I dno what you just said but I love how Chaels saying ooh we’ve not got wrestlers in ufc but we got all them Russians and they’ll tear up most wrestlers
@@Bruvmode he redshirted while he was there, NIU is a D2, which is technically NCAA, but Im almost certain Chael is referring to D1 wrestlers, which is a BIG jump from D2.
He said “it’s never been as underrepresented” not “it’s never been represented” at heavyweight. He’s talking about right now. Obviously there’s been a ton of good wrestlers at heavyweight but that doesn’t apply today and now. So no, to everyone who’s saying Brock Lesnar, he doesn’t count. Why not? Well remind exactly who his next fight is? Exactly, he doesn’t have one and never will again because he’s not a current fighter smh
Chael is absolutely spot on, imagine if some of these low key Russian heavyweights that are basically heavyweight versions of Khabib and Islam had been scouted. Would have been a different ball game!
@@MasihAryaMusic you must have only watched the first 3 seconds, not familiar with ufc past heavyweights, or its your first chael sonnen video bc he clearly did the classic chael move of not finish his sentence before starting another. But yes, you're absolutely right buddy, he did use the word "never", good hearing there kiddo
@@jagy3174ufc pays fighters the best out of any other promotion in combat sports boxing included, only reason big money fights in boxing generate 100mil+ is because of multiple promotions joint promo the fight
He got booted from the WWE and NFL. I’d honestly rather see him make a quiet career coaching after another medal or try to make it in the WWE again than risking his brain in the UFC, but this might force his hand now. You have to have natural hands now to make it in MMA these days, and we don’t know if he has that. Could be stiff like Brock. Prob not worth the real risk. I mean half these guys can barely talk by their mid 30s or they lose self control like Conor, BJ, etc.
Ufc does not pay enough to have the true worlds best fighters. No world class strikers and no world class wrestlers and you mean to tell me ufc fighters are best in the world? Not even close. I have to admit though ifc business model is genius !
They are the world's best fighters from a well rounded perspective, which is what the sport is about. Sure kick boxing and Muay Thai probably have some better strikers but everyone of them will be on their butt flat within 10 seconds.
The reason is very simple, wrestlers has to have a great character to stay on the UFC cause casuals comes to see fights for knockouts not technical wrestling
Inbred ahh take. Half of the current champions are grapplers/wrestlers. Getting sick of these fake hardcore fans calling people casuals cause they don’t want to see Merab kneeing the thigh for 25 minutes with 20 failed takedowns every round without ever coming close to damaging the opponent.
@@williamanderson6112Yup NCAA is Folkstyle, Folkstyle is American Highschool & Collegiate Wrestling while Freestyle and Greco are used internationally in olympics and other world championships
@@jaykwonzzz He also says "It has never happened before... But knowing Chael, half the time he's just talking to talk. Love watching interviews with him. He cracks me up.
but where do Olympians have to go other than MMA? I love wrestling but it's not a hugely popular sport. The Olympics is the peak achievement nothing really comes after.
@@theguycisterninoyelledat6272high paying careers with their degrees and not getting brain damage for Dana. The Olympics is the end goal for most wrestlers. After that is retirement
Former Olympian wrestlers are not making good money elsewhere.
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@@kaiawilson7143 You're missing the other poster's point, retirement to what? You make virtually nothing with the olympics, there is no riding off into the sunset. It's well congratz, now go work in an office and be miserable. That's not retirement.
In my day, the best athletes were always the wrestlers. Virtually every record in the weightlifting room was held by a wrestler. Some football players would spend the entirety of their senior year trying to break a record held by a wrestler who was half his size
The best athletes are still wrestlers. Rarely is someone more athletic than wrestlers. It’s just that wrestling doesn’t naturally translate to fighting
@jmillions6811 Wrestling doesn't translate to fighting? Then why are the most successful mma fighters are either wrestlers or have a strong wrestling background? Do you even know what you saying?
@ did you read what I said dude? Most successful wrestlers in the ufc learned how to strike. The ratio of pure wrestlers compared to wrestlers who learn how to strike is small.
@ every current champion who has a wrestling background has had to learn striking since coming to the ufc with the exception of Merab. These pure wrestling styles almost never work
Just because they have no direct medailles or accomplishments, doesn't make them bad wrestlers. Jones & Aspinal would ragdoll and submit any HW/LHW in history apart from maybe DC. Jailton is very good grappler, blaydes and Spivak are also decent grapplers, And i hate to say it, but old man stipe is a good wrestler too, he was outgrappling DC at times. LHW meanwhile... that is actually just a kickboxing competition. MW also barely has any good grapplers apart from Chimaev. Really dont understand what chaels trying to cook here but again, this guy scored 5-0 pantoja vs erceg + he intentionally misspells peoples names
@@cyrisz4300😂 Aspinall is NOT that good of a grappler, he is a jiu jitsu purist with minimal wrestling and he has already been submitted by a much lower level fighter (Stuart Austin). Don't put him in the discussion with guys like Jones, Cromier, and Stipe. Heck Frank Mir would have submitted that guy in under a minute.
@@infiniterer287 Its extremely funny and weird to me how you have dug so deep into history that you know Aspinal lost to a man called Stuart Austin by a heelhook, but DONT understand that that was more than 10 YEARS ago and that Aspinal has evolved so much from then, and even then he was absolutely beating that guys ass at like 19 years of age but caught by a submission as he was attempting a TK himself. You know yourself Aspinal is the real deal, you EVEN have no personal hate against him (I know this because he is actually a good dude). But your sexual love for Jones is just so immense that you will ignore reality, that is that aspinal is a legit fighter. Im glad you didn't pull-up the blaydes loss or the DQ-loss. If Jones is so called "undefeated", so would aspinal be.
@@infiniterer287 agreed. Aspinall does seem to be pretty good at all aspects of fighting, but people also jump the gun a lot with him . I would even go as far as to say Tom is great in all aspects of the game. However, some are saying he's as good on the feet as Alex. I'm sorry, there's no evidence of that. Same thing with the claims of his grappling being the best at hw. There's no evidence of that..
@@dantemagalhaes9462 Yeah those are definitely insane claims. The guy really just has great boxing and jiu jitsu but he's athletic enough to wing it for the rest. Comparing his striking to Alex is laughable.
Wrestlers had a lot more trouble in Pride. The octagon and rules in the UFC heavily favour wrestling. But it is the top brand of MMA, so guys need to adapt
@@Rkanegaming-e in a street fight, stomps are dangerous, but in an MMA match, no as much. Because your opponent is moving and resisting, it's not like you're landing those things flush on an unconscious body. The threat of the stomp forces action and scrambles for new position. And like any other technique, if a stomp results in a lack of intelligent defense, it's over, TKO.
Striking is more entertaining to the casual viewer i agree but a wrestler can just be as entertaining but i aint talking about lay and pray wrestlers, that is legit boring
Seems to me like no HW wrestlers are making a name for themself in the UFC. Chael makes it seem like there are a bunch of them who earned a spot but aren’t getting it
Aside from the painfully obvious curtis blaydes there also just isnt a lot of competition in heavyweight most of the US heavyweights decide football makes way more money so MMA isnt really a common option
it's also that not a lot of people like fighting. Everyone says they can fight but not a lot genuinely like it. Football is a safer and softer sport that gets you more money. The pay doesn't justify the mindset in MMA.
@theguycisterninoyelledat6272 yeah kinda ties into what I'm saying MMA just isn't a very good sport for money unless your the top 10% of UFC fighters which is unbelievably hard to even get to especially not in heavyweight where the division is one of the most unwatched in the organisation
Agreed. Heavyweight has always been the shallow end of the talent pool in MMA for the very reason you described (i.e. most big, strong, athletic men over 200 pounds play football, basketball, or baseball) and wrestling is no different.
Combat wrestling is far superior in MMA than freestyle collegiate wrestling, that's why we're seeing all these Dagastani fighters with Sambo wrestling backgrounds dominating.
First, American collegiate wrestling is folkstyle, not freestyle. Second, theres no such thing as combat wrestling, the wrestling part of combat sambo came from judo, freestyle, and greco Roman. Third, Dagestanis are so successful at mma because they utilize folkstyle techniques. In folkstyle you have to pin your opponent to actually get the point instead of simply taking your opponent down. Guess what is pinning in MMA? Control time.
Now everyone wrestles. It's tough in the UFC. You don't get to be just one thing. You have to do EVERYTHING. And it's hard for guys who specialize in one thing to branch out
What heavyweight wrestlers are on a tear outside of the ufc so the ufc doesn’t wanna sign them? If a national champ or especially an Olympian was on a tear outside the ufc there would be so many questions about them.
It simply does not matter, the best mma fighters with a wrestling base can hold up to olympians if not beat them. The skills are what's important not the accomplishments. Wrestlers are getting into mma straight out of Highschool/college these days. They dont have time to pursue wrestling because they're solely focused on mma
Wrestling also teaches some pretty bad habits for mma on the mat. Wrestlers have the work ethic and toughness, but when you've been conditioned for decades to give up your back to avoid a pin, it's not easy to rebuild new muscle memory.
To this day I can tell you that the absolute toughest practices from youth sports to the NCAA level is wrestling hands down the absolute most grueling practice conditions. Some places its borderline torture methods to get the absolute greatest out of the athletes. When Chael says right now there are no wrestlers from the NCAA lv (IE no penn state no Iowa no Ohio State no OK State none of those guys.) just reminder we just came off an Olympic year so that may be why but still months removed we do not have one is a shame. I know Blaydes was D2 and so if we count him sure but there are times he can not make weight or has a sluggish fight. Chael is right in the fact that right now Heavyweight has no one to hold the gate for wrestling in UFC at that weight.
Sergei who? Pav? Spivac? If it's Pavlovich. He's talking about American. Sergei ain't american and his background are greco roman wrestling and Combat Sambo.
I mean one of the best MMA wrestlers of all time was GSP and he never competed as a pure wrestler, didn't even start training it until he was an adult in his 20s. So it doesn't really matter. There are no HW wrestlers out there who are a threat to the UFC top 10 right now.
If gable Stevenson got into mma after a few years I think he’d be trouble. I don’t think he’s beating Tom Almedia or Blaydes but it’s possible to be top 10
@@harsha1989able Im a black belt in taekwondo and before anyone gets in the cage even at my level should learn some type of ground game intermediately at least. But the match starts standing and if your good, stays standing. MMA isn’t Wrestling, it can encompass it though.
If you pit a S grade wrestler who has a C to low B grade stand up I will take the wrestler every time. Now the one downside that tends to happen to wrestlers is their stand up fails them, Since DC I have yet to see a heavyweight have S grade in stand up (NCCA Champion or more) and a stand up game that can hold up to a B+ low A grade.
@@TheVelcro18 I dont pay too much attention to heavyweight other than the big fights lol I’m a batam myself so right now there’s a big russian wrestling takeover in that division. Suga Sean holding it down though
@@harsha1989ablenot necessarily. Strikers only need exceptional tdd which is in essence easier to learn than a form of striking. At that point it then becomes a question of how great is your wrestling to neutralize that tdd
@@joeswanson5486 a wrestler already has a better understanding of foot movement over an average person, so yes once a wrestler learns to throw hands, competition in boxing is easy.
He got knocked out by blaydes. Useless wrestling technique. Division of college doesn’t matter. Aljo is division 3 tj is division 1. Mike chandler division one submitted by Dustin. Justin gaethje is division 1.
Casuals in the comment sections gotta remember it’s MMA for a reason. it’s the combination of disciplines uniting to see who in that moment can impose their will. That’s really it.
@@whyareyoureadingmyname5854 D1 wrestlers can translate their wrestling style into striking well since they train being explosive and they fall in love with knocking people out. That explosive style also isnt as effective as a slow approached wrestling style in mma. People use up their energy once a few takedowns get stuffed and it also changes the momentum.
@@whyareyoureadingmyname5854 It is wild considering grappling is protected (no hate just facts). can't knee someone when they are on the ground can't kick or do a lot of things. So you would think taking using wrestling would be easy money.
Bruh I was just about to comment this on a Rogan/Conan clip; the UFC was meant to pit different fighting styles against each other but half of the roster right now is jiu jitsu guys with decent striking
It’s because people are learning to get up off the ground more effectively. It’s harder to hold these fighters on the ground. It’s hard to come to terms when You’re a wrestler
@@timothebob2955 hey genius, he said that AFTER he said there's not an NCAA wrestler in heavyweight. Too many people are misunderstanding something simple
It cause the ufc doesn’t not pay there fighters well. Big athletic heavyweight wrestlers will always choose wwe/football or even just wrestle then get brain damage and risk for very little money
@@jokein1227 quite literally every card to name a couple, ufc 10 ian garry v rahkmanov, ufc 309 oliveira v chandler, whittaker v chimaev. There may not be as many submissions but jiu jitsu is dominant for control time and every wrestler/grappler is using it
@@harsha1989ableits not even that lol jailton almeida is 21-3 with 20 finishes lost once since 2018 and is fighting prelims before johnny walker? Lol wrestling lame to the ufc as well
@harsha1989able I think he might be referring to career wrestlers being fairly boring when they transition and it's the only thing in their toolkit, it's been an issue historically, in SOME cases. That is if I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. The thing is, mma wrestling is now a thing, the sport is getting to the stage where lots of fighters have been "mma" for their whole career, but it's been true in the past too, GSP was a great wrestler and he wasn't NCAA. Uncle Chael is just rattling cages and being an advocate for his sport.
Doesn't this also also apply to Khabib's run at lightweight? There were even fewer wrestlers at lightweight at that time than there are wrestlers at heavyweight now. The lack of good wrestlers is why i always contend that Khabib had one of the easiest championship runs, but apparently you can only make that comment to disparage the heavyweight division.
Crazy how when he was coming up while Ngannou was champ, everyone was talking about what an insane set of killers the new generation of heavyweights are, like Volkov, Spivac, Tybura, Gane, Almeida, Blaydes, Tom, Romanov, etc. And now that a white man rules the division, suddenly they're all trash. The envy bleeds through every argument. Insane.
I don’t watch the ufc as much as others and I may be wrong from here say, but to my knowledge the reason is bc Dana is lowkey kinda a hater on wrestlers. He likes strikers more bc technically they bring in more money/viewers if the fight is going to most likely be knockout. But also the reason he lowkey hates is bc he also knows it’s superior(wrestling) which he wants to prob try n change hence why he doesn’t give as many wrestle style fighters a chance/contract. I could be wrong tho jst someone correct me please. Unless I got it right for the most part
If there was some boring heavyweight wrestling on a 12 fight domaint win streak and not in the ufc there would be talks for him joining the ufc but that’s simply not the case. The ufc literally signed some Dagestani guy and is giving him a top 5 fight against Blaydes in the ufc but no it’s not about finding the best fighters anymore? Right😂
If because they’re all coming out of Europe and Asia nowadays, American MMA has developed into a far more striking heavy base. It’s a culture thing because at the end of the day we all want the highlight KO but these guys coming out of Dagestan do not care about highlights
@ColdSlayerFan you should clean your ears he listed, severn, coleman, couture, cormier all at hw, he said its never been so under represented as it is now.
There are some HWT wrestlers in college right now that will thrive in MMA. Hendricksen, Kerkvliet, and Steveson are all as big as refrigerators and would do well in MMA, especially Kerkvliet.
Right...he's not under contract though. His last UFC fight was how many years ago? Chael didn't say they've never had an NCAA Div1 wrestler, he said that they don't have one now and that that's unprecedented for the UFC. The amount of people who missed that part is absurd...
If it costs that much, it should be good enough to not have to smoke that much. And I thought 2 blunts a day was over doing it. But to play devils advocate, sometimes people over do one thing, to avoid over doing something worse
You gotta come closer if you want to wrestler but my boys Lewis, Ngannou, Pavlovic and Tom wont make you get this far best i can do is a fat unranked guy 😂
Because it's more exciting to watch strikers than it is wrestlers roll and hold. Exactly why Dana let go an undefeated wrestler and exactly why the promotion keeps Periera on his feet and not against wrestlers. It's a busines...and a business that's merged with Endeavor. Do not forget the merger to the biggest entertainment company.
11% of NFL players also wrestled. The simple fact is if those big guys are able to they will go play in the NFL instead of UFC the pay rate is so much bigger in the NFL
Almost every American was a D1 wrestler in the UFC. As for heavyweight, all you need were the guys that you named. As for current, maybe Curtis Blaydes.
Curtis Blaydes is a D2 wrestler. Some D2 wrestlers have had good success in MMA. Kamaru is another one.
Not too related but Aljo was D3
he is talking about heavyweight Kamaru isn’t heavyweight
@@AdamSmasher-Officialand he out wrestled an Olympian
@@Swiifterrif you are talking about Cejudo come on man… Cejudo is a normal Flyweight and Aljo is a Featherweight.
@@Swiifterrplease delete this.
Chael meant to say "there arent any ncaa on contract at this time which has never happend before in heavyweight history"
Thank you for clarifying this because I was like is Brock Lesnar a joke to you or sth
Thanks bud
No, he said what he meant and meant what he said. Don't put words in his mouth.
I dno what you just said but I love how Chaels saying ooh we’ve not got wrestlers in ufc but we got all them Russians and they’ll tear up most wrestlers
Who needed clarification? 😂 Chael couldn't of said this more clearly
Curtis blaydes
He sucks
@arbov169 he was a ncaa wrestler though, im pretty sure..
No blaydes wrestled juco under NJCAA
@ also wrestled at northern Illinois. Google
@@Bruvmode he redshirted while he was there, NIU is a D2, which is technically NCAA, but Im almost certain Chael is referring to D1 wrestlers, which is a BIG jump from D2.
He said “it’s never been as underrepresented” not “it’s never been represented” at heavyweight. He’s talking about right now. Obviously there’s been a ton of good wrestlers at heavyweight but that doesn’t apply today and now. So no, to everyone who’s saying Brock Lesnar, he doesn’t count. Why not? Well remind exactly who his next fight is? Exactly, he doesn’t have one and never will again because he’s not a current fighter smh
He said never
@@MasihAryaMusicreread his comment there's no way you can read the first line and just say that it means you're either stupid or didn't read it right
Chael is absolutely spot on, imagine if some of these low key Russian heavyweights that are basically heavyweight versions of Khabib and Islam had been scouted. Would have been a different ball game!
@@MasihAryaMusicyeah he said never in history lol
@@MasihAryaMusic you must have only watched the first 3 seconds, not familiar with ufc past heavyweights, or its your first chael sonnen video bc he clearly did the classic chael move of not finish his sentence before starting another. But yes, you're absolutely right buddy, he did use the word "never", good hearing there kiddo
Because Gable Steveson has preferred to go to WWE.
Gable is now back to college wrestling
More money Dana doesn’t pay his fighters
@@jagy3174ufc pays fighters the best out of any other promotion in combat sports boxing included, only reason big money fights in boxing generate 100mil+ is because of multiple promotions joint promo the fight
tony cassioppi needs to go the ufc route. he was a high level junior boxer
He got booted from the WWE and NFL. I’d honestly rather see him make a quiet career coaching after another medal or try to make it in the WWE again than risking his brain in the UFC, but this might force his hand now. You have to have natural hands now to make it in MMA these days, and we don’t know if he has that. Could be stiff like Brock. Prob not worth the real risk. I mean half these guys can barely talk by their mid 30s or they lose self control like Conor, BJ, etc.
Ufc does not pay enough to have the true worlds best fighters. No world class strikers and no world class wrestlers and you mean to tell me ufc fighters are best in the world? Not even close.
I have to admit though ifc business model is genius !
They are the world's best fighters from a well rounded perspective, which is what the sport is about. Sure kick boxing and Muay Thai probably have some better strikers but everyone of them will be on their butt flat within 10 seconds.
The reason is very simple, wrestlers has to have a great character to stay on the UFC cause casuals comes to see fights for knockouts not technical wrestling
Inbred ahh take. Half of the current champions are grapplers/wrestlers. Getting sick of these fake hardcore fans calling people casuals cause they don’t want to see Merab kneeing the thigh for 25 minutes with 20 failed takedowns every round without ever coming close to damaging the opponent.
Watch Bo Nickel, Watch Gathje, Ferguson in his prime, Jon Jones list goes on n on that's non sense
Forgot to specify "American Collegiate style wrestling"
He said NCAA
NCAA is Folk Style
@@williamanderson6112Yup NCAA is Folkstyle, Folkstyle is American Highschool & Collegiate Wrestling while Freestyle and Greco are used internationally in olympics and other world championships
What do you think NCAA 🤡😂
No he didn't
Brock Lesnar was an NCAA champ
was lookin for this
Lmao same
he is talking about now in 2024
He said UNDER CONTRACT.
@@jaykwonzzz He also says "It has never happened before... But knowing Chael, half the time he's just talking to talk. Love watching interviews with him. He cracks me up.
Maybe if the UFC didnt pay their fighters peanuts relative to other sports more of these former Olympian wrestlers would actually get into the sport
but where do Olympians have to go other than MMA? I love wrestling but it's not a hugely popular sport. The Olympics is the peak achievement nothing really comes after.
@@theguycisterninoyelledat6272high paying careers with their degrees and not getting brain damage for Dana. The Olympics is the end goal for most wrestlers. After that is retirement
It doesn't translate. They still need years of training after leaving wrestling.
Former Olympian wrestlers are not making good money elsewhere.
@@kaiawilson7143 You're missing the other poster's point, retirement to what? You make virtually nothing with the olympics, there is no riding off into the sunset. It's well congratz, now go work in an office and be miserable. That's not retirement.
In my day, the best athletes were always the wrestlers. Virtually every record in the weightlifting room was held by a wrestler. Some football players would spend the entirety of their senior year trying to break a record held by a wrestler who was half his size
The best athletes are still wrestlers. Rarely is someone more athletic than wrestlers. It’s just that wrestling doesn’t naturally translate to fighting
@jmillions6811
Wrestling doesn't translate to fighting? Then why are the most successful mma fighters are either wrestlers or have a strong wrestling background? Do you even know what you saying?
@ did you read what I said dude? Most successful wrestlers in the ufc learned how to strike. The ratio of pure wrestlers compared to wrestlers who learn how to strike is small.
@ every current champion who has a wrestling background has had to learn striking since coming to the ufc with the exception of Merab. These pure wrestling styles almost never work
@@jmillions6811 you literally said wrestling doesn't translate to fighting. Which isn't true like four_2_Zero said.
Mark Coleman actually handed it to his good friend Kevin Randleman. Mark trained Kevin early in his career.
RIP Kevin Randleman.
Chael : theres no good wrestlers in the heavyweight division.
Curtis Blaydes: ok great
Just because they have no direct medailles or accomplishments, doesn't make them bad wrestlers. Jones & Aspinal would ragdoll and submit any HW/LHW in history apart from maybe DC. Jailton is very good grappler, blaydes and Spivak are also decent grapplers, And i hate to say it, but old man stipe is a good wrestler too, he was outgrappling DC at times.
LHW meanwhile... that is actually just a kickboxing competition. MW also barely has any good grapplers apart from Chimaev.
Really dont understand what chaels trying to cook here but again, this guy scored 5-0 pantoja vs erceg + he intentionally misspells peoples names
@@cyrisz4300😂 Aspinall is NOT that good of a grappler, he is a jiu jitsu purist with minimal wrestling and he has already been submitted by a much lower level fighter (Stuart Austin). Don't put him in the discussion with guys like Jones, Cromier, and Stipe. Heck Frank Mir would have submitted that guy in under a minute.
@@infiniterer287 Its extremely funny and weird to me how you have dug so deep into history that you know Aspinal lost to a man called Stuart Austin by a heelhook, but DONT understand that that was more than 10 YEARS ago and that Aspinal has evolved so much from then, and even then he was absolutely beating that guys ass at like 19 years of age but caught by a submission as he was attempting a TK himself.
You know yourself Aspinal is the real deal, you EVEN have no personal hate against him (I know this because he is actually a good dude).
But your sexual love for Jones is just so immense that you will ignore reality, that is that aspinal is a legit fighter.
Im glad you didn't pull-up the blaydes loss or the DQ-loss. If Jones is so called "undefeated", so would aspinal be.
@@infiniterer287 agreed. Aspinall does seem to be pretty good at all aspects of fighting, but people also jump the gun a lot with him .
I would even go as far as to say Tom is great in all aspects of the game. However, some are saying he's as good on the feet as Alex. I'm sorry, there's no evidence of that. Same thing with the claims of his grappling being the best at hw. There's no evidence of that..
@@dantemagalhaes9462 Yeah those are definitely insane claims. The guy really just has great boxing and jiu jitsu but he's athletic enough to wing it for the rest. Comparing his striking to Alex is laughable.
Guys he said current heavyweight
Chael is fighting
Curtis blaydes is a junior college wrestler actually went to Harper college and was his teammate
Wrestler is the test to a fighter if he's really the real deal
Wrestlers had a lot more trouble in Pride. The octagon and rules in the UFC heavily favour wrestling. But it is the top brand of MMA, so guys need to adapt
@Dukeflyhawker I mean stomping you while you're on the ground is kinda dangerous TBH, they're walking in thin ice with lives here tbh.
@@Dukeflyhawker couldnt a wrestler knee you in the skull if he can hold you down?
@@Rkanegaming-e in a street fight, stomps are dangerous, but in an MMA match, no as much. Because your opponent is moving and resisting, it's not like you're landing those things flush on an unconscious body. The threat of the stomp forces action and scrambles for new position. And like any other technique, if a stomp results in a lack of intelligent defense, it's over, TKO.
@@themadman6667 I suppose so
DC is so underrated, given how old he was when he entered. He was at the backend and still had great success
Don't expect this to change because striking is more entertaining so the ufc will always bring strikers more than wrestlers
I expect it to change...
Sambo wrestlers are fun to watch.
@@mattiaskeinnn3317I don’t think we can use that term anymore
Striking is more entertaining to the casual viewer i agree but a wrestler can just be as entertaining but i aint talking about lay and pray wrestlers, that is legit boring
Try and go wrestle Tom Aspinall and see how that works out for you.
Seems to me like no HW wrestlers are making a name for themself in the UFC. Chael makes it seem like there are a bunch of them who earned a spot but aren’t getting it
Aside from the painfully obvious curtis blaydes there also just isnt a lot of competition in heavyweight most of the US heavyweights decide football makes way more money so MMA isnt really a common option
it's also that not a lot of people like fighting. Everyone says they can fight but not a lot genuinely like it. Football is a safer and softer sport that gets you more money. The pay doesn't justify the mindset in MMA.
@theguycisterninoyelledat6272 yeah kinda ties into what I'm saying MMA just isn't a very good sport for money unless your the top 10% of UFC fighters which is unbelievably hard to even get to especially not in heavyweight where the division is one of the most unwatched in the organisation
@@Biscossity yea i'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just adding it goes into more than just money.
@@theguycisterninoyelledat6272 I didn't say u were 😂
Agreed. Heavyweight has always been the shallow end of the talent pool in MMA for the very reason you described (i.e. most big, strong, athletic men over 200 pounds play football, basketball, or baseball) and wrestling is no different.
Preparing the narrative for why Tom has been able to succeed so exceptionally
Combat wrestling is far superior in MMA than freestyle collegiate wrestling, that's why we're seeing all these Dagastani fighters with Sambo wrestling backgrounds dominating.
First, American collegiate wrestling is folkstyle, not freestyle. Second, theres no such thing as combat wrestling, the wrestling part of combat sambo came from judo, freestyle, and greco Roman. Third, Dagestanis are so successful at mma because they utilize folkstyle techniques. In folkstyle you have to pin your opponent to actually get the point instead of simply taking your opponent down. Guess what is pinning in MMA? Control time.
How many Dagestani champs are there? I ŵouldnt call 1 guy, dominating.
@@Donaldthefelontrumpu gotta give them title shots for that dana will never because having someone not trash talk will not make money for dana white
@Wizzy678 whatever
"freestyle collegiate wrestling"... please stop talking
Now everyone wrestles. It's tough in the UFC. You don't get to be just one thing. You have to do EVERYTHING. And it's hard for guys who specialize in one thing to branch out
Different games, its mma not wrestling with a bit of boxing and leg kicks
Oh wow we never realized that until you said it... 🤦♂️
probably because 1: wrestlers picked up late at the mma hype and 2: ufc didnt want a lot of wrestlers cuz they had viewership concerns, just my guess
What heavyweight wrestlers are on a tear outside of the ufc so the ufc doesn’t wanna sign them? If a national champ or especially an Olympian was on a tear outside the ufc there would be so many questions about them.
@joeswanson5486 early on with the ufc wrestlers prob didnt wanna get punched for 5 bucks either
It simply does not matter, the best mma fighters with a wrestling base can hold up to olympians if not beat them. The skills are what's important not the accomplishments. Wrestlers are getting into mma straight out of Highschool/college these days. They dont have time to pursue wrestling because they're solely focused on mma
Wrestling also teaches some pretty bad habits for mma on the mat. Wrestlers have the work ethic and toughness, but when you've been conditioned for decades to give up your back to avoid a pin, it's not easy to rebuild new muscle memory.
It goes in cycles.
To this day I can tell you that the absolute toughest practices from youth sports to the NCAA level is wrestling hands down the absolute most grueling practice conditions. Some places its borderline torture methods to get the absolute greatest out of the athletes. When Chael says right now there are no wrestlers from the NCAA lv (IE no penn state no Iowa no Ohio State no OK State none of those guys.) just reminder we just came off an Olympic year so that may be why but still months removed we do not have one is a shame. I know Blaydes was D2 and so if we count him sure but there are times he can not make weight or has a sluggish fight. Chael is right in the fact that right now Heavyweight has no one to hold the gate for wrestling in UFC at that weight.
Sergei has a Wrestling background, He just never uses it for some reason.
Yeah, it's an absolute shame...
Sergei who? Pav? Spivac? If it's Pavlovich. He's talking about American. Sergei ain't american and his background are greco roman wrestling and Combat Sambo.
@@daghetto101 Sergei is Pavlovich and Serghei is Spivac, different spelling
Most heavyweights fall in love with their power and never use wrestling to win matches. It's generally "1, 2, drops opponent then ground n pound 😂😂😂.
Justin gaethje also was great wrestler but same thing never uses it
I mean one of the best MMA wrestlers of all time was GSP and he never competed as a pure wrestler, didn't even start training it until he was an adult in his 20s. So it doesn't really matter. There are no HW wrestlers out there who are a threat to the UFC top 10 right now.
If gable Stevenson got into mma after a few years I think he’d be trouble. I don’t think he’s beating Tom Almedia or Blaydes but it’s possible to be top 10
@@joeswanson5486 Gable would take out blaydes and almeda off the couch.
How can wrestling still “rule the day” if the industry has clearly evolved to stand up😭 bro even says it
Yeah, a bit of a word salad
Elite wrestling still rules, and will continue doing so...
@@harsha1989able Im a black belt in taekwondo and before anyone gets in the cage even at my level should learn some type of ground game intermediately at least. But the match starts standing and if your good, stays standing. MMA isn’t Wrestling, it can encompass it though.
If you pit a S grade wrestler who has a C to low B grade stand up I will take the wrestler every time. Now the one downside that tends to happen to wrestlers is their stand up fails them, Since DC I have yet to see a heavyweight have S grade in stand up (NCCA Champion or more) and a stand up game that can hold up to a B+ low A grade.
@@TheVelcro18 I dont pay too much attention to heavyweight other than the big fights lol I’m a batam myself so right now there’s a big russian wrestling takeover in that division. Suga Sean holding it down though
Wrestling was great for me and my life. I started at 44lbs . It was the best of times..traveling around to tournaments
Wrestlers gotta know how to throw hands
Strikers got to know how to wrestle...
@harsha1989able yes, but as a striker, all you have to mostly know is how to sprawl.
@@harsha1989ablenot necessarily. Strikers only need exceptional tdd which is in essence easier to learn than a form of striking. At that point it then becomes a question of how great is your wrestling to neutralize that tdd
@@blueking9845so that’s it?
@@joeswanson5486 a wrestler already has a better understanding of foot movement over an average person, so yes once a wrestler learns to throw hands, competition in boxing is easy.
Stop commenting pointless things, he said currently maybe 3-4 times
Look what Jailton did to Blaydes.
Ye look what he did, head butting blaydes fist while hugging him 😂😂😂
He got knocked out by blaydes. Useless wrestling technique. Division of college doesn’t matter. Aljo is division 3 tj is division 1. Mike chandler division one submitted by Dustin. Justin gaethje is division 1.
@ In not saying he’s champ level I don’t think he is, I’m just saying his wrestling is good because he out wrestled Blaydes who has good wrestling.
True wrestling is too strong. All those guys from Dagestan have wrestling backgrounds 👍👍
Casuals in the comment sections gotta remember it’s MMA for a reason. it’s the combination of disciplines uniting to see who in that moment can impose their will. That’s really it.
Yeah no shit
Maybe the sport is just evolving, I think fighters are realizing it's better to just start off with MMA then have a base as a wrestler
D1 wrestlers are overrated in MMA
I agree somewhat but there have also been many great D1 wrestlers that fought in the UFC
@NoahB3 yes but usman beat colby and waa more dominant with his wrestling in mma. Or Jon beating DC at his own game and taking him down
Most people who are D1 wrestlers don't even use it in MMA which is wild to me
@@whyareyoureadingmyname5854 D1 wrestlers can translate their wrestling style into striking well since they train being explosive and they fall in love with knocking people out. That explosive style also isnt as effective as a slow approached wrestling style in mma. People use up their energy once a few takedowns get stuffed and it also changes the momentum.
@@whyareyoureadingmyname5854 It is wild considering grappling is protected (no hate just facts). can't knee someone when they are on the ground can't kick or do a lot of things. So you would think taking using wrestling would be easy money.
Bruh I was just about to comment this on a Rogan/Conan clip; the UFC was meant to pit different fighting styles against each other but half of the roster right now is jiu jitsu guys with decent striking
Curtis blaydes?
Juco I’m pretty sure
Blaydes? Cain? Brock?
He's talking about present time.
Bro are you braindead he’s obv talking bout the present???
@@r1pperduck The amount of people who don't listen and take right to the comment section to argue is staggering 😂
Same thing at Light Heavyweight. Not a single wrestler. Wait until Alex runs into someone other than a kickboxer. 🤛🤜
It’s because people are learning to get up off the ground more effectively. It’s harder to hold these fighters on the ground. It’s hard to come to terms when You’re a wrestler
Damn, Didnt realize this...Uncle Chael is right.
Again, Chael spitting facts.
Man that guy can talk. Like really, really good talking.
Brock wasn't?
Current
It's never been as unrepresented as it is TODAY
He was, Chael just forgot to mention him.
He said it's never happened before@@ChildishGambeaner
@@timothebob2955 hey genius, he said that AFTER he said there's not an NCAA wrestler in heavyweight. Too many people are misunderstanding something simple
It cause the ufc doesn’t not pay there fighters well. Big athletic heavyweight wrestlers will always choose wwe/football or even just wrestle then get brain damage and risk for very little money
Not to mention that they changed the rule set to discourage wrestling because it was so dominant they wanna make it kickboxing
Bingo
Could you elaborate further? From what I’ve been watching in UFC it’s pretty much Jiu Jitsu show outside of a select few fights
@@MagerBenefitscan you name what cards you’re talking about because this is bullshit😭
Wtf r u talking about. Rules still favor wrestling
@@jokein1227 quite literally every card to name a couple, ufc 10 ian garry v rahkmanov, ufc 309 oliveira v chandler, whittaker v chimaev. There may not be as many submissions but jiu jitsu is dominant for control time and every wrestler/grappler is using it
I've never thought about that
If we had more of them, this division would be absolutely lame even more than it is now
MMA is just not for you...
@@harsha1989ableits not even that lol jailton almeida is 21-3 with 20 finishes lost once since 2018 and is fighting prelims before johnny walker? Lol wrestling lame to the ufc as well
@harsha1989able I think he might be referring to career wrestlers being fairly boring when they transition and it's the only thing in their toolkit, it's been an issue historically, in SOME cases. That is if I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
The thing is, mma wrestling is now a thing, the sport is getting to the stage where lots of fighters have been "mma" for their whole career, but it's been true in the past too, GSP was a great wrestler and he wasn't NCAA. Uncle Chael is just rattling cages and being an advocate for his sport.
Doesn't this also also apply to Khabib's run at lightweight? There were even fewer wrestlers at lightweight at that time than there are wrestlers at heavyweight now.
The lack of good wrestlers is why i always contend that Khabib had one of the easiest championship runs, but apparently you can only make that comment to disparage the heavyweight division.
Current heavyweight sucks so bad, Aspinall is lucky he got this generation
You can make this argument for every champ. For example Khabib a wrestler defended his belt against 3 striker McGregor, Poirier and Gathje
@strg4291 to be fair, khabib did beat a prime rda before fighting those guys. and most heavyweights are lazy and sloppy.
Crazy how when he was coming up while Ngannou was champ, everyone was talking about what an insane set of killers the new generation of heavyweights are, like Volkov, Spivac, Tybura, Gane, Almeida, Blaydes, Tom, Romanov, etc. And now that a white man rules the division, suddenly they're all trash.
The envy bleeds through every argument. Insane.
Uncle C just spitting truth.
I swear when this guy talks he sounds a lot like the kid that constantly says “apparently” in that interview lmao
You shut your mouth when you’re watching a video of absolute greatness
I don’t watch the ufc as much as others and I may be wrong from here say, but to my knowledge the reason is bc Dana is lowkey kinda a hater on wrestlers. He likes strikers more bc technically they bring in more money/viewers if the fight is going to most likely be knockout. But also the reason he lowkey hates is bc he also knows it’s superior(wrestling) which he wants to prob try n change hence why he doesn’t give as many wrestle style fighters a chance/contract. I could be wrong tho jst someone correct me please. Unless I got it right for the most part
Brock Lesnar
Current
Huh Brock lesnar was a division 1 ncaa champ for Minnesota
Current. Pay attention. Brock hasn’t been in the ufc for ages
@chiarosuburekeni9325 "it has never happened before" literally his next line stop glazing
@@Deivesonfiggysson he’s saying “it has never happened before where a ncaa wrestler wasn’t in the top 10” not that there has never been one before
It’s not about who’s the best anymore. You can’t wrestle your way into the ufc you have to get highlights
If there was some boring heavyweight wrestling on a 12 fight domaint win streak and not in the ufc there would be talks for him joining the ufc but that’s simply not the case. The ufc literally signed some Dagestani guy and is giving him a top 5 fight against Blaydes in the ufc but no it’s not about finding the best fighters anymore? Right😂
No Brock Lesnar?
He’s talking about currently
If because they’re all coming out of Europe and Asia nowadays, American MMA has developed into a far more striking heavy base. It’s a culture thing because at the end of the day we all want the highlight KO but these guys coming out of Dagestan do not care about highlights
Submissions > knockouts...
What? The only ranked heavyweight from Dagestan in heavyweight is Shamil. I mean what are you talking about
Hang on,let me tell you something about BROCK! LESNAR!!!
He was a ncaa champ and wwe champ,huge wrestling background
Not a current fighter he is talking about current hw
@ but he also said there hasn’t ever been anyone from wrestling
@ColdSlayerFan you should clean your ears he listed, severn, coleman, couture, cormier all at hw, he said its never been so under represented as it is now.
@@ColdSlayerFanlmao wwe champion ain't a real title,just a gift given by wwe when ur popular
@@ColdSlayerFanhe literally named multiple olympians and all Americans from the HW division.
The crowd would just start booing if there wasn’t a punch or a kick thrown every 2 seconds
@@TheBarrelOfCrackers boring is boring. Sean Strickland manages it be boring with jabs, “teeps”, and calf kicks
There are some HWT wrestlers in college right now that will thrive in MMA. Hendricksen, Kerkvliet, and Steveson are all as big as refrigerators and would do well in MMA, especially Kerkvliet.
This isn’t just an opinion. It’s an invitation. These guys are smart.
haha...that took a turn. I thought it was going in the direction of wrestlers being underappreciated under the current contract distribution.
Uncle Chael spittin game per usual
Wrestling will get you through the amateur bouts... but once you get to the top there is more of a well rounded aspect to the fights....
Randleman straight to DC is wild even for Chael
Gregor Gillespie was an NCAA champion and was a dark horse in the division, till he got head kicked by kevin lee which derailed the hype train
A very good point
Because striking is nerfed hard by gloves and rules
They're not offering them.enough.
Brock Lesnar was NCAA D1 heavyweight wrestling championship his senior year
Right...he's not under contract though. His last UFC fight was how many years ago? Chael didn't say they've never had an NCAA Div1 wrestler, he said that they don't have one now and that that's unprecedented for the UFC.
The amount of people who missed that part is absurd...
Maybe because the sport has evolved.
Surprised he didn’t talk about Brock in this rant
Every division needs more talent
Its set that way to write the narrative. UFC is very good at it depending who they want to win (whoever brings money).
Almedia brings no money and had one of the most boring fights ever but he got a number one contenders shot agaisnt blaydes. What are you talking about
If it costs that much, it should be good enough to not have to smoke that much. And I thought 2 blunts a day was over doing it.
But to play devils advocate, sometimes people over do one thing, to avoid over doing something worse
Finally, someone said it🙌🏾
What's with the music in the back
Dahmer theme
The sport is moving past it. It will be a part of it forever but there are ways around it.
Chael forgot to mention Brock Lesnar 1998 NJCAA Heavyweight Champion, two-time NCAA All-American and the 2000 NCAA Heavyweight Champion
You gotta come closer if you want to wrestler but my boys Lewis, Ngannou, Pavlovic and Tom wont make you get this far best i can do is a fat unranked guy 😂
Wm19 is hands down the best wm followed by wm 17 imo. Like how wm 19 flopped is wild
Because it's more exciting to watch strikers than it is wrestlers roll and hold. Exactly why Dana let go an undefeated wrestler and exactly why the promotion keeps Periera on his feet and not against wrestlers. It's a busines...and a business that's merged with Endeavor. Do not forget the merger to the biggest entertainment company.
Wheres Brok Leasner when we need him lol
Dagestan need to produce one heavyweight
11% of NFL players also wrestled. The simple fact is if those big guys are able to they will go play in the NFL instead of UFC the pay rate is so much bigger in the NFL
Ben Vs Jorge 2🤩
Wrestlers dominated when there were no good boxers and kick boxer. The first great kick boxers all dominated.
I’ve never seen schmo and chael in the same west lane mansion before
Now all we see is fighters wrestling. Khabob, khamzat, Islam and BP nickel. List goes on. So in today's ufc... it's more then common.
He’s talking about the current times in Heavyweight. None of those people are heavyweights.
Who cares about NCAA?
Gable would be nuts
The beast incarnate Broooocccckkkk Lesnerrrrrrrrrr
Almost every American was a D1 wrestler in the UFC. As for heavyweight, all you need were the guys that you named. As for current, maybe Curtis Blaydes.
Most of the guys in the top 10 are not American. That doesn't mean they don't wrestle.