Is Joel Embiid's Knee Finished? Doctor Explains
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Joel Embiid can't stay on the court for a prolonged stretch due to repeated knee issues. Let's take a closer look as to why
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That knee was swollen 3x its normal size during the Knicks 76ers playoff series.. and he played on it every game the entire series, then continued to play on it a month later for the olympics.
Front office should all be fired for allowing him to play
fans would have called him softer than they call him now... he makes millions so hes supposed to play until he dies in their eyes, only thing that matters is basketball and the players real life is irrelevant... i still got screenshots of people saying kobe ruined the lakers because "he tore his achilles" im convinced nba fans are some of the worst humans on the planet.
@@mentalprograming5365People are unbelievable. Knowing damn well they wouldn’t go to work sick let alone play basketball with an injury but have the nerve to call someone soft.
@@mentalprograming5365this guy gets paid in a year more than 25x what the average folk makes in their life time.
If my back hurts, I have to go to work. If I have a flu, I have to work. If I have fucking cancer, I STILL have to work. Get a grip. If he cant play, just retire (actually a possibility for someone making 50 million a year). Instead, he'll drag this out as long as he can while fucking over the 76ers so he can get more money.
I was just snow to say the same thing. Making him play with a knee injury was diabolical
@teledude1owns "Allowing him to play!" As if he's not responsible for what's best for him as well. The Sixers front office isn't his mom! They can make suggestions but, they can't tell him he cannot play in the Olympics. Also, as Dr. Sutterer pointed out, he's going to hv windows where he feels fine and, no amount of rest is going to cause his meniscus tissue to grow back!
Reminds me of Todd Gurley. So much potential but his knees were shot by 25 and he never was able to be as great as he could have been
FACTS! Fantasy GOAT for like 3 years lol
Gurley was incredible. Heavy freaking workload 😢
Dude was a beast. Injuries wrecked a 1st ballot HoF career.
Copium
I remember when he had 40 point averages in a month stretch. Him and Jokic helped bring back the center to the spotlight
In short - bro is cooked and will never be the same
Add to this, the fact that he's never had a high-level of pride in taking care of his conditioning, and it has either contributed to these problems, and/or exacerbated them!
@@edkiely2712 you cant have a "high level of pride" when most off-season's he cant do conditioning because of a lower body injury
@productions5667 Embid is, and has been, lazy and indolent in everything he does, from the slow and laborious way he talks and processes information, to his slothful demeanor and the way he jogs back on defense all-the-time. Also, Embid's work-ethic criticisms predate his injury issues. He's always been known to do just what was required, nothing more, and usually much less.
Finally, there are ways of maintaining your conditioning without engaging in high-impact activities. Swimming is one! There are also specially designed treadmills now that athletes can use that allow for players to reduce impact on knees, hips, ankles, etc. that allow them to maintain cardio while undergoing lower extremity physical therapy! You are either ignorant of the above or, you're just making excuses for Embid!
@@edkiely2712no one is reading that bro 😂 it’s not that serious
He's a bum ass
Doc said last year that if they operate and take more of his natural meniscus he would most likely never be the same and now we’re here
People want these athletes to be robots just oil them up n they good to go. Shit is so sad he ain’t lazy he literally in pain or injured but people don’t care at all they want they money worth they enjoyment they parleys to hit.
karma for flopping all the time
@@jahbuckets1691 He wouldn't be in that bad of shape if he didn't spend his entire career throwing his massive weight on to the floor flopping. The majority of his injury is self inflicted from flopping.
You need to take out the meniscus if it is damaged you can't leave it in there. What they should have done was to try to replace the meniscus by using cadaver or stem cells because I'm pretty sure he has a bone on bone situation
@@derpderpin1568 Source? Are you a doctor? Or is this an "intelligent" guess?
That feeling when knee surgery is tommorow
I was looking for this 😂
God damn it
Best of luck 🙏🙏
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Good luck man!
Knee problems like this ended my Army career, so I know what he’s going through, glad you made this video
Knees over toes
Man knees over toes and backwards walking literally saved my knee health.
@@JP_-oq3xn same! It got me dunking at 32.
Stolen valor
@@JP_-oq3xnWhat is knees over toes?
Great channel. My husband is an ER doc and he cannot deal with most med sports commentators, but he really likes your channel. He appreciates how you truly educate fans…so many others only offer hot takes and clickbait. I am wellness/fitness director who has a labral tear in my hip(wish I never had surgery didn’t work and ended up worse off), shoulder separations, and have to wear a knee brace anytime I teach classes so I get the whole range of injury management vs. surgery.
I'm 7 weeks post-op from a meniscus repair and can certainly sympathize with Embiid. I don't fault Embiid's surgeon at all for the meniscectomy because, as my surgeon put it, "you can't sew together sawdust". I was fortunate enough that my surgeon was able to stitch together my tear in the posterior horn of the medial meniscus, but recovery from these surgeries takes awhile.
The nightmare scenario for meniscus injuries is basically what happened to Lonzo Ball, or Carey Price in my sport of choice (ice hockey). In Price's case, he went in for a meniscus repair/meniscectomy just like Embiid or myself. However, during that surgery, the surgeon discovered an osteochondral defect; that is, the cartilage had worn completely off the femoral condyle to the point where the femur could no longer glide appropriately or smoothly on the meniscus.
A potential video idea for Dr. Sutterer is talking about a surgery that used to be done on athletes for these sorts of injuries (microfracture knee surgery) that is no longer performed for a variety of reasons. Guys like Tracy McGrady and Greg Oden say the surgeries prematurely ended their primes. Nowadays you see procedures like OATS and MACI, such as in the case of Lonzo Ball.
Very informative comment sir 👍
great read!
@@cecagna micro fracture is still performed, it's what I had done last year for delaminated cartilage on the tibial plateau. It helped but it still hurts. This was at the same clinic that treats the blazers, so maybe Portland surgeons are behind the times.
I remember thinking microfracture surgery was basically code for 'this guy is done'. Felt like Travis Kelce (he got it as a rookie) was the only guy who wasn't diminished afterward.
knee means early retirement. drose,thomas those players are 🔥
Greg Oden, Brandon Roy. Career ending. Give him 2 more years max.
Micheal Thomas done?
@@kingjulien9525 greg oden had microfracture surgery, I'm not sure if that's different but I thought that was for tibial plateau cartilage and not for meniscus
demarcus cousins also😢
Unless they had a crazy surgery not really, all they need to do is slow down their play style and diet properly
Brandon Roy 😔
brandon roy was actually good though and wanted to be good. embiid did this to himself by flopping at a #1 all time historic rate.
@@derpderpin1568So Embiid wasn’t good? What? And what does knee damage have to do with floppying?
The boy does hit the floor a lot
@@derpderpin1568brother how many times did embiid cook your favorite team
@@markoaurelius4426 flopping = falling down to the ground a lot. If you can't understand what that does to your knees then I hope you never reproduce.
Paul George is right behind him with the random hyperextensions
Yo.. that ish is mad crazy. Dude just built funny
Paul george had a career ending injury and still came back he probably got injury prone after that injury
@@JohnWaweru-u2c true.
Yeah ngl I’m convinced some fans are straight up sociopaths. His tibia literally snapped in half
@@JohnWaweru-u2cthat’s true but I think a lot of athletes would prefer to have broken bones rather than tearing these important ligaments, mentally I know the PG injury is probably hard to overcome but clinically speaking a broken leg is better than a torn ACL 😅
My dad played basketball his whole life until college (back then in Converse Chucks, lol), and he has had meniscus issues and multiple surgeries, too. Any time an NBA player has meniscus issues we grimace, because we know that's a tough one to bounce back from. It really, really sucks.
I feel like Embid needs a PR team or something. The way he says things like never playing back to back again makes him look bad. He could have explained the situation more clearly and transparently.
I don’t understand how everybody couldn’t put two and two together. WHY ELSE WOULD HE JOT PLAY WHEN THE SIXERS ATE DOING THAT BAD? ONLY PEOPLE WHO LACK COMMON SENSE COULDNT FIGURE OUT HIS KNEE IS DONE.
@ The sixers said he was good to go before the season and he played in the Olympics. So when he suddenly says he will never play back to back again and he still hasn’t played yet after the team said he’s fine is sending huge mixed messages
@@AndrewL31413Yes they said he was good to go but he sat out even when we were losing and the times he did play he was limping around the court. ITS CLEAR AS DAY THAT THERE’S STILL SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIS KNEE. WHY TF ELSE WOULD HE NOT PLAY? A blind person could see that his knee shot.
nah the problem is that he was TOO clear and transparent😂
The team is saying that not the player. He’s repeating what’s being told to him.
I had a similar surgery, a right lateral meniscectomy. From what the doctor at the time told me, a meniscectomy is often performed based on where the tear occurs. Parts of your meniscus don't get very good blood flow because it's pinched (the parts that are closer to the center of the knee), so even if doctors go in to repair it, it will never heal because it doesn't get enough blood flow.
I wouldnt say never… just takes a long time. I had a lateral repair and it took 5-6 months just to get somewhat comfortable. And a year and half before i felt normal.
Regardless of sport code, unless the knee's strength is proportational to body weight by nature, big guy's knee tends to expire earlier than normal. The loading shouldn't lie.
I had meniscus removal 16 years ago. Knee swelling happens so fast from rigorous activity no matter how good your knee feels.
Do you mean your knee gets swollen multiple times a year?
I had meniscectomy two months ago. My knee is still painful during long walks. I was wondering when will this stop.
@ it’s fine doing day to day stuff, but anything I try to run or do anything more rigorous than the usual i can feel the pain and swelling soon follows. I’m sure it’s different for everyone but I remember my dr telling me “don’t try to be a runner” and I shortly understood why.
I’m sure the Sixers management would be perfectly transparent about Embiids condition if it didn’t also mean they’d have to explain why they gave him a $200M+ extension.
Hello I m a sixers fan i want to thank you for explaining things better for me. Now i have a better understanding of what Embiid is going through.
As much as I have hated all of Embiid's bad behavior and controversies, unfortunately his nba career might be cooked, hopefully he will be able to live a normal life after whenever he decides to retire from the NBA, because as a lot of other people have commented here it's a painful process to go through. I feel for Embiid and his family, they are the ones that usually are the more affected😢
I genuinely feel sad for JE. Some dudes their body just ain’t built for long term physical contact sports. It doesn’t make them weak or less than or bad they’re just not a good fit for that type of job. Much like someone with a low lung capacity wouldn’t be a good swimmer or someone who hates blood shouldn’t be a doctor. Certain people just biologically anatomically are not meant to go into certain fields and that’s ok. They can be excellent at other things and still have meaningful contributions to society just maybe not how they envisioned.
It's definitely unfortunate but like you said, his body was not built to play basketball for decades. Now, his knee(s) pain will only get worse as he ages. This will go on way after basketball.
Fuck Joel, he is a dirty player. Go on TH-cam and you can find tons of videos of him trying to injury other players
Same man. I do really wish this man well, but I come to realization. He just injury prone. It ain’t his fault.
I took all kinds of abuse from Sixers fans when I said Embiids knees would be shot within 3 years of his mvp. Being that big and throwing your body around like that to con fouls was only gonna end one way
He plays too recklessly. If he would have had a play style like jokic or Duncan , his career would have lasted longer with less injuries.
Greg Oden could have been a superstar, but his knees were shot at a young age. Embid seems to be the same.
Embiid is not young though he’s 30 for a big that’s old
Embiid is a superstar. He's a future hall of famer.
There were concerns with Embiid's health before the draft. He missed his first two seasons. In his rookie year he only played limited games which is the only reason he didn't win ROTY. It's a surprise to me that he became the player he become, an MVP and perennial allstar with playoff runs.
but he shouldnt have won that mvp trophy
@@leonardoyi3183 We know Jokic should have another MVP but we all know the NBA don't like to give it to the same player too many times. Embiid was at least one of the best players in the NBA that season and that's my point, nobody saw him becoming a top 5 player in the NBA.
4:00 gosh that meniscus looks like a nice healthy meal
Sixers fans ain’t the ones hating on Embiid. He is the most hated athlete in the world. But it ain’t Sixers fans that’s hate on him.
I feel this year a little more fans were frustrated with him, myself for one. The Olympics, followed by the extension, followed by missing the start of the season, the back-to-back comment, now the knee injury is back. This is a PR disaster by Embiid and the front office.
The majority of hate is from the rest of the league that are still bitter about being an MVP.
He deserves the hate. Not for his injuries, for who he is as a player.
Awesome work! Can you cover the J.K. Dobbins injury? Did it look like an MCL sprain to you?
Super well done and explained video. Wouldnt expect anything else. Keep it up Doc
Now I have a much better understanding as well thanks to you ☺️.
More and more times I am hearing friends of mine regretting having meniscus surgeries. I teared up my meniscus on April 2023, ACL, PCL also teared up (even tho I believe this was already there, more about my own wear and tear, I have been playing sports for the last 40 years). After one exhaustive month of research and study I decided to don't have surgery. The reasons were: my age at that point (46), the amount of bad experiences close people had post surgery and the not high percentage of success in middle and long term patients post surgery.
Most people get another surgery after the first and a few recover completely (if that's possible). I took a conservative approach; one full year of no impact sports, self rehab and tons of mind training. Nowadays I play basketball and football/soccer again. Yes, my meniscus "clicks" at some positions and when i do certain deep movements in motion, however I can still play, I don't feel pain or unbalance, my knee doesn't swell at all. I have stopped other work outs like animal flow or techniques that requires me to be squatting for long periods of time but I am extremely happy that I didn't succumb to my doctors opinions. All of them told me to go through surgery, mainly because that's how they make their money.
73 now First tear after NYC marathon in 77 , then surgery in 91 Another tear in 2012 Now getting shots
I need to send this to my coworker. He is always on Embiid’s case about injury.
While Embid can't necessarily be blamed for "being injured," he definitely deserves abundant criticism for never having the pride and discipline to maintain his conditioning over-the-years. That alone could have helped create the conditions for him physically to sustain these injuries, or at least exacerbate them once they occurred!
@@edkiely2712Do you think there’s a possibility that since he’s always going into the offseason injured that it was tough for him to balance staying in shape vs. resting so that he could recover? I know you would have to give Joel the benefit of the doubt in that scenario and lord knows you probably don’t want to do that but you think that could be a possibility?
@@edkiely2712 let it go bro.. its just basketball.. its time to get over it and move on to another player to criticize for not following your conditioning plan ... matter fact your comment doesnt make sense because all nba players have condition coaches from their franchise assigned to them.. embiid didnt hire them... yet somehow embiid needs to be blamed because it makes more sense to your brain, it sounds sexier to blame modern players for how the modern nba is ran and how modern condition coaches, physical therapist and general managers make decisions on players health... its absolutely on embiid because your the guy behind the scenes in the nba that knows exactly how much pride and discipline all the players have... foh
@Mugga94 Joel is lazy and indolent in everything he does, from the way he slowly talks and processes information, his constant slothful demeanor, to the the countless times he just jogs back on defense. Also, issues with his work-ethic predate his injury issues.
He's always been known to do just what was required of him or, much, much less. Lastly, I'm sure there were times he was behind the eight-ball in staying in shape however, there are multiple means, like swimming, to stay in great shape. One doesn't always have to be running and/or weight-training.
Regardless, Embid is hardly someone who's earned and deserves the benefit-of-doubt over-the-years and, he definitely doesn't deserve the contract he's playing under but, that's more the organizations fault than his. Thanks for responding!
@@mentalprograming5365 Yaaaawn!
Us average size people often forget just how colossal these guys are. 7 foot men are giants and everything is just massive.... injuries, will be massive. Joints on those dudes take serious punishment in their lives
Ahhh all of the sudden being the short kimg at 5’11 does pay off on the downside 😂 May remember seeing Zion dunk in high school right there I knew I wasnt gonna be a hooper for life but at least aint never fractured or broken nothing in my body. my mans makes 200 m’s he gonna be just fine just find rich ppl activities that dont require knees
I've always been curious why the default procedure seems to be removing cartilage from the knee and not replacing it?
I didn’t know his knee was that bad. It reminds me of Jani Hakanpaa’s knee injury in the NHL.
Toronto and him agreed on a contract in July, but it wasn’t officially signed until a week or so before training camp because the team wasn’t sure he’d be able to play at all. They described it as he didn’t have a meniscus in his knee so it was basically bone on bone. And that it wasn’t anything that could necessarily get worse but it was just a pain management thing. And so far he’s only been able to play in 2 of Toronto’s 21 games so far
Joel’s knees have been through a war zone. It’s heartbreaking to see such talent weighed down by injuries, but Dr. Sutterer’s breakdown makes it clear: the Sixers need to prioritise his health over everything else. 🏀💔
it's because he's too heavy im assuming
@baldeagle4710 Weight might play a role, but it's more about the stress from years of high-impact movements and prior injuries. Even lighter players have faced similar knee issues in the NBA.
It would be a lot more heartbreaking if he wasn’t one of the most unlikeable players in the league lol.
Sounds like Embiid is due for the Lonzo Ball surgery if he wants to recover, or at least 1 year or two off the game.
Of Embiid were to win a chip, it would be very similar to Bill Walton’s chip with the Celtics. A former star with several injuries that can be a bench contributor on a talented roster.
I know the feeling when your knees give out and you can't even jump anymore. I never go to the doctor with it, but sometimes
climbing stairs is difficult. As a competitive athlete with Embiid's weight, oh tough
As a Sixer fan, I love this video from a Joel the human standpoint instead of the media and fans constantly bashing him for simply being a large human that has a bad knee.
So sad he was the MVP and got this surgery to come back faster to try help his team in the playoffs. Hopefully he can get back to form soon
repair vs resection is often a *choice* as long as you're prepared to accept a long recovery. seems to me the front office is happy to gamble on getting one good season at the expense of it maybe being the last. i'd be much happier if they rolled the dice on repair, and they get what they get after however long it takes, and everyone lives with it. i think the league could probably change the salary/contract structure to incentivize keeping a player on ice. someone as big as embiid has inherently fragile menisci, relatively speaking, but people seem to expect elite athletes to heal like an 18-YO with an ankle sprain
The loss of meniscal tissue increases joint loading and accelerates degeneration, especially in the lateral compartment. I'd love to see a treament plan that doesn't result in meniscus removal, cause that only decreases career length for a short term improvement.
as a sixers fan the problem is NOT that joel is injured or that there is a constant push to force him to play, its the total and utter LACK of communication to the city about his status. if the front office ever said hes just going to sit out, fine, we will all be satisfied with that answer. There are literally NO updates as to what's going on. There are no reportings
It’s because they want you to be a sucker and pay for tickets! So they’re in it for themselves like the greedy fucks they are. If they told you he was unavailable, you and others wouldn’t spend money on the games. It’s all business to them at the end of the day.
Hey doc. Could you talk about SF 49ers LB Fred Warner playing on a fractured ankle?
Allegedly. I saw that report too! I'm definitely not a Dr. But I don't see anyway possible a football player can play with a broken ankle. If I'm correct the report said its been since week 4.
Obviously Embiid is a better player, but this kind of reminds me of Greg Oden. He was a physical big guy and his knees were completely shot.
Oden would've been way better than Embiid of he stayed healthy.
@@DonKey496🤡
@@DonKey496 That's just exceptional hate. Just stop. Greg Oden would have never sniffed 37 ppg ( which Embiid averaged last year before he tore his meniscus ) even if he was healthy and in his prime. Oden would have been great, but an injury free Embiid is an all-time great talent/player.
@@joelmiiro6349Embiid is great but I don’t think you understand how good oden was going to be. He was taken first overall ahead of KD, and we knew KD was going to be this good during the draft. Think about that.
@@rehmankhan135 so ayton is better than doncic? we all knew luka will be this good .
Explains his shift from slightly more physical play in his younger years to flopping for more free throws and shooting more threes. Wonder how Chuck and Shaq would feel knowing he’s actually been playing through pain in his knee that most likely won’t ever go away. Love those guys but this really shifts the narrative a lot. Meniscus tears have always been the beginning of the end for so many players regardless of caliber and talent; and, if Joel played even 15 years earlier his career probably would’ve been over before he turned 28.
Chuck and Shaq also played through injuries. That's why they feel entitled to talk, because they've lived it. If you remember watching basketball in the 90s like I do, you would remember that all of these guys were icing their knees on the bench. These aren't new issues but today's players are just way softer. Everyone flops, travels, plays terrible lazy defense and whines like children. You can't take 50 million a year and put up bench numbers. He deserves every bit of criticism that's coming his way.
Basketball player and 2 knee surgeries as well. He came back too early. When I came back 6 months after a acl+ mcl surgery my knee would swell up and it felt really unstable. Did anyone see how out of shape he looks? His trainer should have made him swim to keep cardio up and it keeps the leg from atrophying. He should have never played in the Olympics, that's when he should have done PT every day. Anyone recovering from this surgery "Knees over toes guy" is one of the better youtubers to help you strengthen the surrounding muscles to prevent damage/ inflammation. 76er fans....take the season off with Joel.
I'm a 6er fan and I saw this coming a mile away, some of our fans dont understand pattern recognition, but the dude hasn't been able to string 20 straight games together in 3 seasons. I just wish the front office was more honest to the paying fans. I think it's time to focus more on the healthy guys like Maxey. I'm cool with shutting Embiid down, get em as good as possible and then maybe focus more on defense n rebounds and let Maxey do more of the scoring. If Embiid can still be a 20ppg guy and get 13 rebs we'll be ok, but if we keep trying to run the offense through him, it just won't work, we cant rely on him.
Sixers fan here, I’ve seen him have some small injuries here, and there as well, like hyperextensions, and then he’s out 3-4 games, I think the repeated injuries to both sides of his leg, took a toll on him
The problem with him is he always rushed back to playing vs actually fixing his knee the first time. If he spent time and money the first time to do a procedure to clean up his ish, stem cell treatment for a year while dropping weight he might have had a chance.
True
That's what I was saying. I don't think he ever fully rehabbed. As little as he played, he should have played even less, but it's not clear that the team gave him the structured program to improve his body composition and strength.
Rushed back?? Look at his history he’s never played close to a full seasons. The Most overrated and overpaid superstar in history of the sport. No player is rushed back, it’s there body they call the shots. Embiid should simply retire. Rushed back… that’s BS. Healthy enough to play in the Olympics then pulls this BS when the season starts.
He’s a 7 footer that didn’t take his physical health seriously. It’s the same thing as Shaq. Shaq is just lucky.
This is the one! This isn't just about Joel being injury prone, he has an injury which was treated incorrectly to get him back early. If he had taken the right amount of time to heal and put time and energy into his rehab and eating habits, he would have been better off
Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons are a match made in physical therapy.
mental therapy too
Embiid still have 4 more max contract years after this one. Philly is going to pay through the roof. He will turn 31 this year , most players decline around 32, 33.
I would not wish meniscus injuries on anyone. I completely tore my lateral meniscus in my left knee in 2018 (doc said it looked like a bomb went off in it) and it pretty much ended my football playing days. Somehow my ligaments stayed intact. I tried to continue playing in college after the repair and my knee just never felt right. I had a secondary surgery in 2019 for a partial meniscectomy to remove a part that didn’t heal properly. And during surgery the pictures of my cartilage looked terrible, completely frayed like an old rope. Imagine being 18 and told that you’re showing early signs of arthritis. Depression.
Definitely doesn't seem like he'll ever be the same at this point. And he just signed a 3-year $193M fully guaranteed contract extension back in September.
"Trust the process" they said
Stuff like this makes me appreciate that Chris Paul had his lateral meniscus in his right knee removed in 2010. I always kinda expected that to derail his career at some point, and it never did. His size definitely helped, but still felt unlikely.
I think I remember reading that players sometimes choose to get parts of their meniscus removed rather than repaired because the recovery time is much shorter, as well? I'm not an expert so I don't know how true that is, but could be another factor pushing players toward bad long-term outcomes, in hopes of making it back for the playoffs.
In the not too distant future, I guarantee you people will be selling things like ACLs to millionaire athletes to earn money.
No need. We already use allograft or aurografts for ACLs and other ligaments. They are stronger than the original. He needs new meniscus and cartilage which is hard to replace
I had two arthroscopic surgeries on the same thing. Outer meniscus, left knee, baseball injury. I'd be running and my knee would completely give out and I'd slam into the ground. It no longer gives out, but if I stand on it too long, it gets pretty sore.
Father time always strikes all differently...
This ain't an age related thing tho. He's always been abusing his body. Even after all the injuries, he still refuses to change. It's on him.
@@DonKey496it might not be age related necessarily. But a NBA basketball player puts so much load on their legs. His anatomical age as far as his legs is probably closer to 70. High level, high contact athletes age in dog years physically. He’s probably going to have to have his knee replaced soon. Definitely going to have bad arthritis. It’s sheer will and pain tolerance getting him through NBA games. The average citizen couldn’t play at LA fitness for 40 minutes with his knee let alone 40 in the NBA.
@@Waverunner21 Why do you think his legs is that old? Again, it all comes down physical abuse. He put those extra unnecessary miles on his knees cuz of his own playstyle. You can't blame all of it on bad luck.
Look, I'm anti load management essentially, but I don't think the average person even remotely understands how serious, painful, and debilitating some of these injuries may be. Let alone, I assume most of these people making these comments have never played sports at a high level regardless nor played through pain.
That being said, there are so many athletes who had chronic knee issues and had to retire or fell off basically in their prime years. Todd Gurley is a prime example, he was cooked by like age 24-25 after being the best RB in the NFL. D-Wade had a long career, but his knees were fried. D-Rose as well. There are endless similar situations. And when you factor in a player of Embiid's size, knees and ligaments/joints in general are nothing to play with. He isn't some 5'8 170lb guy people.
This isn't sitting guys that are healthy. Maybe people should erase that word or phrase from their minds. This isn't load management this is a guy who is injured and just can't go every game. I don't get why that's so unreasonable
Meniscus tear pretty much ended everything I used to do sports wise
Unfortunately embiid is on track to have major walking problems as he ages
Nice vid doc, Joel got so much criticism this time around with Sixers bad results and leaked meetings issue.
One thing i can't understand why they let Joel play last playoffs and Olympic games, it's sad watch him play through injury like that
Is short, his better playing days is very possibly behind him.
Wish he would have brought up Jalen Ramsey. He had a repair done and although hes not Joels size he does play a pretty unforgiving position at at very high level and came back after his surgery and continued to play well.
Wave goodbye to Joel & Kawhi ...👋🏾✌🏾
i can relate. knees been in pain for like over a year now and im only 25 lol and didnt even injure it at all. squat hasnt gotten stronger since it started hurting
This is looking like Patrick Ewing's career.
Joel Embiid having a Blake griffin type of career instead of a Tim Duncan and Shaq career 😮
I think people need to lower expectations for Joel’s play that being said stuff like constantly being late and not acting like a leader with his poor attitude is fair game to criticize since it’s been like this his entire career.
I imagine his poor attitude and punctuality with the Sixers leads to a lackadaisical attitude towards physical therapy as well.
@@alexloux2592It does. If dude doesn’t take any of that shit seriously, what makes you think he’d take the other shit seriously?
its fine he beat the joker 6-2 anyway before this 😂
@@alexloux2592 I’m sure you do. Gives you a reason to bash him since you can’t say that his injury is fake.
He's the franchise player getting paid a lot of money. With that comes with high expectations.
When they announced it was getting removed and not repaired back in February, I knew we were cooked
Embiid should have repaired the meniscus instead of removing it completely. Now he needs a whole new meniscus if he ever wants to be close to his MVP season again. He sacrificed a full recovery for a quick fix to get back on the court. Unfortunate situation.
The only major sin that I can see if they didn’t force him to undergo a meniscus repair rather than a meniscectomy in 2017. They weren’t championship contenders back then and would have had the time to wait for the full recovery.
But then again it might have been impossible for this case.
Also, Embiid being out of shape for that whole period surely didn’t help either
The problem is he’s 280 or heavier.
Yeah but he's at least 7 foot tall or damn near it.
I'm 6'2 265lbs. I'm obviously overweight by 40-50 lbs. 😅
I'm 6"7' 290 and never had knee problems. Played b'ball seriously for years then rugby. He doesn't look after him self properly.
@@RobertJ-lk5bbyou’re a goddamn clown comparing your corny playing time to Joel Embiid lmao cmon man!!!
@@RobertJ-lk5bbor just maybe everyone body is different you Fing 🤡. Just cause u ain’t have knees problems doesn’t mean someone else can’t. Never tore shit in my knees. But they always in pain. Watch a high school girl tear her acl 3 years in a row rehabbing every second just to try and play n guess what another tear
@@RobertJ-lk5bb I'm not being argumentative, just curious. How do you/did you take care of your body?
Highly recommend Sihvonen’s paper in NEJM about partial meniscectomy. Seems to indicate that the procedure isn’t really effective despite being standard of care a lot of places. Meniscal repair or replacement seem to have actual clinical benefits that removal doesn’t.
Embiid's career is over. So is Paul George and Daryl Morey. Funny thing is PG is a downgrade from Tobias Harris.
Why isn’t more focus put on building the surrounding muscles (like kneesovertoes type of exercises)?
You can have my meniscus Embiid.
Not big enough
I was injury prone. It plays with your mind. I still have symptoms 30 years later
The team has those demands and expectations after they paid him the amount they did and the amount they have over the years without a conference finals appearance to show for it to this point. Its ruthless but that's how pro sports becomes
hope you're keeping well sir!
I think Embiid and Simmons should be considered as a combined Patient Zero as an example of what can happen when an organization gets too full of itself and starts drinking its own kool-aid. IMO this entire "Process" was the worst sports experiment of all time, and at least in part ruined two promising careers due to mismanagement, unreasonable expectations, and horrible HR. And it all started with Markelle Fultz/Nerlens Noel era. I even wanna say back as far as Elton Brand
This. Basketball gods really cursed "The Process" as it was a travesty to the sport. Any product of it has not a good career so far. MCW, Okafor, etc (2013 to 2018 era)
Markelle Fultz’s story is still sad asl. Dude was really damn good when healthy.
"The Process" was just an excuse for ownership not to have a payroll while they sold "hope" and "the future" to its fanbase for a few seasons. The initial tank made sense for them to do but they milked it for years and made all kinds of bad decisions along the way because the ownership doesn't actually understand the nuances of or care about basketball. They only own the team because they want to build a new stadium near Philly's Chinatown district which nobody in the city actually wants. Every other sports stadium has been located in a huge parking lot in South Philly for half a century but they have this brilliant idea to gentrify an area of the city while also exacerbating already heavy city traffic near there. Then they'll sell the team at its increased value from the new stadium. The owner of the team also owns the Washington Commanders (Rivals to the Eagles) and the New Jersey Devils (rivals to the Flyers). All billionaire sports team owners are ruthless profiteers but the Sixers/Commanders/Devils owner might just be the biggest carpetbagger in all of sports.
Is it possible to replace the meniscus with some bio plastic material, instead of just removing part of it?
If you don't want the expectations, then don't take the money. Sounds callous but that's what comes with these massive super-max or max contacts: a lot of expectations for on-court production. They're not paying you that much to put up 15 ppg or sit out half the season. And if that's truly what you're able to contribute to a team, then don't expect anywhere near that amount on your next contract.
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my point exactly. If you're having these types of issues, wtf are you doing asking for $193M?
@ and the Sixers willingly gave it to him.
Yeah, if someone laid $195M on the table, I doubt your nobility is gonna kick in and you haggle down to $65K.
I tore part of my meniscus about 10 years ago. My swelling was coming down as I approached surgery. I skipped the surgery. I get around fine now. My knee stopped clicking after a while. I run, hike, no issues. I think I made the right choice. But I also don’t play in the NBA.
Remember, he was always a volleyball player from childhood
Soccer
I suffered a miniscus injury last summer. And Im telling you, it's not easily managed. Sometimes you feel great. But if that flap, created from that tear, starts flipping around. Ouch!! I literally just got surgery for a partial miniscus removal last week. Obviously Im not a pro athlete, but I am a huge basketball fan and I played basketball on a decently high level on this injury. It really is a tough one.
Embiid is Greg Oden of today NBA.
Nah embiid played way longer than oden 😂
Very informative video as usual, doc. Can you do one one Reece james? He is a soccer player from Chelsea and has been suffering from a recurring hamstring issue for the past couple of years. Thanks.
Doc: Does the fact that your knees are hurting automatically make you late to every team event?
Good point 👉
Mental aspect of injuries. Zion stayed away from the team because of knee injuries. Same with kawhi.
@@donaldf9055 F**k that. If you can't handle injuries, don't become a PROFESSIONAL basketball player that takes in millions per year.
You're the man Brian. Unfortunately fans and media would rather just shoot off at the mouth than understand the reality of injuries. Sixers front office has done a complete disservice to Joel by being so shady with reporting
It would be a lot easier to feel sorry for Embiid if he wasn't such a pos.
So basically, he is our era, Brandon Roy.... a lot of talent, a lot a promise, but his legs were so messed up it wouldn't matter
They paid him a max extension. It’s completely fair to hold him to a high standard
Who cares if they gave him a lifetime contract. You can’t play on a damaged knee like that. I swear fans stay looking into someone’s pockets. Players are human not Tesla bots.
@@alhajsaccoh820 His contract affects the team bro thats why. Look at Simmons and the Nets for example. We not just "looking into someone’s pockets" for no reason
That’s on the team for giving it to him. I doubt anyone would be like “oh I don’t want hundreds of millions because of ExPeCtAtIoNs”. He finessed Philly and now these are the consequences. Maybe if the league didn’t overhype him and gave him that pity MVP, you don’t pay him the max. Lol
You also have to keep in mind that Joel embiid was injured in college. It wasn't a knee injury. It was a broken bone in his right foot but when you're that big a dude that's probably going to always bother you.
It certainly does help Embiid has cut corners his entire career. He’s never taken basketball nearly as seriously as he should have.
wear and tear that happens if you run and jump everyday after many years them knees wont be the same
When you get off the floor 20x more than the average player from all the flopping it must wear on you. Maybe some flop management instead of load management this time
Name all the injuries he had from flopping.
@ he injured his puss back to back playoffs. And i guess now his knees are dust from all that getting up off the floor so much. He’s probably injured others more from throwing himself on the floor thought, so ill consider it basketball karma
Explains a lot thank you for the video
womp womp, highly skilled player that would rather whine and flop for free-throws. Getting payed millions, resting every other game, and will still get injured when it matters most. Dude got a pity mvp and now he is gonna go down as the only mvp to never make it past the 2nd round of playoffs.
did you even watch the video?
nba circlejerker found lol
@@azzureeee These Embiid haters have spread like a fucking disease, yo.
TLDR, they CHOOSE TO COME BACK FAST AF, so they did a MENISCECTOMY INSTEAD of allowing it time to heal and rehab, AND NOW HE HAS TO LITTLE LEFT OF HIS LATERAL MENISCUS, therefore HE WILL ALWAYS HAVE KNEE PROBLEMS ala Lonzo Ball
Sitting here a week after acl surgery, I totally understand
So you’re saying I should trade Embiid on fantasy?
Update: I now have Luka Doncic
I had a meniscus knee injury 5 years ago. I couldn't run on it. I avoided surgery and I did rubber band exercises and hit the chiropractor and sauna steam bath ice bath hot tub ocean everyday. After 1 month my meniscus healed enough to cushion my knee and run hard playing sports. Lesson is never do surgery