Disney and Sequels
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Sequels are great. Sometimes. SOMETIMES. They can be an amazing way to expand a world, revisit fan-favorite characters and tell interesting stories. They can also be good ways to make money. Money is good. Bad sequels, however, are not. I feel like I'm speaking riddle right now. I just think Disney's making to many dang sequels!
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Frozen 1 Teaser: ❄☃Haha silly reindeer and snowman fight over carrot haha slip on ice! 😄😄
Frozen 2 Teaser: Death comes for us all.
Frozen 3 Teaser: *Elsa puts on space helmet and flies into the sun
Frozen 5 Teaser: Literally just Elsa making a merch store and making billions of dollars
Frozen 6: olaf sees his entire family get murdered, continuing his villan arch.
Frozen 7: everyone freezes and it's completely over 🤷🏻♂️
@@BrettDault Frozen 8: heat wave. Everyone’s back. But… Olaf 😟
You know the sequels are an issue when THE PARKS youtubers have to talk about it.
It is all connected, in a way. The success of their films and streaming directly ties to developments in the parks. The parks have been so conservative with new additions lately because they're using its profits to prop up their other divisions.
Universal is announcing a whole new ambitious, immersive park to eat Disney's lunch right off their plate, and Disney's biggest response they can muster is retheming Splash Mountain. That's all because they can't afford a bigger response because their films are flopping.
@@Vantastic789 And I oop-
@@Vantastic789 I cannot wait for Epic to open 🤯
I was confused too!
@@BrettDault yeah I can't wait for more Universal rides to put me in the hospital during a trip.
None of this would’ve happened if they still had Peoplemover in Disneyland
Facts.
Coming soon Peoplemover The Movie!
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@@GLJoshdamn that movie would do better than Wish😂
The biggest difference between Eisner and Iger is that Mikey knew that he needed to protect The prestige of the cinematic animated features in order to keep the machine running. He went for the cash grab by making the straight to video sequels and the TV shows. Iger very arrogantly assumes the audience will be there no matter what, failing to realize that he is demeaning the prestige of the main studio with this cynical strategy.
Wish did awful at the box office. He’ll soon see fans won’t be there no matter what
'The first Toy Story movie since 2019", Bob Iger really didn't want to say Toy Story 5......
Yah, that was such a weird way to phrase it
I guess Lightyear doesn't count.
Not just Disney but Hollywood in general. They just won’t let franchises end
I worked on the marketing for Frozen. It was frustrating because that was when Disney was only interested in a male audience. Even though people showed up for The Princess and the Frog, boys didn't, so as far as they were concerned anything with "princess" in it was poison. That's how Rapunzel became Tangled and why Flynn Ryder was suddenly the star of the show. With Frozen they were determined to make kids think it was Ice Age with Magic Snowmen. We were forbidden even to talk about the sisters, even though "Let it Go" had gotten a huge reception at D23 and, um, that's what the movie was about.
This is a really interesting insight into how marketing works behind the scenes; a lot of people aren't aware of the strange directions that are given by companies to their advertising and marketing teams based on what is and is not "doing well" according to their data and overall reception. Probably slightly unpopular opinion, but I don't hate the direction of the one-word titles since they're easier to remember and unique enough to stand out when compared to projects derived from stories within the public domain.
@@ForgottenFunStudios True story: when they showed a preview reel of Frozen at D23, everyone had to surrender their cell phones at the door. One fan ran back from that screening to her hotel and recorded "Let it Go" word for word, note for note, from a single hearing. So we all thought, okay, this is how big this song is going to be. Everybody's going to be obsessed with Elsa. Then the directive came down that the star of the teaser campaign was gonna be Olaf and his detachable head. We were literally told "We don't want people to know this is a musical." In hindsight I think it was better to let people discover how great the songs were, but that was not intentional.
This was my very first thought. I experienced and noticed it as a consumer, but I'm so glad somebody who was actually involved on the production/marketing side said it.
Interesting. Why boys in particular for an obviously sister/princess centric film?
@@Amazingtacomaniac It boiled down to two beliefs: 1) girls will go to Disney movies regardless but boys have to know there's something for them; 2) boys tend to buy more merch than girls. The success of Frozen actually helped challenge both assumptions.
Cinderella III is one of those rare sequels that is actually good.
My wife loves Cinderella 3. It's surprisingly not bad.
@@OffhandDisney It was one of my favorites growing up.
@@OffhandDisney it's good because it goes bat shit insane by the end and the prince actually has a character compared to the original
I agree. I love that movie, and I think it's one of the best Disney sequels created.
Good sequels aren't rare, like ... at all. I would name them all, but I would probably die of natural causes before I finished.
If I recall, when Frozen III was announced last year, Chris Buck a/or Jennifer Lee were unaware the film had been greenlit.
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Light googling and I can’t find a source, but wouldn’t be surprising to announce anything to help with the stock/proxy battle seems to be the MO.
i don't think there's any source on them being unaware, but yes it was announced last year.
How could that possibly be the case, Jennifer Lee is the literal, actual CCO of Disney Animation.
@@atkinbp04 Knowing my luck, it was probably on some random Twitter post without a source.
The larger issue is also how these sequels tend to not have the smoothest productions. Frozen 2 infamously didn’t have its story line up until the very last minute and Incredibles 2 lost a year of production when they moved it forward a year. The fact that these sequels did well means that Disney won’t see the production problems as something to fix since they are still going to make money. This can also bleed into their original films since Wish also had a lot of behind the scenes issues. I have every right to believe that Moana 2 might be in a similar situation too and Disney just sees it as a feature not a glitch. Disney should be letting their talent make the best projects they can, not pressure them to rush out mediocrity for the sake of shareholder and quarterly expectations.
This! I like Frozen 2 overall, prefer the songs to the original even, and love the art... however I have a few gripes with the story and feel like if they hadn't had to rush the film they could have made an amazing sequel. Watching the behind the scenes documentary was super enlightening. I have always felt like Moana could use a sequel, but with how quickly it is being pushed to theaters I am concerned for the story!
@@rettathompson1222the worst part of frozen 2 is how Olaf hijacks it and tells unfunny jokes. He used to actually be funny in the first one but in 2 he just becomes the annoying comic relief sidekick
Frozen 2 had a lot of incredible deleted scene songs!
Ralph Breaks The Internet coincided with the departure of John Lasseter and his controversy. I would love to revisit the worldbuilding of Arcade Toy Story.
@@HeroicSheperdfunny how you can remove someone from the company they resurrected and he is never charged and no one knows what he actually did. 🤔
I'm all for sequels only when there's a good story to be told, but I much prefer the "series" method that Aladdin, Tangled, and Big Hero 6 got.
I feel like Zootopia, Frozen and even Encanto could make for brilliant TV shows, and because Moana 2 started as a series... I'm cautiously optimistic.
Zootopia would make an excellent series with the world building. It’s the only one that I’ve always wanted more from. Looking forward to the sequel, still. Maybe they’ll bring back the Spy ideas.
We’re gonna fall into another era of “Squishing nine pilots into a feature” movies again I can feel it
@@JumperTV33buddy cop series set in zootopia sounds AWESOME. There’s so much of the world they can expand on too!
And the problem with the sequels is that they’re always to box office successes. No theater budget Atlantis or Princess and the Frog sequels(and yes 2D should be a priority), instead we get Frozen 4: Olaf May Need Glasses.
Okay but he should go with contacts.
@@OffhandDisney I don’t think his insurance can pay for them
Can’t wait for Frozen 5: Sven Has Overages On His Yearly Taxes
@@anth636or Frozen 6: The Search For More Money
@@anth636 Frozen six: we ran out of ideas
Walt Quote:"You can't top Pigs with Pigs. " 18:17
While Walt did cave on that, eventually, it's still a key point: the guy just wasn't a fan of revisiting old projects. Heck, a big reason Disneyland got started was because he was getting...well, not exactly sick of movies, but he was just kind of obsessed with no getting stuck doing one thing.
@@jmn327 Walt didn't cave on that, Walt died. And it was all downhill from there.
@@jmn327 He never “caved.” The first theatrical sequel to a Disney feature was Rescuers Down Under, produced decades after Walt’s death.
As was recently said, he would be spinning in his grave like a drill bit if he knew what had become of his legacy.
@@KhurtKhave669 Three Little Wolves is a Silly Symphony cartoon. Released on April 18, 1936, and directed by Dave Hand. It was the third Silly Symphony cartoon starring the Three Little Pigs.
@@taffysaur Three Little Wolves is a Silly Symphony cartoon released on April 18, 1936, and directed by Dave Hand. It was the third Silly Symphony cartoon starring the Three Little Pigs.
Wish didn't bomb because it was an original concept. It bombed because it wasn't a fleshed out story and contained a cast of underdeveloped, forgettable characters. In an age with so many options lazy storytelling isn't going to cut it.
That I can kinda see. I mean I just watched for the first time and I didn't have a problem with it. In fact I really liked it, but I do need a couple of rewatches to understand the problems. Not saying your wrong, just laying down my first thoughts now that I've seen it.
Disney needs to take risks like it once did when the company was starting. Yes a 2d animated film is very expensive, the technology has become obsolete, but maybe it would bring a lot of disney fans back.
And the irony here is that Disney is the one who innovated that medium before becoming partially responsible for making it obsolete.
The entire film industry right now is afraid to take risks.
First, They know they cannot make up a bomb at the physical media sales, and a single title won't make up that lost revenue on streaming. Sequels and Franchises are going to reduce that risk, because namebrand can sell at the Box, and franchise binging can sell at the Stream.
Second, Disney wants shovel media to fill their content void for their streaming service, similar to when they started the Disney Channel. Its no coincidence that the first sequel to Disney Animation (exception of Rescuers), was in the 90s when Disney had a need to fill timeslots on cable. Sequels are going to happen, if only because of Disney+, the hope is that they actually maintain quality in the world building the originals have (looking at you Ralph).
Look at the 2023 top 10 Box Office hits, 1. Barbie (New Franchise starter), 2. Mario (Franchise), 3. Oppenheimer (only "risk" but still a part of the Nolan library), 4. Guardians (MCU franchise), 5. Fast X (franchise), 6. Spider-man (franchise), 7. Little Mermaid (Disney franchise), 8. Mission Impossible (franchise), 9. Elemental (Original, but Pixar library), 10, Antman (MCU Franchise).
Even the Disney "Bombs" will sell on stream to the added namebrand library or franchise, and further can make up in merchandise of some sort.
All of the recent news about endless sequels is further added from the recent pandemic which sent industries into a panic to mitigate risks and survive the global economic crash. Hopefully we'll see a renaissance in a few years in culture, stories, novelties, and the risks that those come with.
If you want to take risk you got to have enough money. Look what happened to Cinderella due to the film's they came before it where packaged films
it's not impossible to bring back 2D, they showcased it during their Disney 100 short. Funny enough plenty of overseas studios in Eurpoe and Asia still embrace 2D animated movies. So it is possible for Disney to embrace 2D again, I just feel they're playing it too safe. More risks are needed!
They took risks with Encanto
The only thing I disagree with is that I don't think Wish was a risk. Wish was bland and it felt like it tried to capture the essense of every other Disney princess movie at once, so it ended up as a very cookie cutter esque, boring movie. I'm so sad that Disney is getting the wrong message from Wish's failure; instead of making sequels they need to be making "risky" original movies because those are the ones that get attention. Sure, a huge chunk of Disney's classic films were based off of other stories and characters, but they were original enough with such great storytelling that whenever people think of fairytales like Snow White and Cinderella, and even newer ones like Rapunzel and the Princess and the Frog, they think of Disney's versions of those stories. Disney NEEDS to take more risks because playing it safe isn't working for them anymore
So we're you expecting Scorsese tier writing for Wish lol?
Play safe it's no longer profitable anymore It would be easiee to learn from the mistakes from wish and move with Penélope the adaptatión of the Princess and the pea and bluebeard
ALLADIN AND THE KING OF THEIVES DESERVES MORE RESPECT
Especially when Robin Williams Reprised his voice Role as The Genie I wish we had an Aladdin 4 but not now because Robin is gone
Amen! 👏
I think the issue with Disney is the same as with many publicly traded companies: They are slaves to their stock price. The market is addicted to quarterly growth and any company that doesn't feed that addiction gets punished. It's a proven fact. If a CEO holds firm they get fired. Bob Iger wants to keep his job so he does what the market demands, not what's in the best interest of the fans. We are the ones that make them rich but their legacy and creativity are secondary.
Owning stock is one of the lowest levels of investments you can have in a company. It takes more effort to box up your memorabilia then to sell 10,000 shares. As long as the stock market rules creativity will always be a lower priority.
Which is why Disney shouldn't have shareholders. Nobody should and when I take over Disney I won't be CEO but Owner the way sports teams have owners. Disney will be an autocracy and I won't answer to anyone but Walt himself.
Don’t you hate that every aspect of our lives is dictated by white collar gambling?
I wish disney would do a Fantasia 3 instead, the people yearn for a high art experimental film with cool music and animated vignettes
It's still a pointless sequel
@@Amp661 pfft fantasia a pointless sequel
@@samhainabyss well,yes it would be. Sequels don't really require any thought these days
@@Amp661 except for the fact that walt himself expressed how the concert feature was something he wanted to be a continuous work so your opinion on the matter is kinda irrelevant
@@samhainabyss except for the fact that Disney itself is a corporation, and wants to make only money. I dont think it did ANYTHING for Walts memory lately. Fantasia hasn't been doing so hot compared to the legions of other franchises that conquer the box office and gives Disney revenue. Times change, and Disney, frankly, doesn't give a shit about Walts vision. Look how they screwed up star wars and The Omen.
This isn't unique to Disney by any means. Big Hollywood has been intellectually and creatively bankrupt for decades.
Not to mention morally bankrupt.
@@timgriffin639 I'm content to leave any moral questions up to the audience, as long as the movies are actually interesting.
@@ttintagel Oh ok....I don't. I'm willing to take a stand for what I believe in.
@@timgriffin639 Me, too, which is why I take ownership over my own media consumption instead of trying to run everybody else's.
@@ttintagel well you just said you let the public dictate the morality. I’m confused - are you trying to tell Me I’m free to have my own opinion? Gee, thanks!
10:29, you know, this shot in the teaser is fascinating to me. In the final version, Kristoff doesn't have a sword, and who is Anna attacking? I know a lot changed during development... but it's intriguing none the less.
@21:05 When you said "Disney needs to remain innovators" and the Innoventions theme was playing in the background...I got a little choked up honestly. Bravo.
I think Disney’s just in a slump point again. I’m in my 40s, so this is round 3 of my lifetime. You had The Brave Little Tailor/The Rescuers era, then the Original Renaissance. Then some fall off until Tiana and Rapunzel, then some downtime…then Frozen times. Perhaps the next CEO will Mikey Eisney it, and the parks and movie divisions will experience the best Disney sequel of all time: The Disney Renaissance: The Sequel: Part 2: Electric Boogaloo: Back 4 More
Yes! My kids were all depressed about Disney movies falling off - like it was permanent - and we went through the historic list of hims and they realized just how many streaks of bad movies they've made in the past (and why the renaissance was such a big deal).
Yeah this is what I have been saying for the last several years. We just need someone to come in and not be afraid to take risks and do something new and different. They are sticking too much to a tired formula right now because historically in Hollywood sequels and remakes are safe because there is already somewhat of an audience. Which I'm hoping they will come to realize is actively biting them in the arse and losing them more money than they are gaining.
Financial slump sure I could see Disney making a comeback especially if they continue to rely on name recognition by making more sequels to past films and if general audiences never get tired of the constant milking of acquired franchises like Marvel & Star Wars. From a quality standpoint I personally think the company is permanently damaged from the acquisitions that have done nothing but give Disney access to more franchises that they can run into the ground and exploit for money while forgetting about making new franchises and stories that can be fondly remembered.
Electric boogaloo 😂😂😂😂
FYI: Disney released Return to Neverland in theaters, this was intended to be direct to video. Also Doug's 1st movie (originally direct to video) was given a proper movie score and then released theatrically.
jungle book 2 as well
I definitely enjoyed Peter Pan Return to Neverland. ❤
"Jungle Book 2" and "Return to Neverland" were released theatrically in the U.S., despite not being canonical Disney classics and sharing many similarities with the direct-to-video sequels of that time period.
"Song of the South 2: Remus' Revenge"
Walt Disney wasn't a fan of sequels. He'd rather leave his films be a timeless standalone, and then "move on to other things." The way Iger is handling sequels is only proving Walt right!
The only problem Disney has is Bob Iger, just about everything else stems from his decisions, his disinterest or ignorance of his own company's history, his need to spend spend spend, and the total inability to listen or acknowledge what we the fans want from this company. And that last bit isn't even that hard, Eisner's whole shtick was trying to find the balance between classic nostalgia and new innovations.
It's weird because this is the same Iger that saw the Disney Company through some of it's best years. What changed?
@@OffhandDisney his success got the best of him, and he let it get to him.
@@OffhandDisneyHis Ego
@OffhandDisney I think he's always been this way really, he just made more of an effort in the pre-Fox purchase era when he still had political dreams. And now that's all gone, he's not going to bother to pretend like he actually cares.
And that's why people look back fondly on Eisner, despite his flaws. He actually made an effort, he didn't need to look for a higher job because he had that at Disney. As bad as some of the sequels were in his day, they were all just supplemental to the movies and TV shows at the time, they were never expected to compete with anyone except other straight to video releases at the video store.
@@OffhandDisneyI think you could also partially blame Chapek for this too. I still trust Iger somewhat. I think the only sequels worth doing are at least Moana 2 and some of the frozens. I don't think we need toy story 5 or zootopia 2
This is also what happens when Disney relies on IP too much.
Iger gets a lot of credit as a shrewd negotiator, and his acquisitions were so splashy that they gave him a reputation as a brilliant business mind. But now we see that nobody anywhere Disney has a single ounce of actual genuine creativity
Iger wrote Disney into a corner with all the acquisitions, so now they’re justifying a nearly exclusive profit focus as necessary to cover the cost of those acquisitions. They’re not letting their creatives create, even though that’s what he said he would do when they ousted chapek. It’s still just executives dictating what they think will make the most money and forcing the creatives into that box. I miss new.
You have really been on a roll with the early videos lately.
I don't care how much money Frozen makes, it's still disorganized, really poor storytelling (and boring). And Olaf may be the most annoying Disney character every made.
This is hopefully just a lull similar to the lack of super blockbusters in the 1970s. But I feel like super blockbuster film weren’t really a thing until the 1990s. Whatever happened to Disneys original live action films like Herbie the Lovebug , Treasure Island, etc. now the live action stuff are just remakes of animated hits. Too bad.
I actually like most Disney sequels, even Cars 2, however I absolutely hated the sequel to Wreck It Ralph. One of the worst movies i’ve ever seen.
Definitely! Who doesn't like continuation or another Journey story. :)
The world of Wreck It Ralph has so much potential to build upon and exploring the arcade games we've witnessed in the first movie and their characters in the form of tv show spin offs and movies. But no we got Breaks the Internet.
I think this is just Disney in a rut theatrically. Chapek moved Pixar to D+, ruined Marvel and released bad films like Strange World. Star Wars & LucasFilm was already broken. This is Disney trying to get some cheap wins with popular franchises to try and get them back on stable ground to then try original ideas because outside of Elemental, which wasn’t a hit to start, their other films that have been originals (Strange World, Luca, Turning Red, Soul, Wish, Haunted Mansion) all were either shoved onto D+ or were released and failed theatrically due to a variety of factors. This is Disney trying to get the machine back and working is all. Is it a lot of sequels? Absolutely, but it’s also probably necessary tbh to get Disney back on track. It’s a process. I think they’ve improved the quality, especially in their output theatrically last year and are working on trying to turn the tide after the failures of the Chapek regime.
I mostly blame this on Chapek's regime tbh. He clearly was in over his head and made terrible decision after terrible decision.
Strange World was greenlit in 2017, three years before Chapek became CEO. If five years is the average between a movie starting production and being released, we won’t see any of the films he approved until next year.
@@DrFranklynAnderson The film Strange World began production in 2017, yes. The actual writing, casting and recording of the film didn’t happen until 2022, of which Bob Chapek would’ve had say on the film and could have directed it into a different way than what the original creators may have wanted. You’re not wrong, but a lot of the issue with Strange World still falls on Chapek.
Let me correct myself. I misread what I was reading. The trailer came out in 2022. The recording of dialogue would’ve probably started in 2020/2021 when we were in the transition between Iger and Chapek. Chapek is still involved, and it’s his decision to release it in the end. He could’ve went full Zaslov and cut it like a Batgirl movie for a tax write off if he wanted to.
@@dougjackson3890 And be called “the guy who canceled the first Disney cartoon with an openly gay kid?” Pretty sure that’s enough to get you drawn and quartered in Hollywood. 😉
Love to see you cover this topic. I don’t really think this is gonna save Disney’s behind as much as they think it will, but let’s see. I don’t really think many of these need sequels, minus Inside Out 2. I see where Moana could go next, but seeing who’s onboard, I’m more worried it’ll go a route like Ralph Breaks The Internet and just be bad. We’ll see how this plays out in 3-4 years. I just know I’m not really looking forward to them minus Inside Out 2…
Ralph Breaks the Internet really shook me with how bad these potential sequels could be.
@@OffhandDisneyI feel like Moana 2 and some of the frozen sequels at least have a point to being made. Mostly to explore other areas that haven't been touched on yet.
I'm up for any film to have a test at a sequel.. If Inside Out 2 has an agenda behind it then I'm not interested..
19:16 Dont you dare put that hypothetical dodgeball in Apollo’s hands!
You know which risk Disney needs to take (but that will never happen) ?
They need to step on their ego and close Disney plus. They can't allow risks right now because that platform is a money black hole.
Close it, cut the expanses, sell the streaming rights to another platform to create new income , start reinvesting parks revenue into parks and use profit to take the time needed to make new movies instead on rushing to always have new stuff ready to stream.
Disney needs to step away from streaming and make the release of new Disney content an event again, and not just a home Friday night watch.
I never understood why they rarely make short films for their franchises continuation instead of big theatrical releases. Making feature films is a lot more of a difficult and tiring process. With high quality shorts they can continue the stories with not as much expectations yet be experimenting with the technology on a smaller yet impacful scale. Yes I know Frozen had this approach to Frozen 2. But if they dedicated their time to other IPS then I don't see what would go wrong. I'm speaking of shorts that have a run time of 15-20 min.
I would really love for Disney to get Tom Hanks to come back and play Walt in a movie about the building of Disneyland, and what all Walt went through to make it a reality, similar to Saving Mr. Banks. So many people don't realize or know the story of everything Walt did and taking risks to make his dream of Disneyland a reality.
At least Zootopia has so many stories that can be told within such an expansive world.
No it doesn't. Leave it alone. That's asking for more pointless shit
Walt put his house on the line for Snow White, now we can't even get Disney's current corporate overlords to put a fourth of their salary on the line
"Won't someone think of the Cruise Lines please?!" 😂
I can't tell if they are just trying to suck every penny out of their franchises or if they are just straight up out of ideas for new content. Or maybe both. It really is sad to see Disney doing pretty much nothing but sequels and live action remakes. We need new content.
They provided new content with Strange World, Elemental and Wish, and they performed below par at the box office forcing Disney back to sequels.
@@nubby2790 That gets complicated, though... Disney also poorly advertised almost all of the recent box office flops. They are also currently doing injustices to original films like Soul, Turning Red, and Luca by only releasing them in theaters for one week each.... They already got a rough start by being released during the pandemic directly to Disney+ and now backtracking them into theaters is getting lukewarm reception and, once again, poor advertisement outside of the Disney echo-chambers like D23.
They either went too hard and high stakes like they did with Wish, or they put in little to no effort like they did with Strange World. Their entire strategy is what's killing their box office performance on top of an already dying movie theater industry. Their best bet would be to pivot to exclusively releasing features on streaming and advertising it on social media, but we all know they won't do that because they see dollar signs in the box office just enough to keep investing in that route.
It's money and they dish out what's popular. It makes money. It's not hard to understand.......
I'm all in hearing you discuss the peoplemover Haunted Mansion and the glorious Living with the Land. New Disney movies are so "designed by committee" and based off successes in the past, many lack the heart and charm of the older movies. In addition, the animation is so overly polished/ plastic like. There are many techniques in 3d animation currently that would give some charm and texture.
If a movie never has a sequel, People demand sequels. If A movie gets a sequel people complain about too many sequels.
The important thing is that a TV pilot is not a movie. Sequels are not bad. Its important to make parts for stories that have some thing to say.
Also avoid offending people with BS attempts to be unoffensive
I'm primarily here for Peoplemover content but always enjoy whatever you make. You may have even convinced me to watch Frozen 2.
Just because a narrative has always been there doesn't make it immune from critique. Especially if it's from an ideology that has proven to be divisive, immoral, and terrible at storytelling.
There's also a big difference between the narrative being there and them coming out and telling parents that they are going to focus on showing it to your kids. I know people that have completely abandoned Disney because of it.
@@shaggytallboy4982 Thank you! Even Iger has mentioned this, in the past it was a good story with a "message" now some of the movies feel like a "message" disguised as a story.
And it’s absolutely harmed the company. You can hate it as much as you want, but it’s a giant elephant in the room that some don’t acknowledge.
Cinderella III was a master piece. Genuinely loved it so much when I was a kid. I think I rewatched it more than the original
This is going to be like the '90s and early 2000s all over again with the direct-to-video sequels, only this time, it's in theaters and I believe streaming services as well. And I'm not looking forward to that.
Disney has a Bob Iger problem. The company desperately needs new leadership that isn’t focused on anything other than entertainment not politics.
More like focusing more on passion and creativity than money
atp, just bring back Eisner. Let bygones be bygones
Finally, someone else is saying that as well. Michael needs to come back..
TY for covering this. In the 90s I was puzzled to why they were locking down classics and charging extra for special editions, all while rolling out sequel after sequel of newer sort of meh stuff.
Love the mini rant! Spot on! But, people movers and living with the land.
I did enjoy this as well
We need sequels to those. Those are the sequels we need.
How well did Lightyear do? Wish and other new movies and some sequels flopped because of Disney’s message in the movie. Make a good entertaining young child to older child movie and you make money. Look at Mario it made huge money
Disney Animation and Pixar, as well as the live action department and the parks, need to take influence from Disneynature. Since 2009, they’ve been releasing original nature documentaries in theaters and on streaming, and, for the most part, they’ve been great. They’re continuing Walt’s legacy of the True Life Adventures.
Very refreshing Dallin! The extensive amount of research you did on this really made it! I am enlightened! A perceptive and well presented rant, as in this case, is sincerely better than no rant at all! Your sense of appropriateness is growing moment by moment, grasshopper! I do believe you may have just plucked the pebble from our collective hand! The near divinity of the end card is the proof on par with the star created as Tinkerbell taps her wand on the top spire of Cinderella's Castle! Bravo maestro! 🤗
Disney should make a movie on Oswald, Sound and Color. Take the risk Disney
No. It doesn't need to happen
I think a lot of people need to understand that the only reason Disney is doing this is because their last four original animated movies underperformed and three of them were torn apart by pretentious animation nerds. (this likely wouldn't be the case if Wish did better financially)
I do understand the frustration that Disney likely won't be releasing an original animated movie until 2027 at the earliest (and I am one of those people), but hey, its a better alternative than their original animated films becoming Disney+ exclusives or WDAS relying on outsourcing to save money like Dreamworks is doing rn (on TOP of making a shitload of sequels).
I feel like Disney is not looking into why Wish did bad. Like if they looked at videos like this, which are all over the internet, they would know where to fix themselves. They seem to equate original to poor performance. We want the new stories and people would see them if they were advertised right and had amazing original music and a genuine good story. The people who love disney care about those things. The sequels are fine, I usually enjoy them. But it’s been such a long time since we’ve had a good genuine story that didn’t feel like they were grabbing for cash.
Personally, since Covid hit everything, I have not seen a movie in a theater. I cancelled my Disney +, so I have not seen anything related to a show or movie. I haven’t seen any of the sequels, nor do I miss them. I just enjoy the parks and all the info, good or bad, related to the parks.
I just don’t understand the concept of a mandalorian movie when they already have the TV show, don’t get me wrong I love the mandalorian but, when does the movie take place? Will the show pick up after the movie? Just doesn’t make sense tbh
Everything in the Filoniverse has to be tied to absolutely everything else. Even if it takes massive retcons to do it.
Not a big fan of direct sequels but the idea of new movies that take place in an existing franchise's "universe" with new cast of characters sounds appealing. For example, I really liked the idea of Metro exploring the lives in trains in the Cars universe but was sad to only learn about it because it was cancelled. The Planes movies weren't half bad either. Maybe they'll do something with boats, who knows.
The funny thing is, you look at the films with the biggest box office returns this year (save for Mario Bros, which was going to be a home run no matter what) all of them share a mutual quality: well...quality. Barbie, Oppenheimer, Guardians 3, and Across the Spider-Verse all were acclaimed movies by the critics and general public and made at reasonable budgets, yet only Guardians 3 was a Disney film. With even more entertainment options and so many streaming services available, movies need to be both extremely high-quality and experiences. These lazy sequels will likely be neither, and they aren't going to succeed as much as prior sequels nor even Disney's other projects. The Little Mermaid remake should be an indicator of it.
Bob Iger has an Addiction to Sequels. They can't do anything Original anymore. 3:19
I think they can, it's just sequels are more safe. At least with the live-action remakes coming out it didn't effect the output of WDAS. These do.
Strange World and Encanto continue not to exist
@@anth636 Encanto was actually good though. Strange World was mid
The last time I watched a new Disney film, WAS Frozen 2. Says alot to be honest.
Same here
My last Disney movie I saw was Elemental
Same
I'm still so mad about Toy Story 4! The ending to the third movie felt so perfectly fitting I actually cried a little the first time I saw it. It was a satisfying ending. Then the 4th one came out and was like "oh, never mind. Not only is the story not finished, but we're also going to have Woody suddenly decide that his loyalty to his kid regardless of the amount of playtime he gets not even matter anymore and he's going to leave." To me it's just as bad as "going Turbo" being shown as a selfish act that leads to disaster in Wreck-It Ralph but the second movie paints Ralph trying to prevent Vanellope doing the same thing as immature and selfish!
I think we all wanted Bob Iger to save us from Bob Chapek bringing Disney downhill, but now things are just looking worse
I hope this year is a good year for the studio but the sheer amount of sequels kinda concerns me
As much as I'm not a huge fan of constant sequels, I can't blame disney for playing it safe after all of their original movies failing recently and fear of a buy out encroaching.
The true reason of why the original ideas failed it's because they don't have much creativity and passion that it needs to become a beloved classic
A problem all movies studious have is not recognizing the quality of the individual movie is what determines success. Frozen 2 didn't succeed because it was a sequel to Frozen, it succeeded because it was excellent. Wish didn't fail because it was an original movie, it failed because it just wasn't good enough (I thought it was fun, but good enough isn't good enough in the current movie climate.)
The messaging has not always been there. Most of us waiting for the phase to end.
Agreed
Now that Wish is on Disney+ and after I waited for so cause I was supposed to see it in theaters, I actually really like it. I think a lot of people are taking this movie for granted is because the theatrical release occurred after the wake from the SAG-AFTRA & WGA strikes. Nothing saying that it was the contributing factor but the timing is what I'm focusing on. With Disney+, the timing was probably more flexible for the company to handle. So when I watched it last night, I enjoyed it as much as I originally thought and with the story (while probably average) it seems like a love letter to the past 100 years of Disney Storytelling. So say what you will, but I love Wish.
Something that I’ve yet to see mentioned with this wave of sequels is that these specific franchises are either in the parks or planned for the parks. So, I would argue that this does still relate to the parks as a topic. There’s definitely a choice being make-albeit nuanced-as to what is receiving sequels and I would not be shocked to see this perpetuated with a sequel to other well-received or attractions-driven films like Encanto, Coco, and Princess and the Frog, or even more villains-themed films or shows. This can be evidenced by Disney’s plans to expand the parks with these franchises involved.
Toy Story and Star Wars are what’s keeping people coming to Hollywood Studios park, Moana has a new attraction in EPCOT, Arendelle is opening in international park locations to considerable fanfare with rumors of it eventually coming stateside to expand the Frozen parkiverse™️ further, and Tough to Be a Bug is being rethemed to Zootopia.
It wouldn’t be out of the question for them to have a quick money grab plan to invest in films that will get fans old and new to the parks and, of course, to sell as much merchandise as humanly possible. Unfortunately we’re in the bottom line era of Disney so with each box office flop we’ll continue to see more guaranteed wins in theaters, in merchandising, and in the parks. TLDR; prepare for more sequels related to any and all blue sky concepts.
Audiences forced Disney's hand when Strange World, Elemental and Wish did not perform well at the box office. Now Disney needs to go with sure-fire sequels that will hit.
They need to drop sequels almost indefinitely and get new ideas that are interesting
It's not just Wish, though. Their last four original movies were Wish, Strange World, Encanto, and Raya and the Last Dragon. Only one of the last four original movies they released was successful at the box office. I don't think it's a coincidence, either, that all of the upcoming sequels are based on the four year block of successes they had prior to their recent failures. I'm not saying it's a good way to run the studio, but I think blaming it entirely on Wish is kind of missing the bigger picture.
In addition to dumb corporate executive meddling, a lot of this feels like diversion tactics for their involvement in funding violent groups for certain ongoing conflicts....
Like holding a shiny object going "oooh look at this new thing, you dont wanna pay attention to our other dealings"
I watched King of Thieves more than the original.
It's SOO good
@@OffhandDisneySo is The Rescuers down under
I would love to know who narrated all of those straight to VHS sequel ads. His voice sparks some core memories.
I rarely go to movie theaters anymore, even when I love the movies. The shopping malls don’t seem to be thriving anymore, with or without movie theaters.
However, I don’t love all the live action remakes Disney has made to date. I’m holding out to see Wish when it comes to Disney +, but I heard it was good even though it didn’t do well at the box office.
I rarely go to the cinema anymore because people have forgotten how to act in public.
As a fellow Aladdin and the King of Thieves enjoyer, I agree that sometimes you can get a surprisingly good movie out of a sequel. But any sequel runs the risk of tarnishing the legacy of the original, and even the good ones still come across as unnecessary additions when the original felt like a complete, standalone story. Disney's current lineup for the foreseeable future means that aside from Pixar's Elio, we won't be getting an original story from the studio for several years. That's worrying, not only because a bad sequel could tarnish any one of those brands (like Wreck-It Ralph 2) but also because it's telegraphing that Disney thinks rehashing familiar characters is enough to get people to keep coming back to the theatre. And...right now, that seems to be completely true. Why create something new when you can just show them something that already makes money? The live-action remakes were made with the same philosophy, and while a few of those were decent (Aladdin just keeps winning) most of them weren't.
But that's taking the consumer for granted. People are going to start suffering from brand fatigue, and no property, not even Frozen, is immune to that. I remember when the Pirates of the Caribbean movies were big events. Now the franchise is tired and no one cares. Stop milking franchises until you've completely exhausted them, because tarnishing the legacy of your best movies and characters is going to be a short-term victory and a long-term disaster. Create something new, and leave past successes alone so people continue to remember them fondly.
I mean Avatar is low-key obsolete in this discussion as James Cameron always planned on having 5 movies. But for everything else, yeah sometimes you gotta know when to pull the pin💀
to be fair. the past couple original movies released by disney animation studios were thoroughly ignored by the public, despite being pretty solid (for strange world) and really good (for wish). so while it is definitely a problem that they have this many sequels, it was my immediate thought too, like…i get it.
People always complain about new content and when Disney delivers (Strange World, Elemental, Wish), audiences didn't go forcing Disney's hand.
@@nubby2790 Elemental made money, eventually. The bigger point is "do I need to see this in a theater (and spend more money) or wait 3 to 4 month and watch it on Disney + (which I am already paying for)?"
The public at large ignored both Strange Worlds & Wish because they were bad. You seem to be in the minority since you liked them but the majority disagrees with you.
I am worried if the stories are not strong enough to be enjoyable for all, then Disney is in trouble in the future.
I feel like for the last few years every other big animation studio is innovating in the kind of ways Disney used to: for example movies like Spider-verse and The Bad Guys that push CGI animation into new directions not seen before.
Pixar have had some bangers with Turning Red, Soul and Luca (and even Elementals was better than I expected) but Lightyear was rubbish. I wouldn't mind the sequels so much if there was original movies in-between them but their future slate looks bleak atm in that respect.
Once they get bored of live action remakes and sequels (AKA they stop making bank) I suspect they will learn the wrong lesson AGAIN and start doing crossover movies. All the princesses in Ralph 2 spawned a ton of merch related to that scene alone, so that feels like just a taste of what they'd do there. :/
"Disney is playing it safe" hit the nail on the head. Really has been since Eisner. Iger just seemed to want to buy everything first go around for easy projects"
Encanto wasn’t safe
@@DORAisD34D I think they got lucky with Encanto. The synopsis reads like it was written in a boardroom.
Because despite ecanto being a success nobody went to go see wish so I really don't know what people expected.
“Frozen 2 was received well.”
Are you sure about that? I have heard nothing but people dunk on it.
Yeah I’ve only heard people talk about how poor it’s aged over the past 5 years too.
I hated it
Disney actually did release a few Disney MovieToon produced sequels to theaters as wide releases. Return to Never Land, The Jungle Book 2, The Tigger Movie, Piglet's Big Movie, and Pooh's Heffalump Movie.
The loss or implosion of John Lassiter, however you want to frame it, was a rough loss in terms of quality and originality coming out of animation. Someone had a fascinating video, I wish I could remember who, basically pointing out that whichever IP Bob Iger turns his personal attention to, begins to tank shortly thereafter. Marvel continued to do well under Disney because Iger was preoccupied with Star Wars. When that was no longer the case, it began to change for the worse.
So while I love the video, just wanted to add a few additional details: Disney actually theatrically released "Peter Pan 2: Return to Neverland" and "Jungle Book 2" in the USA - in fact I saw Neverland around the weekend it came out (this was the very early 2000s???) but they were animated not by Disney Feature Animation, but by DisneyToons (who handled most of the direct to DVD sequels)
I’ll take sequels over the live action remakes…. But I do feel like they are fully running out of original ideas.
Disney would never agree or admit that wish looked cheap and self-congratulatory. The reviews were bad and pointed to a movie that didn't even follow it's own rules. It's so much easier to point to an easy, scared answer like, "People don't like new stuff."
Everything you said is spot on. You should run the company 🙌🏼. Offhand for Disney president. Wish wasn’t the worst, but the music was super cringy. I’d take it over Toy Story 4 any day though.
Couldn't agree with you more. A while back (must be a couple of years now) I heard Disney had bought the film rights to "The Glass Magician"--a FANTASTIC series that could give Harry Potter a run for the money. But what are they doing?????? Moana 2--on top of a live-action version we DO NOT NEED. Honestly, I feel that the film industry is laughing at Disney and Walt is spinning in his grave.
didn't Walt also say you can't top pigs with pigs? great video- I've been concerned for quite a while
Oh no I’m mad at Disney, and I’m mad specifically at Bob Iger and the current team AT Disney and all the dumb decisions they’ve just decided to accept as okay for this company. With all that’s happened with the past year, and the only good thing we got was their REAL 100th anniversary tribute with “Once Upon A Studio”, they don’t even acknowledge their mistakes and literally said recently they’re just throwing out whatever sticks just to make back what they lost. If that’s not ignorance of their mistakes, then they need to starting worrying about their future at Disney, and yeah, I think we as a fanbase should worry, too.
If we're in the sequel phase, where's my Incredibles 3?!?!?!
i started having this dread with all the live action remakes, wanting so badly to see an original thought. all these sequels are frustrating when they're forced. both forms rely heavily on predecessors, but at least with sequels they are continuing a story and not just doing an overlay with live actors of something that's already out there
Walt Disney is rolling in his grave. He’d be disappointed if he saw what Disney has become.