Remember that teams like Hendrick, Rausch, Gibbs and Childress were given their charters. 23xi trackhouse, and others had to buy charters. Pretty crappy if the big teams, who have no charter investment to sign a deal that does nothing to them but still hoses the ones who had to buy in
Nascars tyranny has only been leading them to failure year after year. Look at all the tracks that demolished back stretch seating. Look at all the seating covered in sponsor banners. Tyranny from failed empires. That is the france ideology. Calling these "business deals" is equivalent to the green new deal etc. With all the ownership of tracks nascar should be taken to court for monopolistic practices. Its really annoying that nascar has tried to capitlize the way they have. Money from sponsors that has overshadowed great racing for the fans to enjoy. The france family epitomizes what its like to be a man in business and not a businessman.
The entire stock car racing world changed when TV ratings became more important than the race itself. Then Legal Gambling pushed it over the edge. The amount of money involved at NASCAR, top to bottom is ridicules! If you like racing, go to your local short track! Stop feeding the France Family Circus....
Give it up. Imagine being so dimwitted comparing Nascar to "tyrants" and the state off affairs to Rome. Jordan and front row don't have to be in Nascar. There are plenty of other businessmen who will sign the agreement as 13 of the major teams did and take their spots and participate in the biggest sanctioning in USA and north america. Nascar will survive without these two teams including one who hasn't even been around a year. No one's forcing them to stay in Nascar, if they feel they are so important they can take their business model to other sanctioning bodies such as CARS, WOO, TA or indy
@@MacNur-tu3cqimagine being even more dim-witted as to think that NASCAR would let Michael Jordan and Bubba Wallace out of the sport😂 Nascar will be labeled racist the very next day and NASCAR doesn't need those headlines they've spent Millions for decades to change their image😂 NASCAR will increase the provisions for 2311 and for other teams and everybody will tell Michael and Denny Thank You😂
I love Michael Jordan. He's just trying to get the teams some fair value revenue sharing like in other sports. The other professional sports don't treat their teams that way.
When a major sponsor left such as nextel or monster and nascar became the primary sponsor of the series it was all over. The beloved sport we once enjoyed was gone. Also when nascar started buying race tracks to secure their foot hold in the series. Was the second shoe to drop. THAT IS DICTATORSHIP
Nascar holds all the power and why shouldn't they? They OWN the charters and have the power to rescind them. Dennis is playing with fire and stands a good chance of getting burned. He may one day win the championship, but he will never be a "champion." He lacks character and narcissism, arrogance, and entitlement are not good character traits. The best thing he could do is STFU and drive...but he won't, his ego will never permit that. LMAO@Denny
It will happen eventually. You and I probably won't see it, but it's coming! I've never liked the bully tactics that NASCAR has had over the decades. Bill Sr. was a major dictator. My way or the highway! NASCAR has to much power, and I'm glad to see someone shake the tree!
Agree. They used to really screw over people from the North who tried to field a team in NASCAR. Petty probably wasn't even that good. NASCAR was always letting Petty Enterprises cheat.
The racing world is almost stand alone. F1, Indy, NASCAR! Other sports NFL, MLB, NBA, etc., the players of they can't get certain things can strike, hold out, not sign contracts. The racing gods have the control. If the team owners would band together, and say no we're not signing that contract, what's NASCAR gonna do? Without the teams, there is no NASCAR!
@@kenruggles7039 B.S. without the tracks there is no Nascar. That's what the charter is for. Nascar calls the shots because they own it 100%. That's not the case in other sports.
@@shaynejenkins446 Long before NASCAR, the tracks existed. Racing existed before NASCAR! Being involved with NASCAR has always been a dictatorship and not a true partnership!
One problem. NASCAR owns a bunch of the tracks. Or else they probably could do it and put NASCAR the sanctioning body out of business. Kind of like how Tony George it took.years and years but he was finally able to put CART out of business and have the Indy Car Series owned by the people who owned and sanctioned the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and the Indianapolis 500. As CART was a group who broke away from the sanctioning body before and had taken over the series And the speedway never liked that that had happened and formed what is now Indy Car to retake control of the Indianapolis 500 and the IndyCar Series as far as the rules packages were concerned and all of that stuff.
@@DavidClark-vu3dw This is what will happen NASCAR will call out to other series and local drivers to fill the field, there will be a show. It's their sandbox play by their rules or go home. It's been like that since Big Bill started.
@@RobertDetert if the drivers all get together from Busch and Cup they will have no choice to play along or shutter the tracks, fans will have to back the drivers but it can happen
I know y'all scared to admit it but NASCAR is going to have to fold to Michael Jordan it's sad but let them push out black owner they will have people involved pushing narratives that NASCAR just don't want
The day after that Charter expires every headline in America is going to say "Nascar kicks out black owner only black driver" NASCAR would lose half of its value in a day😂
It's a fact of life we aren't suposed to talk about but yeah. As a white person if I get I a argument with any minority it can't just be two people with a disagreement it has to be I'm racist. I thank a lot of the corporations walk on egg shells around race.
@@robertstone9988 well in this case Michael Jordan has done nothing but good things for the sport and whether or not people like bubble Wallace is attracted to 10% fan base
I call bs on most of this. The teams didn't want this deal. Nascar didn't give the teams a choice. They said sign it or your out. Problem is nascar doesn't have the balls to take Jordan's charters.
The U.S colony’s were under a king for decades. The founders said FUCK THE KING. Imagine if they took this guys advise and thought “you aren’t gonna bully the king guys” or “we aren’t gonna change the kings thinking guys” 😂😂. Change usually has to be forced
NASCAR is an entertainment business. The drivers need to study the death of vaudeville. The theater owners wanted to get acts to sign up for preset tours in theaters. The booking management wanted a 5% cut. The actors objected and wanted more (and now actors pay their agents 15%). An act is worthless without a paying audience. How many kids pay drivers for their autographs? How much did NASCAR have to pay Chicago to use its streets? And let us note that Denny Hamlin named his show Actions Detrimental, not Actions Incremental. NASCAR did not name his show. He did.
Hey rick thanks for all ya do. Here is the deal with jordan. And like it or not it’s the truth. He Is a different animal. He is as big as nascar. Like it or not he is the biggest name in the sports and apparel world. His brand is bigger globally than nascar. They just won the regular season. They’re a chase contender. When they start winning titles. The credibility Jordan’s name brings alot to the sport and sponsor’s. So they are not bulling nascar. but the upside anything jordan brings if they start winning is very high so he wants certain concessions on future cars and stakes. By my estimate jordan increases overall coverage of nascar by 20% or more globally. and especially more in casual fan and blacks and nascar wants that demographic. And jordan knows it and he can deliver it. Not many people wake up and google whats rick hendrick up to. But alot of people want to know what jordans doing. It’s that simple
What does having a charter get you, other than a guaranteed starting spot in each race? If Nascar decided to take away the charters of 23XL and Front Row and give/sell them to other teams, they still only have 36 charters, and start 40 cars. Both 23XL and Front Row have their shit together that they wouldn't have an issue qualifying their cars for those 4 other non charter spots, and likely farther up the field than a lot of the teams. The only time I might see one of their cars getting knocked out is if a different team brought in a road course ringer for one of the road courses as a 3rd driver, obviously not with a charter, than being a roadcourse driver, could maybe knock off one of the other 4, but that would be very few and far between.
@@shaynejenkins446 they have 36 charters and start a max of 40 cars, therefore there are 4 spots that are left open for non chartered cars. Taking away a charter doesn't stop you from racing, just doesn't give you a guaranteed starting spot What's made up?
As much as I like Rick Mast and his great commentaries he comes off as old school, somebody that's not going to rock the boat and is going to kiss Nascar's ass. I really feel big changes are coming to Nascar. So many fans have left Nascar due to their dictatorship ways. A lot of fans are watching grass roots dirt racing, especially the two national midget series, USAC and the Xtreme Outlaw Midget Series and as Flo Racing and Dirt Vision offer more money to the TV rights the payouts are going to be larger and that's going to bring new fans and keep some of the top drivers in the sport longer. I believe we are going to see a merger with Nascar and a sovereign wealth fund......
NASCAR will be its own undoing. Super successful may ass lol. attendance at tracks has decreased for the last 20 years. replacing seats for condos and crap because current nascar blows.
Hey Rick. Your analysis of the Charter situation is pretty much spot on and much appreciated here. Thanks for laying out the bare bones truth of the situation. 23XI and FRM need to take a cold shower and wake up. This won't go well for them IMHO.
Nascar has "never been bullied" but its gonna be interesting to see if this morphs into an anti-trust lawsuit. Dictator mentality often does not succeed in federal court. The style that made it successful may be its un-doing here. Its a restraint of trade but does Nascar survive a rule of reason analysis? Frankly it shouldn't ever get to the point that we have to answer that question.
Thanks for the explanation, Rick, and yes, it peaked in the '80s, recall those days well when it was both the legendary car builders and the new gen owners with extra bucks and computers. And now, with this divide between teams and sanctioning body, is it not like the bridge crossed years ago by rock stars and concert promoters? At some point the performance fees shifted in favor of the artists and the promoters and venues had to accommodate that, no longer were they just singing for their supper. Not saying what's what in this as I do not know, but with car owners basically dissatisfied, one wonders how much longer they'll be willing to get on the big stage at the next All-Day Circle Track Race Car Family and Friends Community Circus and Merchandise Extravaganza. And O for the days of Dan Gurney wheeling that big Mercury at the front of the pack at Riverside, so glad I got to see it as a kid when it was all so loud and colorful and cool.
Before Hamlin had his team together he was talking trash about how NASCAR needed to change their policies to accommodate him. Now with all other teams on board, its plain ignorance for him to think at this point that he's going to somehow get special treatment.
I think some big changes are coming to stock car racing, Honda and Andretti Global are coming to what's now called Nascar. There's going to be a new racing league started by some very rich individuals that have ties to Honda and Andretti Global. I believe that new money has already had an influx based on what 23X1 and Front Row are doing. Michael Jordan already has ties to this new money organization through his sale of his basketball team. It happened to the PGA Golf Tour and it's happening to Nascar.......
I appreciate Rick Mast providing a perspective. If the team owners are ready to go racing with this new charter agreement and NASCAR is ready to put on the shows as agreed upon, then let’s go racing. A fresh new television broadcast deal is in place and new team sponsorship opportunities are awaiting the car owners. If some of the race team owners feel that they need to hold out signing the new charter agreement, then so be it. In the end, we will see if those teams are still around by the time these new charter agreements go into effect next season. Again, the bottom line is this is NASCAR’s show. It’s the only game like this around, so the teams play by the NASCAR rules or go home. Thanks to Risk Mast for providing his take on the situation. JMO
It’s not a sport. It’s a business.. It’s all about the sponsors. This guy is part of the problem. He’s ok with what they are doing. He’s afraid to speak the truth. Because he admits you don’t mess with nascar..
When Hendrick sign this deal as a business man he got best he could get he may not got all what he wanting but he understand how got something out of it and he looking at the bigger picture.
@greyghost293 You can't be serious. How much money do you think Hendrick invested into the series? I can't even fathom a guess. If you want to make that point, pick the smallest, saddest, most-losering team that got one. Idk who that is. Rick Ware maybe? Stop hating on the big teams that make the sport.
Rick Mast…spit facts man!!! You go! There is no need for a charter….Sir, can you imagine when James Finch takes Jake and another driver to Daytona in Feb?!…not saying he will, but Fiinch did it before
23/11 stuffed up it should have been a WHOLE owners protest rather than one or 2x teams trying to make a change. NASCAR im sure will humor these guys ..and then the ultimatum will come pay up or we bring other teams in and redistribute the charter. Let face it NASCAR could put on a good race with 30 teams so I say NASCAR is holding all the aces
On the other hand, nascar was more exciting when teams had to qualify themselves in and run unsponsored to get a sponsor and/or contract. ‘Rent-a-car’ rides on a fixed, tiny budget, and drivers with vision could go someplace (with skill). The iroc-type business model based on the highly controlled car design rules is what it looks like today- too much control imho. Even Mark Martin would have trouble getting in these days. So I see Denny’s perspective: if nascar is going to control everything and force teams to foot so much of the expense to comply? Either go back to freeing the teams to figure it out, or pay up to the people making nascar’s show possible. The ‘manufactured competition’ model sucks imho
Problem with this deal is that it could be 14 YEARS (7 years and 7 year option), a heck of a lot can change in that time in the sport, the econom and in business. If it’s important and you didn’t get it now you aren’t going to get it.
denny knew going into ownership, how it was. Now he is complaining about it. He knew charters cost if he went in. Now he is bitching. Denny makes 16mil a year. Sorry just wont feel bad for him or mj who is a billionaire
Nascar is already worth a couple of bil. Corporations always cut throat their employees if they didn't make an extra billion than the year before. When is enough enough?!
I'm not calling Rick Mast a liar but how many people could he have talked to in the garage if he doesn't know or refuses to say the name of Denny and Michael's team?
"balls" no it's just stupidity. 13 of the owners bargained and signed on to the deal. Including owners who have been in the sport for decades and know how this industry works. These two teams only screwed themselves and know have created an air of uncertainty in their shops including one who has two drivers in the running. They now not only screwed themselves, they created a worrisome uncertain environment where the team is not focused on winning but what they are going to do if the potential job loss comes to head. Nothing is forcing these two teams to stay in Nascar as there are more than 2 business men wanting an opening into the sport. Jordan and front row are free to go to CARS tour, WOO, TransAm, IndyCar but they won't because Nascar is the show in USA. Nascar can survive without Jordan and front row, Jordan and front row can't survive without Nascar and the opportunities it brings for sponsors.
@@MacNur-tu3cq After a year or so of supposed bargaining Nascar finally says F you this is how it is . Like it or leave it . Couple days to decide . Sign and agree to not make any money again while tracks and Nascar make millions . Or not sign and try to get it right ? If no cars show up are thracks and Nascar making anything ?
Some of you people need to understand. NASCAR is not a public company. It’s Privet. This is the problem with most of you people. You think you can control everything. Not a privet company. No one is forcing these 2 teams to sign anything. It’s all on them. Take it or leave. They have to answer to their sponsors. Not NASCAR.
it won't matter in a few more years.....look in the stands....lots of empty seats......tooooo many road courses....tooooo many commercials on tv.....etc....I quit watching NASCAR after Daytona this year because of the commercials...watching 4 hrs to see 1 hr of action....NASCAR IS KILLING NASCAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I feel Denny is just a trouble maker if he wants to own a team than drive for it . Than NASCAR can kick him out and anyone who did not sign.i feel that they should lose play off rights and deny to
NASCAR will survive whether these 2 teams race or not. They are just a little part of NASCAR racing.Someone out there will step right in and these 2 teams will be out and NASCAR will survive.
People need to understand, even Michael Jordan, that we don't always get everything what we want. There's always been sponsorless teams in NASCAR, even in the 1990's...btw
Kyle Larson drives an unsponsored car which is defined by who's paying the bill ...outside entities are a sponsor, and the owner is not considered a sponsor he's just being milked for his race team
@@letsroll492 He is sponsored by Hendrick Automotive, Valvoline, Cincinnati Incorporated, Freightliner and all the side sponsors for Hendrick. Your another nitwit fan that doesn't get it.
If NASCAR were to make changes to the Charter with 24XI, that would void the existing agreements with the other teams. There is no way they are going to do that. Jordan has to be made to understand NASCAR is privately owned and he will always be a "guest" in their house, free to leave if he doesn't like their rules or thrown out if he disparages them.
Contracts are amended every day and NASCAR will amend these once they get done negotiating with the 2311 team and everyone will tell Michael thanks bro😂
@@letsroll492 NASCAR doesn't need Jordan. Those charters already have new homes if he fails to sign, make no mistake about it. The question now is: Will NASCAR let those teams continue in the sport if they file a petition against them?
@BISSEYSZ no the real question is, can NASCAR handle the headlines the day after the charters expire??? 'NASCAR kicks out Michael Jordan, Bubba Wallace,only black driver in series' No they can't handle half their corporate sponsors leaving.. now that's some hard truth and Michael knows it🤔🤟
Yep. Agree. As a Chicago Bulls fan and a Michael Jordan fan I hope MJ and his guys and Front Row take NASCAR to court. They're just trying to get a fair deal like in the other professional sports. And in NASCAR the teams are more like the players in the other sports. Plus too in other sports the league couldn't treat their owners and teams the way NASCAR does.
I support Hamlin and 23xi standing there ground against corporate America bullies. This is why NASCAR is taking a shit. I'm supporting local dirt tracks and ustitle series pro division boat racing. Screw NASCAR.
Hello Rick. Let’s see here Denny n Michael what are you going to do. Sue?? For what you don’t like the deal than leave. The charter was to keep a fair market value of teams.
Between the france family and legacy car owners ,it s good ole boys club . If you arent in it well.......... And where are the disgruntled to go. Cant go to arca,xfinity or a couple other leagues. Why ? The france fam owns them as well. Why do you think Tony went into NHRA?
They wouldnt lie to me...BS but he admits they didn't give him any specifics! The 'guys' didn't know the specifics...but everything is ok....not really a bunch of bright bulbs
NASCAR is a business and has always been owned and operated by the France family. There is no surprise here! They post a schedule and the rules and regulations (good bad or indifferent) that must be followed before the season starts. A charter is part of that now. If you don't want to play by the rules, then that's fine. But don't start a bunch of lawsuits to try and take over the company and change the rules the way you want them. It's not your business. I don't agree with NASCAR very often. But I'm with them. NASCAR was here before you were born, and it will be here when you're gone! If you don't like the way it's going you can go sit in the stands with everybody else. Imagine going into a car dealership, not liking the price then filling a lawsuit to get a better deal? That's what this is. When something isn't fun anymore just stop doing it! And remember this is a billionaire causing all of this. He is trying to throw money around so he can brag about getting his way! His partner is just a pawn in his bigger game!
Ii'd tell ya what I think about TV deals but I can't say it here .I will say I like to watch on my regular tv here in Northern WI but most races arent on any channel I get..I wont pay extra and I dont have $ to spend to go see a race..so me the small guy is losing..more money people are getting more its always been that way..more fishing and hunting for me..can'tt watch NFL all game either...ITS ALL A LUXURY NOW for sure
Not a really an inside scoop here, just another generalized opinion or assessment without sufficient facts. Where is the ROI for the teams? Seems to be a lot of teams acting like sheeple, this is why Nascar will continue doing what they have always done, Managed Intimidation. What is the main reason it's so hard to get sponsorship? There is not enough value for the sponsor. The same is true for the teams. Imagine what would happen if our military just got tired of fighting the fight and walked away from the battles in front of them. IMO
Well, Rick was literally in the garage area Sunday in Atlanta talking to the teams about this charter situation, so I would say it's inside knowledge. Thanks for commenting! - Charlie
Psychoamlin will never win a championship! He does not have the mental toughness or "championship mindset" to get it done! He will take himself out as always! It says alot when you get boo'd at what you say is your homie track. Chumpion forever!!
You did an awful lot of talking but didnt say hardly anything we didnt already know ...Just a wasted 12; 28 for me.... Kenny u can do better than have this guy on again !
The day after that Charter expires EVERY headline will read "NASCAR kicks out Michael Jordan and only black driver in sport" Brass Tacks: TV Partners will never allow Michael Jordan to be run out of the sport like this😂
Rick everything's correct in the old world you don't understand the power behind a black owner right now NASCAR cannot control the sponsors that have to back Michael Jordan
Remember that teams like Hendrick, Rausch, Gibbs and Childress were given their charters. 23xi trackhouse, and others had to buy charters. Pretty crappy if the big teams, who have no charter investment to sign a deal that does nothing to them but still hoses the ones who had to buy in
Appreciate your explanation Rick.
Nascars tyranny has only been leading them to failure year after year. Look at all the tracks that demolished back stretch seating. Look at all the seating covered in sponsor banners. Tyranny from failed empires. That is the france ideology. Calling these "business deals" is equivalent to the green new deal etc. With all the ownership of tracks nascar should be taken to court for monopolistic practices. Its really annoying that nascar has tried to capitlize the way they have. Money from sponsors that has overshadowed great racing for the fans to enjoy. The france family epitomizes what its like to be a man in business and not a businessman.
The entire stock car racing world changed when TV ratings became more important than the race itself. Then Legal Gambling pushed it over the edge. The amount of money involved at NASCAR, top to bottom is ridicules! If you like racing, go to your local short track! Stop feeding the France Family Circus....
Hey Rick I enjoy your videos every time you post! Keep up the great content
MJ has fuck you money. RFK, LMC, Trackhouse etc don’t. They had no choice but to sign.
Not a Hamlin fan but appreciate anyone with balls to stand up to tyrants . Remember Roman fell .
No...Rome fell
@@davidhays5285 u r rite , I didn't catch it .
Give it up. Imagine being so dimwitted comparing Nascar to "tyrants" and the state off affairs to Rome. Jordan and front row don't have to be in Nascar. There are plenty of other businessmen who will sign the agreement as 13 of the major teams did and take their spots and participate in the biggest sanctioning in USA and north america. Nascar will survive without these two teams including one who hasn't even been around a year. No one's forcing them to stay in Nascar, if they feel they are so important they can take their business model to other sanctioning bodies such as CARS, WOO, TA or indy
Not a Denny Hamlin fan either.
But at least 23XI and Front Row have some balls to try and get a fair deal.
@@MacNur-tu3cqimagine being even more dim-witted as to think that NASCAR would let Michael Jordan and Bubba Wallace out of the sport😂 Nascar will be labeled racist the very next day and NASCAR doesn't need those headlines they've spent Millions for decades to change their image😂 NASCAR will increase the provisions for 2311 and for other teams and everybody will tell Michael and Denny Thank You😂
lol, Jordan is not going to roll over, Thats been the prob, drivers rolling over to easy. lol sheesh .
I love Michael Jordan.
He's just trying to get the teams some fair value revenue sharing like in other sports.
The other professional sports don't treat their teams that way.
@@RobertDetertIs that why other sports go on strike?
He will sign or not race next year. They have zero negotiating power.
When a major sponsor left such as nextel or monster and nascar became the primary sponsor of the series it was all over. The beloved sport we once enjoyed was gone. Also when nascar started buying race tracks to secure their foot hold in the series. Was the second shoe to drop. THAT IS DICTATORSHIP
Nascar holds all the power and why shouldn't they? They OWN the charters and have the power to rescind them. Dennis is playing with fire and stands a good chance of getting burned. He may one day win the championship, but he will never be a "champion." He lacks character and narcissism, arrogance, and entitlement are not good character traits. The best thing he could do is STFU and drive...but he won't, his ego will never permit that. LMAO@Denny
It will happen eventually. You and I probably won't see it, but it's coming! I've never liked the bully tactics that NASCAR has had over the decades. Bill Sr. was a major dictator. My way or the highway! NASCAR has to much power, and I'm glad to see someone shake the tree!
Agree.
They used to really screw over people from the North who tried to field a team in NASCAR.
Petty probably wasn't even that good.
NASCAR was always letting Petty Enterprises cheat.
Can you name some professional sports who are not run by bullies?
The racing world is almost stand alone. F1, Indy, NASCAR! Other sports NFL, MLB, NBA, etc., the players of they can't get certain things can strike, hold out, not sign contracts. The racing gods have the control. If the team owners would band together, and say no we're not signing that contract, what's NASCAR gonna do? Without the teams, there is no NASCAR!
@@kenruggles7039 B.S. without the tracks there is no Nascar. That's what the charter is for. Nascar calls the shots because they own it 100%. That's not the case in other sports.
@@shaynejenkins446 Long before NASCAR, the tracks existed. Racing existed before NASCAR! Being involved with NASCAR has always been a dictatorship and not a true partnership!
What about nascar viewers that have to trod tv ads every 5 min of race coverage
Going to be interesting if 23XI holds out, and gets a better deal than the other teams agreed to.
Owners should get together and start their own racing leagues
...or not show up at Watkins!
One problem.
NASCAR owns a bunch of the tracks.
Or else they probably could do it and put NASCAR the sanctioning body out of business.
Kind of like how Tony George it took.years and years but he was finally able to put CART out of business and have the Indy Car Series owned by the people who owned and sanctioned the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and the Indianapolis 500.
As CART was a group who broke away from the sanctioning body before and had taken over the series
And the speedway never liked that that had happened and formed what is now Indy Car to retake control of the Indianapolis 500 and the IndyCar Series as far as the rules packages were concerned and all of that stuff.
@@DavidClark-vu3dw This is what will happen NASCAR will call out to other series and local drivers to fill the field, there will be a show. It's their sandbox play by their rules or go home. It's been like that since Big Bill started.
@@RobertDetert if the drivers all get together from Busch and Cup they will have no choice to play along or shutter the tracks, fans will have to back the drivers but it can happen
@@bobabooey7088 Or us americans could stop buying gas and cars to bring pricing down. WONT ever happen though.
I know y'all scared to admit it but NASCAR is going to have to fold to Michael Jordan it's sad but let them push out black owner they will have people involved pushing narratives that NASCAR just don't want
The day after that Charter expires every headline in America is going to say "Nascar kicks out black owner only black driver"
NASCAR would lose half of its value in a day😂
Your not paying attention at all. They will sign or not race next year. Plain and simple. They have zero negotiating power.
It's a fact of life we aren't suposed to talk about but yeah. As a white person if I get I a argument with any minority it can't just be two people with a disagreement it has to be I'm racist. I thank a lot of the corporations walk on egg shells around race.
@@robertstone9988 well in this case Michael Jordan has done nothing but good things for the sport and whether or not people like bubble Wallace is attracted to 10% fan base
I call bs on most of this. The teams didn't want this deal. Nascar didn't give the teams a choice. They said sign it or your out. Problem is nascar doesn't have the balls to take Jordan's charters.
The U.S colony’s were under a king for decades. The founders said FUCK THE KING. Imagine if they took this guys advise and thought “you aren’t gonna bully the king guys” or “we aren’t gonna change the kings thinking guys” 😂😂. Change usually has to be forced
NASCAR is an entertainment business. The drivers need to study the death of vaudeville. The theater owners wanted to get acts to sign up for preset tours in theaters. The booking management wanted a 5% cut. The actors objected and wanted more (and now actors pay their agents 15%).
An act is worthless without a paying audience. How many kids pay drivers for their autographs? How much did NASCAR have to pay Chicago to use its streets?
And let us note that Denny Hamlin named his show Actions Detrimental, not Actions Incremental. NASCAR did not name his show. He did.
Not many here remember the drivers strike of 1969, France scrambled to find drivers and cars to fill Talladega race.
I'm no big fan of unions but they really should have representation that can back the owners up legally
Hey rick thanks for all ya do. Here is the deal with jordan. And like it or not it’s the truth. He Is a different animal. He is as big as nascar. Like it or not he is the biggest name in the sports and apparel world. His brand is bigger globally than nascar. They just won the regular season. They’re a chase contender. When they start winning titles. The credibility Jordan’s name brings alot to the sport and sponsor’s. So they are not bulling nascar. but the upside anything jordan brings if they start winning is very high so he wants certain concessions on future cars and stakes. By my estimate jordan increases overall coverage of nascar by 20% or more globally. and especially more in casual fan and blacks and nascar wants that demographic. And jordan knows it and he can deliver it. Not many people wake up and google whats rick hendrick up to. But alot of people want to know what jordans doing. It’s that simple
You're still a franchise just like NFL teams their individual owners but their franchise
What does having a charter get you, other than a guaranteed starting spot in each race? If Nascar decided to take away the charters of 23XL and Front Row and give/sell them to other teams, they still only have 36 charters, and start 40 cars.
Both 23XL and Front Row have their shit together that they wouldn't have an issue qualifying their cars for those 4 other non charter spots, and likely farther up the field than a lot of the teams.
The only time I might see one of their cars getting knocked out is if a different team brought in a road course ringer for one of the road courses as a 3rd driver, obviously not with a charter, than being a roadcourse driver, could maybe knock off one of the other 4, but that would be very few and far between.
Not much.
Most of the time there's not even a full field of cars anyway.
That's not true at all. Only chartered cars will race. Your making crap up.
@@shaynejenkins446 they have 36 charters and start a max of 40 cars, therefore there are 4 spots that are left open for non chartered cars.
Taking away a charter doesn't stop you from racing, just doesn't give you a guaranteed starting spot
What's made up?
@@viper29ca Do not use real facts--shaynejenkins cannot handle reality.
As much as I like Rick Mast and his great commentaries he comes off as old school, somebody that's not going to rock the boat and is going to kiss Nascar's ass. I really feel big changes are coming to Nascar. So many fans have left Nascar due to their dictatorship ways. A lot of fans are watching grass roots dirt racing, especially the two national midget series, USAC and the Xtreme Outlaw Midget Series and as Flo Racing and Dirt Vision offer more money to the TV rights the payouts are going to be larger and that's going to bring new fans and keep some of the top drivers in the sport longer. I believe we are going to see a merger with Nascar and a sovereign wealth fund......
NASCAR will be its own undoing. Super successful may ass lol. attendance at tracks has decreased for the last 20 years. replacing seats for condos and crap because current nascar blows.
Really good to hear from Rick Mast.
Hey Rick. Your analysis of the Charter situation is pretty much spot on and much appreciated here. Thanks for laying out the bare bones truth of the situation. 23XI and FRM need to take a cold shower and wake up. This won't go well for them IMHO.
Nascar has "never been bullied" but its gonna be interesting to see if this morphs into an anti-trust lawsuit. Dictator mentality often does not succeed in federal court. The style that made it successful may be its un-doing here. Its a restraint of trade but does Nascar survive a rule of reason analysis? Frankly it shouldn't ever get to the point that we have to answer that question.
Thanks for the explanation, Rick, and yes, it peaked in the '80s, recall those days well when it was both the legendary car builders and the new gen owners with extra bucks and computers. And now, with this divide between teams and sanctioning body, is it not like the bridge crossed years ago by rock stars and concert promoters? At some point the performance fees shifted in favor of the artists and the promoters and venues had to accommodate that, no longer were they just singing for their supper. Not saying what's what in this as I do not know, but with car owners basically dissatisfied, one wonders how much longer they'll be willing to get on the big stage at the next All-Day Circle Track Race Car Family and Friends Community Circus and Merchandise Extravaganza. And O for the days of Dan Gurney wheeling that big Mercury at the front of the pack at Riverside, so glad I got to see it as a kid when it was all so loud and colorful and cool.
Before Hamlin had his team together he was talking trash about how NASCAR needed to change their policies to accommodate him. Now with all other teams on board, its plain ignorance for him to think at this point that he's going to somehow get special treatment.
I think some big changes are coming to stock car racing, Honda and Andretti Global are coming to what's now called Nascar. There's going to be a new racing league started by some very rich individuals that have ties to Honda and Andretti Global. I believe that new money has already had an influx based on what 23X1 and Front Row are doing. Michael Jordan already has ties to this new money organization through his sale of his basketball team. It happened to the PGA Golf Tour and it's happening to Nascar.......
I appreciate Rick Mast providing a perspective. If the team owners are ready to go racing with this new charter agreement and NASCAR is ready to put on the shows as agreed upon, then let’s go racing. A fresh new television broadcast deal is in place and new team sponsorship opportunities are awaiting the car owners. If some of the race team owners feel that they need to hold out signing the new charter agreement, then so be it. In the end, we will see if those teams are still around by the time these new charter agreements go into effect next season. Again, the bottom line is this is NASCAR’s show. It’s the only game like this around, so the teams play by the NASCAR rules or go home. Thanks to Risk Mast for providing his take on the situation. JMO
It’s not a sport. It’s a business..
It’s all about the sponsors.
This guy is part of the problem.
He’s ok with what they are doing. He’s afraid to speak the truth. Because he admits you don’t mess with nascar..
It’s my understanding the teams got 75% of what they were in negotiations for.
If that is a true statement I’d say that’s pretty good!
When Hendrick sign this deal as a business man he got best he could get he may not got all what he wanting but he understand how got something out of it and he looking at the bigger picture.
Yeah but Hendrick paid zero dollars for four charters.
@greyghost293 You can't be serious. How much money do you think Hendrick invested into the series? I can't even fathom a guess. If you want to make that point, pick the smallest, saddest, most-losering team that got one. Idk who that is. Rick Ware maybe? Stop hating on the big teams that make the sport.
@@greyghost293 Your way high. Hendrick has put more money into Nascar than all teams combined.
Rick Mast…spit facts man!!! You go! There is no need for a charter….Sir, can you imagine when James Finch takes Jake and another driver to Daytona in Feb?!…not saying he will, but Fiinch did it before
No. There isn't.
But why should NASCAR makes billions while the teams get screwed over and are all losing money.
Yes because managing Nascar tracks doesn't take any money at all. They will sign or not race. Its that simple.
Teams wanted assurance their car was in the show to keep sponsors happy. Hence the charters.
23/11 stuffed up it should have been a WHOLE owners protest rather than one or 2x teams trying to make a change. NASCAR im sure will humor these guys ..and then the ultimatum will come pay up or we bring other teams in and redistribute the charter. Let face it NASCAR could put on a good race with 30 teams so I say NASCAR is holding all the aces
Nascar hasn't put on good races since 2004.
On the other hand, nascar was more exciting when teams had to qualify themselves in and run unsponsored to get a sponsor and/or contract. ‘Rent-a-car’ rides on a fixed, tiny budget, and drivers with vision could go someplace (with skill).
The iroc-type business model based on the highly controlled car design rules is what it looks like today- too much control imho. Even Mark Martin would have trouble getting in these days.
So I see Denny’s perspective: if nascar is going to control everything and force teams to foot so much of the expense to comply? Either go back to freeing the teams to figure it out, or pay up to the people making nascar’s show possible.
The ‘manufactured competition’ model sucks imho
@@jjmckay6man1 But you keep watching don't you?
@@shaynejenkins446 I might watch a few races a year that's about it. I used to watch every race and go to 3 or 4 per year.
@@shaynejenkins446 yeah I watch older races on youtube more. And these races put me to sleep lol something about the sound of the cars now.
Thank God for Jordan and Front Row
The other owners just caved in..
I.hope 23XI and Front Row take NASCAR to court and make them open up their books.
They will sign or not race next year.
If the owners and drivers got their way in the past, there would be no sport. I'm rooting for NASCAR.
Talking head for the France Family. Will look forward to seeing this play out in the legal system.
I hope the 2 teams take NASCAR to court.
They might not win but theyllmake NASCAR open up their books which they don't want to have to ever do.
@@RobertDetert Found another nitwit. What legal basis do they have to go to court. NONE
Very good information. 👍🤠🇺🇸
Problem with this deal is that it could be 14 YEARS (7 years and 7 year option), a heck of a lot can change in that time in the sport, the econom and in business. If it’s important and you didn’t get it now you aren’t going to get it.
denny knew going into ownership, how it was. Now he is complaining about it. He knew charters cost if he went in. Now he is bitching. Denny makes 16mil a year. Sorry just wont feel bad for him or mj who is a billionaire
He also knew that the charters were not even guaranteed to continue.
Rick, back off a little, you're too close to the sun...!😮❤
Nascar is already worth a couple of bil. Corporations always cut throat their employees if they didn't make an extra billion than the year before. When is enough enough?!
I'm not calling Rick Mast a liar but how many people could he have talked to in the garage if he doesn't know or refuses to say the name of Denny and Michael's team?
IT'S SUCCESFUL FOR THE TRACKS AND NASCAR BUT NOT FOR THE OWNERS !! I CAN'T BELIEVE ONLY TWO TEAMS HAD THE BALLS TO SAY NO !
"balls" no it's just stupidity. 13 of the owners bargained and signed on to the deal. Including owners who have been in the sport for decades and know how this industry works. These two teams only screwed themselves and know have created an air of uncertainty in their shops including one who has two drivers in the running. They now not only screwed themselves, they created a worrisome uncertain environment where the team is not focused on winning but what they are going to do if the potential job loss comes to head. Nothing is forcing these two teams to stay in Nascar as there are more than 2 business men wanting an opening into the sport. Jordan and front row are free to go to CARS tour, WOO, TransAm, IndyCar but they won't because Nascar is the show in USA. Nascar can survive without Jordan and front row, Jordan and front row can't survive without Nascar and the opportunities it brings for sponsors.
@@MacNur-tu3cq After a year or so of supposed bargaining Nascar finally says F you this is how it is . Like it or leave it . Couple days to decide . Sign and agree to not make any money again while tracks and Nascar make millions . Or not sign and try to get it right ? If no cars show up are thracks and Nascar making anything ?
NASCAR owns a bunch of the tracks.
Used to own them under the ISC banner but now they're also just under the NASCAR banner.
Some of you people need to understand. NASCAR is not a public company. It’s Privet. This is the problem with most of you people. You think you can control everything. Not a privet company. No one is forcing these 2 teams to sign anything. It’s all on them. Take it or leave. They have to answer to their sponsors. Not NASCAR.
Nascar is messed up like a soup sandwich!
it won't matter in a few more years.....look in the stands....lots of empty seats......tooooo many road courses....tooooo many commercials on tv.....etc....I quit watching NASCAR after Daytona this year because of the commercials...watching 4 hrs to see 1 hr of action....NASCAR IS KILLING NASCAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This aint Rick Mast's first rodeo, 23XI and FRM would be wise to listen to him, NASCAR ALWAYS WINS
That doesn't mean NASCAR is always right.
@@ricksmith1382 no it does not, and they have been wrong
Fighting 2 years for a charter agreement. How long have you been waiting for your guitar. Get Rick Mast a guitar
the france family wants to sell NASCAR and they need complete control to do that.
Thank you
Thats a nice way of saying NASCAR is one big shit show. 👍🏻
I feel Denny is just a trouble maker if he wants to own a team than drive for it . Than NASCAR can kick him out and anyone who did not sign.i feel that they should lose play off rights and deny to
Yeah you don't bully NASCAR I don't see no rebel flags in the stands no more
NASCAR will survive whether these 2 teams race or not. They are just a little part of NASCAR racing.Someone out there will step right in and these 2 teams will be out and NASCAR will survive.
People need to understand, even Michael Jordan, that we don't always get everything what we want.
There's always been sponsorless teams in NASCAR, even in the 1990's...btw
Kyle Larson drives an unsponsored car which is defined by who's paying the bill ...outside entities are a sponsor, and the owner is not considered a sponsor he's just being milked for his race team
@@letsroll492 He is sponsored by Hendrick Automotive, Valvoline, Cincinnati Incorporated, Freightliner and all the side sponsors for Hendrick. Your another nitwit fan that doesn't get it.
Not anymore.
Props to you Mr Mast! Good ole boy from the Commonwealth~No bullshit delivered in a friendly manner.
Remember the Rebels of Rockbridge High!
Is , what it is , business !
More control for Nascar, but all people have the remote control in there hands.
They were “forced” in that either they sign and race, or they don’t sign and don’t race. You’re free to leave NASCAR
lol you believe media
Great explanation I am glad you showed this.
If NASCAR were to make changes to the Charter with 24XI, that would void the existing agreements with the other teams. There is no way they are going to do that.
Jordan has to be made to understand NASCAR is privately owned and he will always be a "guest" in their house, free to leave if he doesn't like their rules or thrown out if he disparages them.
Contracts are amended every day and NASCAR will amend these once they get done negotiating with the 2311 team and everyone will tell Michael thanks bro😂
@@letsroll492 They have zero negotiating power. NONE
@@letsroll492 NASCAR doesn't need Jordan. Those charters already have new homes if he fails to sign, make no mistake about it. The question now is: Will NASCAR let those teams continue in the sport if they file a petition against them?
@BISSEYSZ no the real question is, can NASCAR handle the headlines the day after the charters expire???
'NASCAR kicks out Michael Jordan, Bubba Wallace,only black driver in series'
No they can't handle half their corporate sponsors leaving.. now that's some hard truth and Michael knows it🤔🤟
@@letsroll492 Michael Jordan is a man of Honor. He would never use the race card to negotiate. I'm offended on his behalf.
NASCAR survived loosing Earnhardt SOMEWHAT, They will get by without 23IV.
Rick Mast, brought to you and paid by NASCAR!! Another Sheep in the Herd!!
Yep.
Agree.
As a Chicago Bulls fan and a Michael Jordan fan I hope MJ and his guys and Front Row take NASCAR to court.
They're just trying to get a fair deal like in the other professional sports.
And in NASCAR the teams are more like the players in the other sports.
Plus too in other sports the league couldn't treat their owners and teams the way NASCAR does.
@@RobertDetert Zero legal basis to go to court and zero power to negotiate charters. They will sign or not race next year.
Dang man. Payments must be lost in the mail.
I support Hamlin and 23xi standing there ground against corporate America bullies. This is why NASCAR is taking a shit. I'm supporting local dirt tracks and ustitle series pro division boat racing. Screw NASCAR.
Hello Rick. Let’s see here Denny n Michael what are you going to do. Sue?? For what you don’t like the deal than leave. The charter was to keep a fair market value of teams.
Rick you must really be disconnected from the new world sponsorships have to back Michael Jordan which other words controls NASCAR
Between the france family and legacy car owners ,it s good ole boys club . If you arent in it well..........
And where are the disgruntled to go. Cant go to arca,xfinity or a couple other leagues. Why ? The france fam owns them as well.
Why do you think Tony went into NHRA?
☦️ God bless America 🇺🇸 lest we forget
They wouldnt lie to me...BS but he admits they didn't give him any specifics! The 'guys' didn't know the specifics...but everything is ok....not really a bunch of bright bulbs
NASCAR is a business and has always been owned and operated by the France family. There is no surprise here! They post a schedule and the rules and regulations (good bad or indifferent) that must be followed before the season starts. A charter is part of that now. If you don't want to play by the rules, then that's fine. But don't start a bunch of lawsuits to try and take over the company and change the rules the way you want them. It's not your business. I don't agree with NASCAR very often. But I'm with them. NASCAR was here before you were born, and it will be here when you're gone! If you don't like the way it's going you can go sit in the stands with everybody else. Imagine going into a car dealership, not liking the price then filling a lawsuit to get a better deal? That's what this is. When something isn't fun anymore just stop doing it! And remember this is a billionaire causing all of this. He is trying to throw money around so he can brag about getting his way! His partner is just a pawn in his bigger game!
MJ thinks he can get what he wants like he did in the NBA. That's the problem and NASCAR don't play like that. Denny picked the wrong business partner
Ii'd tell ya what I think about TV deals but I can't say it here .I will say I like to watch on my regular tv here in Northern WI but most races arent on any channel I get..I wont pay extra and I dont have $ to spend to go see a race..so me the small guy is losing..more money people are getting more its always been that way..more fishing and hunting for me..can'tt watch NFL all game either...ITS ALL A LUXURY NOW for sure
Rich people complaining about other rich people. Trageic.
Stay poor and complain about it.
@@shaynejenkins446 Right, kinda like being rich and bitching about it. 😂😂
NASCAR is going woke
Not a really an inside scoop here, just another generalized opinion or assessment without sufficient facts. Where is the ROI for the teams? Seems to be a lot of teams acting like sheeple, this is why Nascar will continue doing what they have always done, Managed Intimidation. What is the main reason it's so hard to get sponsorship? There is not enough value for the sponsor. The same is true for the teams. Imagine what would happen if our military just got tired of fighting the fight and walked away from the battles in front of them. IMO
Well, Rick was literally in the garage area Sunday in Atlanta talking to the teams about this charter situation, so I would say it's inside knowledge. Thanks for commenting! - Charlie
imagine imagining made up garbage lol.
@@KennyWallace36-Charlie @ 7:19 Rick literally says NO ONE gave me specifics.
Psychoamlin will never win a championship! He does not have the mental toughness or "championship mindset" to get it done! He will take himself out as always! It says alot when you get boo'd at what you say is your homie track. Chumpion forever!!
You may not like Denny Hamlin be sure as hell is your favorite driver😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@letsroll492 My favorite driver beats Hamlin all the time.
Click bait
You did an awful lot of talking but didnt say hardly anything we didnt already know ...Just a wasted 12; 28 for me.... Kenny u can do better than have this guy on again !
Typical NASCAR slappy
Stockholm Syndrome
They will sign or not race next year. They have zero negotiating power.
The day after that Charter expires EVERY headline will read "NASCAR kicks out Michael Jordan and only black driver in sport"
Brass Tacks: TV Partners will never allow Michael Jordan to be run out of the sport like this😂
Rick everything's correct in the old world you don't understand the power behind a black owner right now NASCAR cannot control the sponsors that have to back Michael Jordan
Hell Rick you don’t know shit about owning a team
He knows a lot of people who do though😮😊
I agree 100%!!!