Obviously Bongzilla is the quintessential stoner metal band, nuff said. I think this list was more about bands that influenced the genre and not necessarily the bands that perfected it, idk? Btw, I fucking love Bongzilla and they are at the top on my list!
There's too many bands for them to cover. The bands they need to mention are the bands like pentagram, Saint Vitus, electric wizard, and sabbath of course, but then you have bands like the Melvin's, eyehategod, acid bath, Sleep etc. There's so many bands to cover and then like I said some of them cross each other but aren't considered in the genre. Like the sludge bands. Although the sludge bands, and the doom bands play the same fests. I see lots of sludge bands play doom fests. Then fumanchu, and nebula. Those are California bands, I consider Stoner rock. I'm not really good at categorizing them even though I know there are differences.
Acid Bath is pretty clear cut sludge. How can you say that "Dr. Seuss is Dead", "Cassie Eats Cockroaches", "New Corpse", "Dope Fiend", or "Locust Spawning" fall under stoner metal? Because they had a few chill songs? I guess "Breakout" and "Changes" makes Black Sabbath a jazz band.
To be fair, while clearly a sludge metal band, Acid Bath did have some other elements to their sound. There's pretty obvious death metal and blues influences in there that make them different from a straight-up sludge metal in the sense of doom metal crossed with hardcore punk.
@@MaxWhiteArabiLouisiana I agree to some extent. I'm in a stoner metal band, and I often just think of (and describe it) as just "heavy metal". Because that's exactly what it is. It's just a variation on a theme, as are all the other '_ metal' subgenres.
I'm from Louisiana and acidbath really is it's own thing. The vocals were more graveyard rodeoish. The drums have a lot of double bass, and though they have slower songs like Dr. Seus is dead , they have way faster songs like Jezabell. Also have clean songs. I truly think out of the NO Acid Bath and Soilent get lumped into Sludge conversations because let's face it, back then we all used Randall amps. From New Orleans to Lafayette and Lake Charles. Unlike us in Lafayette, they all played in mostly C standard tuning. Down here in Lafayette we all played more Death Metal and Thrash. We also played in C sharp and D standard. We had great spots back then that supported Metal acts with a thriving scene. 100 are so people at the shows. Lafayette had the sports bar.
Never been a better time for post metal. That must happen. Isis, Neurosis, Cult of luna, Pelican there are sooooo many highly respected bands in the genre. This is the time. I will continue to demand it every week!
@@jukujuku6153 Floor are definitely one of the most underrated Sludge bands. Dove and their self titled especially are classics but they're always overshadowed by Torche sadly but they're great aswell
You know, when I saw this was the Stoner/Sludge episode I got really excited. Then I saw who the guest was all the excitement was gone. I feel like she really doesn't know what she's talking about, and that what she says is mostly opinion and she isn't really thinking about the bands' importance to the genre. I felt the same way in the Folk Metal episode. Does anyone else feel like this or is it just me?
Nebula, Monster Magnet, Karma to Burn, Brant Bjork, My Sleeping Karma, The Vintage Caravan, El Coco, Dozer, Grand Magus, Sasquatch, Truckfighters, Mondo Generator......
Masters of Reality, Unida, Monster Magnet and The Obsessed are HUGE oversights for Stoner. Also surprised that nobody corrected Natalie on the fact that Josh Homme started QOTSA in 1997, well after Kyuss broke up. They're not forefathers, so much as the mainstream alt-rock evolution of Stoner. Fu Manchu, I think, are/were pretty marginal in comparison.
+Cassidy Robinson Agree with most of what you said. MOR are definitely important to the genre but maybe too straight forward rock or blues rock. About QOTSA being the mainstreaming/alt-rocking of it, I think you are on to something. I recall Josh around the time of the 2nd record being very uncomfortable with the stoner rock label and intentionally getting away from it (feel good hit of the summer being the tongue in cheek flip off to that effect). I don't know if I would call Fu Manchu marginal though. In Search of was a huge record for those into fuzz rock back in the day and the Action Is Go and King of the Road records were one of the reasons stoner rock entered the mainstream vocabulary around that time.
+elvistheripper Stoner Rock and Stoner Metal are pretty fluid genres in my opinion. I think The Sword, Monster Magnet, Kyuss straddled both. Masters of Reality, along with The Obsessed, are the first two Stoner bands in my estimation. They brought back the 70s Sabbath style with a sense of psychedelia and groovy, bluesy guitar riffs. QOTSA, Fu Manchu, Monster Magnet and (I guess) Clutch all had big radio hits in the late 90s and were far poppier than the genre started and thus the style was kind of fractured. One could argue that bands like Dead Meadow, The Warlocks, Black Mountain and Goblin Cock are kind of the alt-Stoner or Stoner-Gaze that followed the success of the QOTSA. Certainly Eagles of Death Metal owe everything to Homme.
+Cassidy Robinson Yeah, I also think the Stoner Rock/SM debate is dumb. It's all rock in the end of the day anyway. And no one really self-identifies as a "stoner" band. I'm with you 100% on the Obsessed. They were right around the time of Monster Magnet's first (on record anyway) and the first bands I heard "stoner" being applied to (even if MM was kind of doing it tongue in cheek). Master of Reality though, far more Cream influenced than Sabs. I don't hear Sabbath guitar tone at all on those records. Maybe Chris Goss' role mentoring a young Josh Homme and that Desert scene has them in there as major influences but have you really listened to the records? Not much Sabbath there at all. Not even a hell of a lot of heavy/fuzz guitar. I love the band, don't get me wrong but I just don't see it. To me, more than Homme, the guys who really are the heart of Stoner rock, if such a thing really exists, are Brant Bjork, Mario Lalli and Wino. Criminal that neither Wino nor Brant were mentioned by name in this debate.
First marriage proposal? I proposed to Priya back in the Glam Metal chat. It wasn't acknowledged "per se", but as soon as I hit Enter, she gave a little nod as if to say, "come and get me big boy". It was at that moment that I realized we would grow old together.
+The Abyssal Archivist Similar last name, but Jason Decay from the band Cauldron was on the Power Metal episode and Daniel Dekay from Diemonds was on Thrash.
I learned a lot from this episode. Out of all the sub-genres discussed so far, Stoner was the one I knew least about. I've always assumed that since I don't smoke that I wouldn't really "get it", so I never paid too much attention. Glad to learn that's not the case. Also, as a guitarist, the thought of "smokey" guitar tones is very interesting. Now I have a bunch of cool bands to check out.
So I’ve come back a year later to watch this again, thinking maybe this wasn’t as bad as I remember... wrong! It’s even worse! Banger, you have to redo this segment! And you have to get a different guest that actually knows and understands this sub-genre. No hipsters please!
This lady is off her rocker. No Clutch? No COC? I'd like her to tell Pepper and Woody that they didn't make and still don't make Stoner/doom riffs. COC is 90s stoner rock 101.
Clutch is a (of course well made) hodgepodge of rock subgenres and styles: blues-rock, funk, grunge, stoner etc. Monster Magnet is more stoner rock than stoner metal: I agree about Kyuss being the first stoner metal band. Indeed, if you do a search in the huge database The Metal Archives (which can't be accused of being biased or hipsterish) you will find that bands like Clutch and Monster Magnet are not included.
Sorry I missed the stream. Needed for stoner: Monster Magnet, The Sword, Earth and Clutch. I also consider White Zombie's La Sexorcisto a stoner metal album.
Obviously some of her statements don't exactly work out well, but her points about the common ancestors and the textures of this sound are probably some of the best explained definitions I've ever heard.
7 years late watching this, but as a non-stoner lover of all things stoner metal I am over the moon in agreement with Natalie's addition of the Melvins to this list (and most everything else she has said so far, 15 mins in).
Fu Manchu is one of the most under-estimated bands of its time. Huge influence on me and my buddies back around 1999 and 2000 and continue to be a big influence to this day (for those who have ears that can hear).
Easily the most annoying co-presenter of lock horns! I've generally agreed with most of the other genres, and in the other episodes the guys have pretty much deferred to public opinion. She on the other hand thought Waaay too much about her opinion and dismissed bands without discussion! Her definitions of stoner and sludge were bullshit too!
One thing that makes a definition difficult is that there's a lot of overlap between styles. Sleep, Electric Wizard, and St. Vitus are just as much Doom as Stoner. Plus there are stoner bands that aren't ultra-heavy, like Monster Magnet and Fu Manchu. I wouldn't put The Melvins in the Stoner category - they were influential to a lot of bands, but way too eclectic to put in any category. Maybe they can be considered Sludge, but they have a lot of other stylistic elements, too. The same goes for Clutch - too big and varied to classify.
The Melvins definitely have albums that can be considered sludge. Namely Gluey Porch Treatments, Lysol, Eggnog. You're right, though, they've done and influenced so many different styles, that it's almost impossible to categorize them.
Also a note to point out you need to add said band BUZZOVEN. aside from many member changes was one of the many pioneers of the genre not counting pre bands who paved the way such as Melvins who in turn with many others were influenced by sabbath/black flag... ect, ect.
When you guys do death/doom, don't leave it at death/doom. Make it Death/Funeral doom. That way the bands that are Gothic metal, like My Dying Bride and Paradise Lost can stay in Gothic Metal, where their influence is most note-worthy. With the Death/Funeral doom chart, you can add Death/Doom bands like Novembers Doom, and Daylight Dies, while also adding Funeral Doom bands like Thergothon, Skepticism, Evoken, etc, etc, etc.
From my Understanding of the Tree-Branches of Metal, there is no such thing as "Stoner Metal". There is Stoner Rock, which came to life through Kyuss. And then there is Doom (Metal) and Sludge (Metal). Doom coming from early Black Sabbath, Sludge Coming from a more punk and diy harsh background.
One big thing here. Queens of the Stone Age are Josh Hommes band. Which he founded after he broke with Kyuss, and they are very much a desert rock band. Clutch is a band miles from metal. It's a rock n roll band, with boogie, blues, swing, groove and swagger
Stoner-riff oriented, like Kyuss, Obsessed, E Wizard, Fu Manchu, later COC, M Magnet. Doom-darkness oriented like Candlemass. Progressive Doom-texture n feel oriented like Khanate. Sludge-working through something, like Melvins n Eyehategod.
melvins are beyond sludge/grunge/doom....theyre punk/prog to me. they also happen to be metal, but it seems somewhat accidentallymetal to me. people seem to harp on their slow material but try learning one of their MID PACED songs. so glad you added NOLA in this episode eventually. im so glad about the metal anthopology yall present to us.
Neurosis, Melvins, HELMET, Kylesa, Samsara Blues Experiment, Sleep, early Monster Magnet, Pelican, Mars Red Sky, Russian Circles, even a lot of TOOL, Shrinebuilder, Saint Vitus, Isis, Black Pyramid, Electric Wizard, CULT OF LUNA, Dozer, Shellac, Earthless, Down, and more. But I still love Helmet, Fugde Tunnel, Deftones, Melvins, and a bit of Queens of the Stoneage, FuManchu, TOTIMOSHI, and Kyuss so whatevs. Crowbar is awesome, but not quite the same emotion. How about its just pure badass (not eyehategod, weedeater, type-stoner awesome live, but take the ride), extra chunky sludge-like perfection at its best - its that gradual build up of power defined by initial power that while metal and heavy is often gradually melodic crescendo with an easy invite to ride the wave, there is no denying of the ride when its truly good.
after trouble split up- Eric Wagner started a band called Lid Lid belongs on the stoner chart... How ever ,they did release a lp called in the mushroom ..Don't forget the Chicago connection,Sam& Natalie
If High on Fire gets a spot then so must Om as they are the other more meditative half of Sleep. Man Is The Bastard needs an honorable mention at the least.
Queens of the Stone Age did not predate Kyuss. And it spelled "Saint Vitus" not "St. Vitus". Check the album covers,Natalie. They never spelled it that way.
+Brent Kossina They were added. Every episode there's always someone, "Blab bla BLAB blab anyone"?? If you guys would watch the whole episode, you'd see. Take an hour, crack a beer (or 6), and enjoy!
Dig your show! Your Stoner Rock vs. Stoner Metal was cool but a wee bit flawed. Kyuss is the absolute hands down king of "Stoner Rock" because it is deep, dirty, bluesy rock n' roll and not exactly quite metal. Where a band like "Sleep" is absolute Stoner Metal. You can clearly hear the distinction in terms of crushing tone and super slowed down tempo vs. 4/4 rock beat Kyuss quite often uses. Also, Where the fuck is the Melvins in all of this!?? They are the god fathers of "Stoner Metal!" Gluey Porch Treatments is 30 years old and pre dates any Kyuss man! Its ALL ABOUT THE MELVINS PERIOD! Thanks, Darren
Kiss HATED the " stoner tag". There was a great. Festival in Youngstown Ohio named Emmisions that had an amazing lineup. It crushed together Beaten Back To Pure, Orange Goblin, Disengage, Baroness, Scissorfiight, Rwake, Clutch et al. The " Stoner" thing wasn't as flashy, dramatic or " extreme" ( extreme isn't a musical value- Joe Carducci). If you consider the pop rock " hair /glam" bands as metal - not to say there isn't good music here, Martin P can take it from here- Saigon Kick fan to Saigon Kick fan, and for the 2000s up I'd go with the Hanoi Rocks/Smack line to Crash Diet. Best shave off The Melvins barrel- Boris. Alice In Chains has a helluva lot more in common with the Stoner tag than anywhere else. The "Grunge" Bands and " Stoner" bands. All were children of the great early- mid 80s SST tours.
She doesn't like Clutch, so that disqualifies them as a stoner band? By Zed's logic, I have become bored of death metal, therefore it is no longer a subgenre of metal.
Did she just say Queens of the Stone Age influenced Kyuss? Like... wat. Kyuss was dead and buried before QotSA even existed. QotSA literally rose from the ashes of Kyuss.
Yep.... She doesnt know kyuss was before QOTSA. she basically says....There was these bands like QOTSA who where more stoner rock and then Kyuss came and coalesced the sound to the more metal than rock. Thats the I read about it and dont know shit versus I lived it when it happened version of reality.
yeah, I agree. ONE mistake would be ok for someone claiming to be an EXPERT. However the continuous and repeated mistakes clearly show that this is far worse. How embarrassing and publicly humiliating to have an hour plus of utterly misinformed and incorrect errors. Ironically it appears like you are trolling the "Expert". Just WOW!!
qotsa is one of the few bands I still like. The music is angry enough, I don't really need the angry lyrics and vocals. I used to like it but now it sounds like a hat on a hat, I prefer the contrast. Truckfighters do it pretty well, their V album has a couple bangers
Qotsa came out of kyuss so rubbish dude shut up. I was listening to kyuss as the albums were being dropped and I went to the first qotsa tour after circus leaves town came out
Stoner Metal, Stoner Rock, and Sludge Metal has been my favorite genre of metal since high school. I'll see if I can contribute: Stoner Metal: Sleep, Electric Wizard, High on Fire, Acid King, Weedeater, Bongzilla, & Orange Goblin Stoner Rock: Kyuss, Fu Manchu, Truckfighters, The Sword, Monster Magnet, Clutch, Red Fang, & Corrosion of Conformity Sludge Metal: Melvins, Acid Bath, Crowbar, Soilent Green, Eyehategod, Mastodon, Kylesa, Zoroaster, Baroness, & Black Tusk
Ian-o -o The Sword has def gone more rock now if you've heard their most recent work. COC is often associated as being one of the first stoner rock groups, so I put them there too. They have several more metal distorted songs, but their song structure if most definitely more rock oriented.
CeaselessDischarge I assume you've only heard their first album. Their second album is way slower, druggier and doomier, and 100% belongs in the stoner doom conversation. Not saying the first album wasn't influential, but the second one was honestly more ahead of its time and shouldn't be ignored.
@@ConvincingPeople No, thats wrong. Paegan Terrorism Tactics has plenty of ripping death metal riffs, hardcore punk, shrieked vocals, noise, industrial, etc. They aren't a stoner band. They're sludge.
Matter Daddy Electric Wizard and High On Fire have all of the above elements as well. I'm also not arguing that they weren't by and large a sludge band per se, but rather that her point about their influence being stronger on early stoner doom than on sludge as a whole makes sense given the time period and how unusual their sound on Paegan Terrorism Tactics was.
@@ConvincingPeople They really don't, man. Electric Wizard or High on Fire doesn't use industrial/power electronics, they don't play black metal riffs, they don't shriek like they're about to vomit intestines. And no fucking stoner bands that came after do that either. But there are plenty of sludge metal bands that have blastbeats, noise, and a horrific depressing atmosphere. There's also the fact that Holy Mountain came out before either Acid Bath record, so the record that literally every single goddamn stoner band sounds like was already being copied before Acid Bath made the two best sludge metal records that aren't Take as Needed for Pain. pissBOY
Is it just me, or, did she claim that QOTSA pre dated Kyuss? QOTSA rose out of the ashes of Kyuss. Sleep, Clutch, Monster Magnet were the first bands to actually be labeled Stoner Rock.
Arguing that Clutch didn't belong because they are more rock these days is fine, but that initial out of hand dismissal as if we should all just agree that Clutch is "laaaaame" was some Pitchfork level snobbery. I have to admit that I am "emotionally done with" critics like this.
I think Deadboy & the Elephantmen was stoner, and I see where she's going with sliding them between stoner and sludge. That being said, I'm with you. Acid Bath is sludge.
@@xokamikyox Totally agree. But Acid Bath was also an Avant-garde Metal band that pioneered Sludge every bit as much as the Melvin's did without even knowing it! Like most great bands that serve as prototypes for great genres! If Sludge ever had a "Big four" it would be The Melvins, Soilent Green/Eyehategod tie, Jucifer (another overwhelmingly underrated Sludge band falsely thrown into other genres) and at the very top of the apex...ACID fucking BATH! (Down gets a huge honorable mention but they were later. C.O.C. for being a crossover thrash band that played Sludge the same way that Zep were not a true Metal band but created Metal songs from time to time.)
Mel Robbins Go back and listen to their second album. Most people in this comment section seem not to have heard it. (I also honestly think it's better than their début but that's probably a scalding hot take.)
The misinformation about Saint Vitus is blood boiling. Not doom? "It's spelled St. Vitus" Every album cover has the word Saint on it. It's in the logo! god damn it.
Miss Zed was informed with her Folk Metal but she was not good at all on this one. There were some GLARING omissions. She really seemed to hold this board with an iron grip. Remember, this is not about what YOU think, it's about what the commenters think...oh wait. Seriously, Mastodon is prog sludge. Monster Magnet is one of the biggest and most defining stoner bands. Clutch is a stoner band. Weedeater is stoner. I really don't ever think that Zed needs to come back. Especially after trying to argue that St. Vitus is a stoner band. Have you listened to them?? This was a poor, poor episode.
***** maybe I misunderstood her, but I have never listened to stoner to contemplate the universe. I mean, yeah, bands Monster Magnet (WHICH THEY IGNORED) discuss such topics, but at the end of the day, stoner is about pot, man. At least in my eyes it is. Bad prog is for contemplating the universe (looking at you BTBAM) SQUIDLORD is about getting "High As Fuck On A Mountain." This episode was just pathetic. Even worse than Symphonic Black metal.
+Thad White I didn't enjoy this episode at all, cause my two favorite genres are stoner and sludge, I grew up in San Jose where Sleep(the godfathers of stoner) are from where that's what a lot of people listen to.
@Aphotic Jake: Saint Vitus was a 80s Doom metal band...not Stoner metal I feel that including Saint Vitus with Trouble on the Doom metal chart would be the perfect fit
This episode should really be redone with the guy from Blood Ceremony who was the guest for the top Doom albums episode, that guy actually knew what he was talking about and clearly loved the slower styles of Metal.
+Fonz Chavez Yes. Yes she did. When she first said that, I thought maybe I heard her incorrectly or that she got confused. But then she said some dumb shit like that again while discussing St. Vitus. I don't think she's aware that they're a relatively new band that formed from Kyuss.
Who is this woman? Obviously knows jackshit about this genre, her whole rant about QOTSA being progenitors or something that came before stoner and indeed KYUSS!! Do neither of them know that QOSTA was born straight out of the original break up of KYUSS? It was nothing short of embarrassing and she's meant to be some sort of pro journalist. Her rant on CLUTCH too made for an all out joke, i couldn't care less whether you personally like them of not lady, this isn't a debate about your own personal taste. What else was frustrating about this episode was the undermining of bands like RED FANG, THE SWORD and KYLESA as if they just because they are more recent bands somehow don't belong, ridiculous assumption really, all three and more have their place here, also NO MONSTER MAGNET?!!! Seriously get someone else who actually knows a thing to co host next time, worst episode i've watched so far
I demand you do this whole show again with someone who actually knows what they are on about! This chick knows nothing about Sludge or Stoner! Get out!....haha sorry but it's hard to watch this when she gets so much wrong and makes Sam politely agree with absolute nonsense!
Banger Staff: I think a very welcome guest to a Lock Horns segment would be Myke C-Town from Dead End Hip Hop...brilliant, passionate, refreshing TH-camr who would be a good fit for maybe another black metal discussion?
So where would Monster Magnet be? Mastermind, Dopes, Superjudge, etc.-- I can only describe these Albums as Stoner. Am I wrong here? MM are a total Stoner Band.
I'm very late to the party here but as someone who obsesses over these two genres to an unhealthy extent. I was really crushed not to see Bongzilla or Earth.
Neither Bongzilla or Bongripper was mentioned for stoner metal? And Weedeater was only mentioned briefly. Sad day for stoner metal.
my thoughts EXACTLY. these were THE three bands I wanted to hear talked about.
The whole time I was watching this I was screaming put on Bongzilla!!! The injustice!!!
Bongripper is amazing stoner metal
Obviously Bongzilla is the quintessential stoner metal band, nuff said. I think this list was more about bands that influenced the genre and not necessarily the bands that perfected it, idk? Btw, I fucking love Bongzilla and they are at the top on my list!
There's too many bands for them to cover. The bands they need to mention are the bands like pentagram, Saint Vitus, electric wizard, and sabbath of course, but then you have bands like the Melvin's, eyehategod, acid bath, Sleep etc. There's so many bands to cover and then like I said some of them cross each other but aren't considered in the genre. Like the sludge bands. Although the sludge bands, and the doom bands play the same fests. I see lots of sludge bands play doom fests. Then fumanchu, and nebula. Those are California bands, I consider Stoner rock. I'm not really good at categorizing them even though I know there are differences.
Acid Bath is pretty clear cut sludge. How can you say that "Dr. Seuss is Dead", "Cassie Eats Cockroaches", "New Corpse", "Dope Fiend", or "Locust Spawning" fall under stoner metal? Because they had a few chill songs? I guess "Breakout" and "Changes" makes Black Sabbath a jazz band.
Extremely well stated!
It’s very clear that either host have any fucking idea about Acid Bath.
To be fair, while clearly a sludge metal band, Acid Bath did have some other elements to their sound. There's pretty obvious death metal and blues influences in there that make them different from a straight-up sludge metal in the sense of doom metal crossed with hardcore punk.
@@MaxWhiteArabiLouisiana I agree to some extent.
I'm in a stoner metal band, and I often just think of (and describe it) as just "heavy metal". Because that's exactly what it is.
It's just a variation on a theme, as are all the other '_ metal' subgenres.
I'm from Louisiana and acidbath really is it's own thing. The vocals were more graveyard rodeoish. The drums have a lot of double bass, and though they have slower songs like Dr. Seus is dead , they have way faster songs like Jezabell. Also have clean songs. I truly think out of the NO Acid Bath and Soilent get lumped into Sludge conversations because let's face it, back then we all used Randall amps. From New Orleans to Lafayette and Lake Charles. Unlike us in Lafayette, they all played in mostly C standard tuning. Down here in Lafayette we all played more Death Metal and Thrash. We also played in C sharp and D standard. We had great spots back then that supported Metal acts with a thriving scene. 100 are so people at the shows. Lafayette had the sports bar.
Never been a better time for post metal. That must happen.
Isis, Neurosis, Cult of luna, Pelican there are sooooo many highly respected bands in the genre. This is the time.
I will continue to demand it every week!
+Anthony Kerr I agree, so many great bands in the post metal genre.
Yep! It is time chaps!
Fucking The Ocean, man! Precambrian is one hell of a masterpiece.
Pelican is insanely good.
Anthony Kerr
I wouldn't classify pelican as stoner metal.
I just can't take her with the way she just waves bands off because she personally doesn't like them
Googling "Stoner Metal bands" and "Sludge Metal Bands" is way more informative than this "debate".
Josh,would you think of Lid as a Stoner Metal Band?
We need to redo this episode
CROWBAR!!!!! EYEHATEGOD!!!!!! basically any band from NEW ORLEANS.
Floor’s discography was pretty broad, but they aren’t too well known. Cavity too.
@@jukujuku6153 Floor are definitely one of the most underrated Sludge bands. Dove and their self titled especially are classics but they're always overshadowed by Torche sadly but they're great aswell
Great shout-out to Crowbar! My favorite sludge band of all time!
You know, when I saw this was the Stoner/Sludge episode I got really excited. Then I saw who the guest was all the excitement was gone. I feel like she really doesn't know what she's talking about, and that what she says is mostly opinion and she isn't really thinking about the bands' importance to the genre. I felt the same way in the Folk Metal episode. Does anyone else feel like this or is it just me?
Nebula, Monster Magnet, Karma to Burn, Brant Bjork, My Sleeping Karma, The Vintage Caravan, El Coco, Dozer, Grand Magus, Sasquatch, Truckfighters, Mondo Generator......
oh man, thanks for mentioning these great bands
Black Pyramid. Weedeater. Bongzilla. Dopethrone. Seedy Jeezus. The Sword
Masters of Reality, Unida, Monster Magnet and The Obsessed are HUGE oversights for Stoner. Also surprised that nobody corrected Natalie on the fact that Josh Homme started QOTSA in 1997, well after Kyuss broke up. They're not forefathers, so much as the mainstream alt-rock evolution of Stoner. Fu Manchu, I think, are/were pretty marginal in comparison.
+Cassidy Robinson Agree with most of what you said. MOR are definitely important to the genre but maybe too straight forward rock or blues rock. About QOTSA being the mainstreaming/alt-rocking of it, I think you are on to something. I recall Josh around the time of the 2nd record being very uncomfortable with the stoner rock label and intentionally getting away from it (feel good hit of the summer being the tongue in cheek flip off to that effect). I don't know if I would call Fu Manchu marginal though. In Search of was a huge record for those into fuzz rock back in the day and the Action Is Go and King of the Road records were one of the reasons stoner rock entered the mainstream vocabulary around that time.
+elvistheripper Stoner Rock and Stoner Metal are pretty fluid genres in my opinion. I think The Sword, Monster Magnet, Kyuss straddled both. Masters of Reality, along with The Obsessed, are the first two Stoner bands in my estimation. They brought back the 70s Sabbath style with a sense of psychedelia and groovy, bluesy guitar riffs. QOTSA, Fu Manchu, Monster Magnet and (I guess) Clutch all had big radio hits in the late 90s and were far poppier than the genre started and thus the style was kind of fractured. One could argue that bands like Dead Meadow, The Warlocks, Black Mountain and Goblin Cock are kind of the alt-Stoner or Stoner-Gaze that followed the success of the QOTSA. Certainly Eagles of Death Metal owe everything to Homme.
+Cassidy Robinson Yeah, I also think the Stoner Rock/SM debate is dumb. It's all rock in the end of the day anyway. And no one really self-identifies as a "stoner" band. I'm with you 100% on the Obsessed. They were right around the time of Monster Magnet's first (on record anyway) and the first bands I heard "stoner" being applied to (even if MM was kind of doing it tongue in cheek). Master of Reality though, far more Cream influenced than Sabs. I don't hear Sabbath guitar tone at all on those records. Maybe Chris Goss' role mentoring a young Josh Homme and that Desert scene has them in there as major influences but have you really listened to the records? Not much Sabbath there at all. Not even a hell of a lot of heavy/fuzz guitar. I love the band, don't get me wrong but I just don't see it. To me, more than Homme, the guys who really are the heart of Stoner rock, if such a thing really exists, are Brant Bjork, Mario Lalli and Wino. Criminal that neither Wino nor Brant were mentioned by name in this debate.
First marriage proposal? I proposed to Priya back in the Glam Metal chat. It wasn't acknowledged "per se", but as soon as I hit Enter, she gave a little nod as if to say, "come and get me big boy". It was at that moment that I realized we would grow old together.
+Paul Leach seems legit, congratulations :P
+Paul Leach True! How could we forget? Also I think Jason Decay's hair did get some marriage proposals.
+BANGER Don't you mean Daniel Dekay?
+The Abyssal Archivist Similar last name, but Jason Decay from the band Cauldron was on the Power Metal episode and Daniel Dekay from Diemonds was on Thrash.
Oh yeah you're right.
Saint Vitus and Pentagram need to be put up with there with Kyuss, Electric Wizard and Sleep as the "firsts" and "fathers" of this genre
I learned a lot from this episode. Out of all the sub-genres discussed so far, Stoner was the one I knew least about. I've always assumed that since I don't smoke that I wouldn't really "get it", so I never paid too much attention. Glad to learn that's not the case. Also, as a guitarist, the thought of "smokey" guitar tones is very interesting. Now I have a bunch of cool bands to check out.
+Paul Leach I suggest you start by Electriz Wizard's Black Butterfly.
So I’ve come back a year later to watch this again, thinking maybe this wasn’t as bad as I remember... wrong! It’s even worse! Banger, you have to redo this segment! And you have to get a different guest that actually knows and understands this sub-genre. No hipsters please!
I'm sure someone else will have said this but Kyuss came before qotsa, Homme formed qotsa not long before Kyuss split.
This lady is off her rocker. No Clutch? No COC? I'd like her to tell Pepper and Woody that they didn't make and still don't make Stoner/doom riffs. COC is 90s stoner rock 101.
And no MONSTER MAGNET????? You guys need a class in 90s Stoner,doom and Sludge. Horrible segment.
Monster Magnet had naked hot girls in their videos and concerts that's too sexist for these guys.
Eyehategod, Crowbar. This hipster chick doesn't know shit.
The Spicy_Weiner well said.
Clutch is a (of course well made) hodgepodge of rock subgenres and styles: blues-rock, funk, grunge, stoner etc. Monster Magnet is more stoner rock than stoner metal: I agree about Kyuss being the first stoner metal band. Indeed, if you do a search in the huge database The Metal Archives (which can't be accused of being biased or hipsterish) you will find that bands like Clutch and Monster Magnet are not included.
Sorry I missed the stream.
Needed for stoner: Monster Magnet, The Sword, Earth and Clutch.
I also consider White Zombie's La Sexorcisto a stoner metal album.
Really? I thought of it as an early groove metal album, but that a very unique album, ao it could be anything!!
Tbone5455 Definitely pretty groovy, but Stoner is pretty groovy as a rule. It fit right in with Sky Valley and Superjudge.
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i missed the stream too. lol.
i just finished wstching this episode and wonder "where the fuck is His Hero Is Gone? Where the fuck is Grief?"
smh
Obviously some of her statements don't exactly work out well, but her points about the common ancestors and the textures of this sound are probably some of the best explained definitions I've ever heard.
'smokeyness of the texture"
7 years late watching this, but as a non-stoner lover of all things stoner metal I am over the moon in agreement with Natalie's addition of the Melvins to this list (and most everything else she has said so far, 15 mins in).
Kylesa is awesome... and the lead singer was considered a pioneer of sludge metal when she was with Damad
Thank you for this debate! Stoner metal is one of the most important influences in modern metal!
Fu Manchu is one of the most under-estimated bands of its time. Huge influence on me and my buddies back around 1999 and 2000 and continue to be a big influence to this day (for those who have ears that can hear).
Type 0 was also partly doom , why you guys forgot them ?
Easily the most annoying co-presenter of lock horns! I've generally agreed with most of the other genres, and in the other episodes the guys have pretty much deferred to public opinion. She on the other hand thought Waaay too much about her opinion and dismissed bands without discussion! Her definitions of stoner and sludge were bullshit too!
No Weedeater???
One thing that makes a definition difficult is that there's a lot of overlap between styles. Sleep, Electric Wizard, and St. Vitus are just as much Doom as Stoner. Plus there are stoner bands that aren't ultra-heavy, like Monster Magnet and Fu Manchu.
I wouldn't put The Melvins in the Stoner category - they were influential to a lot of bands, but way too eclectic to put in any category. Maybe they can be considered Sludge, but they have a lot of other stylistic elements, too. The same goes for Clutch - too big and varied to classify.
The Melvins definitely have albums that can be considered sludge. Namely Gluey Porch Treatments, Lysol, Eggnog. You're right, though, they've done and influenced so many different styles, that it's almost impossible to categorize them.
Also a note to point out you need to add said band BUZZOVEN. aside from many member changes was one of the many pioneers of the genre not counting pre bands who paved the way such as Melvins who in turn with many others were influenced by sabbath/black flag... ect, ect.
When you guys do death/doom, don't leave it at death/doom. Make it Death/Funeral doom. That way the bands that are Gothic metal, like My Dying Bride and Paradise Lost can stay in Gothic Metal, where their influence is most note-worthy. With the Death/Funeral doom chart, you can add Death/Doom bands like Novembers Doom, and Daylight Dies, while also adding Funeral Doom bands like Thergothon, Skepticism, Evoken, etc, etc, etc.
From my Understanding of the Tree-Branches of Metal, there is no such thing as "Stoner Metal". There is Stoner Rock, which came to life through Kyuss. And then there is Doom (Metal) and Sludge (Metal). Doom coming from early Black Sabbath, Sludge Coming from a more punk and diy harsh background.
Damn I woulda loved to see an episode of stoner metal, its just the best.
Sam, redo this video with Pepper Keenan, this was PC.
MELVINS X EYEHATEGOD no other bands come close to the pain that is in the two bands...
How can you leave out Monster Magnet? "Shakes head"
if I hear her say texture one more time I'm gonna lose my shit. it doesn't make any sense. no musicians know what the hell your talking about
One big thing here. Queens of the Stone Age are Josh Hommes band. Which he founded after he broke with Kyuss, and they are very much a desert rock band.
Clutch is a band miles from metal. It's a rock n roll band, with boogie, blues, swing, groove and swagger
Stoner-riff oriented, like Kyuss, Obsessed, E Wizard, Fu Manchu, later COC, M Magnet. Doom-darkness oriented like Candlemass. Progressive Doom-texture n feel oriented like Khanate. Sludge-working through something, like Melvins n Eyehategod.
melvins are beyond sludge/grunge/doom....theyre punk/prog to me. they also happen to be metal, but it seems somewhat accidentallymetal to me. people seem to harp on their slow material but try learning one of their MID PACED songs. so glad you added NOLA in this episode eventually. im so glad about the metal anthopology yall present to us.
With sludge metal, I always throw Creep Diets and Lord Mantis out there.
No Monster Magnet on stoner? These guys don´t know shit
Neurosis, Melvins, HELMET, Kylesa, Samsara Blues Experiment, Sleep, early Monster Magnet, Pelican, Mars Red Sky, Russian Circles, even a lot of TOOL, Shrinebuilder, Saint Vitus, Isis, Black Pyramid, Electric Wizard, CULT OF LUNA, Dozer, Shellac, Earthless, Down, and more. But I still love Helmet, Fugde Tunnel, Deftones, Melvins, and a bit of Queens of the Stoneage, FuManchu, TOTIMOSHI, and Kyuss so whatevs. Crowbar is awesome, but not quite the same emotion. How about its just pure badass (not eyehategod, weedeater, type-stoner awesome live, but take the ride), extra chunky sludge-like perfection at its best - its that gradual build up of power defined by initial power that while metal and heavy is often gradually melodic crescendo with an easy invite to ride the wave, there is no denying of the ride when its truly good.
Did they not mention tool? Am I crazy to think they should be up there?
Kokusai Samu yes. You are.
Al Cisneros is Stoner Metal. Only 9:10 into the video, but i hope Om gets mentioned
Just leave the board blank and you have all the essential stoner bands
after trouble split up- Eric Wagner started a band called Lid
Lid belongs on the stoner chart... How ever ,they did release a lp called in the mushroom ..Don't forget the Chicago connection,Sam& Natalie
Anywho Cant wait to yall tackle the NU metal Branch
CLUTCH! you better believe it baby. of course she doesn't like Clutch--- She takes herself far too seriously!
Just so you guys know the pedal that are used in stoner metal are called fuzz pedals. It is literally fuzz.
That gorgutts colored sand shirt is as awesome as the album! Great video!
10:34 i think the main difference bwtween stoner and doom is the introduction of physicadelica into stoner
If High on Fire gets a spot then so must Om as they are the other more meditative half of Sleep. Man Is The Bastard needs an honorable mention at the least.
MITB was one of the greatest unquantifiable bands in underground music, period.
CLUTCH is much much much too diverse to be classified in any one category of music they are all musical geniuses
Although there's a lotta overlap, within the same bands.
Dutch band GORE started it all around 1986. Check them out.
Queens of the Stone Age did not predate Kyuss. And it spelled "Saint Vitus" not "St. Vitus". Check the album covers,Natalie. They never spelled it that way.
You need to add a New Wave Of Stoner Metal branch, that would be much easier for you guys.
They forgot about Acid King!
The Sword anyone?
+Brent Kossina They were added. Every episode there's always someone, "Blab bla BLAB blab anyone"?? If you guys would watch the whole episode, you'd see. Take an hour, crack a beer (or 6), and enjoy!
Hey you guys need to try this one again. Mulligan!
Dig your show! Your Stoner Rock vs. Stoner Metal was cool but a wee bit flawed. Kyuss is the absolute hands down king of "Stoner Rock" because it is deep, dirty, bluesy rock n' roll and not exactly quite metal. Where a band like "Sleep" is absolute Stoner Metal. You can clearly hear the distinction in terms of crushing tone and super slowed down tempo vs. 4/4 rock beat Kyuss quite often uses. Also, Where the fuck is the Melvins in all of this!?? They are the god fathers of "Stoner Metal!" Gluey Porch Treatments is 30 years old and pre dates any Kyuss man! Its ALL ABOUT THE MELVINS PERIOD! Thanks, Darren
If she did smoke a joint she might appreciate Clutch a bit more!
it's di·vi·sive /dəˈvīsiv/ *de-VICE-iv*, not *de-VIS-iv*. Sorry, but this is not the first time Sam Dunn has said this. It bugs the piss out of me.
Kiss HATED the " stoner tag". There was a great. Festival in Youngstown Ohio named Emmisions that had an amazing lineup. It crushed together Beaten Back To Pure, Orange Goblin, Disengage, Baroness, Scissorfiight, Rwake, Clutch et al. The " Stoner" thing wasn't as flashy, dramatic or " extreme" ( extreme isn't a musical value- Joe Carducci). If you consider the pop rock " hair /glam" bands as metal - not to say there isn't good music here, Martin P can take it from here- Saigon Kick fan to Saigon Kick fan, and for the 2000s up I'd go with the Hanoi Rocks/Smack line to Crash Diet. Best shave off The Melvins barrel- Boris. Alice In Chains has a helluva lot more in common with the Stoner tag than anywhere else. The "Grunge" Bands and " Stoner" bands. All were children of the great early- mid 80s SST tours.
Kyuss
Does this person seriously think that QOTSA influenced Kyuss? does she understand how linear time works?
At 8:30.
I've had this conversation with lots of people and THIS sums it up
She doesn't like Clutch, so that disqualifies them as a stoner band? By Zed's logic, I have become bored of death metal, therefore it is no longer a subgenre of metal.
Did she just say Queens of the Stone Age influenced Kyuss? Like... wat. Kyuss was dead and buried before QotSA even existed. QotSA literally rose from the ashes of Kyuss.
I was trying to shout this at them through my screen!! I can't believe everyone let that go when this was live. Crazy.
DJ_Marxman yea she said that shit twice and also implied QOTSA came first, nonsense. I think they need smokers for this Stoner Metal episode
Yep.... She doesnt know kyuss was before QOTSA.
she basically says....There was these bands like QOTSA who where more stoner rock and then Kyuss came and coalesced the sound to the more metal than rock.
Thats the I read about it and dont know shit versus I lived it when it happened version of reality.
yeah, how dare she make a single inaccurate statement in an hour long video that is recorded live and unedited!
yeah, I agree. ONE mistake would be ok for someone claiming to be an EXPERT. However the continuous and repeated mistakes clearly show that this is far worse. How embarrassing and publicly humiliating to have an hour plus of utterly misinformed and incorrect errors.
Ironically it appears like you are trolling the "Expert". Just WOW!!
QOTSA definitely did not predate Kyuss. They formed after Kyuss split. On a side note, anything with John Garcia on vocals is amazing.
Rubbish
I honestly don't know why people obsess over kyuss. I can't stand the vocals, they're too whiny
qotsa is one of the few bands I still like. The music is angry enough, I don't really need the angry lyrics and vocals. I used to like it but now it sounds like a hat on a hat, I prefer the contrast. Truckfighters do it pretty well, their V album has a couple bangers
Qotsa came out of kyuss so rubbish dude shut up. I was listening to kyuss as the albums were being dropped and I went to the first qotsa tour after circus leaves town came out
Stoner Metal, Stoner Rock, and Sludge Metal has been my favorite genre of metal since high school. I'll see if I can contribute:
Stoner Metal: Sleep, Electric Wizard, High on Fire, Acid King, Weedeater, Bongzilla, & Orange Goblin
Stoner Rock: Kyuss, Fu Manchu, Truckfighters, The Sword, Monster Magnet, Clutch, Red Fang, & Corrosion of Conformity
Sludge Metal: Melvins, Acid Bath, Crowbar, Soilent Green, Eyehategod, Mastodon, Kylesa, Zoroaster, Baroness, & Black Tusk
Ian-o -o The Sword has def gone more rock now if you've heard their most recent work. COC is often associated as being one of the first stoner rock groups, so I put them there too. They have several more metal distorted songs, but their song structure if most definitely more rock oriented.
Don’t forget Down as sludge
Acid Bath is clearly Sludge. My god Im sorry I love Natalies enthusiasm but she has no idea what shes talking about. Very annoying to watch
CeaselessDischarge I assume you've only heard their first album. Their second album is way slower, druggier and doomier, and 100% belongs in the stoner doom conversation. Not saying the first album wasn't influential, but the second one was honestly more ahead of its time and shouldn't be ignored.
@@ConvincingPeople No, thats wrong. Paegan Terrorism Tactics has plenty of ripping death metal riffs, hardcore punk, shrieked vocals, noise, industrial, etc. They aren't a stoner band. They're sludge.
Matter Daddy Electric Wizard and High On Fire have all of the above elements as well. I'm also not arguing that they weren't by and large a sludge band per se, but rather that her point about their influence being stronger on early stoner doom than on sludge as a whole makes sense given the time period and how unusual their sound on Paegan Terrorism Tactics was.
@@ConvincingPeople They really don't, man. Electric Wizard or High on Fire doesn't use industrial/power electronics, they don't play black metal riffs, they don't shriek like they're about to vomit intestines. And no fucking stoner bands that came after do that either. But there are plenty of sludge metal bands that have blastbeats, noise, and a horrific depressing atmosphere. There's also the fact that Holy Mountain came out before either Acid Bath record, so the record that literally every single goddamn stoner band sounds like was already being copied before Acid Bath made the two best sludge metal records that aren't Take as Needed for Pain. pissBOY
Is it just me, or, did she claim that QOTSA pre dated Kyuss? QOTSA rose out of the ashes of Kyuss. Sleep, Clutch, Monster Magnet were the first bands to actually be labeled Stoner Rock.
Arguing that Clutch didn't belong because they are more rock these days is fine, but that initial out of hand dismissal as if we should all just agree that Clutch is "laaaaame" was some Pitchfork level snobbery. I have to admit that I am "emotionally done with" critics like this.
Acid Bath is one of the premier sludge metal bands ever. They are in NO WAY stoner metal.
@@MrDinghus I agree, and acid King is amazing stoner and should have been included.
I think Deadboy & the Elephantmen was stoner, and I see where she's going with sliding them between stoner and sludge. That being said, I'm with you. Acid Bath is sludge.
They really aren't anything..they fused death, sludge doom, black metal folk and alot of grunge . There you get acid bath. It's more it's own genra.
@@xokamikyox Totally agree. But Acid Bath was also an Avant-garde Metal band that pioneered Sludge every bit as much as the Melvin's did without even knowing it! Like most great bands that serve as prototypes for great genres! If Sludge ever had a "Big four" it would be The Melvins, Soilent Green/Eyehategod tie, Jucifer (another overwhelmingly underrated Sludge band falsely thrown into other genres) and at the very top of the apex...ACID fucking BATH! (Down gets a huge honorable mention but they were later. C.O.C. for being a crossover thrash band that played Sludge the same way that Zep were not a true Metal band but created Metal songs from time to time.)
@@MRSludgedude Yes, they were Sludge. The greatest pioneers of Sludge. But I do see your point because they were also Avant-garde.
Melvin's, Buzzov-en, Eyehategod, Weedeater should all be mentioned.
ACID BATH=Sludge!Was good until this point
Hipster Chick!lmao
Mel Robbins Go back and listen to their second album. Most people in this comment section seem not to have heard it. (I also honestly think it's better than their début but that's probably a scalding hot take.)
@@ConvincingPeople I prefer the second record but still love songs from the debut.I have to give the edge to PTT.
Well shes just a goddamn genius aint she?!
Since when is Saint Vitus spelled St.Vitus?! She seems to really know her shit! lol
literally on their first s/t album - how they declared themselves to the world. But she didn't merch for them so they aren't worth it
How the hell could you leave off Buzzoven and Grief? Both are innovators of sludge.
Because this girl is super young probably just like all the staff of the show and Sam isn’t a stoner metal fan generally speaking.
where's Bongzilla, I swear.
Stoner Metal =Almost always uses the blues scale for riffs Doom = Almost never uses the blues scale for riffs. Easy as that.
That is how I define it.
wrong
Another thing, woman!! It is "Saint" Vitus NOT "St.", unless all of their album covers and merch were typo's.
YES
The misinformation about Saint Vitus is blood boiling. Not doom? "It's spelled St. Vitus" Every album cover has the word Saint on it. It's in the logo! god damn it.
This needs to be redone with someone competent
Miss Zed was informed with her Folk Metal but she was not good at all on this one. There were some GLARING omissions. She really seemed to hold this board with an iron grip. Remember, this is not about what YOU think, it's about what the commenters think...oh wait.
Seriously, Mastodon is prog sludge. Monster Magnet is one of the biggest and most defining stoner bands. Clutch is a stoner band. Weedeater is stoner.
I really don't ever think that Zed needs to come back. Especially after trying to argue that St. Vitus is a stoner band. Have you listened to them?? This was a poor, poor episode.
She thinks acid bath is stoner, so really I don't think she understood the defining attributes of either stoner or sludge
***** maybe I misunderstood her, but I have never listened to stoner to contemplate the universe. I mean, yeah, bands Monster Magnet (WHICH THEY IGNORED) discuss such topics, but at the end of the day, stoner is about pot, man. At least in my eyes it is. Bad prog is for contemplating the universe (looking at you BTBAM) SQUIDLORD is about getting "High As Fuck On A Mountain." This episode was just pathetic. Even worse than Symphonic Black metal.
+Thad White that's not all stoner is about, Surprisingly they don't just sing about getting high.
+Thad White I didn't enjoy this episode at all, cause my two favorite genres are stoner and sludge, I grew up in San Jose where Sleep(the godfathers of stoner) are from where that's what a lot of people listen to.
Saint Vitus too fast.......Really?
"they say my songs, are much too slow," (they as in everyone except fucking Natalie)
@@kosherwhitewine5879 could that make Saint Vitus a doom metal band ?
@Aphotic Jake: Saint Vitus was a 80s Doom metal band...not Stoner metal
I feel that including Saint Vitus with Trouble on the Doom metal chart would be the perfect fit
this lady does not know what she's talking about.
also, shout out to Truck Fighters
The first stoner metal record was Masters of Reality.
This episode should really be redone with the guy from Blood Ceremony who was the guest for the top Doom albums episode, that guy actually knew what he was talking about and clearly loved the slower styles of Metal.
Did she really say Queens of the Stone Age influenced Kyuss??
+Fonz Chavez Yes. Yes she did. When she first said that, I thought maybe I heard her incorrectly or that she got confused. But then she said some dumb shit like that again while discussing St. Vitus. I don't think she's aware that they're a relatively new band that formed from Kyuss.
+Fonz Chavez they should of asked here from the JUMP has Natalie Ever SMoked WEED ..?????
@@stewartdowouis2457 saint Vitus isn't stoner, they're classic doom. Wtf with this woman, lol
Who is this woman? Obviously knows jackshit about this genre, her whole rant about QOTSA being progenitors or something that came before stoner and indeed KYUSS!! Do neither of them know that QOSTA was born straight out of the original break up of KYUSS? It was nothing short of embarrassing and she's meant to be some sort of pro journalist. Her rant on CLUTCH too made for an all out joke, i couldn't care less whether you personally like them of not lady, this isn't a debate about your own personal taste. What else was frustrating about this episode was the undermining of bands like RED FANG, THE SWORD and KYLESA as if they just because they are more recent bands somehow don't belong, ridiculous assumption really, all three and more have their place here, also NO MONSTER MAGNET?!!! Seriously get someone else who actually knows a thing to co host next time, worst episode i've watched so far
I demand you do this whole show again with someone who actually knows what they are on about! This chick knows nothing about Sludge or Stoner! Get out!....haha sorry but it's hard to watch this when she gets so much wrong and makes Sam politely agree with absolute nonsense!
Banger Staff: I think a very welcome guest to a Lock Horns segment would be Myke C-Town from Dead End Hip Hop...brilliant, passionate, refreshing TH-camr who would be a good fit for maybe another black metal discussion?
Wait... Black metal or black metal?
i really want you to do post metal
*cough**cough**cough*
sweatleaf
first stoner metal song
So where would Monster Magnet be? Mastermind, Dopes, Superjudge, etc.-- I can only describe these Albums as Stoner. Am I wrong here? MM are a total Stoner Band.
I think they're stoner rock, but probably not stoner metal.
I'm very late to the party here but as someone who obsesses over these two genres to an unhealthy extent. I was really crushed not to see Bongzilla or Earth.
I'd throw in Fu Manchu, Acrimony, High On Fire, Earthless, and Spiritual Beggars.
I wouldn't
*Calling it Psychedelic (Doom) Metal is WAY better than calling it Stoner (Doom) Metal!*
wheres acid king
Omg thank you, they're literally one of the Kings of stoner, probably my favorite