He definitely has got some talent.... I think the lights and cameras impacted him enough to throw him off his game. Plus, rolling against Darren has quite a bit of intimidation factor mixed with excitement from meeting a celebrity pro athlete.
I wouldn't say that - the only difference is the way the wrist flicks and what fingers do the lifting. I've back-up bowled my entire life, my wrist just refuses to turn the 'right' way. Just means I look like a lefty until you watch my hand.
@@lauralyn8785 Also, your wrist is normally strongest through a supinated position, with force going through the pinky and ring fingers as that's the major flexors in the forearm connect.
There are people with way weirder styles that are great at it. Tim Cagle II, Jim Cripps (aka the Backwards Bowler). If you practice enough you can be good at just about anything.
Started doing this on my own when I was a kid (mostly to pick up the ten pin). Had no idea anyone else did it for a long time and just now learned that there’s an actual term for it.
Pretty sure I bowled with Gee and his family at State in Vegas a few years back. Saw him bowl a 300 if it's the same guy lol was mesmerized by the back up ball!
aw man, he tilted himself when he missed that turkey and couldn't get the spare T_T damn. he was DELETING those pins too. but lovely turkey on your end. i love watchin you bowl. the smooth transition from hand to lane with no loud ass sound is *chef kiss*
His fast ball speed is part of the reason he misses the pocket. If he slowed down a bit he would do better. He seemed a little nervous bowling on camera though, so could be the reason.
Being able to hook the ball either direction is a great skill. I’ve tried backing up (thumb in lefty) at my 7 pins and I just can’t do it accurately or consistently.
If your ever in Eugene, Oregon, you might want to bowl with Glen Clark Jr. and Travis Warner at STRIKE CITY, HWY 99 North. Jeff True at FIRS BOWL, River Road near the Randy Pape Beltline.
I was a backup bowler before it was cool. Not sure if that guy had his ball custom drilled or if he just uses a lefty ball, but I had mine drilled custom just for backup bowling. For a long time before that, I had just used a lefty handed ball and thrown right, then I finally paid to have a ball custom fit and drilled for me and my game improved. Backup bowlers used to be pretty rare, but I hear its more common now. I have yet to ever meet another backup bowler though.
Hey Darren I am hoping this can get to Gee. I am a backup bowler as well (for about 20 years) and just wanted some advice on what bowls he uses that works well for him and if he could provide any tips I have stalled out in progress and since its very rare for there to be a good amount of backup bowlers I can't seem to find help. Thank you! Love your videos man!
Speaking of urethane in league, on our Tuesday night The other team had three older men throwing urethane. 1 guy throwing a pitch black 7 mph up 10. Another guy throwing an old urethane rhino 9mph. And another guy who actaully throws it decent using a purple hammer...it was awful, the left lane was 5 boards tighter than the right lane 😂
when u said best backup bowler I throught u were bowling against simson lol and doesn't he work for Ronald hickland I see it on his jersey! I he ge got lessons from Ronald hickland! and he good bowler beside promoting his product lol
I’m the opposite Left handed righty (fractured hand age 10, everything switched to Left hand, but still write primarily with right) Also I use index&middle digits no thumb either
@@aceassn716 That is a pretty interesting grip. Left Handed Righty reffers to how he gets the ball to spin the other way, how a Lefty would get it to while bowling right handed
Lol. Darren, my channel has 320,000 subs. I met you in Shawnee when the pros bowled on the league teams or whatever in Oklahoma at Firelake! We should do a collaboration. Bowling or fishing. Or a combo. And my backup ball would kill this dudes. I can never decide if my regular 2 finger toss is better or my backwards ball
Very cool, I will be in Vegas end of January 2024 for tournament at south point! I will bowl a couple games with you if your available around that time?
I'm also a backup bowler, but hook normal for 7 pins. My balls are all drilled neutral to allow hooking both directions. The pitches are 1/2 reverse also to keep from getting stuck in the ball and injuring fingers.
I bet hes rolling that backup ball 485+ RPM. Thats some insane power he puts on it. Id be afraid my fingers wouldnt come out the ball clean and I'd snap my fingers😂
Anytime I see someone praising backup balling, it makes me consider uploading myself. I’m a 2 hander and can throw a backup ball from the right gutter to the left gutter and strike with 500+ rpm’s consistently
I used to throw a small backup ball to pick up 10 pins but quit because I was afraid I was putting too much stress on my elbow. Throwing a backup ball with that many revs makes my elbow hurt by just watching.
Other great video Darren. Long time watcher and like presser . I wold love to challenge you and take your ZEN BALL GOOD. I bowl overseas balls thought. My Storm lock's series can handle most.. 😅
We got a guy in our league that's a backup bowler. Really good bowler, don't know how they don't break their wrists bowling like that. This dude has a really violent head movement when he delivers the ball. This is why he has a different line every delivery. Only 2 times in this video he was on his mark. His heads all over the place. I'm not knocking him, I'm inconsistent as well.
I have been bowling in league since 1979 and I used to have a rule - there is always one guy who is a backup bowler. But it has been a decade since I have seen one that is any good. I think they disappeared with the advent of two handed bowlers. This amateur definitely has a lot of power for a backup bowler. It is a strategic failure to shoot for the 10 pin with the 4-10 split.
Yeah, IDD. The 4 is as easy as the 10 to pick up if you are just going for one pin. Bu why not give yourself a chance at making the spare? The 4-10 is by no means easy, but for a lefty, or a guy bowling a backup ball like Gee, it's actually not super hard to make. I mean, if you leave a 2-8-10 as a righty, you basically have no shot at covering the split. But lefties have a decent shot at it, as does anyone throwing a big hooking back-up ball. I've seen Anthony Simonson go to his backup ball to make the 2-8-10 split. Gee is nowhere as good as Simo, but I don't understand why he shot at the 10 and didn't give himself any shot at covering that 4-10 split.
@@Ironfangzu Two years ago a righty on my team made the 2-8-10 by hitting the 2 slightly right of center, as it went back it or the ball nicked the left side of the 8 which fell over and hit the 10.
Wait I thought this was a very very common way of shooting I found my style and it’s this one after bowling for about 4 hours straight first and came out w this technique in my own before watching any TH-cam vids but now I can at least improve it
is back up his nornal style? i assume its not after spraying the entire left card over and over lol...when he missed 5 left and is suprised he doesnt carry is awesome!
If Darren were a country singer, he could be Darren Twang.
Now I wanna see that(I'm a metalhead٫ I don't like a lot of country music٫ but if Darren made country music٫ I'd so listen to it)
He certainly doesn't look like a country singer.
@@stupendous1068 To you he may not but I see it, not trying to be an asshole btw
@@Rachelbowls24 He needs a cowboy hat.
@@stupendous1068 Exactly, then he’ll be the cowboy bowler
Damn that is such a violent back up ball soo smooth and dialed in
He definitely has got some talent.... I think the lights and cameras impacted him enough to throw him off his game. Plus, rolling against Darren has quite a bit of intimidation factor mixed with excitement from meeting a celebrity pro athlete.
The fact that hes even somewhat accurate bowling that way is insane
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I wouldn't say that - the only difference is the way the wrist flicks and what fingers do the lifting. I've back-up bowled my entire life, my wrist just refuses to turn the 'right' way. Just means I look like a lefty until you watch my hand.
@@lauralyn8785 Also, your wrist is normally strongest through a supinated position, with force going through the pinky and ring fingers as that's the major flexors in the forearm connect.
not hard at all
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There are people with way weirder styles that are great at it. Tim Cagle II, Jim Cripps (aka the Backwards Bowler). If you practice enough you can be good at just about anything.
3:06 That rev rate is insane💯
Gee shot 300 at the Military Tournament the other day! He's also leading in points!
Started doing this on my own when I was a kid (mostly to pick up the ten pin). Had no idea anyone else did it for a long time and just now learned that there’s an actual term for it.
He's got better ball roll as a backup bowler than I do as an actual lefty 😂
Pretty sure I bowled with Gee and his family at State in Vegas a few years back. Saw him bowl a 300 if it's the same guy lol was mesmerized by the back up ball!
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aw man, he tilted himself when he missed that turkey and couldn't get the spare T_T
damn. he was DELETING those pins too.
but lovely turkey on your end. i love watchin you bowl. the smooth transition
from hand to lane with no loud ass sound is *chef kiss*
uh wtf just happened, 4:08 we said the same thing almost.....
that's scary AND trippy as hell
Vegas knows what's up with Lil Gee and his fam! All great bowlers!
Got to watch the process of this video being made! so happy to meet Darren he’s a great guy even when he’s got the booked schedule
D.Tang is one of my favorite bowlers that I learn alot from
Darren: don't hook at your spares kids
Bowlers that never developed, not being able to throw straight: watch this
Wow! That's the most powerful spin I've ever seen on a backup ball!
It was fun to watch him bowl for sure… What kind of ball speeds did he have? It look like it was getting down there pretty fast lol. 🤪
Around 17 mph ..I have seen him first hand in league and it is definitely impressive…
His fast ball speed is part of the reason he misses the pocket. If he slowed down a bit he would do better. He seemed a little nervous bowling on camera though, so could be the reason.
Dude really felt good after those first 2 shots haha.
Glad to see you using your right arm again :)
Seeing this and seeing someone throw backup so perfectly is amazing bc i do backup ball
I'd really like a slow mo video of the action he puts on the ball from behind.... incredible video regardless!
Darren looking good in those shoes!
Being able to hook the ball either direction is a great skill. I’ve tried backing up (thumb in lefty) at my 7 pins and I just can’t do it accurately or consistently.
I wanted to see Gee shoot a 7 pin. Maybe he'd throw a normal hook
@@coopergates9680doubt it cause I never have
If your ever in Eugene, Oregon, you might want to bowl with Glen Clark Jr. and Travis Warner at STRIKE CITY, HWY 99 North. Jeff True at FIRS BOWL, River Road near the Randy Pape Beltline.
I just like him rocking the Creating The Difference patch.
I was a backup bowler before it was cool. Not sure if that guy had his ball custom drilled or if he just uses a lefty ball, but I had mine drilled custom just for backup bowling. For a long time before that, I had just used a lefty handed ball and thrown right, then I finally paid to have a ball custom fit and drilled for me and my game improved. Backup bowlers used to be pretty rare, but I hear its more common now. I have yet to ever meet another backup bowler though.
Hey Darren I am hoping this can get to Gee. I am a backup bowler as well (for about 20 years) and just wanted some advice on what bowls he uses that works well for him and if he could provide any tips I have stalled out in progress and since its very rare for there to be a good amount of backup bowlers I can't seem to find help. Thank you! Love your videos man!
That's my boy G from Staten Island 💯💯💯
Saw Gee bowl when I was in Vegas to practice before I went to the Open Championship.
When he finds that line, those pins fly.
I throw the backup ball when you coming back to Philly 😮
5:16 can someone explain the “don’t do the Barnes”?
Its good to see right hand dtang back at it!
Fantastic video!
That logo though.... Man Darren I want to do Pro v Am and I'm coming back to Vegas. I'll donate products for you to giveaway and a Storm Ball 😊
great strike shot when he hits target and the pocket but his misses are punished so hard
All based off his speed and revs
Darren is sooooooo natural in front of the camera. Great job !!!!
When did Darren bowl 300 with the gold label?
Think it was his “I’m back” video. They didn’t show score but I looked like he threw a 300 in his last game
i REAAAAAAAALLY love that green splash/tyedye ball or w/e the pattern is called...
i really really love it
Speaking of urethane in league, on our Tuesday night The other team had three older men throwing urethane. 1 guy throwing a pitch black 7 mph up 10. Another guy throwing an old urethane rhino 9mph. And another guy who actaully throws it decent using a purple hammer...it was awful, the left lane was 5 boards tighter than the right lane 😂
when u said best backup bowler I throught u were bowling against simson lol and doesn't he work for Ronald hickland I see it on his jersey! I he ge got lessons from Ronald hickland! and he good bowler beside promoting his product lol
A Right handed Lefty, that's a pretty rare sight
I’m the opposite Left handed righty (fractured hand age 10, everything switched to Left hand, but still write primarily with right)
Also I use index&middle digits no thumb either
@@aceassn716 That is a pretty interesting grip. Left Handed Righty reffers to how he gets the ball to spin the other way, how a Lefty would get it to while bowling right handed
what does a "snug" lane mean or "ball reaction"? what other terms/slang are good to know?
Are those new shoes darren? If so what are they?
dude said you're in trouble then missed pocket 4 times in a row, I love bowling lol
Omg how does he do that? Backward spin. Amazing!!!
He's a backup baller meaning he twists his wrist the opposite way its supposed to
The Mintz family are from NY. Bowled UBA. Cool people. Cool to see him doing this video. Mom and dad are good bowlers as well.
Lol. Darren, my channel has 320,000 subs. I met you in Shawnee when the pros bowled on the league teams or whatever in Oklahoma at Firelake! We should do a collaboration. Bowling or fishing. Or a combo. And my backup ball would kill this dudes. I can never decide if my regular 2 finger toss is better or my backwards ball
Since you’re in Vegas, you should check out Pat Hunt. He is the best backup bowler I’ve ever seen. He averaged 230 in his prime
Pat Hunt is a beast! Best backup bowler in Vegas hands down!
Very cool, I will be in Vegas end of January 2024 for tournament at south point! I will bowl a couple games with you if your available around that time?
Does he drill it with a lefty layout?
I'm also a backup bowler, but hook normal for 7 pins. My balls are all drilled neutral to allow hooking both directions. The pitches are 1/2 reverse also to keep from getting stuck in the ball and injuring fingers.
Shout out to my guy Lil Gee and the Mintz family…Hall of Fame Mother and Father and soon to be son… Much love my boy from da SwitchBlade
Hope to see you in vegas august 19-23
@Darren I ask coming to Vegas for Thanksgiving this year do you want to challenge?
That paragraph joke has me dying 😂
Damn miss that boy Greg.... bowled league with him and his pops at jersey lanes...
That’s wild!!! 💯💯💯
I bet hes rolling that backup ball 485+ RPM. Thats some insane power he puts on it. Id be afraid my fingers wouldnt come out the ball clean and I'd snap my fingers😂
Where is the submission form because I can’t find it
Anytime I see someone praising backup balling, it makes me consider uploading myself. I’m a 2 hander and can throw a backup ball from the right gutter to the left gutter and strike with 500+ rpm’s consistently
2 fantastic bowlers!
I used to throw a small backup ball to pick up 10 pins but quit because I was afraid I was putting too much stress on my elbow. Throwing a backup ball with that many revs makes my elbow hurt by just watching.
That guy is Fun to watch Bowl. Holy Crap!!!
Darren got new shoes?
Would be cool to see him bowl with your close up off the hand camera
Wow, such a fascinating style. I didn't know that was a thing.
The captions “he’s gonna blow me straight up” 💀
Awesome vid
Oh shoot. Greg is awesome bowler and even better dude.
what weight bowling ball does he use ?
There’s a back up bowler in AZ who’s averaging 230
You have the coolest bowl released I’ve ever seen bro
I like that he throws motiv!
Other great video Darren. Long time watcher and like presser . I wold love to challenge you and take your ZEN BALL GOOD. I bowl overseas balls thought. My Storm lock's series can handle most.. 😅
A right handed bowler bowling left is wild
Do he have a TH-cam channel I throw a back ball to pick up my right side spares controlling it is a little hard though
He’s really not bad his mechanics are just so dynamic they are hard to repeat
I love the black venom it's soooo good
Let’s go Gee 💪
We got a guy in our league that's a backup bowler. Really good bowler, don't know how they don't break their wrists bowling like that. This dude has a really violent head movement when he delivers the ball. This is why he has a different line every delivery. Only 2 times in this video he was on his mark. His heads all over the place. I'm not knocking him, I'm inconsistent as well.
I have a team member who does it also. He says it's more comfortable for him but this has to be a bigger strain on your arm and wrist
😂 lmao i just watched it at .25 speed and i see the head motion lmaoooo, hes nice though
The fact he is bowling it right handed and spinning right is huge compared to bowling right & spinning left is huge!!!!!!!!!!
I have been bowling in league since 1979 and I used to have a rule - there is always one guy who is a backup bowler. But it has been a decade since I have seen one that is any good. I think they disappeared with the advent of two handed bowlers. This amateur definitely has a lot of power for a backup bowler. It is a strategic failure to shoot for the 10 pin with the 4-10 split.
Yeah, IDD. The 4 is as easy as the 10 to pick up if you are just going for one pin. Bu why not give yourself a chance at making the spare? The 4-10 is by no means easy, but for a lefty, or a guy bowling a backup ball like Gee, it's actually not super hard to make. I mean, if you leave a 2-8-10 as a righty, you basically have no shot at covering the split. But lefties have a decent shot at it, as does anyone throwing a big hooking back-up ball. I've seen Anthony Simonson go to his backup ball to make the 2-8-10 split. Gee is nowhere as good as Simo, but I don't understand why he shot at the 10 and didn't give himself any shot at covering that 4-10 split.
@@Ironfangzu Two years ago a righty on my team made the 2-8-10 by hitting the 2 slightly right of center, as it went back it or the ball nicked the left side of the 8 which fell over and hit the 10.
I bowled with him last weekend at Southpoint. Him and his family can flat out kill it.
I like how Darren’s last strike was a Brooklyn - maybe he should have thrown a back up 😮
best backup bowler no debating he was too smooth with it !!
You can’t reference Barnes and not cut video or attach a link. Inquiring minds want to know.
Came into the comments looking for a link or at least some keywords to get this story
Gee Mintz 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
What Bowling Ball does Gee use?
Simo vs. Gee vs. Palermaa backup would be somethin' else. That Japanese lady, too
Ill be in vegas in a few weeks but ill need a huge handicap would be just for fun video i suck lmao 😂😂
I will go to Vegas and play you , been bowling 2 years im from texas , 2 finger 1 hander with a back ball
Very interesting throw from gee in my opinion
I used to bowl exactly like him but now I’m a right side bowler I only bowl invert when pins are in that right corner
Watching Gee bowl is like watching Tom Smallwood, but in fast forward
The endless tenth is activated on any fill ball strike (fyi)
Is it just me or did Darren change his release?
Maybe do a give away to one person every state!?! That would be a fair way to get to your fans in every state !
Wait I thought this was a very very common way of shooting I found my style and it’s this one after bowling for about 4 hours straight first and came out w this technique in my own before watching any TH-cam vids but now I can at least improve it
been a back up bowler for 25 years. a pretty good one too.
is back up his nornal style? i assume its not after spraying the entire left card over and over lol...when he missed 5 left and is suprised he doesnt carry is awesome!
I did back up in bowling. it was fun to do
I love this video because I also use a backup
I really need a new bowling ball