While having been a Gino fan for years I only became aware of Enzo recently via the "Where am I going" video. I immediately was taken by Enzo's work not only because of the difficulty of the piece but his use of rests in the drum break instead a flurry of all he could squeeze in. Gino's bands have launched many a career of world class musicians. I will always love everything Gino did and can still hardly comprehend how one of the most prolific, talented artists of our time won ONE grammy for ONE song and nothing else. 😳
Still, so memorable, miss you Enzo , and what you brought to my city on that night. Was there, and know that few, in a night of such high emotion , could have brought it the way you did. Live....RIP brother, miss you ....
My goodness, I didn't know he was gone. This is sad news. The first time I heard him, I knew he was special. And you don't get to play with Vanelli unless you are. My condolences. He was a grand dandy on a drum kit.
yes, each GV drummer really brought it. an avid follower since his first album for all your same reasons. Enzo is my favorite and served his music best at a time when it was most refined.
I agree saw and heard them all with Gino ...Enzo had the sound, the chops, and everything else for Gino...hands down was the best drummer for gino at this period...I saw Gino with his new group and they were all great players but everytime I listen to this album and see this video I hope he does one more tour with the edge he had back then...what is Enzo doing today...besides growing old like the rest of us?
@panoz360 yes! Enzo brings some great new ideas to these tunes. "Drop beats" havent heard that phrase but descriptive . If you mean leaving interesting spaces between rips... this whole DVD is a wealth of info ideas for me ..I've heard about every version of B2B & Gino's stuff from Lear to Craney to Todesco. All great drummers..
@porcaro4ever glad it helped. I've deeply studied Enzo's work on this DVD first cuz the music is so good..Have always been a Gino fan..secondly cuz Enzo's interpretation is , to me, so cool! He is a PIT grad and childhood prodigy. I have learned much by repeated viewing & duplicating. Even the stuff I originally learned wrong led to creating more & interesting stickings. I've improved as a player incorporating things I've learned from Enzo into my own style...
Gino Vannelli is one of my favorite singer/songwriter/producers ever. I'm a huge fan, but I've always been disappointed with the performance of this drummer shown in this video. He is not swinging at all. His breaks, break up the rhythm of the groove in a way that takes away the power of this fusion classic. A robot or drum machine could sound better than this guy. It sounds like fusion by the numbers.Take this kid back to beginners class. Omar Hakim, Lenny White, SOMEBODY teach this kid! Please
@db0956 Enzo's drumming is held in high regard by world class drummers..hence brilliantbeing's mind is filled with lunacy ha ha..... ET's drumming is fresh, tastefully executed & lifts the song..Gino is notorious for using the best players.
Thnks. Gino only uses the best I learn from all them.. Grahsm Lear, Mark Craney, etc. Enzo is my new favorite. Lots of possibilities just from stealing chops on these two videos..
no debate here.. Gino got my attention w/ Graham. Mark Craney took his music to even higher levels. I just think that Enzo best represents those previous players & contributes his own flair to GV
jim, 53,40yrs too.was there when gino hit the scene round 74. 2bad u cant hear the whole tune.Enzo comes outa the gate smokin. As a DGfan I love backwards playing. E's approach is just that..he zig's when I would zag but within the confines and supporting the tune. tape this,audio onlyand try to play along/duplicate his fills.I found it very enlightening. plus I didnt have to transpose from left hnded to rt hnded (craney)
jim, I wont disparage Mark C. Very tasty & creative. In the 80's.but by todays standards ...those Sonors sound like cardboard boxes.. Itoo was suprised someone could trump Craney's performance on B to B.......but its a matter of tastes... In my opinion, Each Gino drummer picked it up a notch Lear, Craney then DG. Then Enzo. Enzo just blows me away.He only uses one kick pedal , his drums sound amazing & his tasty, aggressive approach leaves me wanting more....thanks for the comment
This guy's an awesome drummer...he adds his own technique to the song but who says he has to play it like the original drummer? If Enzo's drumming is good enough for Gino Vanelli, it's good enough for me.
@malko42 at first I also thought the toms were too blappy like Premier kit but I've gotten used to them don't forget they also used ddrum triggers and joe processed the final mix
@rbxb riff is like BA da da BA BA da BA da da BA da da BA da da BA BA da BA da BA da da.. get that riff in head using 8ths as above (add the foot) remember the 2nd BA, 4th BA & 7th BA is Left hand...put THAT all together..then for every single "da" double them - BA dada dada BA BA dada BA dada dada BA dada dada BA dada dada BA BA dada BA dada BA dada dada I know its a weird way of describing it but I can do the lick now...cheers!
@porcaro4ever I'm not well versed in heory & dont sight read but.......Iafter shedding on this passage (0:28 -) i stsrted out with doing just double stroke rolls making the 8th note strokes 16ths. then practiced that in sync w/ tune. isolated the kick accents... added the acents with the hands (dbling the kick) it turned out a permutated inside 5 stroke roll. hardest for me was lifting the handsto cymbals and back & all smooth AND a couple of the doubled accents are with Left Hand & Foot
@Brilliantbeing I couldnt disagree with you more but appreciate your input... It's easy to hold the recorded original licks in high regard. as stated Craney raised the bar...Enzo brings (then) new blood & perspective to this great song ..If you spend the time to listen & learn Craneys fills then learn these fills with correct sticking and single right foot integration you'll be suprised.. I have & it spawned many fill ideas i've incorporated in my own playing
Very True. But with all due respect, don't forget Gino is a drummer by trade. The rest came later. You gotta figure he knows when it comes to drums. JMHO!
@Naughtry hmmm... tuned higher ....maybe.. but Joe V produced this & maybe the equipment is better & the drums just sound fuller, bigger & better with more decay.. Gino's drummers have sent me to the shed since 1974. They all offer great stuff to learn..
drummer3278 dude you gotta get the whole video. Craney was very unique and interesting! but Enzo is far from standard fare. the more you listen the more you hear.next time listen thru a PA or big stereo ..his toms explode!
I like the old drummers better for sure. They had more Jazz flare and progressive chops. That drummer on this clip is good but to me he seems more like a ROCK player. His drums are tunned much lower like a rock kit. the 70s drummers had more tight chops and higher tunned toms. Still good players.
@rbxb - of course it's not a swing song. You don't even understand. Swing as in dance. Not as in Tommy Dorsey big band. Swing meaning sway. Swag if you will. This drummer is a robot. No swag, no sway, no swing, no groove; just banging.
We do agree on the drum sound. Sounds like a glorified LINN drum. And, yes, I am a rhythm expert, thank you. On this passage he is way too busy and devoid of funk swing.
And nothing when you are nobody, you stay nobody. Just because you could never play like him get over it!I know it is hard to accept but really GET OVER IT! Not even in your dreams...
You're totally wrong. Trying to sound like an expert or something. Enzo nailed this hole concert from the beginning to the end. He grooves well and has endless chops. But one thing i must admit; I don't like the sound of the drums, but that's another story.
@DudemanSwede Your comments lead one to think you put Craney in a class above Weckl? Hmm.... "boring linear patterns" !!! Not to diss Craney but Weckl & Todesco's technical ability would send Mark to the woodshed.. todesco does these one one kick drum & has more involved hand work..
@DudemanSwede we all fall into the trap of concluding somebody is "better". you right its more a matter of subjectivity.... Is Vinnie better than Buddy??? hhhhhahaha no can ever prove amigo. but they both are not of this earth....musically : )
@DudemanSwede and you right about not being paradiddles else why would Wipe Out and Ina Gadda Da Vida solos still be standards if it were that then henly would have lost his job long ago. his playing is boring and uninspiring but fits the eagles... im just sayi
@rbxb - I am not a passive listener, and I have heard Craney live. But I'm not talking about the merits of Craney, but rather the bigger picture of groove. This drummer simply misses the groove. He misses the swing of the song. He sounds like a drum machine, not a grooving drummer.
@Brilliantbeing " He is not swinging at all." ---- This isnt a "swing" song per se. ---Are you a drummer? " His breaks, break up the rhythm of the groove in a way that takes away the power of this fusion classic." ---His breaks are comping. leaving the guide notes (punches) intact * propel the song . " A robot or drum machine could sound better than this guy." --- thats like saying Keith Richards could replace Larry Carlton in a Steely Dan tune! would you prefer MC Hammers drummer?
Enzo is a fine drummer, but not even a worthy warm-up act compared to Craney. You can tell Enzo's been studying Weckl's boring linear patterns, but cred's to you Enzo. You've done your homework! I wish it could have been less static though. R.I.P. Mark. Good grooves, Enzo
You'd have to understand the finer points to rhythm to really see how much this cat is lacking. You cannot teach the more subtle and nuance points. You either have it or you don't. This cat "Don't".
brilliantbeing is a complete idiot and totally unqualified to pass judgement on Enzo..my god ..the guy likes kanya west and hip hop shit hahahahahahahahahahahahah go back to your drum machine bb....
While having been a Gino fan for years I only became aware of Enzo recently via the "Where am I going" video. I immediately was taken by Enzo's work not only because of the difficulty of the piece but his use of rests in the drum break instead a flurry of all he could squeeze in. Gino's bands have launched many a career of world class musicians. I will always love everything Gino did and can still hardly comprehend how one of the most prolific, talented artists of our time won ONE grammy for ONE song and nothing else. 😳
Still, so memorable, miss you Enzo , and what you brought to my city on that night. Was there, and know that few, in a night of such high emotion , could have brought it the way you did. Live....RIP brother, miss you ....
I saw this live in Detroit early 90's amazing!
R.I.P. my beloved friend Enzo, may the angels sing and dance like I always did every time you played drums. We miss you so much.
My goodness, I didn't know he was gone. This is sad news. The first time I heard him, I knew he was special. And you don't get to play with Vanelli unless you are. My condolences. He was a grand dandy on a drum kit.
I miss him dearly. best cat and drummer ever, sig. Leo
Watching this amazing. Man put his heart into these drums. I didn't know he passed. Thank u for.sharing your gift
yes, each GV drummer really brought it. an avid follower since his first album for all your same reasons. Enzo is my favorite and served his music best at a time when it was most refined.
oh my god! Thank you so much for uploading this treasure. A magnificent example of technique, rythmical skill and good taste
Bjorn
I agree saw and heard them all with Gino ...Enzo had the sound, the chops, and everything else for Gino...hands down was the best drummer for gino at this period...I saw Gino with his new group and they were all great players but everytime I listen to this album and see this video I hope he does one more tour with the edge he had back then...what is Enzo doing today...besides growing old like the rest of us?
This song is a Masterpiece ‼️💎
thanks
I really dig Enzo's fills on these two tunes.
Bravo sei un grande
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@panoz360 yes! Enzo brings some great new ideas to these tunes. "Drop beats" havent heard that phrase but descriptive . If you mean leaving interesting spaces between rips... this whole DVD is a wealth of info ideas for me ..I've heard about every version of B2B & Gino's stuff from Lear to Craney to Todesco. All great drummers..
@porcaro4ever glad it helped. I've deeply studied Enzo's work on this DVD first cuz the music is so good..Have always been a Gino fan..secondly cuz Enzo's interpretation is , to me, so cool! He is a PIT grad and childhood prodigy. I have learned much by repeated viewing & duplicating. Even the stuff I originally learned wrong led to creating more & interesting stickings. I've improved as a player incorporating things I've learned from Enzo into my own style...
Gino Vannelli is one of my favorite singer/songwriter/producers ever. I'm a huge fan, but I've always been disappointed with the performance of this drummer shown in this video. He is not swinging at all. His breaks, break up the rhythm of the groove in a way that takes away the power of this fusion classic. A robot or drum machine could sound better than this guy. It sounds like fusion by the numbers.Take this kid back to beginners class. Omar Hakim, Lenny White, SOMEBODY teach this kid! Please
@db0956 Enzo's drumming is held in high regard by world class drummers..hence brilliantbeing's mind is filled with lunacy ha ha..... ET's drumming is fresh, tastefully executed & lifts the song..Gino is notorious for using the best players.
His snare is pretty high tuned, which is the opposite of how rock drummers in the 70s tuned their snares - low.
who doesnt? You'll never hear me diss Craney He was a monster! Missed by those of us who know!
Compared to real drummers this cat Enzo is a banger. A lot of notes, sans method or groove.
Thnks.
Gino only uses the best I learn from all them.. Grahsm Lear, Mark Craney, etc. Enzo is my new favorite. Lots of possibilities just from stealing chops on these two videos..
no debate here..
Gino got my attention w/ Graham. Mark Craney took his music to even higher levels. I just think that Enzo best represents those previous players & contributes his own flair to GV
I don't know if this drummer is "good" or not-I'll let the experts decide that, but I like the way he breaks up the groove, and he has monster tone.
@stromghouls Yes, & what he brings adds even more..
jim, 53,40yrs too.was there when gino hit the scene round 74. 2bad u cant hear the whole tune.Enzo comes outa the gate smokin. As a DGfan I love backwards playing. E's approach is just that..he zig's when I would zag but within the confines and supporting the tune. tape this,audio onlyand try to play along/duplicate his fills.I found it very enlightening. plus I didnt have to transpose from left hnded to rt hnded (craney)
@rbxb
actually thats not a wierd way at all dude! i can feel the accents i just wasn't sure how he was sticking. Thanks for the help dude! Peace!!
jim,
I wont disparage Mark C. Very tasty & creative. In the 80's.but by todays standards ...those Sonors sound like cardboard boxes.. Itoo was suprised someone could trump Craney's performance on B to B.......but its a matter of tastes...
In my opinion, Each Gino drummer picked it up a notch
Lear, Craney then DG. Then Enzo. Enzo just blows me away.He only uses one kick pedal , his drums sound amazing & his tasty, aggressive approach leaves me wanting more....thanks for the comment
I´m confused. Was that a drum solo by Todesco or a breakdance solo by Vanelli?
@rbxb - thanks Roland RBXB Drum Machine. I'm appearing nightly at Zany's. :)
This guy's an awesome drummer...he adds his own technique to the song but who says he has to play it like the original drummer? If Enzo's drumming is good enough for Gino Vanelli, it's good enough for me.
@malko42 at first I also thought the toms were too blappy like Premier kit but I've gotten used to them don't forget they also used ddrum triggers and joe processed the final mix
@rbxb riff is like BA da da BA BA da BA da da BA da da BA da da BA BA da BA da BA da da.. get that riff in head using 8ths as above (add the foot) remember the 2nd BA, 4th BA & 7th BA is Left hand...put THAT all together..then for every single "da" double them - BA dada dada BA BA dada BA dada dada BA dada dada BA dada dada BA BA dada BA dada BA dada dada I know its a weird way of describing it but I can do the lick now...cheers!
@porcaro4ever I'm not well versed in heory & dont sight read but.......Iafter shedding on this passage (0:28 -) i stsrted out with doing just double stroke rolls making the 8th note strokes 16ths. then practiced that in sync w/ tune. isolated the kick accents... added the acents with the hands (dbling the kick) it turned out a permutated inside 5 stroke roll. hardest for me was lifting the handsto cymbals and back & all smooth AND a couple of the doubled accents are with Left Hand & Foot
@Brilliantbeing
I couldnt disagree with you more but appreciate your input... It's easy to hold the recorded original licks in high regard. as stated Craney raised the bar...Enzo brings (then) new blood & perspective to this great song ..If you spend the time to listen & learn Craneys fills then learn these fills with correct sticking and single right foot integration you'll be suprised.. I have & it spawned many fill ideas i've incorporated in my own playing
Very True. But with all due respect, don't forget Gino is a drummer by trade. The rest came later. You gotta figure he knows when it comes to drums. JMHO!
@Naughtry - Precisely.
You're right. He's Mike Miller
yeah, pioneered by Mark. Who's Mark? All we know are Enzo and yadda yadda
man what rudiment and sticking do you think is he doing at 0:28? Any ideas anyone?
he put's his heart in it! :)
@Naughtry hmmm... tuned higher ....maybe.. but Joe V produced this & maybe the equipment is better & the drums just sound fuller, bigger & better with more decay..
Gino's drummers have sent me to the shed since 1974. They all offer great stuff to learn..
@DudemanSwede and you right about not being paradiddles else why would Wipe Out and Ina Gadda Da Vida solos still be standards
drummer3278
dude you gotta get the whole video. Craney was very unique and interesting! but Enzo is far from standard fare. the more you listen the more you hear.next time listen thru a PA or big stereo ..his toms explode!
@Brilliantbeing you're a funny guy
I like the old drummers better for sure. They had more Jazz flare and progressive chops. That drummer on this clip is good but to me he seems more like a ROCK player. His drums are tunned much lower like a rock kit. the 70s drummers had more tight chops and higher tunned toms. Still good players.
dont remember guitarist name but it is not Lukather..Good eyes tho' he does kinda resemble him.
ain't no mark craney.
Not by a long shot!
@rbxb - of course it's not a swing song. You don't even understand. Swing as in dance. Not as in Tommy Dorsey big band. Swing meaning sway. Swag if you will. This drummer is a robot. No swag, no sway, no swing, no groove; just banging.
Man, that looks (and sounds) like Steve Lukather (from Toto) on guitar! Does anybody know for sure?
Mike Miller
BESTIAL MARK KRANEY
We do agree on the drum sound. Sounds like a glorified LINN drum. And, yes, I am a rhythm expert, thank you. On this passage he is way too busy and devoid of funk swing.
And nothing when you are nobody, you stay nobody. Just because you could never play like him get over it!I know it is hard to accept but really GET OVER IT! Not even in your dreams...
You're totally wrong. Trying to sound like an expert or something. Enzo nailed this hole concert from the
beginning to the end. He grooves well and has endless chops. But one thing i must admit; I don't like the sound of the drums, but that's another story.
@DudemanSwede Your comments lead one to think you put Craney in a class above Weckl? Hmm.... "boring linear patterns" !!!
Not to diss Craney but Weckl & Todesco's technical ability would send Mark to the woodshed.. todesco does these one one kick drum & has more involved hand work..
@DudemanSwede we all fall into the trap of concluding somebody is "better". you right its more a matter of subjectivity.... Is Vinnie better than Buddy??? hhhhhahaha no can ever prove amigo. but they both are not of this earth....musically : )
@DudemanSwede and you right about not being paradiddles else why would Wipe Out and Ina Gadda Da Vida solos still be standards if it were that then henly would have lost his job long ago. his playing is boring and uninspiring but fits the eagles... im just sayi
Compared to real fusion drummers, he sounds like a rock & roll banger.
@rbxb - I am not a passive listener, and I have heard Craney live. But I'm not talking about the merits of Craney, but rather the bigger picture of groove. This drummer simply misses the groove. He misses the swing of the song. He sounds like a drum machine, not a grooving drummer.
Enzo same level of Mark..
@Brilliantbeing " He is not swinging at all." ---- This isnt a "swing" song per se.
---Are you a drummer?
" His breaks, break up the rhythm of the groove in a way that takes away the power of this fusion classic."
---His breaks are comping. leaving the guide notes (punches) intact * propel the song .
" A robot or drum machine could sound better than this guy." --- thats like saying Keith Richards could replace Larry Carlton in a Steely Dan tune! would you prefer MC Hammers drummer?
Enzo is a fine drummer, but not even a worthy warm-up act compared to Craney.
You can tell Enzo's been studying Weckl's boring linear patterns, but cred's to you Enzo. You've done your homework! I wish it could have been less static though.
R.I.P. Mark.
Good grooves, Enzo
You'd have to understand the finer points to rhythm to really see how much this cat is lacking. You cannot teach the more subtle and nuance points. You either have it or you don't. This cat "Don't".
brilliantbeing is a complete idiot and totally unqualified to pass judgement on Enzo..my god ..the guy likes kanya west and hip hop shit hahahahahahahahahahahahah go back to your drum machine bb....
I know right?