned Baelfire "Neal" to Peter Pan!😐😐☺
THANK YOU FOR THIS! a lot of people are/are still/were debating on this and (now that I'm finally getting back into the show, even tho it ended lol) what I always loved about this show is it somehow showed all sides to all its characters and that they're all complex just like how in "real life" people are not one sided/black and white
Agree with most of this but pretty sure some of these details are wrong and misleading. Emma giving up Henry was to give him his best chance. She was going to jail. Hook didn’t actively chase down Mila just to hurt Rumple; Mila abandoned Rumple and their son because she thought Rumple was too weak and she wanted adventure, even if that meant leaving her son behind.
Yes I agree apart from the Emma situation. Don’t throttle me but she doesn’t regret it. He grew up to be a good kid. Without her for 10 years returning later was completely fine. But if she kept him it wouldn’t be the same. So so I truly think she regrets giving him up. No but I agree with rest.
Why does everyone harp on Minnesota? I mean Siri gets dark at like 4 o’clock in the afternoon in the winter which also can last till about April not very warm most of the year. Rains about every other month at least three times we get a couple of tornadoes every now and then. Wait where was I going with this?
I love how in the scene when snow realizes that lily is alive and snow didn’t kill the child she gets a look like she’s annoyed she didn’t get the job done rather than omg I didn’t kill her kid! Really shows how evil snow truly was!
Then what is darkness to Emma??? Regret can eat away at us & make us lose our minds. Some people live their lives with regret to the point they forget to live. I think Emma is still blaming her mother for the bad choices she made because Emma, as the savior, has to fix her mistakes. I think in Emma's mind, she wants to believe this shouldn't have happened, if Snow made the right choice, then it wouldn't have amounted to all this loss, tragedy, one bad choice after another, stolen childhoods, broken families, etc. I think Emma hasn't fully embraced being the savior, she still seems like the reluctant hero. The responsibility of it may be too much for her. I can also see Emma is still stuck in the past, her wounds have not fully healed or else she wouldn't have snapped at her mother.
Nikka Rose honestly I never really understood the show moral logic that if you do something even if it's necessary you are automatically dark and a villain. It's like getting angry even if it's justified would make Emma dark despite she has every right to be angry. The whole darkness and evil being the same thing got a little ridiculous.
Samantha Burkediggersam88 I totally agree with you they constantly say hero’s don’t kill but in certain cases that is exactly what a hero has to do in real life if a man with a gun is threatening to kill a child and a cop has a clear shot and shoots the man that does not make the cop a villain it make them some one who had the right opportunity looked at the situation and made a decision that was the best one to make
Maleficent doesn't seem a villain honestly. Snow and David were the cause her daughter was sent in the real world far from her and Maleficent never wanted revenge for that...
Lily is what changed her, becoming a mother she found love With her child, and stopped caring about the world and everyone else in it. Which is kind of weird because I feel like if I had a child I would have to protect it against the world and all the evil in it, but I guess if you have power like Maleficent David and snow shouldn’t have been able to succeed... but then again Maleficent did just give birth and is still vulnerable and recovering.
In Snow and David's defense the "Evil Author" used the magic author's pen to control them to send Magnificent s daughter. That was the reason the Author was imprisoned in the book.
It doesn't change the fact that they weren't ashamed of what they did. How they kidnapped a child and ruined Maleficent's and Lily's lives. I always hated both of them.
The author set them on the path but they still made the fi al decision and displayed no true regret for the harm they caused lily and maleficent which makes it worse they think because they are heros they should just be forgiven
Someone please explain how *exactly* this is Gold's fault? Of course, all those fucking hypocrites will be more than quick to blame Gold for this? It's not like forced Cruella to take Henry hostage. Like she said, not even Gold knew what she wanted.
Because their actions resulted in the cost of someone else’s entire childhood. Because of Snow and Charming’s upmost selfishness and stupidity, they FORCED another child to be an orphan. To grow up alone. Nobody knows what that’s like better than Emma. Furthermore, she’s angry towards snow because she’s already stated “and that light right there is EXACTLY why it was worth it.” And Charming agreed. They never showed any remorse or regret towards their actions because the truth is they don’t regret it. They don’t regret taking a child away from their mother, forcing it to grow up alone just because they were selfish and don’t think things through. I love snow sometimes, but her biggest fault is she doesn’t think. Her actions never effect her. She ever pays much consequences for them, but everyone else around her has to bare the consequences and pay them. When Daniel died, Regina had to pay them. Yes she was 10 so I don’t hold that against her. However, she was an adult when she made this decision to force another child to grow up alone. Their issues are, they contradict themselves. They tell those around them to make the right decisions, tell those around them not to be stupid and always be the hero’s, when in reality they were hypocrites and keeping the darkest issues they’ve committed inside because they don’t think about their actions. So Emma was angry at them for not thinking and making others pay the consequences for it.
@@HereMays I don’t mean this to come across rude at all; but that’s not at all the reason, they were guilty yes. Filled with guilt over their completely selfish actions. But they didn’t: and I will stand by this show ANY remorse or regret UNTIL late season 4 when they slowly realised how stupid and careless they were. There’s a number of scenes that prove this. The moment Mal enters the Cafe, where she explains that her daughter is alive, they’re in shock but don’t at all apologise, in fact Snow looks almost annoyed? Well not annoyed but I can’t think of the correct word. Then of course the scene just before Regina enters the apartment, the scene where Emma is angry and frustrated with her parents about the ideology of them RUINING an innocent child’s life, and how she would NEVER do that. To which snows response of course is “that’s why it was worth it.” word for word may I add. Do they EVENTUALLY regret it, yes I am sure. Do they show remorse EVENTUALLY yes. But do they regret or feel remorse at the beginning, no not UNTIL the end of season 4. They feel guilt. Not regret.
@@HereMays Again, that was prior to after they saw how “ good” and “pure”, in so called words their daughter Emma was. But after they realised the good within her, the good they’d TAKEN away from Mal’s daughter, they still believed it was worth it. They didn’t regret it AFTERWARDS for a decent amount of time in Season 4, my point is; IN season 4 ( modern times), they showed NO signs of remorse or regret, until they realised the damaged they caused. Did they regret it at FIRST, mmm, evidentially from that video, thank you by the way, because now it’s more evident that they DID regret at first, but when we hit how they see their daughter that they feel guilt at FIRST in modern season 4, not regret. I don’t deny the regret initially when they first sent her away, nor their progression towards releasing , and regret and remorse. However, in modern S4, they didn’t. And worse case scenario, it doesn’t justify what they did. Not that i’m saying you said that by the way! I just mean overall.
This show is getting so stupid. Some are justified with their actions, others aren't. I hate when writers suck you in with an awesome first couple seasons so that you're invested in the characters then everyone gets written out of character but you're still hoping you'll see the characters you love again.
Emma Charming Like for real, WHY is hook still here?? He throws in like 2 lines to try and sound smart. His "redemption" just makes him annoying. You should not get into a relationship with a creep thinking he'll change for you, that just does not happen. And you can trust someone who cursed everyone for their own gain and a pirate who treated women as objects over your own parents. Emma going dark, all Snow and Charming's fault, no matter what they do on this show they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Think about the messages you're sending out writers. Parents are blamed for everything in this world. Yes I'm sure there are some bad parents out there, but the majority of parents love their children and do their best with them that they know how.
I am pretty sure most parents who not do what Snow and David did to Emma, Lily and Maleficent, cause if you think about it thats altering destiny. Also Snow and Charming grew up sheltered in their childhood and probably never had a situation to make them think that not everything is black and white.
I love how in-tuned Killian is to Emma, that no matter what she is feeling or what is happening...he is right there for her instantly!!
Exactly
This shows that Emma has faith in Regina. She looks at Snow when talking about regret because she is angry but she still doesn't spare a glance at Regina so she doesn't see the darkness in her
I think Emma is more angry that they lied to her than what they did. I get that. I would be too. I mean, they get on her back about making good choices when they make bad ones and hide them.(worst mistake ever)
I know so hypocritical
because they want her to be better then they ever were, but I get what you're saying. I mean would you come right out of the blue and tell your kid that you were meant to be a villain ?
@@kammy925 not out of the blue, of course not. But over time I would. Even if they wanted her to be better, they need to respect that Emma is her own person, and ADULT, and can make her own decisions. Emma’s the only person who gets to decide how her life goes, not even her parents can decide that. If she was a child, of course they set out rules for her, but at the end of the day it’s her life.
@@DJ-wr1uo yea I get it, I mean they are human after all, they thought she wouldn't appreciate them anymore. That's every parents fear. But yes I definitely get what you're saying
@@kammy925 But still it’s the authors fault
Emma was more dark this season than she has been in season 5.
in the end of season 4
Sue was good in season five what was worg with it
Yeah it’s kinda true
She wasn’t consumed by darkness she was pretending
I know some people are saying that Emma should just get over what happened with her parents, but as well as it being an awful thing that, in theory, they have held back from her since she came to Storybrooke, part of the grudge is the darkness talking. When Regina was the Evil Queen, she held a grudge against Snow for years. She forgave Snow when she became good. Darkness is more than just committing dark acts, such as murder. It plays a large part in Emma's annoyance at her parents.
What I think Emma hates most is that they made Maleficent's child an orphan, just like they did to her. I know she forgave them for sending her away, but figuring out they did it a SECOND time to another baby, and they did it because the mother was a "villain" and heroes are supposed to be bigger than that.
People are saying Emma should get over what happened? Her parents put darkness in a baby and took her away from her mother. It's their fault Lily was an orphan. If you ask me, Emma was being too nice.
@@DetectiveJulie definitely
Emma: i think we'ave all done something that we regret..
You can see Emma anger towards her parents , snow is getting the most of it...
+franny fel Part of her anger is not only what they did to her (and Lily and Maleficent), but also from the fact that they're always riding her about making the right choice, yet hiding their own poor decisions.
Not to mention Snow and David only see the world in black and white.
In this season i kinda wanna strangle her...
Gogo gogo Pico fog fog focus cob
@@diggersam8865 Because the world is black & white it's that simple
Emma's reaction holy shit the friend I abadoned is malecifents daughter mindblown
1:32 Maleficent hit Emma right in the troubled childhood...
I love how good friends Regina and Maleficent are
Smartest villain on the show.
David, Mary Margaret, Henry, Regina, Hook and Emma they actually all done things they'd regret, like Regina killed so much innocent people just to get revenge on Snow, Mary Margaret and David almost killed Regina just because she threatened them and they kidnapped a baby and vanished her just so Emma can grow up not a villain, Emma gave up Henry for adoption just because she didn't want to be a mother and killed Cruella to save Henry, Henry left Regina for Emma because she tried to hurt the people he loved, Hook he took away Milah from Rumple, took away Ursula's singing voice and abandoned Baelfire "Neal" to Peter Pan!😐😐☺
THANK YOU FOR THIS! a lot of people are/are still/were debating on this and (now that I'm finally getting back into the show, even tho it ended lol) what I always loved about this show is it somehow showed all sides to all its characters and that they're all complex just like how in "real life" people are not one sided/black and white
Agree with most of this but pretty sure some of these details are wrong and misleading. Emma giving up Henry was to give him his best chance. She was going to jail. Hook didn’t actively chase down Mila just to hurt Rumple; Mila abandoned Rumple and their son because she thought Rumple was too weak and she wanted adventure, even if that meant leaving her son behind.
Yes I agree apart from the Emma situation. Don’t throttle me but she doesn’t regret it. He grew up to be a good kid. Without her for 10 years returning later was completely fine. But if she kept him it wouldn’t be the same. So so I truly think she regrets giving him up. No but I agree with rest.
Why does everyone harp on Minnesota?
I mean Siri gets dark at like 4 o’clock in the afternoon in the winter which also can last till about April not very warm most of the year. Rains about every other month at least three times we get a couple of tornadoes every now and then.
Wait where was I going with this?
I love how in the scene when snow realizes that lily is alive and snow didn’t kill the child she gets a look like she’s annoyed she didn’t get the job done rather than omg I didn’t kill her kid! Really shows how evil snow truly was!
Emily Hess I know I hate her
She didn’t look like that at all
You’re just reaching
No, she didn't look like that all. Why are you trying to vilify her?
The f is wrong with you lol
1:00
I can hear the regret in her voice
I don’t understand why other people don’t
Then what is darkness to Emma??? Regret can eat away at us & make us lose our minds. Some people live their lives with regret to the point they forget to live. I think Emma is still blaming her mother for the bad choices she made because Emma, as the savior, has to fix her mistakes. I think in Emma's mind, she wants to believe this shouldn't have happened, if Snow made the right choice, then it wouldn't have amounted to all this loss, tragedy, one bad choice after another, stolen childhoods, broken families, etc. I think Emma hasn't fully embraced being the savior, she still seems like the reluctant hero. The responsibility of it may be too much for her. I can also see Emma is still stuck in the past, her wounds have not fully healed or else she wouldn't have snapped at her mother.
Nikka Rose honestly I never really understood the show moral logic that if you do something even if it's necessary you are automatically dark and a villain. It's like getting angry even if it's justified would make Emma dark despite she has every right to be angry. The whole darkness and evil being the same thing got a little ridiculous.
Samantha Burkediggersam88 I totally agree with you they constantly say hero’s don’t kill but in certain cases that is exactly what a hero has to do in real life if a man with a gun is threatening to kill a child and a cop has a clear shot and shoots the man that does not make the cop a villain it make them some one who had the right opportunity looked at the situation and made a decision that was the best one to make
Maleficent doesn't seem a villain honestly. Snow and David were the cause her daughter was sent in the real world far from her and Maleficent never wanted revenge for that...
Lily is what changed her, becoming a mother she found love With her child, and stopped caring about the world and everyone else in it.
Which is kind of weird because I feel like if I had a child I would have to protect it against the world and all the evil in it, but I guess if you have power like Maleficent David and snow shouldn’t have been able to succeed... but then again Maleficent did just give birth and is still vulnerable and recovering.
You're forgetting Henry's name lmao and Hook
The Dark One wow you have some explaining to do Gold
Maleficent , Mal can help you just ask her
Mal: Lilly is alive
Emma: what mom Ty goes to find Lilly
What?
In Snow and David's defense the "Evil Author" used the magic author's pen to control them to send Magnificent s daughter. That was the reason the Author was imprisoned in the book.
It doesn't change the fact that they weren't ashamed of what they did. How they kidnapped a child and ruined Maleficent's and Lily's lives. I always hated both of them.
@@juliemcintyre428 me too
@@juliemcintyre428 they were
@@juliemcintyre428 They were ashamed! Very!
The author set them on the path but they still made the fi al decision and displayed no true regret for the harm they caused lily and maleficent which makes it worse they think because they are heros they should just be forgiven
Someone please explain how *exactly* this is Gold's fault? Of course, all those fucking hypocrites will be more than quick to blame Gold for this? It's not like forced Cruella to take Henry hostage. Like she said, not even Gold knew what she wanted.
Now Emma knows lily is maleficent's daughter and her childhood Friend
Maleficent should have been emma’s mother
Jennifer Morrison Family Maleficent Join Them
What person is this photo from I don't know who she is from which fairytale🙂🙂🙂
Maleficient
Why is Emma's skin so blotchy and gray?
+Natasha Gable Because the darkness is awakening in her.
Viktor Olsson
Why she being so harsh to her parents?
Because of what they did to lilith when she was a baby
Because their actions resulted in the cost of someone else’s entire childhood. Because of Snow and Charming’s upmost selfishness and stupidity, they FORCED another child to be an orphan. To grow up alone. Nobody knows what that’s like better than Emma. Furthermore, she’s angry towards snow because she’s already stated “and that light right there is EXACTLY why it was worth it.” And Charming agreed. They never showed any remorse or regret towards their actions because the truth is they don’t regret it. They don’t regret taking a child away from their mother, forcing it to grow up alone just because they were selfish and don’t think things through. I love snow sometimes, but her biggest fault is she doesn’t think.
Her actions never effect her. She ever pays much consequences for them, but everyone else around her has to bare the consequences and pay them. When Daniel died, Regina had to pay them. Yes she was 10 so I don’t hold that against her. However, she was an adult when she made this decision to force another child to grow up alone. Their issues are, they contradict themselves. They tell those around them to make the right decisions, tell those around them not to be stupid and always be the hero’s, when in reality they were hypocrites and keeping the darkest issues they’ve committed inside because they don’t think about their actions. So Emma was angry at them for not thinking and making others pay the consequences for it.
@@HereMays NOW they might do. After Season 4. But at the time throughout season 4, there was no remorse nor regret.
@@HereMays I don’t mean this to come across rude at all; but that’s not at all the reason, they were guilty yes. Filled with guilt over their completely selfish actions. But they didn’t: and I will stand by this show ANY remorse or regret UNTIL late season 4 when they slowly realised how stupid and careless they were. There’s a number of scenes that prove this. The moment Mal enters the Cafe, where she explains that her daughter is alive, they’re in shock but don’t at all apologise, in fact Snow looks almost annoyed? Well not annoyed but I can’t think of the correct word. Then of course the scene just before Regina enters the apartment, the scene where Emma is angry and frustrated with her parents about the ideology of them RUINING an innocent child’s life, and how she would NEVER do that. To which snows response of course is “that’s why it was worth it.” word for word may I add. Do they EVENTUALLY regret it, yes I am sure. Do they show remorse EVENTUALLY yes. But do they regret or feel remorse at the beginning, no not UNTIL the end of season 4. They feel guilt. Not regret.
@@HereMays Again, that was prior to after they saw how “ good” and “pure”, in so called words their daughter Emma was. But after they realised the good within her, the good they’d TAKEN away from Mal’s daughter, they still believed it was worth it. They didn’t regret it AFTERWARDS for a decent amount of time in Season 4, my point is; IN season 4 ( modern times), they showed NO signs of remorse or regret, until they realised the damaged they caused. Did they regret it at FIRST, mmm, evidentially from that video, thank you by the way, because now it’s more evident that they DID regret at first, but when we hit how they see their daughter that they feel guilt at FIRST in modern season 4, not regret. I don’t deny the regret initially when they first sent her away, nor their progression towards releasing , and regret and remorse. However, in modern S4, they didn’t. And worse case scenario, it doesn’t justify what they did. Not that i’m saying you said that by the way! I just mean overall.
I do wish she had a son
This show is getting so stupid. Some are justified with their actions, others aren't. I hate when writers suck you in with an awesome first couple seasons so that you're invested in the characters then everyone gets written out of character but you're still hoping you'll see the characters you love again.
Emma Charming Like for real, WHY is hook still here?? He throws in like 2 lines to try and sound smart. His "redemption" just makes him annoying. You should not get into a relationship with a creep thinking he'll change for you, that just does not happen. And you can trust someone who cursed everyone for their own gain and a pirate who treated women as objects over your own parents. Emma going dark, all Snow and Charming's fault, no matter what they do on this show they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Think about the messages you're sending out writers. Parents are blamed for everything in this world. Yes I'm sure there are some bad parents out there, but the majority of parents love their children and do their best with them that they know how.
I am pretty sure most parents who not do what Snow and David did to Emma, Lily and Maleficent, cause if you think about it thats altering destiny. Also Snow and Charming grew up sheltered in their childhood and probably never had a situation to make them think that not everything is black and white.