@@AaronTats CTC was truly a god ahead of his time for that one. To this day naysayers say it was an accident, but we know he was predicting tera poison years before it existed. Ms Cleo level read.
i think kyurem can be pretty oppressive but its role in the meta is also kind of important. in a world where rain is a strong as it is, dragon types are everywhere and bulky ground types are as vast as theyve ever been i think an ice type wallbreaker is kind of necessary. our only other option is weavile who is good but hitting on the physical side is less valuable for what youd want ice type moves for. Banning it comes down to whether or not its just too much of a nightmare for switching into or for teambuilding around.
It wasn't until the Poison Sting Clodsire was revealed that I realized you were playing the Hydrapple stall team that peaked #2 and Lily/Aislinn used in the OUPL tiebreaker lol.
The Industry has decided that in Gen 9, no matter how broken a Pokemon is. We will not be banning it. Gen 9 is gonna be about an OU tier full of Pokemon.
Funny how in previous gens kyurem was UU and even RU. But Ice is so strong offensively, and the other dragon/ice types got banned already in Kyurem-black/white and Baxcaliber.
@@Wafflefrieslmdh i personally am not fan of the ban, as I think the problem was with Darkrai, and lowkey Iron Valiant. They couldve hit hypnosis instead, sent darkrai back to UUbers (that still a thing?), literally anything differently. But, we are definitely comrades in agreeing that big changes like this need to be opened to community.
One question I never understood is-- in Kyurem's first three generations it was UUBL, RUBL, and RUBL. Almost no one used it in OU. Then in 8th gen, it went to Ubers, and then got banned to Ubers again this gen. Was it just due to getting Freeze-Dry in 8th gen? It seems crazy that one move alone took it from RUBL two gens in a row, to Ubers-- and Freeze-Dry, while good, is not as good of a movepool buff as compared to getting things like Knock Off, Scald, and Stealth Rock. On the other hand, I guess there's a history of dual-type Ice-types getting banned to Ubers and being too strong for OU once they get good STAB moves (Weavile, Kyreum-B, Kyurem)
Kyurem didn't just get Freeze Dry to destroy its water checks, in Gen 8 it also received Dragon Dance and a physical ice STAB in Icicle Spear. It required very different checks to what set it could be running. Switch in thinking it was the Sub/DD set and get destroyed by Specs Draco/Ice beam or vice versa. And because of Freeze Dry Toxapex/Tapu Fini were no longer checks to either set as well.
@@bigbirdman225 True. Chansey and Blissey could no longer be solid checks once it got DD and Icicle Spear, considering it has 130 offenses on both sides. Volcarona had decent typing and stats to take it on, but it couldn't hit Kyurem hard back, or take on physical sets
@@danielbarker2522If you had actually watched the entire video, instead of making an ignorant assumption, you'd know that he plans on covering that topic on another video.
6:50 actually, that crit did matter. i have it on good authority that that iron treads was running a Careful nature with 248 HP, 8 attack, and 252 spdef, and only 17 defense IVs in order to still get the attack boost. 252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Ice Kyurem Blizzard vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Iron Treads: 324-382 (84.5 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO btw, there is absolutely no wiggle room for this Iron Treads spread. if it drops attack by one more point it will get a spdef boost instead of an attack boost, and if it drops hp or spdef by one point or moves EVs from spdef to hp it will no longer always live. this is literally the only possible Treads he could have had to still claim hax
After 6 years of Playing Pokémon Showdown I finally gave it up yesterday. I’m tired of all the bans and the ban on spore was my last straw….can’t even use my damn Amoongus in teams anymore without spore. Looking forward to Gen 5 remakes or whatever they do maybe I’ll come back then.
I’ve been watching you since 2018 love to see the channel almost at half a mil!! You made me a Jolteon team a few years back and I still have it to this day, Keep it up.
Dragon isn’t a good STAB, especially when your other STAB is also super effective against the only type it’s super effective against. Being locked into Draco also leaves you in a spot where the opponent knows you have to switch out bc your SpA is dropped too low or bc they have a fairy type in. Ice Beam is much more valuable to pick up 2HKOs that Freeze Dry misses out on
@@AGRYTH Cap. Dragon is an extremely good STAB, and Draco Meteor is an extremely good move to have on a specs Kyurem. Joey even vocally says he wishes he had it in this very video. It hits many of Kyurems soft checks for neutral or 1/2 damage, leaving them crippled and unable to safely switch in repeatedly in a way the 90bp ice beam simply can't. The drop doesn't matter when you would be forced to switch out anyway. I'm not saying Ice Beam isn't a better choice here, but calling it a "*much* more valuable pick" is an exaggeration.
@@jacksonsmith2955 Dragon isn’t a good STAB, it’s just that there’s a lot of strong dragons and it just happens to be their stab. Only hitting one type super effective, being unable to hit arguably the strongest type in the game in fairy, and getting walled by arguably the other potential best type in steel is ass. The few instances you’d want Draco over Ice Beam are there, but they’re far less than the times you miss out on thresholds bc Freeze Dry is 70 BP and you don’t have Ice Beam
Its worse in OM's almost any ability is atrocious, which sucks cause I love it. The people making ban decisions are clearly biased towards favouring defensive teams and it's so boring.
& to think, we've never seen Kyurem in its prime with both Reshiram & Zeckrom Fused like Lore says they were once all entity. Id like to imagine itd even rival Mega Rayquaza, Fully Fused Nercrozma and Maybe even Arceus himself? At least in my headcannon
I played that exact same stall team today around 1750 on the ladder. Did that team win something cuz it seems like it's getting passed around. Also, why did that guy let everything get knocked when he had a sticky hold hydrapple? Lol
@@רפאלזטקובצקי-כ7צNah it is sticky hold hydrapple, it is a sample team. But the op is stupid for saying hydrapple should switch in against a poison type...
I’m about tired of these bans, sleep ban is the most aggressive thing in a long time. Now any sleep as a result of moves is janky asf, I hit a relic song for sleep and ended up stealing a game I had no buisness winning. It felt way more unfair than hitting a spore that the opponent knew was coming.
B-but the cartridge accuracy! _Pushes away toggleable timer, cancelable moves, and damage percentages being shown on the message logs that obviously exist in-game._
@@christiancinnabars1402Those things can all be done in game. You can use a ruler to measure the HP bar, but it's more convenient to just see the percentages immediately. You can always use a timer IRL if you're setting up a WiFi battle. The cancellable moves don't change the game at all competitively. You can write down everything that happens on a physical piece of paper. The only difference the logs make is that it saves time. The only changes that matter are sleep and freeze clause. These are mechanics that are basically necessary for the game to function competitively. Banning sleep completely is dumb, seeing as it hasn't been a problem all these years, but now that 2 pokemon have been abusing it for a little while they immediately ban it.
@@christiancinnabars1402ok i’m not weighing in on the conversation but none of those are even close to as egregious a deviation from cart mechanics as sleep clause
tbf fighting games are either designed to be play competitively or ban more stuff than smogon(smash; item bans, stage bans...) While with smogon, gf just makes the most broken pokemon and do almost nothing to balance.
Tbh honest the only bans I have supported were Chien Pao, Chi Yu and Sneasel, all the other suspects or bans can be handled, Kyurem is not broken is just a good versatile mon, the sleep ban you just made a lot of mons bad without spore or yawn when they didnt suspect it just bc they knew nobody would support it. I like the surveys, but too much bans too close to each other
They banned sleep just because sleep clause could not be physically duplicated in game and they want to be a simulator. They didn't ban because of balance but because sleep cause broke some mechanics when simulating.
If they should ban anything it should be terra, just like they should have banned z moves and all the other insane power creep crap that game freak come up with each new game. Kyurem is fine when it can’t terra ice and basically ignore any resistances as a result because power bonus is basically = to defensive resistance Terra is fine in the standard vgc format where you can have two mons target it and there’s no guarantee that they can terra into a type that walls both mons, but it’s a completely different beast in a 1s format where it can used to make mons beat their counters just like z moves did.
Ey Joey I still stand by my statement that if Nexus brought Kyurem in his first week of SPL that there were no switch ins: Timid does: 252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 108 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 192-226 (52.8 - 62.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
only because kyurem black had no physical ice stab to take advantage of the disgustingly high base 170 attack stat until generation eight where it got icicle spear
no? base Kyurem has been in BLs before getting buffed and banned in gen 8. kyurem-black has been an OU staple until it was banned in gen 8, before base Kyurem did
Tio kyuurem no rompe tanto el meta como se piensa, como bien comentan en los comentarios es necesario tener un wallbreaker de tipo hielo, banear a kyuurem sería dejar paso a equipos más stall, ojala no lo baneen 😢
@@Sebastian-zj6mq si macho creo que somos bastante hispanohablantes por aqui, yo ya estaba cansado de comentar en inglés y probé en español a ver que tal 😂
Kyurem feels balanced to me. Feels way less overbearing than the threats with 110+ speed AND powerful offenses. This gen's speed creep made so many old mons irrelevant
Can they just chill out with all these suspects/bans...At this rate there won't be an OU tier at all. Just ban every status, ban every move that does dmg over 80, ban crit. Code it out of Showdown. Just ban competitive pokemon in general why don't they
@tylervandaveer6208 I'm expressing frustration that they keep banning things. I'm for letting the playerbase actually play with what pokemon has to offer. Obviously, ban things that are too overpowered (Terapagos in OU, for example), but if you think it's low elo crying then you must not care about actually enjoying the game
@tylervandaveer6208 The council of this gen is a mess really you know they talking about banning 10 -13 Pokémon from ou Deoxys Gouging Fire Serperior Kyurem Roaring Moon Volcarona Enamorus Raging Bolt Kingambit Gholdengo Iron Boulder Almost 1/3 of the tier
@Ragoulas Bro why you ask for source and accusing me for making shit up How is that make any sense Anyway look it google “smogon kokoloco method” or some cringe shit like that Enam definitely in the consideration as ban worthy by the council
I’ll be honest, really surprised you haven’t made a video about the sleep ban and your thoughts on it yet. It’s definitely a topic that would be interesting to hear your thoughts on and seems weirdly under-discussed on TH-cam. Also, Big Bad Kyruem isn’t that broken, trying to get recs currently to vote no ban. Roaring Goon however?? Get that broken monster out of here please and thanks 😭
23:14 you were so dead man lmao +4 252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 1 ally fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Ice Kyurem: 465-547 (118.9 - 139.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Ye i super died but you’re calc is wrong. Forgot snow def boost. +4 252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 1 ally fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem in Snow: 310-366 (79.2 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
The main problem with kyurem being banned is the other mons that are in the tier, which are, a lot more used and a lot more powerful in a lot more situation from my experience, handled poorly and gambit sweeps no problemo, same with val or any paradox mons. OH, and the very idea of tera can really kill kyurem, wake's dragon water ? Oops, not anymore, now it's steel and resists your freeze dry, say goodbye to it as it knocks your kyurem out. This gen is already a burning garbage as it is due to how unbalanced the new mons are (From my experience at the least) and the council doing these bans are making it even worse.
You'd think Smogon would focus less on banning everything and start focusing on updating the Pokemon sprites in their simulator. We're over one year into the game's lifespan and the tier king is still a PNG, don't even get me started on the Galarian mons
@@pokeaimMD for gliscor and roaring moon you literally did the exact same thing - posted the 0 elo games then didnt do another vid. if you finish them, why not post the games that are good? I'm not tryna hate but even you know that playing at 1050 is not that interesting
that's not true lol, I have a ribombee video and a milotic video for my glsicor suspect run as well with the same account. im not 100% sure on roaring moon since its so far back but i usually post more than 1 vid on it. i just dont title it gliscor suspect run cause not as clickable a 2nd or 3rd time. sometimes i run out of time and finish them off vid too but i generally post more than 1@@ponger69
I will never forget the “stop telling me my team is weak to Kyurem” video
Man it's been so long since then lol
That video is classic.
since then I ALWAYS associate Kyurem with Joey
yeah good time,good time
A classic.
Shouldn’t be banned from OU, it can’t even learn hypnosis, it’s fine
Poison sting clodsire is definitely one of the sets of all time
i think people are running it because it has 56 pp and clod can win pp stall wars
@@stallempir3 oh yeah for sure. I saw one person run tackle dondozo for the same reason. It’s just wild that poison sting actually has merit lol
Proof that stall players don’t have brains
It’s almost up there with Black Sludge Bisharp
@@AaronTats CTC was truly a god ahead of his time for that one. To this day naysayers say it was an accident, but we know he was predicting tera poison years before it existed. Ms Cleo level read.
i think kyurem can be pretty oppressive but its role in the meta is also kind of important. in a world where rain is a strong as it is, dragon types are everywhere and bulky ground types are as vast as theyve ever been i think an ice type wallbreaker is kind of necessary. our only other option is weavile who is good but hitting on the physical side is less valuable for what youd want ice type moves for. Banning it comes down to whether or not its just too much of a nightmare for switching into or for teambuilding around.
Weavile is super difficult than weav cuz it’s a bulky monaronie
Well said I’d urge finch and the other scrubs on the council to consider this and how it would effect the meta
@@tazabstrakt2432go get your reqs my guy
@@tazabstrakt2432it’s a suspect test so the community can decide not the council
@@Saltyape0 fair enough would help if I read correctly
It wasn't until the Poison Sting Clodsire was revealed that I realized you were playing the Hydrapple stall team that peaked #2 and Lily/Aislinn used in the OUPL tiebreaker lol.
The Industry has decided that in Gen 9, no matter how broken a Pokemon is.
We will not be banning it.
Gen 9 is gonna be about an OU tier full of Pokemon.
Funny how in previous gens kyurem was UU and even RU. But Ice is so strong offensively, and the other dragon/ice types got banned already in Kyurem-black/white and Baxcaliber.
Kyurem got banned gen 8
It's been broken ever since it got freeze dry. It was UU and RU before freeze dry.
@@gamerkron2219kyurem-b was also in every prev meta, which is better at everything other than pressure stalling or maybe specs
@@gamerkron2219 It was banned to Ubers last gen because it got icicle spear and dragon dance.
@@andrewpaschall8992 well its wasnt banned 100% because of that set, but kyurem being able to run physical too is what pushed it to the edge
Did Finch lose to a kyurem in 11 turns again?
Yeah
I'm more concerned about the sleep ban tbh
Like Jimothy brought up too, they didnt even bring this to the community, it was a straight council ban.
OU council is and has always been a bunch of power hungry man babies. They have way too much power...
@@ladonmccabetotally agree. Like I’m ultimately ok with it but like It’s concerning if they’re going to make meta defining moves on whims like this
@@Wafflefrieslmdhsleep isnt meta defining lol
@@Wafflefrieslmdh i personally am not fan of the ban, as I think the problem was with Darkrai, and lowkey Iron Valiant. They couldve hit hypnosis instead, sent darkrai back to UUbers (that still a thing?), literally anything differently.
But, we are definitely comrades in agreeing that big changes like this need to be opened to community.
One question I never understood is-- in Kyurem's first three generations it was UUBL, RUBL, and RUBL. Almost no one used it in OU. Then in 8th gen, it went to Ubers, and then got banned to Ubers again this gen. Was it just due to getting Freeze-Dry in 8th gen? It seems crazy that one move alone took it from RUBL two gens in a row, to Ubers-- and Freeze-Dry, while good, is not as good of a movepool buff as compared to getting things like Knock Off, Scald, and Stealth Rock.
On the other hand, I guess there's a history of dual-type Ice-types getting banned to Ubers and being too strong for OU once they get good STAB moves (Weavile, Kyreum-B, Kyurem)
literally. it was walled to hell and back by bulky waters, so being able to click 1 move with little to no draw back changed everyone.
Kyurem didn't just get Freeze Dry to destroy its water checks, in Gen 8 it also received Dragon Dance and a physical ice STAB in Icicle Spear. It required very different checks to what set it could be running. Switch in thinking it was the Sub/DD set and get destroyed by Specs Draco/Ice beam or vice versa. And because of Freeze Dry Toxapex/Tapu Fini were no longer checks to either set as well.
@@bigbirdman225 True. Chansey and Blissey could no longer be solid checks once it got DD and Icicle Spear, considering it has 130 offenses on both sides. Volcarona had decent typing and stats to take it on, but it couldn't hit Kyurem hard back, or take on physical sets
sub roost variants already beat both those + clef anyway, but ye physical moves too@@drunyon214
Yo, just wondered why you haven't made a vid on the sleep ban
He been sleepin’ IRL. 😴
6:20
@@danielbarker2522If you had actually watched the entire video, instead of making an ignorant assumption, you'd know that he plans on covering that topic on another video.
Joey at around 25:44 you click ice beam instead of blizzard. What was the benefit of Beam over Blizzard?
ngl i think he just forgot he had it i think his brain thought it was draco
6:50 actually, that crit did matter. i have it on good authority that that iron treads was running a Careful nature with 248 HP, 8 attack, and 252 spdef, and only 17 defense IVs in order to still get the attack boost.
252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Ice Kyurem Blizzard vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Iron Treads: 324-382 (84.5 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
btw, there is absolutely no wiggle room for this Iron Treads spread. if it drops attack by one more point it will get a spdef boost instead of an attack boost, and if it drops hp or spdef by one point or moves EVs from spdef to hp it will no longer always live. this is literally the only possible Treads he could have had to still claim hax
It came in on rocks so it could have still died without crit. Also the game was won anyway.
After 6 years of Playing Pokémon Showdown I finally gave it up yesterday. I’m tired of all the bans and the ban on spore was my last straw….can’t even use my damn Amoongus in teams anymore without spore. Looking forward to Gen 5 remakes or whatever they do maybe I’ll come back then.
so does amoonguss run mono av sets now or does it run toxic i dont even know what it would run in last slot
I’ve been watching you since 2018 love to see the channel almost at half a mil!! You made me a Jolteon team a few years back and I still have it to this day, Keep it up.
Triple ice stab is wild. Why not Draco | Blizzard | Freeze | E Power. Freeze dry is accurate and still has good enough power I’d think
You miss so many 2hko without ice beam outside the snow that it's really not worth it
@@nicolasturetta7959 counterpoint: simply hit.
Dragon isn’t a good STAB, especially when your other STAB is also super effective against the only type it’s super effective against. Being locked into Draco also leaves you in a spot where the opponent knows you have to switch out bc your SpA is dropped too low or bc they have a fairy type in. Ice Beam is much more valuable to pick up 2HKOs that Freeze Dry misses out on
@@AGRYTH Cap. Dragon is an extremely good STAB, and Draco Meteor is an extremely good move to have on a specs Kyurem. Joey even vocally says he wishes he had it in this very video.
It hits many of Kyurems soft checks for neutral or 1/2 damage, leaving them crippled and unable to safely switch in repeatedly in a way the 90bp ice beam simply can't. The drop doesn't matter when you would be forced to switch out anyway.
I'm not saying Ice Beam isn't a better choice here, but calling it a "*much* more valuable pick" is an exaggeration.
@@jacksonsmith2955 Dragon isn’t a good STAB, it’s just that there’s a lot of strong dragons and it just happens to be their stab. Only hitting one type super effective, being unable to hit arguably the strongest type in the game in fairy, and getting walled by arguably the other potential best type in steel is ass. The few instances you’d want Draco over Ice Beam are there, but they’re far less than the times you miss out on thresholds bc Freeze Dry is 70 BP and you don’t have Ice Beam
An Aim video right as I'm about to eat dinner. What lucky timing.
*Bro we just got a ban on sleep, we don’t need another one ALREADY*
😂haha
There’s 10 potential ban may come out
Sleep was just the start
Well you can prevent the ban by voting!
Joey are we not getting a sleep ban video?
It's like discount bax, but it can also run specs, so I guess the issue is it plowing through mons that check one variant.
only 7 mons in ou resist specs freeze dry it just blows up everything it defo shouldnt get banned
4:00 wow I didn't even know ruination could miss
I stopped playing competitive Smogon for VGC and Nuzlockes, but this was a really call video to watch
Loving the daily content as always, aim. Keep it up !!
Love the video! Just used the team and can confirm kyurem destroys the lower ladder
They seem so ban happy this gen, barely giving time for the last ban's effects to settle down before starting a new one
Its worse in OM's almost any ability is atrocious, which sucks cause I love it. The people making ban decisions are clearly biased towards favouring defensive teams and it's so boring.
@@devonchafe2764Maybe because a metagame centered around one playstyle(whether it be offense or stall) is bad...
@@watery2211 nah pure defensive play will always be the inferior style, it's just slow and boring. Atleast hyper offense is fast and fun
@@devonchafe2764 gotta disagree, playing against stall is indeed not fun, but playing against lots of no-skill offense is some pure brain rot
& to think, we've never seen Kyurem in its prime with both Reshiram & Zeckrom Fused like Lore says they were once all entity. Id like to imagine itd even rival Mega Rayquaza, Fully Fused Nercrozma and Maybe even Arceus himself? At least in my headcannon
Kyurem fused with zekrom/reshiram is only 20 bst higher than regular reshiram and zekrom xD
I played that exact same stall team today around 1750 on the ladder. Did that team win something cuz it seems like it's getting passed around. Also, why did that guy let everything get knocked when he had a sticky hold hydrapple? Lol
Probably hyrapple was regen
@@רפאלזטקובצקי-כ7צNah it is sticky hold hydrapple, it is a sample team.
But the op is stupid for saying hydrapple should switch in against a poison type...
I’m about tired of these bans, sleep ban is the most aggressive thing in a long time. Now any sleep as a result of moves is janky asf, I hit a relic song for sleep and ended up stealing a game I had no buisness winning. It felt way more unfair than hitting a spore that the opponent knew was coming.
B-but the cartridge accuracy! _Pushes away toggleable timer, cancelable moves, and damage percentages being shown on the message logs that obviously exist in-game._
@@christiancinnabars1402Those things can all be done in game. You can use a ruler to measure the HP bar, but it's more convenient to just see the percentages immediately. You can always use a timer IRL if you're setting up a WiFi battle. The cancellable moves don't change the game at all competitively. You can write down everything that happens on a physical piece of paper. The only difference the logs make is that it saves time. The only changes that matter are sleep and freeze clause. These are mechanics that are basically necessary for the game to function competitively. Banning sleep completely is dumb, seeing as it hasn't been a problem all these years, but now that 2 pokemon have been abusing it for a little while they immediately ban it.
@@christiancinnabars1402ok i’m not weighing in on the conversation but none of those are even close to as egregious a deviation from cart mechanics as sleep clause
That loaded-dice Scale Shot is a crazy set and I’ve been guilty of using ot 😅
Watching with subtitles at work and sometimes the subtitles call kyurem kumrum interesting
I think both Kyurem fusion will be a problem
because u don't need to invest nothing in its attack or sp.atk
u can put it into bulk
my favorite thing to do in pokémon is spam ice beam so I hope that kyurem will stay in OU.
no wonder glaceon my fav mon in gen 4. nothing in game can take blizzards LOL
The first match his opponent uses a OU team from Aim. It has a few minor differences.
Im still upset about sleep ban and now they wanna ban kyurem? What ever happened to letting the meta evolve like VGC or fighting games?
tbf fighting games are either designed to be play competitively or ban more stuff than smogon(smash; item bans, stage bans...)
While with smogon, gf just makes the most broken pokemon and do almost nothing to balance.
Many of the bans in gen 9 have felt so bad that i dont really care anymore.
The intro is canon this time, based on b2w2 lol
i get so excited i see youve uploaded after expecting it all day
I'm not trying to judge how your kyurem works but might I suggest using tera blast electric and loaded dice scale shot and icicle spear?
joey's always indifferent about the suspect tests lmao
Me enjoying the content, patiently Waiting for the commentary video on the sleep ban in OU
ty for using the team joey! hope you enjoyed throwing off specs blizzards
Poison Sting Clod? Surprised the Blissey wasn't Oran Berry lmaooo
I think they ban too many things. Ice Chicken stays.
Tbh honest the only bans I have supported were Chien Pao, Chi Yu and Sneasel, all the other suspects or bans can be handled, Kyurem is not broken is just a good versatile mon, the sleep ban you just made a lot of mons bad without spore or yawn when they didnt suspect it just bc they knew nobody would support it. I like the surveys, but too much bans too close to each other
They banned sleep just because sleep clause could not be physically duplicated in game and they want to be a simulator. They didn't ban because of balance but because sleep cause broke some mechanics when simulating.
If they should ban anything it should be terra, just like they should have banned z moves and all the other insane power creep crap that game freak come up with each new game. Kyurem is fine when it can’t terra ice and basically ignore any resistances as a result because power bonus is basically = to defensive resistance
Terra is fine in the standard vgc format where you can have two mons target it and there’s no guarantee that they can terra into a type that walls both mons, but it’s a completely different beast in a 1s format where it can used to make mons beat their counters just like z moves did.
Can you do a bulk up gurrdurr showcase in PU? Thanks
“They can thunder wave me, I’m still better… toxic.” Respect
Joey you don’t understand what he was cooking with that poison sting clod
Not again my dragon ice type :’(
arctibax moment
Gee i wonder what a smogon admin lost to today.
It's like what Aim said, "yes, my team is weak to kyurem and so is yours."
nobody runs kyruem atleast from what i’ve seen on the OU ladder
Ey Joey I still stand by my statement that if Nexus brought Kyurem in his first week of SPL that there were no switch ins:
Timid does:
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 108 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 192-226 (52.8 - 62.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Bro got me wit the “it’s Amazon out here” lol
It’s absurd how much better Kyerum has been doing historically unfused than as Kyerum-black.
true
only because kyurem black had no physical ice stab to take advantage of the disgustingly high base 170 attack stat until generation eight where it got icicle spear
no? base Kyurem has been in BLs before getting buffed and banned in gen 8. kyurem-black has been an OU staple until it was banned in gen 8, before base Kyurem did
@@vxrznAnd this gen it got Ice Fang and Avalanche haha
@@HonkHonkGoose776wouldn't call it a staple... I can't speak for every metagame but it's barely usable in ORAS for example.
Tio kyuurem no rompe tanto el meta como se piensa, como bien comentan en los comentarios es necesario tener un wallbreaker de tipo hielo, banear a kyuurem sería dejar paso a equipos más stall, ojala no lo baneen 😢
Wow un comentario en español xd pero tenés razón
@@Sebastian-zj6mq si macho creo que somos bastante hispanohablantes por aqui, yo ya estaba cansado de comentar en inglés y probé en español a ver que tal 😂
17:15 Not the Poison Sting from clodsire
I'm done
every time aim says “i’ll be hitting it if you like it or not” I feel challenged personally
Squids being known their regenarative prowess, it's a shame that Tentacruel doesnt get recover
Please DON'T ban my guy Kyurem
Kyurem feels balanced to me. Feels way less overbearing than the threats with 110+ speed AND powerful offenses. This gen's speed creep made so many old mons irrelevant
Can they just chill out with all these suspects/bans...At this rate there won't be an OU tier at all. Just ban every status, ban every move that does dmg over 80, ban crit. Code it out of Showdown. Just ban competitive pokemon in general why don't they
Post elo lol
@tylervandaveer6208 I'm expressing frustration that they keep banning things. I'm for letting the playerbase actually play with what pokemon has to offer. Obviously, ban things that are too overpowered (Terapagos in OU, for example), but if you think it's low elo crying then you must not care about actually enjoying the game
@tylervandaveer6208
The council of this gen is a mess really you know they talking about banning 10 -13 Pokémon from ou
Deoxys
Gouging Fire
Serperior
Kyurem
Roaring Moon
Volcarona
Enamorus
Raging Bolt
Kingambit
Gholdengo
Iron Boulder
Almost 1/3 of the tier
@@badsolja1 source? Enam ban lmao you make funny shit up dude.
@Ragoulas
Bro why you ask for source and accusing me for making shit up
How is that make any sense
Anyway look it google “smogon kokoloco method” or some cringe shit like that
Enam definitely in the consideration as ban worthy by the council
Is kyurem broken? Probably.
Is it more broken than kingambit? Volcarona? Possibly still gholdengo?
Naah
why don't you have Draco?
You stayed in confident you'd survive the CC from Hawlucha, and 2hko'ed through a defensive tera. Seems pretty busted to me
I still think banning everything in the game is the only way to be fair
The amount of “we should ban these Pokémon” going on this generation is insane
I’m so tired of them banning mons, let us have fun with broken mons (not too Brocken) 😭
Is this the place for Pokemon knowledge?
no, the cult meetings are on thursdays
They don’t want and Ice/Dragon type to succeed 😢😢😢😢 first Bax abs now dollar tree Bax you hate to see it
I just love 2hkoing clefs corvs and shit with Tera Ice specs
Ban Gholdengo or King Gambit challenge
(Nightmare edition)
(you have to sign a waiver to play)
Kyurem is easily countered by tera fairy spore breloom. ZU at best.
Except spore is banned
@@EggscellentTreethat's why they want to ban him 😔
Need to make a video talking about sleep ban (which is stupid)
I like to think of kyurem as a no bs breaker to the bs in OU
I’ll be honest, really surprised you haven’t made a video about the sleep ban and your thoughts on it yet. It’s definitely a topic that would be interesting to hear your thoughts on and seems weirdly under-discussed on TH-cam.
Also, Big Bad Kyruem isn’t that broken, trying to get recs currently to vote no ban. Roaring Goon however?? Get that broken monster out of here please and thanks 😭
Scarf kyruem is my duct tape over massive leak meme. Not sure how to finish up a team? Just slap scarf kyruem on it. I would hate to see it banned
Real OGs know this is a reupload
Good video, but I think your team is a little weak to Kyurem. Maybe you should fix it
23:14 you were so dead man lmao
+4 252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 1 ally fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Ice Kyurem: 465-547 (118.9 - 139.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Ye i super died but you’re calc is wrong. Forgot snow def boost. +4 252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 1 ally fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem in Snow: 310-366 (79.2 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
He’s just so cool
I'm a miss you kyurem 😔
The main problem with kyurem being banned is the other mons that are in the tier, which are, a lot more used and a lot more powerful in a lot more situation from my experience, handled poorly and gambit sweeps no problemo, same with val or any paradox mons. OH, and the very idea of tera can really kill kyurem, wake's dragon water ? Oops, not anymore, now it's steel and resists your freeze dry, say goodbye to it as it knocks your kyurem out. This gen is already a burning garbage as it is due to how unbalanced the new mons are (From my experience at the least) and the council doing these bans are making it even worse.
I don't want it banned, it would leave a hole for so many other mons to be broken instead.
Joey once again gaslighting himself into thinkijg he's not weak to Kyurem and that it's fine in the meta
the council of clowns in gen 9 just wanna ban anything that beats them more than 2 games
THEY BETTER NOT BAN MY BOY!!!!!! OR ELSE!!!!!!!
This man keeps us fed so consistently!!!
It wouldn't be that strong if it didn't get access to freeze dry
I feel like Kyurem has way too many sets that just dismantle every defensive core.
Hey Joey, you’re team is looking a little weak to Kyurem.
am i in viridian forest lmao
Kyruem?? Didnt know he was even a problem lol oh well see ya
Day 3 of requesting Emvee week
Maaaan use air balloon tinkaton problem solved😂
The baxcalibur 2.0
You'd think Smogon would focus less on banning everything and start focusing on updating the Pokemon sprites in their simulator. We're over one year into the game's lifespan and the tier king is still a PNG, don't even get me started on the Galarian mons
Smogon doesn't make the sprites for showdown. It's one person that doesn't even get paid to do it. Be happy we have a simulator at all lol
the 1000 elo games into never touch suspect account again. just use the mon on a regular account bro 😭
Ive finished like 4 out of the past 5 suspects bro lmao
@@pokeaimMD for gliscor and roaring moon you literally did the exact same thing - posted the 0 elo games then didnt do another vid. if you finish them, why not post the games that are good? I'm not tryna hate but even you know that playing at 1050 is not that interesting
that's not true lol, I have a ribombee video and a milotic video for my glsicor suspect run as well with the same account. im not 100% sure on roaring moon since its so far back but i usually post more than 1 vid on it. i just dont title it gliscor suspect run cause not as clickable a 2nd or 3rd time. sometimes i run out of time and finish them off vid too but i generally post more than 1@@ponger69
First sleep and now kyriuem
Kyurem? Lol ghold, king and val gotta be invisible or something.