the more i've ridden the more i think im getting better at the 'Achieve' part, especially when on narrow lanes with ridiculously slow moving drivers in front. if i know my turn off is in a mile or two i just hang back and think what's the point in stressing trying to get past when i'm turning off anyway (they always seem to take the same though lol). maybe slap needs a double p, the second for patience haha.
I always try to follow the principle of doing my thing on a bike while respecting other users of the road. I would hope the perception is that I am a good rider. Maybe a bit spicy for some, and not always legal but they know that I know what I am doing sort of thing.
People have a different perception of acheivement too, not just safety. Example: some folk think they are acheiving something by moving quicker towards the back of a queue or overtaking a car that is already signalling to turn off. I tend to drive less frantically yet always remain alongside these folk in the queue ahead. While neither is technically wrong, asuming you drive/ride within the law, one is unnecessary and can lead to additional risk if you get carried away. Calm, perceptive driving is a skill that needs to be encouraged.
Nice video. Never taught that little phrase. An easy one to remember & make you think twice. I’ve started going through your videos again while I have time on my hands away. I think I would like to do my IAM with you at some point. Can you link me details to contact you for this. Many thanks again.
Past my bike test in 86 aged 17 on my yamaha RS 100 wearing an open face crash helmet that was too big for me and painted black with smoothrite, i had to ride around the block without falling off, i was asked to identify some road signs in a book and i only got a couple correct, examiner said don't worry you'll pick them up as you go im pleased to tell you you've passed. 😉😂❤️
Whilst I can appreciate that many advanced riders took there test many years go things have changed but have they changed with them. At no time should one exceed the speed limit. That has bedcome4 so since the mid 60's when speed limits were introduced outside of towns on country road and some are now a maximum of 60 or 70 mph. and some even less. So we should no longer exceed those limits. About wrong siding. that may have been more prevalent before the speed limit changes as one could ride at 120 mph. if one's vehicle allowed and there would be some advantage in using the whole of the road whilst riding faster. However we are as advanced drivers the same as any normal police officers on normal duties. All advanced training is historically taken from a Road Police Training Manual dating back to 1937. So any training such as advanced commences from that time and manual and so Police Roadcraft will take one through the practises and procedures in order to obtain the same knowledge and skill as a class 3 police driver . A class 3 qualification and not allowed one to speed for any reason, no horns or bells or flashing lights etc. Only class 2 or class 1 drivers can exceed speed limits and class 1 is to whatever speed is necessary and the vehicle can do it so if the police car can do 165 mph then trained class 1 officer, say in pursuit, can do just that and use sirens and lights and also has an allowance in statute law to speed and go though red lights and the wrong side of central bollards etc. We as civilians are restricted to the speed limits are advanced to equal class 3 and thus have little or rather no need to speed or wrong side etc. So as civilians it would be wrong for any training body to give us training, say at speeds in excess of the speed limit and as there is nothing to train to in Roadcraft we should not be looking at wrong siding or overtaking on bends etc. That and similar specialist training will and can only be done under authority and be for some police officers and emergency service persons, armed forces, special forces, securities etc and other recognised persons. Such training to class 2 and 1 should not be available to normal members of the public.
Nice bit of what I would call police standard riding., Keeping well within the speed limit, doing only 40 mph in a 50 area at times and always giving safe distance. In this video and doing about 40 mph and giving at least five hazards lines worth of safe stopping or following on distance, being some 150 ft behind the transit type van. That is good safe riding as it should be and not like some idiots that teach or show us to always be doing the max, up to the speed limit or 60 mph whichever and as a result always having an increased and unnecessary need to overtake everything that we catch up with drivers that are going at slightly slower speeds than ourselves.
Ha! A long moderate hill, two lanes merging into one and 40 mph speed limit. Roundabout at the top. If I had a £ for every 40 mph + driver that has shot past me doing 40 mph, only to have to barge into a line of traffic at the merging point of the two lanes at the hill top, I would be very rich. Safe?..no legal?..no.. etc: 😊
near where i live there's a road with 2 lanes, one for straight on/left turn, the right lane for right only into the airport, and every single time i drive down it observing the speed limit theres always idiots that use the right lane to overtake and then have to barge in as the tight roundabout approaches, rarely with indicators either. the few seconds they try to save is ridiculous, but thankfully as i know that stretch well (as you do yours), you can spot 'em early even in the rear view mirror. GL
I've always taken A as standing for Advantage. Is the manoeuvre to your advantage? In other words is there any point doing it? For example Roadcraft talks about positioning for advantage.
It’s a good question. I guess you could use either. As it relates to influencing a decision, I like to use achieve def. “successfully bring about or reach (a desired objective or result) by effort, skill, or courage.” Advantage def. “a condition or circumstance that puts one in a favourable or superior position.” You are correct about the word advantage in relation to road positioning. SLAP really relates to a riders decision making. Interesting to consider either way. All the best
I’ll tell you who does need a slap. The four idiots on bikes last night, who overtook myself and a following car. All of them probably doing over a ton; on a 50mph limit, single carriageway. The guy at the back (and possibly the least experienced rider), nearly lost it, attempting to keep up.
As a trainee Observer with my local IAM group, I used SLAP the other day when discussing some "keen" filtering with an associate, I was a bit nervous as I was being assessed and got to "A" and the word just went from my mind, so I said "lets just say is it too adventurous " 🤔🤣 it then came to me... they got the point. Useful videos keep them coming thank you.
thank you, good improvisation, but as you say, they got the point, and that's what's needed. Good luck on the observer development, hope all goes well.
Always learn a lot from your videos. Thanks! I've got a mate who's a new rider and I want to show him your channel because already he has begun to ride in a manner that I am concerned about. As a 40 plus guy with no previous road experience other than cycling he tends to speed and take chances and I really want him to adopt the attitude of safety rather than being pointlessly risky. Ive said the thing about what you look like to other road users to him, if you look like a knob, it's because you're being one, so knock it off. 😂🙂👍
@techtinkerin thank you for your comments. i do hope your mate can moderate how he rides, sounds like you are good grounding influence for him, i hope heeds the advice and stays safe, all the best
I just watched a shocking biking video of a group of bikers riding in the UK taking huge risks on bends, totally the wrong lines and hence road terrible road positioning putting themselves and other road users in a lot of danger by riding pretty much over and indeed crossing single and double solid white central road lines to get around bends as they could not properly ride their high powered bikes by leaning their bikes or using counter steer, putting themselves at a very high risk of colliding with on coming traffic, riding at insane speeds way beyond their biking capabilities, basically accidents waiting to happen.
since i've been a serious biker i've generally been impressed at the standard of most riders, who hang back, observe speed limits, show courtesy on the road, wear proper gear etc, so i hate to see the idiots you describe on the road too. I commented on a thread a few months or so ago about how we call 'em organ donors round here, but one guy pointed out that too often the organs will be damaged beyond viability, a sobering thought i suppose. GL
I was always taught A for Advantage, but I think Achieve conveys the idea a bit better.
Always working SLAP.
the more i've ridden the more i think im getting better at the 'Achieve' part, especially when on narrow lanes with ridiculously slow moving drivers in front. if i know my turn off is in a mile or two i just hang back and think what's the point in stressing trying to get past when i'm turning off anyway (they always seem to take the same though lol). maybe slap needs a double p, the second for patience haha.
And a third P: "be Predictive"!
Now that's a clickbait title I 100% agree with 👍
Not heard of that before, thank you
Good advice, thank you.
I always try to follow the principle of doing my thing on a bike while respecting other users of the road. I would hope the perception is that I am a good rider. Maybe a bit spicy for some, and not always legal but they know that I know what I am doing sort of thing.
People have a different perception of acheivement too, not just safety. Example: some folk think they are acheiving something by moving quicker towards the back of a queue or overtaking a car that is already signalling to turn off. I tend to drive less frantically yet always remain alongside these folk in the queue ahead. While neither is technically wrong, asuming you drive/ride within the law, one is unnecessary and can lead to additional risk if you get carried away. Calm, perceptive driving is a skill that needs to be encouraged.
Nice video. Never taught that little phrase. An easy one to remember & make you think twice. I’ve started going through your videos again while I have time on my hands away. I think I would like to do my IAM with you at some point. Can you link me details to contact you for this. Many thanks again.
Hi thank you. You can contact me via motorcyclepwr at gmail dot com
Past my bike test in 86 aged 17 on my yamaha RS 100 wearing an open face crash helmet that was too big for me and painted black with smoothrite, i had to ride around the block without falling off, i was asked to identify some road signs in a book and i only got a couple correct, examiner said don't worry you'll pick them up as you go im pleased to tell you you've passed. 😉😂❤️
Same here, the instructor was on foot they stood on the corner, I rode round the block a few times and passed my test so simple that was in 87.
Whilst I can appreciate that many advanced riders took there test many years go things have changed but have they changed with them. At no time should one exceed the speed limit. That has bedcome4 so since the mid 60's when speed limits were introduced outside of towns on country road and some are now a maximum of 60 or 70 mph. and some even less.
So we should no longer exceed those limits. About wrong siding. that may have been more prevalent before the speed limit changes as one could ride at 120 mph. if one's vehicle allowed and there would be some advantage in using the whole of the road whilst riding faster.
However we are as advanced drivers the same as any normal police officers on normal duties. All advanced training is historically taken from a Road Police Training Manual dating back to 1937. So any training such as advanced commences from that time and manual and so Police Roadcraft will take one through the practises and procedures in order to obtain the same knowledge and skill as a class 3 police driver . A class 3 qualification and not allowed one to speed for any reason, no horns or bells or flashing lights etc. Only class 2 or class 1 drivers can exceed speed limits and class 1 is to whatever speed is necessary and the vehicle can do it so if the police car can do 165 mph then trained class 1 officer, say in pursuit, can do just that and use sirens and lights and also has an allowance in statute law to speed and go though red lights and the wrong side of central bollards etc.
We as civilians are restricted to the speed limits are advanced to equal class 3 and thus have little or rather no need to speed or wrong side etc.
So as civilians it would be wrong for any training body to give us training, say at speeds in excess of the speed limit and as there is nothing to train to in Roadcraft we should not be looking at wrong siding or overtaking on bends etc. That and similar specialist training will and can only be done under authority and be for some police officers and emergency service persons, armed forces, special forces, securities etc and other recognised persons. Such training to class 2 and 1 should not be available to normal members of the public.
Nice bit of what I would call police standard riding., Keeping well within the speed limit, doing only 40 mph in a 50 area at times and always giving safe distance. In this video and doing about 40 mph and giving at least five hazards lines worth of safe stopping or following on distance, being some 150 ft behind the transit type van.
That is good safe riding as it should be and not like some idiots that teach or show us to always be doing the max, up to the speed limit or 60 mph whichever and as a result always having an increased and unnecessary need to overtake everything that we catch up with drivers that are going at slightly slower speeds than ourselves.
Ha! A long moderate hill, two lanes merging into one and 40 mph speed limit. Roundabout at the top. If I had a £ for every 40 mph + driver that has shot past me doing 40 mph, only to have to barge into a line of traffic at the merging point of the two lanes at the hill top, I would be very rich.
Safe?..no legal?..no.. etc: 😊
near where i live there's a road with 2 lanes, one for straight on/left turn, the right lane for right only into the airport, and every single time i drive down it observing the speed limit theres always idiots that use the right lane to overtake and then have to barge in as the tight roundabout approaches, rarely with indicators either. the few seconds they try to save is ridiculous, but thankfully as i know that stretch well (as you do yours), you can spot 'em early even in the rear view mirror. GL
I've always taken A as standing for Advantage. Is the manoeuvre to your advantage? In other words is there any point doing it? For example Roadcraft talks about positioning for advantage.
It’s a good question. I guess you could use either. As it relates to influencing a decision, I like to use achieve def. “successfully bring about or reach (a desired objective or result) by effort, skill, or courage.”
Advantage def. “a condition or circumstance that puts one in a favourable or superior position.”
You are correct about the word advantage in relation to road positioning. SLAP really relates to a riders decision making. Interesting to consider either way. All the best
I’m sure IAM refer to Advantageous too.
What if your a masochist 😅
😂 absolutely!
I’ll tell you who does need a slap. The four idiots on bikes last night, who overtook myself and a following car. All of them probably doing over a ton; on a 50mph limit, single carriageway. The guy at the back (and possibly the least experienced rider), nearly lost it, attempting to keep up.
@SBKPete i think you are right, sadly we see too much of it don't we? Thanks for the comment, all the best
Ye know what? I probably do 😅
Haha that comment didn’t last long 😂
Very good.
Never knew ther was term for what it was i been tryin to do while out riding.
Thanks for that
As a trainee Observer with my local IAM group, I used SLAP the other day when discussing some "keen" filtering with an associate, I was a bit nervous as I was being assessed and got to "A" and the word just went from my mind, so I said "lets just say is it too adventurous " 🤔🤣 it then came to me... they got the point. Useful videos keep them coming thank you.
thank you, good improvisation, but as you say, they got the point, and that's what's needed. Good luck on the observer development, hope all goes well.
Always learn a lot from your videos. Thanks! I've got a mate who's a new rider and I want to show him your channel because already he has begun to ride in a manner that I am concerned about. As a 40 plus guy with no previous road experience other than cycling he tends to speed and take chances and I really want him to adopt the attitude of safety rather than being pointlessly risky. Ive said the thing about what you look like to other road users to him, if you look like a knob, it's because you're being one, so knock it off. 😂🙂👍
@techtinkerin thank you for your comments. i do hope your mate can moderate how he rides, sounds like you are good grounding influence for him, i hope heeds the advice and stays safe, all the best
I just watched a shocking biking video of a group of bikers riding in the UK taking huge risks on bends, totally the wrong lines and hence road terrible road positioning putting themselves and other road users in a lot of danger by riding pretty much over and indeed crossing single and double solid white central road lines to get around bends as they could not properly ride their high powered bikes by leaning their bikes or using counter steer, putting themselves at a very high risk of colliding with on coming traffic, riding at insane speeds way beyond their biking capabilities, basically accidents waiting to happen.
since i've been a serious biker i've generally been impressed at the standard of most riders, who hang back, observe speed limits, show courtesy on the road, wear proper gear etc, so i hate to see the idiots you describe on the road too. I commented on a thread a few months or so ago about how we call 'em organ donors round here, but one guy pointed out that too often the organs will be damaged beyond viability, a sobering thought i suppose. GL
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