@@andyliebermann5244 isn’t that question 0.1? And yes, I feel your pain. I have 11 games stored by my daughter (my “annex”, except she refuses to take more), 10 on the floor, and 27 on the way.
Revelation for me - the question you posed that if the game was available at retail for the same price would you buy it today and walk out of the store with it… many times for games that I have backed, my answer would have been no. What the hell am I doing?!? I must value something about the experience if I’m willing to pay extra to wait two years. I think the anticipation of receiving a game must be higher pleasure than having it on my shelf. But that feels a little icky
Some time ago you made a video where you made the statement "Don't back a game for hype, fame, or what if.." and I feel like that became my crowdfunding mantra since. My issues in the past was that sometimes I would back games just because the box or game itself looked beautiful and I slowly realized that terrible system for backing games that would probably never get played. In 2020-2022, i backed like 12 project, last year it was 5 projects, and this year I've only backed one. I'm currently culling games I don't plan on playing or didn't like as much I had hope. And I'm making more time to enjoy the games that I do have!
Your thumbnail looked like "Should You Pack That?" and the first thing I thought was "There ain't no way you're getting Slay the Spire in your luggage!"
I wish I had kickstarter wisdom when I first joined the hobby. I still have games I can't sell for example Hall of the Mountain king. I think the hardest thing about kickstarter is content always talks about how the game is the next best thing for a lot kickstarter games.
Do you want it? Are you sure? Are you really sure? These are the only 3 questions I ask. With a 4th bonus question after I get it. Now, who are you going to play it with? Oops
It is amazing to see that everyone will have its personnal questions to answer before backing a game. For me the questions are more like : Does this game appeals to me ? If yes, does this game crowdfunding exclusive ? If yes, do i have one other game like this in my little collection of soon to be 30 games ? if no then Does the creator / publisher reveals red flags ? if no, then back, else pass.
I find the crowd funding journey with: all the updates, community and their input (taken seriously by good campaigns), a sense of shared game development, slowly released "extra content", etc, to help convince me to back something (if the early bird special didn't already make me lol). Or at least it helps ironically retroactively justify the pledge (which could generally be canceled/ refunded anyway). Buying it off the shelf has none of that. Imo it adds a lot of value typically, although sometimes i rather wait for retail and save on shipping (possibly missing out on KS exclusives). Anyway my new general strat is unless something is super attractive, like for video games i don't mind waiting years for it to be much cheaper. I have dozens of unplayed games with monster hunter all in and more coming which will strain storage space.
I don't like to play board games on PC to try it out. Why? Because board games are board games. I love to touch the parts, cards, minis, meeples, tokens, etc. After 30 years of PC gaming it's a relief that i can "manage the parts" with hands around!
So often I find the impulse to get games that might not even match what I enjoy or would pick up on the shelf at the store comes down to FOMO. I was dealing with that a lot lately and reeled myself in on it, when the mythwind reprint went live I immediately hit all in, and then was like well, let's be smart about this. From what I've seen I'll enjoy it, but that doesn't mean it'll be a good match when it's on the table in front of me, so I dropped back to just the core game and metal coins, I'll get the rest of the content later when they do their next round of crowdfunding with the next expansions if I find that It really does cibe for me. Grest take as always Alex!
@@JJ_TheGreat - Space? We can always find places to store a game... and forget where we put it. Time? We will eventually find time to play that Kickstarter game we spent hundreds of dollars on and that has been sitting on our board game shelf for a couple of years. We SO will find time... seriously... someday... you'll see... Shut up!
Having this issue with The Dead Keep, tempting but I don't know if going for a zombicidde and Cthulu seperately may be the better call. Appreciate anyones help as I don't own either.
What seems attractive in The Dead Keep, Zombicide and Cthulhu DMD? Why not massive darkness? Or even other publishers with similar games like lobotomy, deep madness etc. which player count? How long? Do you care about set up/tear down? Do you care about price or storage space? Just trying to figure out what you’re looking for first before recommending anything.
After going on a backing spree a few years ago i started to question myself and ended up cancelling most pledges. I realised that i wasn't that interested in some and got caught in fomo. And others i would never have time or people to play with. Only game i kept on pure hope is primal and it just arrived today. I'm still excited to play it at least but its a beast!
I personally have gotten far better at being able to judge my reason for wanting to back a game. More often than not its about the hype and I am able to realize that its not really for me. That said the on game that I wish I had not talked myself out of I am now truly regretting is CMON's Master of the Universe. Otherwise every game that I have backed away from and talked through and not backed I realize I made the right decision.
I already back very little project because I hate waiting on a game to arrive. Even 1 week shipping feels too long. If the game is going to be readily available at retail, I am not jumping in. Plus i barely even pay shipping at retail while crowfunding shipping is quite inflated.
3 ones are fine, just... too general and answer to them is usually too generalized too. If it goes to crowdfunding first two are more or less feeling.. and third one... well, its just a guess, nobody (well..) will buy a game with intention not to play it, it just happens. But 4. one, damn thats good, its very specific question with specific yes/no answer. And thinking about it and looking at collection, i see that many times my answer would be no.. without even considering good/bad price. This question literally cuts fomo as you probably dont buy games from store because you have time limited window (even if often you have limited time window, but you are not being pressed). Darn it, going to ask that question myself from now on 🤔.
Well, people have different reasons to back games. My impression is that a lot of people just back a game because of FOMO, money investment or because they have too much money and think they need to support the creator.
I'd suggest you watch the Shut Up & Sit Down review of Slay the Spire before you do. That comes from someone who loves the videogame (both me and the reviewer).
Question 0: can I afford said game?
Question 0 part two: do I have room for said game?
@@andyliebermann5244 isn’t that question 0.1? And yes, I feel your pain. I have 11 games stored by my daughter (my “annex”, except she refuses to take more), 10 on the floor, and 27 on the way.
We do not ask question 0
@@gabrielm.k.8094 I’m still married, so I have to ask. Or have it asked of me, which is worse.
@@sethwinslow anyone asks, got it on a @boardgameco giveaway... 🤣
Revelation for me - the question you posed that if the game was available at retail for the same price would you buy it today and walk out of the store with it… many times for games that I have backed, my answer would have been no. What the hell am I doing?!? I must value something about the experience if I’m willing to pay extra to wait two years. I think the anticipation of receiving a game must be higher pleasure than having it on my shelf. But that feels a little icky
Some time ago you made a video where you made the statement "Don't back a game for hype, fame, or what if.." and I feel like that became my crowdfunding mantra since.
My issues in the past was that sometimes I would back games just because the box or game itself looked beautiful and I slowly realized that terrible system for backing games that would probably never get played. In 2020-2022, i backed like 12 project, last year it was 5 projects, and this year I've only backed one. I'm currently culling games I don't plan on playing or didn't like as much I had hope. And I'm making more time to enjoy the games that I do have!
I'd add one more question specific to "backing" a game: Can I afford to spend this money on a thing that I may not get?
Good question nowadays!
Your thumbnail looked like "Should You Pack That?" and the first thing I thought was "There ain't no way you're getting Slay the Spire in your luggage!"
I wish I had kickstarter wisdom when I first joined the hobby. I still have games I can't sell for example Hall of the Mountain king. I think the hardest thing about kickstarter is content always talks about how the game is the next best thing for a lot kickstarter games.
Do you want it? Are you sure? Are you really sure?
These are the only 3 questions I ask.
With a 4th bonus question after I get it. Now, who are you going to play it with?
Oops
Getting much better at both asking q3 and answering it accurately. Enjoyed this one.
It is amazing to see that everyone will have its personnal questions to answer before backing a game.
For me the questions are more like :
Does this game appeals to me ? If yes, does this game crowdfunding exclusive ? If yes, do i have one other game like this in my little collection of soon to be 30 games ? if no then Does the creator / publisher reveals red flags ? if no, then back, else pass.
I find the crowd funding journey with: all the updates, community and their input (taken seriously by good campaigns), a sense of shared game development, slowly released "extra content", etc, to help convince me to back something (if the early bird special didn't already make me lol). Or at least it helps ironically retroactively justify the pledge (which could generally be canceled/ refunded anyway). Buying it off the shelf has none of that.
Imo it adds a lot of value typically, although sometimes i rather wait for retail and save on shipping (possibly missing out on KS exclusives). Anyway my new general strat is unless something is super attractive, like for video games i don't mind waiting years for it to be much cheaper. I have dozens of unplayed games with monster hunter all in and more coming which will strain storage space.
I don't like to play board games on PC to try it out. Why? Because board games are board games. I love to touch the parts, cards, minis, meeples, tokens, etc. After 30 years of PC gaming it's a relief that i can "manage the parts" with hands around!
These days, it seems all the really good games end up coming back to Kickstarter for an expansion or reprint.
Some sound advice. We have two campaign games. No more until either played or sold.
So often I find the impulse to get games that might not even match what I enjoy or would pick up on the shelf at the store comes down to FOMO. I was dealing with that a lot lately and reeled myself in on it, when the mythwind reprint went live I immediately hit all in, and then was like well, let's be smart about this. From what I've seen I'll enjoy it, but that doesn't mean it'll be a good match when it's on the table in front of me, so I dropped back to just the core game and metal coins, I'll get the rest of the content later when they do their next round of crowdfunding with the next expansions if I find that It really does cibe for me.
Grest take as always Alex!
My most important question is: Do I have the money?
...What about the space to store it? What about the time to play it?
@@JJ_TheGreat - Space? We can always find places to store a game... and forget where we put it.
Time? We will eventually find time to play that Kickstarter game we spent hundreds of dollars on and that has been sitting on our board game shelf for a couple of years. We SO will find time... seriously... someday... you'll see... Shut up!
@EfrainRiveraJunior wow, this hits so close to home...I mean, yeah you tell em!
@@TabletopTussle - 🤣
Question 4 is the magic one. A very good one.
Having this issue with The Dead Keep, tempting but I don't know if going for a zombicidde and Cthulu seperately may be the better call. Appreciate anyones help as I don't own either.
What seems attractive in The Dead Keep, Zombicide and Cthulhu DMD?
Why not massive darkness? Or even other publishers with similar games like lobotomy, deep madness etc. which player count? How long? Do you care about set up/tear down? Do you care about price or storage space?
Just trying to figure out what you’re looking for first before recommending anything.
After going on a backing spree a few years ago i started to question myself and ended up cancelling most pledges.
I realised that i wasn't that interested in some and got caught in fomo. And others i would never have time or people to play with.
Only game i kept on pure hope is primal and it just arrived today. I'm still excited to play it at least but its a beast!
Primal is great :)
Yep. I’m just waiting for retail for waaay cheaper nowadays.
Thank you for this video, helping customers making better decisions
I personally have gotten far better at being able to judge my reason for wanting to back a game. More often than not its about the hype and I am able to realize that its not really for me. That said the on game that I wish I had not talked myself out of I am now truly regretting is CMON's Master of the Universe. Otherwise every game that I have backed away from and talked through and not backed I realize I made the right decision.
Of course i should have; it had cute mice characters and a pun for a name!
I already back very little project because I hate waiting on a game to arrive. Even 1 week shipping feels too long. If the game is going to be readily available at retail, I am not jumping in. Plus i barely even pay shipping at retail while crowfunding shipping is quite inflated.
3 ones are fine, just... too general and answer to them is usually too generalized too. If it goes to crowdfunding first two are more or less feeling.. and third one... well, its just a guess, nobody (well..) will buy a game with intention not to play it, it just happens.
But 4. one, damn thats good, its very specific question with specific yes/no answer. And thinking about it and looking at collection, i see that many times my answer would be no.. without even considering good/bad price.
This question literally cuts fomo as you probably dont buy games from store because you have time limited window (even if often you have limited time window, but you are not being pressed).
Darn it, going to ask that question myself from now on 🤔.
Well, people have different reasons to back games.
My impression is that a lot of people just back a game because of FOMO, money investment or because they have too much money and think they need to support the creator.
What about the space to store it? What about the time to play it?
Got Slay the Spire on Steam today on sale, time to spend more money on the board game version!
I'd suggest you watch the Shut Up & Sit Down review of Slay the Spire before you do. That comes from someone who loves the videogame (both me and the reviewer).
Let's be honest, there is really only one relevant question:
Has my liver grown back enough allready. 😏
Ouch
7:17 Maybe because you can only play the game online - and you don't play games online...
Goodification
Exactly
Uwe is a German name, and it is pronounced oo-vey. This bugs me way more than it should every time I hear you say it.