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- Reassembly of the hydraulic lift cylinders on John Deere 624K loader.
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Andy, I love how you guys repair pretty much everything you own by yourselves.
From one insane animal to another. Andy, you're an animal. Great work as always.
Our shop had a metal rectangular box on castors that held floor dry, oil dry, kitty litter… the top has a expanded metal tray you dumped your used oil dry in. There was a 8”x24” opening at the bottom for your coal shovel to remove oil dry for spills on the floor. If it is too contaminated you would throw it away. If not, dump it back in the top. The box was around 24”x24”x48”. There was a slanted metal plate that when the oil dry was dumped in the top it let it drop to the bottom at the rear of the box. The top tray would catch any Vik pieces and not get mixed with the floor dry. This was very handy and used quite often.
I have seen on CEE Them using a hydraulic press to hold rod ends for disassembly. Love your content. 🎉
Love Kurtis's channel, doing machining on a massive scale!
@dsmreloader7552 same here. I hesitate to suggest anything to Andy he seems to react negatively to ideas.
That is what I used to do.
Used to clamp the rod in the press and support the piston end with the overhead crane. One inch Snap On ratchet with appropriate socket. Then get a pallet or two of tracks or lower rollers and drop it on the ratchet. If that didn’t work we broke out the slugger wrench and the sledgehammer. I was surprised at how much abuse that ratchet would take!
That was a task. Kurtis from Cutting Edge Engineering Australia does quite a few of these jobs on big machines including welding new eyes on. It is no easy task so credit where it due to Andy.
weld a pin to either a flat plate or channel iron that is long enough to be secured to the table with a couple clamps to keep the rod from turning. Also make a slugger wrench that will fit your socket drive. 20 lbs sledge will produce a lot more torque than the impact wrench
Used a slugger wrench many times.Always worked. Don’t think I can swing a twenty pounder anymore!
@@clintsmith559Force will prevail!!!!
Andy
I use a little kids swimming plastic pool from dollar general.
It saves me a lot of clean up
I noticed that it didn’t take long for you to look at that piston. Well done Andy, outstanding video!
Rebuilding skid loader cylinders today. Using your method of strapping them down to the bench to get piston nut off. Mine are also loctited and the piston has Teflon coating so I have be careful with heat. Have a good day
Thank you for the way you teach us.
When that second one came loose it was beautiful the pattern of hot oil.
Hi Andy !
Good job !
Thanks Andy for your time and everybody have a good day at the farm ! 🙋♂️
I keep waiting to see that little aluminum ladder fly across the shop like a 6 footer a couple years ago..
Wow amazing challenging job.
Well that was a workout!! It was great seeing so much of a job. great work!!
Get a replacement chain for your chain wrench and splice it to the existing chain effectively doubling the chain length. makes it a PITA to store the wrench but also more useful on cylinders. If you're going to continue to reseal cylinders think about making a special cylinder bench/fixture, 8 inch I beam with 1 chain type pipe vice bolted at the end and a second pipe vice on a slide mount that can be adjusted for length to match your intended cylinder either rod or barrel. use a piece of firehose in the vice to protect the chrome. make the whole vice assembly so it can be mounted to your bench or something big enough to handle what you are working on.
A tip maybe half that size might have worked better because more would go where you needed it. I was concerned that the piston would be damaged
I was concerned about the piston being damaged also
for many years i have 2 washers and driers one is for the barn or work clothes i use different laundry soaps for this to and the other one is for my good clothes
Yes that’s the way to do it
Good work Andy and team , there is always something to do when you have got plant/equipment
Thank you for another great video. Stay safe out there. Cheers
I’ve been strong arming bolts, and nuts my whole life and bought a impact gun. Made things better but always was things you had to put the breaker bar with pipe on and bounce, stand on, get the neighbor, drive the tractor on to try and bust them. Last year I got a torque multiplier. Just a cheap one to try out. I couldn’t believe just how much that makes a difference.
Another gooder von, Andy and crew.
Thanks for the journey 👍👍🍻
You sold me Andy. I’m switching from Tide to All. 😄
Hi Andy rose bud on torch works good for heating things like that gland nut up.. you might think about looking into an inductive heater like Bolt Buster works for good for heating nuts or bolts without destroying anything for different amounts! I’m an old time torch guy and was skeptical but was sold and love using it ever since! Keep up with the great concept always like watching..😉👍
Yet another excellent video, ive been doing some hydraulic cylinders lately and have had some success holding the rod solid by putting the eye end in the press if possible to hold it, just a thought!
Put a couple of raps of duct tape around the rod before you put the straps on and that will help the grip of the strap. We did this alot when we had to seperate section of a jack on hydo elevators.
Very good farm shop show,like wise I'll catch ya on the next one
Andy love watching your family channel you are avery hard worker
I notice from a number of engineering shops I follow that they'll use a press to stop the piston from rotating while supporting it in the horizontal position on jack stands.
Good timing on this video. I needed some motivation and some thing to listen to that's not nonsense while I'm working
That’s awesome to hear
Hi Andy. An OTC 7309 spanner wrench is handy to have around for these sorts of jobs (and it takes a long pipe easily). An OTC 885 is handy too for lighter stuff. But the air hammer (like you used) is your best friend for the really stuck ones.
With the not clamped down solid it’s absorbing some of the torque from the impact
The rod
Oh
Hi Andy, just wondering how many times the fire department has been called to your place ?! lol. Good job!!!! You got it!!!
Sometimes on those stubborn nuts I have gotten increased performance on impact guns by removing the quick connectors in the air lines and replace them with pipe couplers. It will give a little more air to the gun.
Well sense some cylinders the nut torque specs can be as high as 12,000 foot pounds. It’s not really that it’s stubborn nut. But more of a tight one. They use a hydraulic operated machine for loosening and torquing them. Not a impact 💁♂️😂
The straps holding the rod are absorbing the impact. Perhaps your hydraulic press is big enough to clamp the eye of the rod to hold it steady?
Andy, I’ve seen people put the eye end in the hydraulic press to hold it, and then support nut end a little, then take nut off.
Add some dawn dish soap it helps cut the oils and grease
Super clean in with the regular laundry detergent will clean all kinds of stuff off of work clothes
Hi Andy. !! We just took our backhoe to the dealership to have a cylinder on the hie rebuilt and they had to take it to a hydraulic rebuild dealer to do the work because it was spec to 4,000 foot pounds !!!! I couldn't hardly fathom why ?
Like the way you do things most people would leave the 3rd ram till it starts to leak and then worry about it LOL
5/10/24 that piston nut was a bugger
It may have been the straps that were taking up the impact force
You probably had the correct idea of welding something to your table to make it more rigid.
Allright bub
You got it
I'd hate to be in a fight with you
You'd never give up
Thanks Randy Smith
Boonville Mo
Impressive as to the work you do in your own shop
Another great video ! Thanks Andy....
Hi 👋 I never seen department of Transportation I never seen our mechanics take the cylinders apart four years they send them out somewhere in Syracuse
Christian seems to be a pretty good kid, he has a bit of spark to him instead of standing with his hands in his pockets.
We tried to take the packing nut off of a 643 feller buncher boom cylinder, we broke every breaker bar, pipes, torque multiplier etc. We gave up and took it to the hydraulic shop. That impact sounds pretty lethargic, needs a bigger hose.
I use Super Clean for spot treatment if I get grease on my clothes. Works awesome.
Awesome video thanks Andy nice job very informative thanks 👍🛠️🔧🚜🚜🚜🚜🚜
Figured you to use shout and cheer detergent
You might have to patent that old truck frame as a multi functional work bench ! 👍
I TOTALLY ENJOYED WATCHING THE VIDEO ANDY 😊
Andy, could you perhaps make a clamp with some Square tube weld on a couple cleats that you can slide a pin thru and attach it to the bench? That way, it won't go anywhere .
I learned a few years ago the torque on the nut is tremendous a main boom excavator is 4600ft lbs. I took the rod to 5 star they broke the nut and repacked it. I've also took them to Cat dealer im sure milton has a cylinder table in their shop. I watched them torque that cylinder up it was definitely tight.
A great video love seeing you working on the machines
That roesbud reminds of the space shuttle.
What I've done in the past is put the pin back through the rod eye up on the machine to keep the rod from turning.
Good Job Andy Thanks for the video's 🐄 🚜🌽🇺🇸👍
Lots of good comments below regarding holding the rod... I suggest that you make a rigid clamp to hold the cylinder rod - those ratchet straps defeat the blows of the impact wrench - they are too flexible...
Great work on the loader did you gave your helpers their hydraulic credits 👍🚜
Andy now after your boys got the hydraulics certificate, you can call Larson farm boys to clean that loader...
Some of the best wheel loaders ever made right there. Great vid!
I think you showed a washing machine that you use for your farm clothes in a video years ago but recently I was wondering if you had started using a uniform rental service because your clothes seemed to match other people working there. Your comments on this video indicate that you wash your own. The commercial laundries often wash with steam. When I was washing my own coveralls, I used ammonia to get the oil out of them. The local farm supply store had it fairly cheap per gallon. It gets the grease out and doesn't fade the clothes.
U need an 1/2 inch air line for using inch impact to get enough air supply for it to operate at full potential
It is 1/2”
Never run out of things to repair on a farm. I worked on a large (at the time, 1980) farm in Amenia NY. They were milking around 600 head vs. our farm in Northern NY where we were milking around 60. They had a nice shop like yours. I heard its now a golf course. What town in NY State are you closest to?
Syracuse
Cool with the simsalabim with the first head when it vanished from the tabele😂😂
Andy You're giving Your gum a hell've a work out! An old timer showed Me after heating a nut. Take a garden hose and cool it so You can touch it with Your bare hand. It keeps from ruining the threads. Brandonomics is raising Hell with parts prices. Same parts tomorrrow will be 750.00! Welcome back to the Carter years on steroids.
You do realize that when we talk about Jimmy Bob it dates us
we all ways used a lock tight that when you went to take them nuts off the next time all we had to do was take a air hammer and vibrate them good with it and then take the 3/4 impact to them and they came off with no heat and had no trouble with them
Great video!! Using a lot of skills..
you should spin the vise around so its over the table and clamp the big end into it. the straps act as a shock absorber can;t get the hard hits from impact that way
Yes just like having a heavily load truck with the wheel on the ground
Dude! I like your channel but you are over heating the nut and expanding the rod also! Should use your press hold other end of the cylinder! Keep up the great job 👍
2 methods over the years for that size ; yes one , BIGGEST pin you can on solid bench . # 2 turn 90* (holes sideways) plate over top and put in shop press , padded jackstand piston end . 10ft pipe & wrench is 2000 ftlbs with 200lb man .....
also , the PIN idear , need Vblock for piston end locked . then transfer energy well for nut just FYi from my past with Komatsu . press idear works nicely IF press good and stable .
this peanut gallery guy only in 5minutes . will see how you do in a while 😅😅
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Well from reading all the comments i cant find anything to point out where you could have improved other than letting them do the work for you 😂😂😂😂😂looks like its working and that is the best thing to end up with after you put it back together
There are a lot of techs that do this kind of work that like to watch my videos.I feel honored to have such a knowledgeable crowd watching, it means a lot.
Place the eye end into your press. Then remove the nut. Do the same when re assembling
Doesn't sound like that impact is any to good. Or not enough air
Oh gosh Andy, the safety brigade is going to be marching in because the young helper did not lower his forks to the ground before vacating the machine. :). Great video.
I know right
You must not do this enough to have a way to clamp the cylinder rod tight which is amazing for how many pieces of equipment has cylinders
Maybe you should have heated it up to get it super duper tight for the next guy who rebuilds it next time.
Just kidding there bub
Great video bub
Thanks Randy Smith Boonville Mo 5/10/24
Andy I think that you need a bigger rose bud for them nuts.
Andy, were the hoses on the cylinder's when installing the pistons if so this will cause resistance when assembling same. Good job doe.😊
Yes
You need a multiplyer tool that a 1/2" rachet turns 4 times to the 1 turn of the 1" outlet
What temperature do you keep the shop?
50 degrees
Your best idea was the one you didn't use. Stabilizing the rod with a pin through the clevis. To be most effective there will be a minimum of slack in the arrangement.
Ok
Stick Clevis end in hitch of something and build your self a 10ft wrench, every 100lbs on end of wrench is 1000 ft lbs
Exactly! Thats how I do it. I even broke a socket trying to get one loose on a Case backhoe. I then took the cracked socket and cut a hole in a 4 foot piece of 2x4x1/4 inch tubing that the socket fit in and welded the socket in the tubing. Then I took a 10 foot piece of 3 inch channel and stuck in the end of the 2x4 tubing for a cheater bar. I think it was Archidemes that said, give me a lever long enough and I can move the world. He wasn't wrong.
We used to replace the seals on the rams but we found it cheaper and quicker just to send the whole ram to a local company to get the seals replaced and we'd get them back quickly and it let us work on other things
That’s a good idea
where did you find the mini truck that andrew tool’s around in?
Hello Andy just wondering why it was necessary to take pistons off shaft? Is there a inside seal. Enjoyed your video have a great day
Who sells that rosebud for the torch it would come in handy from time to time.
A good welding supply house will fix you right up.
Andrew your a natural
Had one like that once heated in and put water on it then it came off
Suprised hobroken freight didnt have a socket big enough for that nut😁
Top man Andy🚜😄👍
Have you ever used fork extensions for your forklift
No I haven’t
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that is an outsourced part!!
Regular detergent. Cold water. Run it twice if it's oil soaked. It might not come out clean enough for church, but its clean enough to get dirty again.
Cold water eh? Is that my problem. I've always thought hot water for oil
@@agger838😂 yeah cold water doesn’t help with. Needs to be warm or use hot if the material can handle it.
I use warm, and spot treat with Dawn dish soap. The ladies in my family need sensitive skin laundry soap, and I don't like the smell of the pod stuff.
Are you and your daughters making any boxes this winter.
Yes
Andy, if you had more experience working on Deere equipment it would go better. In all my years working on my Deere 140 I never had any troubles. You'll get there Bud. Keep at it! (Just trolling- great job there!)
Andy, next time use your press to hold the end.
Red loctite takes 2 minutes at 500 degrees to release.
Let the air compasser build up and use 1dr socket
Those nuts must have had green lock tight on them. I have seen that before.