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- Greece and German WWII Reparations - English - Die Anstalt 31 March 2015 REACTION
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Maybe you understand now why "Die Anstalt" is so valued among german people of consciousness. The old greek man appearing on the show was one of their best moments (so far).
I liked the jewish woman who sang the old fight song a lot too
@@6666Imperator Her name was Esther Bejarano. It was my favourite moment of the show.
Esther Bejarano has died two years ago. Rest in power
I remember watching this on tv originally, and I saw that same feeling in your face.
Me, as a german, had tears running down my face when the greek man entered.. Every human who goes to other countries and destroy and kill and also the people who give the orders for that should be ashamed for life!
I'm shocked, I didn't even know that in detail how my country shied away from responsibility. It was always said that everything was clarified and settled.
Es ist alles geklärt. Niemand bekommt mehr was.
It is - Germany simply can't afford to agree to any of those "requests", because behind it is a long line of countries who would makes the same "requests" (including Italy, which has conveniently forgotten that it was allied with Nazi Germany during WWII). It would lead to a rat tails of law suits. Basically Germany can't answer directly to the resonable requests (not that the number Greece cites has anything to do with reality, but that's another issue), because that it also would have to deal with the unreasonable ones. Hence it has been the policy for ages to help countries inoffically instead of officially.
Es ist ja nicht so dass Deutschland in der EU jeden Tag gemolken wurde und wird. Bis bald nichts mehr da ist. Jetzt kommt Polen wieder angekrochen obwohl Sie schon Reparationen erhalten haben.
The USA and Soviet Union agreed with the 2+4 treaty that the chapter of history of WWII is closed once and for all time.
Irgendwann muss auch mal Schluss sein. Die Griechen haben einfach Pech gehabt. Deutschland soll an keinen (auch keine Kolonien) was zahlen. Warum soll ich 80 Jahre später für was blechen was ich nicht fabriziert habe?
At some point there has to be an end. The Greeks were just unlucky. Germany should not pay anything to anyone (including any colonies). Why should I pay 80 years later for something I didn't fabricate?
As a German, I didn't learn about the German atrocities in Greece during WW2, we learned mainly about the atrocities Germans committed in the Soviet Union. That's what I like so much about 'die Anstalt', they educate us as well as entertain us; and their content is always very well researched. I think it's a shame how we treated the Greeks, yet again 10 years ago during the economic crisis there. Kind regards from Germany (Bavaria) 😀🙏💙
That's also what I dislike so much about Die Anstalt: They ALWAYS cherrypick their facts. None of what they said was wrong, but what they left out is that there actually were reparations made by Germany towards Greece early on. The story goes like this: Germany was supposed to send Greece ships with goods. So they send the first ship, but Greece said: Nope, the ship never arrived here. So Germany said: Well, okay, we will fill up another ship and this time you fetch it yourself. Which never happened. Like: The ship was literally rusting away in the harbour, waiting for the ship with the goods being fetched, until finally the whole ship was sold to the Brits as scraps and the money went to the Greece.
In addition, every country, including Greece, got years ago money which was supposed to go the holocaust victims - that the money never was transferred to them is again on the Greek government.
So, am I saying that this was enough to make up for what was done? Nope, naturally not. Germany was mostly trying to buy themselves free early on for cheap. But if we want to take a look at the issue, we need to tell the whole story, including the parts which shine a light on the actions of the Greek government. Especially since this show was NOT about the case they presented, which was a personal story, but about the question of Greece is right with its high request (which is basically based on "you never paid us anything and here is the interest, even people who agree that there are still reparations often say that this is a fairy tale number).
There is also the larger issue if the money would actually help Greece instead of just paper over underlying problems which have no relation whatsoever to Germany.
@@swanpride You’re totally right. But I heard a lot of what you said on the news back then. So I don’t see a problem with Die Anstalt showing another part. As long as they stick to fact one way or another.
Didnd't even learn about that in school, mainly about Jews, no talk about 27 millionen dead Soviets.
Or that East Germany (DDR) in contrayr to West Germany DID pay reparations.
5:17 in German, the same word is used for guilt and debt (both Schuld)
Most important is that they can speak it out in TV.
As a Greek and someone that has dead relatives from that period of time i want to say that now it is too late, i hate blaming or asking fro reparations from this generation of Germans they are innocent and there is no point anymore.
This debt should have been paid back then.
German humour is funny until it gets serious! No fun anymore, but critics!
One thing is clear: Germans are no Lannisters.
Hahahha
It is the good old methode of delaying the payments until your creditor is dead.
EDIT: Mixed up creditor and debitor
haahahahahaahhaahahhaah dude you made the best comment i ever saw so far on youtube,and iam a tactical customer
By the way, this what happened in the late 80ies was not a “mistake”. That was designed this way! “4+2 treaty” instead of “peace treaty”.
Let that sink in…
Maybe the soviet union was in fear that when they call it peace treaty, we could want to restore everything to the state it has been before WWII? So they would have to give us Königsberg / Kaliningrad back and restore the old borders.
I think it’s funny that we are the only once who have to pay so much debt, other countries just ignore that they even have a debt and completely swipe there past under the rug and just say. Well it was so long ago the ppl who live in this country now aren’t even responsible for what happened in the past. Like France paying for Napoleon, america paying Japan for stealing there resources and making unequal treaty’s. As well as paying black ppl for discriminating them, oh wait that still happens and ppl deny that it even happened. Germany is the only country ppl try to hold responsible for paying the damage they did, at least that I know of, i can be wrong, if I am plz correct me, other countries just deny they even inflicted damage.
also if Germany were allowed to sign a peace treaty we could return to be a sovereign state and the US would lose its right of free military movement across Germany.
Which again would include the loss of their biggest airbase and staging area in Europe.
I suspect the federal government's main concern is that a payment would set a precedent. That would unleash a stream of demands for reparations from individuals, organizations and entire states from around the world. That would not only be institutionally uncontrollable in terms of the number of demands, but there would also be unlegitimate demands, such as those currently being made by the Polish government. In addition, such processes would not be supported by the victorious powers France, UK, USA and Russia because they got their hands dirty regulating the end of the war. By modern standards, the end of World War II should look fundamental. But there was hardly any other solution at the time. There was the conflict of democracy vs. communism directly in Europe and also the great panic of the victorious powers before a new, strong Germany (which explains, for example, the cession of the eastern territories to Poland). Even war criminals were not prosecuted "for good reasons" because, for example, German rocket scientists in the USA rendered good service in the fight against communism. also the purely material damage in occupied areas such as France and Poland when the Wehrmacht was on its way back: who can judge whether the house was destroyed by a German, American or Soviet bomb? American soldiers were not really celebrated as liberators by many French because many American bombs destroyed French houses and also killed civilians.
also there are some reparations that were paid but mostly to the bigger players of course where smaller countries had no direct influence on the negotiations.
@@6666Imperator who got reparations paid?
@@santaclaus0815 Greece for example got some. Not a lot, but they were actually supposed to get shipments with goods. First one got "lost" (according to the Greeks). Second one, they were supposed to fetch themselves (so that if it would get lost again, it would clearly happen in their juristriction). That never happened. The ship was eventually sold as scraps to the brits and the money transferred to the Greeks.
And reparations aside, Germany gave all countries where the holocaust happened money for its victims...but no all governments actually bothered to transfer any of the money to them.
@@swanpride only for holocaust victims? What about concentration camp inmates out of political reasons like socialists?
@@santaclaus0815 You asked what got paid, I told you. If you want to know in detail what exactly got paid to whom and what happened to the money, that you will have to look up yourself, because it is a topic for an essay, not a youtube comment.
I read history a lot especially WW2. The civilians of Greece suffered greatly. Like any war, the major powers decide the outcome. USA took German scientist for the bomb and developed NASA. At same time the Marshal Plan was to rebuild German industry. Modern wars no one gets blamed still at the top. Its the civilians sufferring more than the armies at war. And they get nothing but pain and death.
09:10 Fuck dude... where did those Tears come from???
It feels like you my best Friend and we are watching this together .
I don't know this massacre from school. I have seen a german documentation about this for a few years. But that was not unique. In different countries they had the same terror. As Reinhard Heidrich was killed in Prague a little village in Czechia was eliminated as a revenge.
Of all people, a turkish comedian plays the Greek
If this is the most triggering issue about that Vid...well, i guess you have some heavier weighting problems.
@@MrHFAlucardWhat did you triggered to make such a comment ? I m sure your problems are much more heavier !
This is how it is supposed to be. Greeks and Turks shall be brothers and sisters, no enemies!
@@billelgreco3460 Its so funny ! There is an another turkish commedian, who plays the greek the best. Look for Özcan Cosar
@@turkosmopolit633 know him, he is a cool dude!
Thats why we germans resepect the "Die Anstalt". They arent afraid to talk about the unloved truth and also give victims a voice.
Germany is not alone, many many countries always seem to want money from richer countries. Tell me, anyone, plz. Treaties existed thousands of years ago. Greece, Poland, Russia, France, UK, US, Israel, your victims only as long as we forget or omit all wars they started. Did any of them pay for any of their victims?
First of all the Vatican for all the crusades.
Let me help u on that: Countries which lost a war, they were obliged to pay some sort of reparations and tributes to the winners. Germany lost also a war, during of which it caused immense damage to various countries, but it was given a period of grace until it could stand back on its feet. And of course, it constantly tried to avoid its obligations repeatedly, using the most ridiculous and disgraceful pretexts.
Any other questions?
This was created back in 2010s as far as I remember and it was meant to remind the German public some historic facts and to remind them to show solidarity because at that time the German public was filled with anti Southern EU feelings and there was so much racism towards the South due to the Financial crisis in Europe calling the southern EU lazy, thieves, referring to them as PIGS Portugal, Italy, Greece & Spain and so on.
Also for the record... the USSR, the United States etc never united in a Union like Greece, Poland and other EU countries with Germany so the European countries advocating for reparations makes sense to me if we want the Union to be built on trust.. even a small symbolic amount of reparations to Poland & Greece as a sign of a good will would make sense. ;)
bruh touch some grass fr. 😂😂😂😂@@sirbowen4358
"Gimme all your MONEY!"
This is the bitter truth! As a Greek living in Germany it’s even more bitter. 😑
As a German, I understand your position. But when we Germans of today shall pay our grandparents dept...there will be no end of paying in sight. Result will be social unrest and the end of our modern German society.
@@Eyyoh755 with your logic the greeks right now and after 30 years should never pay the debt of the greek state.right??
@@xdx2653 I never recognized them paying anything. The european community is supporting greek as far as I know.
@@Eyyoh755 Reading your answer makes me think you haven’t watched this video at all.
Shall I explain from the beginning? 😉
@@Eyyoh755 No it's not. More over here what happened to Greece. The Nazi no only forced the National Bank of Greece to lend lend 476 million Reichsmarks, they also confiscated all the resources of the country. As a result the population starved to death during the winter 1941-42. 10% of the population died. People were falling dead in the streets of Athens while walking. Each morning a carriage went through the streets and called people to bring the dead. The reason why the causalities where not higher is because the Turkish Red Cresent send some supplies from summer 1942. Yes. The Turks treated us with more compassion that the Germans. The SS and the Werhmart commited hundred massacres against the civilian population, in places such as Kondomari, Alikianos, Kandanos, Doxato, Domenikon, Pheneos, Viannos, Kommeno, Paramythia, Lyngiades, Kallikrates, Kalavryta, Drakeia, Pyrgoi, Mousiotitsa, Kokkinia, Skourvoula, Kedros, Malathyros, Chortiatis and Distomo.
After the war the US helped the German economy to heal with the Marshal plan. In 1954 a large part of the debts of Germany were forgiven and Germany flourished.
Meanwhile, Greece was experiencing a "civil" war because the British wanted to bring the monarchy back when in fact the country was liberated by the Resistance and a Republic was proclaimed. Churchill send tanks in Athens. After the civil war enden the Republicans won the general elections on 1965 but the king refused to ask Andreas Papadreou (socialist) to form a go form a government. The couthry remained without stable government until 1967 when the US initiated a miltary coup that put the colonels in power. The junta remained in power until 1974. That's when Greece realy emerged out of WWII.
By that time Germany was already enjoying one of the most powerfull economy in the world. So when you say "Result will be social unrest and the end of our modern German society" well the result of the invasion of Greece WAS the end of our society and it lasted from 1940 to 1974. Thank you. So now it's time to pay your debt.
And by the way, like many Greek I never knew my grand fathers. Lots of Greeks were orphans after WWII.
Lets bet Germany will support requests for compensation from UKR against RU after the current war. Because.
It's great innit that debt and guilt are actually the same word "Schuld" in German, right?
not really. debt are Schulden and guilty is Schuld. The en makes the difference
@@DasTeufelswerk they still have the same root tho, and in some cases the debt Schuld can also be used in this context in singular. Granted, that's not as common
Yes and No. Having a debt (eine Schuld haben) and being guilty (Schuld sein) sound the same and have the same origin. However, the meaning and usage is directed in a different direction, so that you cannot take both terms as synonymous with each other. In the first case (Schuld haben), the debt is more material. Usually you owe someone money or a certain favour. In the other case (Schuld sein), one has rather committed a crime or some other offence, whether moral or actually against the law is not always distinguished here, so it is rather immaterial. But of course this can also turn into a material debt.
I'll skip the grammatical oddities where "to be" (sein) can also become "to have" (haben). That would only confuse ;)
So yes, both terms use the same word " Schuld". But it depends on the verb, how it is used and what is said with it. In German, there are many words that are ambiguous. Some more obvious than the word "Schuld". For example: Schimmel (mildew vs. white horse), Tau (dew vs. a thick rope) and Ton (sound vs. clay).
@@JayMyrrdin I know that shit believe it or not I'm actually a native speaker. I was only in the moment commenting on my amazement that we use the same (you know what I mean) word for both concepts.
The etymological and social implications of that are really fascinating.
I assure you that I can very well use the word Schuld in every appropriate context.
Is nich meine Schuld dass Sprache anscheinend Leute in Kommentarsektionen zu Germanistik Professoren werden lässt
This clip is only part of the 1hr - as the rules they read at the end - where the rules Germany did impose on Greece during the Euro crissis.
neverending questions - did greece pay all its reparations for the wars it comitted?
second - i am middleaged now - was not born back then, my parents were not born back then, and my grandparents were teens forced by society to follow as most russians are now...
i really agree with the: its too late now....
i mean why should the children of the children of a far-east russians that never cared for politics be held responsible for a crime a russion soldier did in Butcha?
if you find someone who is personally responsible it, ok go for it... but inheriting sins of your ancestors... i don't believe in that....
Difficult topic, indeed.
First of all, Greece never committed genocide or imperialistic wars since Alexander the Great's time(and even that happened as a response to an already aggressive Persian empire that had invaded before). As a Greek I will explain to you: it's NOT about the reperations or paying for sins of ancestors or anything like that. It's the fact that for so many years since 2010 until 2015(and even until today), Europeans and most especially the German government and the media, in order to blameshift for the inherent problems of the credit banking system, decided to spacegoat Greece, presenting the whole population as ''lazy'', P.I.G.S, corrupted and so many other racist remarks that had been done even 1% of them for any other racial or ethnic group(like the jews or the blacks) they would have been sentenced at best while at the same time made people of Germany cheer on the economic crucifixion of Greece in the name of ''austerity'', which destroyed our lives and sent more young people as immigrants to other countries, more than any war in our nation's history, all while claiming a hypocritical ''moral superiority'' about how ''uncorrupted Germans are'' while history shows that this is far from being the case. Also reparations from defeated agressors always existed since antiquity. Germany was defeated in 1945 and had it not been an agreement for reparations for other countries they invaded, Germany would not exist today. Greece was one of the countries that agreed that Germany should continue to subsist only so far as they would pay reparations, and Greece also agreed that reparations should be postponed until Germans have the time to pay. But guess what?? Germany exploitted that for decades to the point that they cancelled any reparations, while at the same time demanded Greece to have economic memorandums ''supposedly'' for the national debt while it was all about recapitalisation of the banking system, so that they would rescue a domino effect in Europe. So while Greece never received any reparation for the extreme damage and crimes that were committed in the country(a country that never threatened germany in any way), Germany demanded Greeks to pay debts for the banking system and destroy economically our lives for it while being blamed as being the cause of all European crisis. Does it sound rational or fair to you?? Or don't you see the difference?? I don't even count the amount of gold as well as the ancient monuments that the Nazis stole and many inhabit in Germany museums without ever returning, meaning how much Germany STILL BENEFITS from the crimes of the Nazi regime!!
As a German you can only be ashamed. I was born in 1981, well after the Second World War, so I didn't experience any of that anymore, and yet, as a German, I am ashamed of the unspeakable suffering that my home country brought to the world in the Second World War
East Germany "paid" a part of their war reparations to the soviet union at least... the soviets took goods and sent them to russia... But the reparation question european countries wasnt solved... except the reparations we had to pay to US.
Goods is a very general term.
The also deconstructed factories, railways and so on.
There were factorues in East Germany that were more efficent and less polluting beforte the war than in 1989 when the wall came down.
The worth of the patents the US looted were alone worth way more than any reparations ever paid.
As a Greek I aknowledge that the Soviet Union did commit atrocities to the defeated Germans and I most certainly condemn them(even though they came as acts of vengeance for what the Wermacht commited to them in the first place). But how exactly has this anything to do with Greece?? Our people never hurted Germany in any way and even the reparations that the Germans AGREED after the end of ww2 were never asked by us despite the fact that Germany had already violated the agreement. But for some reason, the Germans had to blame us for the whole banking system crisis and we had to pay for the German banking system's collapse and have our lives destroyed while tolerating all racism and all sadistic remarks from Germans who through their ignorance parroted their media's narrative in a blind way!!!
@@jimakisspd Lets just call it "a" banking system collapse/crisis. Because many banks are pretty nasty/risk-loving, wherever they stand.
In germany, this crisis is called "financial crisis", and the culprit isnt greece, but mainly the US wallstreet and the US banking system, that sent the german system in crisis mode too.
Concerning ur "racist/sadistic remarks from germans":
We have some conservative "media" (Bild and the Springer Group) thats better called "vulture-like toilet paper/trash websites".
Every even remotely intellectual german is ashamed that they still have big business among the common people with their horrendous practices and fat headlines. They even expand to countries like US. They mainly pushed that narrative of "lazy greece". That wasnt something that most intellectual german believed in... or at least i hope so...
What u see here, ("Die Anstalt") is a highly intellectual, left show, satirizing that greek-bashing and plump framing and showing why its wrong.
While on the other hand showcasing that germany "evil-cleverly" managed to avoid all WW2 reparations from european states like greece, paying only the direct winners US, UK and partially france.
And i bet greece, likewise several other states, asked for WW2 reparations sometimes, but germany said that it was already finally settled and legal to pay nothing more.
Concerning the framing:
Without fire no smoke, as they say... there was some truth, greece had, compared to germany, way too many well-paid officials (Δημόσιοι υπάλληλοι), the pensions (Σύνταξη) were at earlier age than in germany, and that despite having way more debt than GDP. With those facts, framing was easy for the german shit media.
I dont understand global state/banking financials, tbh, so i cant tell u who is truly responsible, greek mismanagement, some bank failure, some big wallstreet investors evil selling of greek government bonds (Κρατικά ομόλογα)... or all together?
Who knows? Whats ur opinion there? Do u really think it was all the german banking systems fault?
Is it possible that the Hague had to rule the demoralisation of the people by specifically killing civilians as a legitimate war measure, as otherwise the air raids on German cities as well as the nuclear bombs on Japan would have to be counted as war crimes?
Well, I see a lot of German music from different centuries and styles. What's now the problem?
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so true, spread more of "satire" kind of that
Can you maybe react to "Volker Pispers - about the History of USA and Terrorism"?
I was probably the first to ever do the reaction before it went viral - th-cam.com/video/Llr3E4OL8UA/w-d-xo.html
Just call anyone 'collabreteur' ! ...woosh, all is off the table... suddenly.
Believe me, youll start to hate the word "Nein" when your german three year old learns its power. By the way there is a german song called "Sage Nein!" You have to listen and react to it. Itis aboutthat you haveto say no to joi ing Nazis
Reparations are hard, who has to pay them and when? Never heard the Americans paying any reparations to anyone and they really have messed up a lot in the short history they have, there would be the reparations to the Black ppl, the natives, the middle east, asia .....
before that...the british should pay a lot of money to india and all the rest of their colonies...just saying
Warum? Was hat deren Schuld mir unserer zu tuen? Willst du damit sagen dass wir erst dann anfangen uns gut zu benehmen und zu verhalten wenn es uns die Engländer vormachen oder dass wir uns solange falsch verhalten wie die Engländer es sich heraus nehmen sich falsch zu verhalten??? .... ich mein, viele sind schei@e da hast du durchaus Recht aber müssen wir deswegen auch schei@e sein?
Nope, you are not just saying - you are just what-abouting. Responsibilty doesn´t vanish by pointing at someone else. The question is not whether anyone else took responsibility, but whether it is the right thing to do so. And if there is no historic example, then let´s BE the example.
@@hillbillly6963 That's the difference between englisch and german people. A lot of germans feel responsible, the UK and the USA never do.
@@arnolsi You are trying to ride the WhatAbout train, too :-) This here is about german reparations to Greece.
@@hillbillly6963 No, neither the USA or the UK paid reparations or come to terms with the past.
Unglaublich,wer hat das lanciert,der polnische Geheimdienst?