Rimpoche, when you are teaching this, I suggest that you use the story of the burning house and the father with his five sons. That is a great example of expedience that everyone can understand. Besides, it was translated into English a long time ago and is in the books we study at college. So its a foundational story that lots of people know already.
🙏, Shastang Dandavat, Tashidelek, Rinpoche La kyap suchi, cho la kyap suchi, gendun la kyap suchi, sanghe la kyap suchi on the auspicious Guru Purnima, kindly ensure me to achieve enlightenment.
So, a teaching is expedient if it leads to ultimate truth. But I don't really understand the points about reincarnation. In the absolute level, there is no reincarnation. But does this mean that reincarnation does not conventionally happen? When we talk about the absolute level, we talk about the emptiness underlying phenomena, right? So reincarnation does not independently exist, as a separate entity, is this what is meant by reincarnation not existing? I'd like to intellectually clarify this point, so thanks to anyone who can give a reply. :)
I have been struggling a bit with this concept too. Even though Samsara is emptiness appearing as form, the scientific method dominates here, since Samsara is non-deceitful and mechanically predictable. It seems like reincarnation doesn't even work in the dream-logic of Samsara. It seems like it's just a teaching and doesn't manifest outside the mind. Like how children are told that babies are delivered in the middle of the night by storks. It fits the facts, babies do show up suddenly, but no stork ever flew in a baby in Samsara outside the human imagination. Here is my own version of how reincarnation might work in our collective dream world. We all, in a way, play characters made of traits that can be aggregated, catalogued, and understood. Meaning we play empty people appearing as form. Our bodymindego doesn't actually exist, so it can function by fictional character rules. Assuming awakened people simply break character and put it aside, it is mathematically possible that someone else will play the exact same kind of character, with the same aggregate traits. By Samsara rules, that fits the criteria for reincarnation, since no one awakened reincarnates (no character to play), and we only know reincarnated persons, allegedly, by Samsaric qualities carrying over. Of course, that also means you might be reincarnated right now in someone else playing the exact same character, so maths rules don't really fit how reincarnation is sold to us. In my ridiculous opinion, reincarnation is either like an old Star Trek character getting a new actor for a reboot, or it's made up to explain something else unrelated, like giant birds delivering babies. That's the best I got.
Reincarnation is part of the illusion, so from the ultimate level it is simply part of the expression of "physical" existence, so you could say it's "not real". But from a relative view, just like you have a body that exists, rebirth also exists as it is merely the karmic inertia of what happens after your previous body is no longer usable. From the ultimate view, there are no separate beings thus no reincarnation, it's all semantic dependent on what you are talking about (samsara vs emptiness vs the unification of the two)
Make of this statement as you like considering it shouldn’t make you stop in your path to ultimate truth which is beyond Nirvana, a state that embraces middle way, to be just as you are without duality in thoughts, exist in pure bliss. Buddha even said Nirvana is like delusion, what more answer you need for reincarnation ? Reincarnation serves purpose for some people. Clinging to its righteousness is also a fool wanting to carry the boat after it serves its purpose.
when you talk to a child what is impt is that the child gain understanding not confusion. buddha didnt lie but tailored the explanation that allow the person to move towards the profound truth. just like why we need to go from primary to tertiary level of definition. instead many ignorant believers take it literally that lying is ok if you have good intention or the person act according to practice in form. what is impt is a person mindset change towards gaining enlightenment or buddha mindset and wisdom
Let go of the feeling that you need to share your teachings. Only then will the mind slow down and distribute what is important. I don't know, maybe how you communicate is important at this time. It does feel like you are bouncing off walls, however.
It may feel that way to some but not others. He's not speaking from an already prepared outline like one's high school or university professor might be. He's perhaps being more fluid than that. On the other hand, for some the more structured outline approach works. So find a teacher who teaches that way, but don't assume the way that doesn't work for you isn't a helpful teaching for someone else.
In my wrong opinion, as a joke ...Ultimately, it's very easy for a Buddhist to believe in reincarnation, past lives and future lives, because they don't really believe in this life being ultimately real. Since we don't believe that this life is ultimately real, then it's easy to believe in past lives appearing, and future lives appearing, because this life is appearing too.
Why should stating "all compounded things are impermanent" assert that something becomes impermanent? If i have an illusion about anything, neither my illusion nor its refutation change that anything in the slightest. I don't get the "danger" point here at all. Please elucidate.
The fact that Buddha himself stated that"all compounded phenomena are impermanent" is because it is the ultimate truth and he investigated upon it logically. You also know this,for ex: birth and death etc. Right? But just simply without investigation or logical reasoning if you state this statement then it will not assert that something becomes impermanent. For ex: if say "I am a superman" so it doesn't asserts that I become superman right? ...does this explains idlf not then I am sorry for my poor explanation..🙏
@@sherabwangchug3322 If you state that "all compounded things are impermanent" is the absolute truth, you are in direct contradiction to DKRs words (please listen again). It seems to me that you didn't quite get my question... Reconsidering what he means with "danger" i assume by now he means the possible misunderstanding that "things" or their "compounds" or their "compositions" are either judged as somewhat "real" or can and should be somehow anihilated by logic / reasoning, thereby annihilating their appearance (along with their way of influencing us) in a "real" nothingness. Further comments or clarification highly appreciated.
Things are impermanent. That’s a relative teaching, because ultimate would be more like “impermanent is permanent”. But people can’t comprehend ultimate without first learning about relative, meaning we need to grasp the idea of impermanence of all phenomena to then be able to grasp that impermanent mean permanent.
I think the danger is in mixing relative and absolute truths. Impermenance already implies time and relativity. In the absolute truth, concepts don't exist. It's important to understand that even when we speak of the absolute truth, we are still using words and concepts which still lie on the relative experience. DKR talks of 4 common misunderstanding we tend to have regarding the relative and absolute truths.
11:35 reincarnation does not exist. Same dilemma as karma in a different way. From emptyness reincarnation is a long way from energy formation. Yet within these limitations it does exist. A Thai monk and I had to face the truth of reincarnation when I was a child. I already knew how to do everything. Caucasian Born in the US with no Buddhist teaching. Back in the 70s. Are the current growing extremes of samsara/suffering a requirement to achieve compassion? Debatable.
You are destroying pure budfhism.You even dont practice precepts .How can you take dinner and meditate .The only thing you can do is sleep after having dinner .You must have been used to destroy buddhism by some oother party.Seela samadi pranna is the onlu way to nibbana that is the highest happiness .
@@Peedee773 Not to critisize but to correct some ideas that are very bad to buddhism .We couldnt bear if someone harming to our religion .But buddhism is to practice and see the final result not to argue .Anyway I am very sorry if my comment caused any trouble to you.🙏🙏🙏
If you fall asleep after eating it's mostly because there aren't enough digestive enzymes so you must help your system . I think he is more advanced than we can see. Love to you X☮️
Take dinner and meditate means you are being aware of it ...there is presence of awareness in you while eating...and once again being aware and complete aware are different things...👍
仁波切的教法犀利、直接、幽默，真是讓人聽了法喜又讚嘆！！！！！！！
You take the teachings apart so beautifully - it's a delight to listen to you
thank you i am very grateful♡♡♡
You are really great Rinpoche ❤🙏
谢谢🙏，非常接近原意的翻译。愿一切有情众生皆听听闻佛法🙏🙏🙏
Rationalism is the relationship between the Objects occurring in the phenomenon.
Great editing job, thank you 🙏🏽
Thankyou now i am understanding the teaching of your rimpoche lil bit
Thank you
Like osho “ my whole job is to confuse you” yet there is a complete beauty in it.
Freedom to you X☮️
But Osho was a liar😅
@@yin_xing how do you prove??
@johnpow2378 it's not me to prove anything, just search for it. And search what real buddhist monks say about him. Then you will find.
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Spirituality is not about facts
I miss Rinpoche's pauses and gaps
Rimpoche, when you are teaching this, I suggest that you use the story of the burning house and the father with his five sons. That is a great example of expedience that everyone can understand. Besides, it was translated into English a long time ago and is in the books we study at college. So its a foundational story that lots of people know already.
Very good
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🙏, Shastang Dandavat, Tashidelek, Rinpoche La kyap suchi, cho la kyap suchi, gendun la kyap suchi, sanghe la kyap suchi on the auspicious Guru Purnima, kindly ensure me to achieve enlightenment.
So, a teaching is expedient if it leads to ultimate truth. But I don't really understand the points about reincarnation. In the absolute level, there is no reincarnation. But does this mean that reincarnation does not conventionally happen? When we talk about the absolute level, we talk about the emptiness underlying phenomena, right? So reincarnation does not independently exist, as a separate entity, is this what is meant by reincarnation not existing?
I'd like to intellectually clarify this point, so thanks to anyone who can give a reply. :)
I have been struggling a bit with this concept too. Even though Samsara is emptiness appearing as form, the scientific method dominates here, since Samsara is non-deceitful and mechanically predictable. It seems like reincarnation doesn't even work in the dream-logic of Samsara. It seems like it's just a teaching and doesn't manifest outside the mind. Like how children are told that babies are delivered in the middle of the night by storks. It fits the facts, babies do show up suddenly, but no stork ever flew in a baby in Samsara outside the human imagination.
Here is my own version of how reincarnation might work in our collective dream world. We all, in a way, play characters made of traits that can be aggregated, catalogued, and understood. Meaning we play empty people appearing as form. Our bodymindego doesn't actually exist, so it can function by fictional character rules. Assuming awakened people simply break character and put it aside, it is mathematically possible that someone else will play the exact same kind of character, with the same aggregate traits. By Samsara rules, that fits the criteria for reincarnation, since no one awakened reincarnates (no character to play), and we only know reincarnated persons, allegedly, by Samsaric qualities carrying over. Of course, that also means you might be reincarnated right now in someone else playing the exact same character, so maths rules don't really fit how reincarnation is sold to us.
In my ridiculous opinion, reincarnation is either like an old Star Trek character getting a new actor for a reboot, or it's made up to explain something else unrelated, like giant birds delivering babies.
That's the best I got.
@@igottwohats7994 thanks for your elaborate reply :)
Reincarnation is part of the illusion, so from the ultimate level it is simply part of the expression of "physical" existence, so you could say it's "not real". But from a relative view, just like you have a body that exists, rebirth also exists as it is merely the karmic inertia of what happens after your previous body is no longer usable. From the ultimate view, there are no separate beings thus no reincarnation, it's all semantic dependent on what you are talking about (samsara vs emptiness vs the unification of the two)
Make of this statement as you like considering it shouldn’t make you stop in your path to ultimate truth which is beyond Nirvana, a state that embraces middle way, to be just as you are without duality in thoughts, exist in pure bliss. Buddha even said Nirvana is like delusion, what more answer you need for reincarnation ? Reincarnation serves purpose for some people. Clinging to its righteousness is also a fool wanting to carry the boat after it serves its purpose.
There is no inherent existence , it does not exist from its own side , co-creation also non inherent , known by label . X. ☮️
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when you talk to a child what is impt is that the child gain understanding not confusion. buddha didnt lie but tailored the explanation that allow the person to move towards the profound truth. just like why we need to go from primary to tertiary level of definition. instead many ignorant believers take it literally that lying is ok if you have good intention or the person act according to practice in form. what is impt is a person mindset change towards gaining enlightenment or buddha mindset and wisdom
Expedient means are like teaching kids about Santa Clause so that they behave, and later they learn about morality.
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Let go of the feeling that you need to share your teachings. Only then will the mind slow down and distribute what is important.
I don't know, maybe how you communicate is important at this time. It does feel like you are bouncing off walls, however.
It may feel that way to some but not others. He's not speaking from an already prepared outline like one's high school or university professor might be. He's perhaps being more fluid than that. On the other hand, for some the more structured outline approach works. So find a teacher who teaches that way, but don't assume the way that doesn't work for you isn't a helpful teaching for someone else.
Hanh talks about re-birth in his book no birth no dearh
In my wrong opinion, as a joke ...Ultimately, it's very easy for a Buddhist to believe in reincarnation, past lives and future lives, because they don't really believe in this life being ultimately real. Since we don't believe that this life is ultimately real, then it's easy to believe in past lives appearing, and future lives appearing, because this life is appearing too.
Why should stating "all compounded things are impermanent" assert that something becomes impermanent?
If i have an illusion about anything, neither my illusion nor its refutation change that anything in the slightest.
I don't get the "danger" point here at all.
Please elucidate.
The fact that Buddha himself stated that"all compounded phenomena are impermanent" is because it is the ultimate truth and he investigated upon it logically. You also know this,for ex: birth and death etc. Right? But just simply without investigation or logical reasoning if you state this statement then it will not assert that something becomes impermanent. For ex: if say "I am a superman" so it doesn't asserts that I become superman right? ...does this explains idlf not then I am sorry for my poor explanation..🙏
@@sherabwangchug3322 If you state that "all compounded things are impermanent" is the absolute truth, you are in direct contradiction to DKRs words (please listen again).
It seems to me that you didn't quite get my question...
Reconsidering what he means with "danger" i assume by now he means the possible misunderstanding that "things" or their "compounds" or their "compositions" are either judged as somewhat "real" or can and should be somehow anihilated by logic / reasoning, thereby annihilating their appearance (along with their way of influencing us) in a "real" nothingness.
Further comments or clarification highly appreciated.
Things are impermanent. That’s a relative teaching, because ultimate would be more like “impermanent is permanent”.
But people can’t comprehend ultimate without first learning about relative, meaning we need to grasp the idea of impermanence of all phenomena to then be able to grasp that impermanent mean permanent.
It’s dangerous to confuse relative to ultimate
I think the danger is in mixing relative and absolute truths.
Impermenance already implies time and relativity. In the absolute truth, concepts don't exist. It's important to understand that even when we speak of the absolute truth, we are still using words and concepts which still lie on the relative experience. DKR talks of 4 common misunderstanding we tend to have regarding the relative and absolute truths.
11:35 reincarnation does not exist. Same dilemma as karma in a different way.
From emptyness reincarnation is a long way from energy formation. Yet within these limitations it does exist. A Thai monk and I had to face the truth of reincarnation when I was a child. I already knew how to do everything. Caucasian Born in the US with no Buddhist teaching. Back in the 70s.
Are the current growing extremes of samsara/suffering a requirement to achieve compassion? Debatable.
You are destroying pure budfhism.You even dont practice precepts .How can you take dinner and meditate .The only thing you can do is sleep after having dinner .You must have been used to destroy buddhism by some oother party.Seela samadi pranna is the onlu way to nibbana that is the highest happiness .
A being who have shel,samadhi n panna will not criticize.
@@Peedee773 A Buddha will utilize constructive criticism if it is necessary.
@@Peedee773 Not to critisize but to correct some ideas that are very bad to buddhism .We couldnt bear if someone harming to our religion .But buddhism is to practice and see the final result not to argue .Anyway I am very sorry if my comment caused any trouble to you.🙏🙏🙏
If you fall asleep after eating it's mostly because there aren't enough digestive enzymes so you must help your system . I think he is more advanced than we can see. Love to you X☮️
Take dinner and meditate means you are being aware of it ...there is presence of awareness in you while eating...and once again being aware and complete aware are different things...👍
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