I think you got Mage and Shaman healing wrong, I think the top guilds would like a mage healer more than the average guilds. Mage healing being another DPS I think could become a meta in speedrunning guilds. In my experience, how better your raid is at doing the raid, the easier it is to heal on a mage. Shamans are good tank healers and they have been, even in classic you ended up often chain healing the tank with the bonus of some extra spread healing on the raid. Overload makes Healing Waves on the tank pretty powerful and the last thing is that as a Shaman you can't compete with the AOE healing of other classes. Mage AOE healing is insane, Druid AOE healing is insane, and circle is the most optimal ability to pick on a priest now we have serendipity into greater heals anway, we don't need penance. So for Shaman, it actually is better to be tank healing, and you're good at it too.
Not to mention the biggest oof for Shaman healing is the cast times, now we have a rune that reduces it by 30%. I still don't know why the set gear buffs healing rain, but maybe for 20 mans have a instant cast HR will out perform Overload? But then again that reduces the single target heal potential.
Dont underestimate resto shaman . Riptide and tidal are hudge for pvp, with earth shield. i thhink resto shaman orc might become unkillable for melles in future.
for mage healing if this helps do not use single target regeneration at all just use enlightenment rune for mana regen and more spell damage and only use mass regen and chronostaic preservation, the only thing that make mage healing unreliavle atm is the fact that mass regen wont heal targets with single target regen so removing that runue from your build fixes all problems mage heal has and lets it pump twice as muuch healing as others :) maggle shadowstrike (au) is my mage i use advanced warding, enlightenment, displacement, arcane blast, chronostatic preservation, mass regeneration and the missile runes :)
The priest crit runes are honestly not very good. Priests don't scale well with crit, they don't itemize for it, and their talents don't offer any synergy with it. Just makes no sense why they would try to make that the focus.
It's baffling how you do not realize that it doesn't matter what their focus previously was. In SoD runes completely change the toolkit... Try to keep up boomer 😉.
@Mr.Sr.Jr. Dumbest comment I've ever read. How can you just "keep up" when Blizzard says "you're focusing on crit now" when there are ZERO crit talents and ZERO crit% runes available? Rub those two brain cells together a little faster and maybe you'll have a somewhat intelligent thought.
@@geek921 Damn you are so triggered. Take a break from gaming for a sec... Seriously, if you are this emotionall fragile over someone correcting you on your opinion on a video game mechanic then you really need to be reflecting on your gaming/life balance.
Mage healing is best off healer, not a primary heal in a raid. Does dungoens just fine as long as your not trying to aoe grind it. The amount of dps that suck and expect 12+ mob pulls right now is absurd and makes dungoens annoying, but great otherwise.
@Midgaardsorm-ob8je as in don't rely on a mage to be an tank heals. Not that they are the best off healer you can have. Honestly majority of shadow preists dont off heal well. In the current gnomer meta a well geared arcane can do good dps first 4 bosses and then off heal/button push last 2 really well.
I heal for a top parse guild atm and I can assure you Mage healer is the BEST healer, not only consistent healing but also damage. They just do everything a healer would while also dpsing its a broken mechanic in classic setting. Bosses die so fast that one application of beacon on anyone will basically last the whole fight. When boss fights are short mage healers thrive, not only that but they are the highest dps of all besides spriest among healers. Super insane op spec atm.
I agree, as a disc main I'm amazed by the healing and dps done by the mages... first time i switchen to priest healer because they usually the best in classic and now the mages are stealing the spotlight haha
Mages performs well under a controlled environment, strong guild structure and farm content. They are absolute garbage in emergency situations. Their HPS takes too long to set up and requires a stationary presence. That’s why they show up high in top parses but sucks in the median parses. Make a mage heal in a somewhat bad pug and they wont be able to carry as much as other classes that can react faster with bad situations and movement.
The thing is you can just batch mass regen after a arcane blast. So all you have to do as a mage healer is spam damage/arcane blast till damage goes out then follow up the next gcd with a mass regen. It's really not that hard. It does need a bitt more knowledge but yeah, how it woorks atm is super strong. Spam damage till damage goes out and then hit mass regen and you can also cast chronostatic as you channel spells like arcane missiles. The spec is insane. @@DanielKochenburger
@@sanmedina The title is "Best Healer". Therefore, it should be a priest video :). Because priests are the best was the point @2mangos is making. It's a joke.
No disrespect, but really? Don't get me wrong, we are strong healers but we have been completely ignored compared to all the other healers evidence by how many holy paladin specific runes we've gotten. It's so boring just pressing Flash all the time.
@@Kkrider84 I get it 100%, the spell variety isn't there and the holy specific runes are lacking, but I love how powerful and efficient our hps is. Timing boss melees with sacred shield procs is interesting enough to give me something to think about, and needing to melee when I reapply beacon and sacred shield makes me more aware of positioning than usual. I've enjoyed it a lot so far, and no other class can compete with our tank healing and buff utility. It's not retail levels of engaging gameplay, so I understand why it isn't for everyone, but dang man, it feels really good to be wanted! 😀 plus I can troll the other casters for not having 400+ spell power, those peasants!
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I think you got Mage and Shaman healing wrong, I think the top guilds would like a mage healer more than the average guilds. Mage healing being another DPS I think could become a meta in speedrunning guilds. In my experience, how better your raid is at doing the raid, the easier it is to heal on a mage. Shamans are good tank healers and they have been, even in classic you ended up often chain healing the tank with the bonus of some extra spread healing on the raid. Overload makes Healing Waves on the tank pretty powerful and the last thing is that as a Shaman you can't compete with the AOE healing of other classes. Mage AOE healing is insane, Druid AOE healing is insane, and circle is the most optimal ability to pick on a priest now we have serendipity into greater heals anway, we don't need penance. So for Shaman, it actually is better to be tank healing, and you're good at it too.
Not to mention the biggest oof for Shaman healing is the cast times, now we have a rune that reduces it by 30%. I still don't know why the set gear buffs healing rain, but maybe for 20 mans have a instant cast HR will out perform Overload? But then again that reduces the single target heal potential.
Dont underestimate resto shaman . Riptide and tidal are hudge for pvp, with earth shield. i thhink resto shaman orc might become unkillable for melles in future.
Ye I agree. With riptide and their sustain I could see them being on par with priests in pvp healing , especially in stv
for mage healing if this helps do not use single target regeneration at all just use enlightenment rune for mana regen and more spell damage and only use mass regen and chronostaic preservation, the only thing that make mage healing unreliavle atm is the fact that mass regen wont heal targets with single target regen so removing that runue from your build fixes all problems mage heal has and lets it pump twice as muuch healing as others :) maggle shadowstrike (au) is my mage i use advanced warding, enlightenment, displacement, arcane blast, chronostatic preservation, mass regeneration and the missile runes :)
That makes me sad about the resto shaman too I wanted to try it since I mained it in classic
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The priest crit runes are honestly not very good. Priests don't scale well with crit, they don't itemize for it, and their talents don't offer any synergy with it. Just makes no sense why they would try to make that the focus.
Maybe just maybe with this runes we will
Prioritise crit now
It's baffling how you do not realize that it doesn't matter what their focus previously was. In SoD runes completely change the toolkit... Try to keep up boomer 😉.
@Mr.Sr.Jr. Dumbest comment I've ever read. How can you just "keep up" when Blizzard says "you're focusing on crit now" when there are ZERO crit talents and ZERO crit% runes available? Rub those two brain cells together a little faster and maybe you'll have a somewhat intelligent thought.
@@geek921 Damn you are so triggered. Take a break from gaming for a sec... Seriously, if you are this emotionall fragile over someone correcting you on your opinion on a video game mechanic then you really need to be reflecting on your gaming/life balance.
very nice analysis, maybe i will consider a druid :P
Mage healing is best off healer, not a primary heal in a raid. Does dungoens just fine as long as your not trying to aoe grind it. The amount of dps that suck and expect 12+ mob pulls right now is absurd and makes dungoens annoying, but great otherwise.
Shadow priests are best off healers.
@Midgaardsorm-ob8je as in don't rely on a mage to be an tank heals. Not that they are the best off healer you can have. Honestly majority of shadow preists dont off heal well. In the current gnomer meta a well geared arcane can do good dps first 4 bosses and then off heal/button push last 2 really well.
mage healer is the best tank heal ingame. even better than pala.
@@PasskiX notice how my post was from P2 and time exists.
I heal for a top parse guild atm and I can assure you Mage healer is the BEST healer, not only consistent healing but also damage. They just do everything a healer would while also dpsing its a broken mechanic in classic setting. Bosses die so fast that one application of beacon on anyone will basically last the whole fight. When boss fights are short mage healers thrive, not only that but they are the highest dps of all besides spriest among healers. Super insane op spec atm.
I agree, as a disc main I'm amazed by the healing and dps done by the mages... first time i switchen to priest healer because they usually the best in classic and now the mages are stealing the spotlight haha
Mages performs well under a controlled environment, strong guild structure and farm content. They are absolute garbage in emergency situations. Their HPS takes too long to set up and requires a stationary presence. That’s why they show up high in top parses but sucks in the median parses. Make a mage heal in a somewhat bad pug and they wont be able to carry as much as other classes that can react faster with bad situations and movement.
The thing is you can just batch mass regen after a arcane blast. So all you have to do as a mage healer is spam damage/arcane blast till damage goes out then follow up the next gcd with a mass regen. It's really not that hard. It does need a bitt more knowledge but yeah, how it woorks atm is super strong. Spam damage till damage goes out and then hit mass regen and you can also cast chronostatic as you channel spells like arcane missiles. The spec is insane.
@@DanielKochenburger
bait and switch.... you said it was about priests wtf.
it doesn't even say priest in the title or thumbnail idk how much clearer you need me to be
@@sanmedina The title is "Best Healer". Therefore, it should be a priest video :). Because priests are the best was the point @2mangos is making. It's a joke.
First
Priest most dps healer? Haha what? No.
I was thinking the same thing. I've mained priest all of SoD and the only damage I can do is wand. SWP costs way too much mana to keep on bosses.
We holy paladins lowkey been eating good this whole season, the rich are getting richer 😂
No disrespect, but really? Don't get me wrong, we are strong healers but we have been completely ignored compared to all the other healers evidence by how many holy paladin specific runes we've gotten.
It's so boring just pressing Flash all the time.
@@Kkrider84 I get it 100%, the spell variety isn't there and the holy specific runes are lacking, but I love how powerful and efficient our hps is. Timing boss melees with sacred shield procs is interesting enough to give me something to think about, and needing to melee when I reapply beacon and sacred shield makes me more aware of positioning than usual. I've enjoyed it a lot so far, and no other class can compete with our tank healing and buff utility. It's not retail levels of engaging gameplay, so I understand why it isn't for everyone, but dang man, it feels really good to be wanted! 😀 plus I can troll the other casters for not having 400+ spell power, those peasants!
@@Kkrider84been playing hpala since day 1 of sod and we keep getting screwed in our runes.