As a composer, I LOVE the cimbasso for big, loud passages. Tuba is great, but very dark even when playing louder dynamics. Cimbasso just has that snap like trombones and trumpets, especially on short notes!
@@Turt3752 Pretty much, although sometimes on scores for big action movies you'll see both contra bone AND a couple cimbassi which is a bit overkill imo
@@ferretyluv yes they exist, they’re just generally ridiculous in my opinion as a low brass player. For all cimbasso’s faults I genuinely think that in all contexts that don’t require a glissando cimbasso is just better. Personal opinion
I’m surprised you didn’t mention that the cimbasso has become very commonly used in film scoring. With how “uncommon” the instrument itself is, most people have definitely heard it before because of that.
I love the cimbasso and am very jealous of you for having one. I find it interesting that it seemingly has none of the negative characteristics/associations of the valve trombone (stuffiness, intonation etc) despite being essentially the same instrument type just down a 4th or 5th.
Interestingly, it popped up on Reddit a week or two ago asking , if the cimbasso is essentially the valve trombone equivalent of the contrabass trombone, where is the prevalence of a valve bass trombone (bass bore and large bell). Turns out Thein makes exactly that, complete with 4 valves. I'd be curious how that plays compared to a tenor valve trombone.
It sounds like a cross between a tuba and a trombone. My dad says Verdi’s Forza del Destino is nearly impossible to play for 3rd trombone. I told him about the Cimbasso and now he realizes it’s because the part was written for it and not trombone.
I was playing BBb contrabass trombone alongside a tuba in a concert band and the color that we complemented each other with, the timbre, it was absolutely gorgeous and it provided such a wonderful foundation for the band. Everybody in the band loved it. I'm sure the Cimbasso would provide a similar timbre.
after reflecting I would like to play one of these. I played trumpet and baritone, seems around a midpoint of ranges to what Im used to. Neat how you described that the tuba's give more of a breathy foundational tone to the music but although this could not do that, it gave the opposite, more like a tromboneish or something type of ring. I hadnt herd one quite like it.
I never expected to encounter a sound completely novel to me in a a few bars of “Frosty the Snowman”, but then I clicked on this video. That cimbasso is incredible. It has the clean articulation of a trumpet, the tone and the punch of a trombone, and the pitch of a tuba. Truly a treat for the ears.
I've waited for this video forever. Such an unusual instrument, yet more mainstream than some of the oddballs you've featured, i was always surprised you hadn't featured it yet. Thanks for sharing!
A surprising amount of modern cinema features cimbassi in its soundtracks! They are used to fantastic affect on suspenseful or “rougher” sounding passages demanding both presence and “bite” from the bass.
Thank you for yet another interesting and informative video, Trent! Apparently, the name Cimbasso is a corruption of the abbreviation for the early keyed instrument you describe, the English Bass Horn (that looks like a premature Ophicleide), in Italian known as Corno Inglese di Basso, which was often abbreviated (handwritten at the beginning of the score to denote the instrument) as C.In.Basso and thus became Cimbasso.
When you make the part 2 video, would you give a full tour of the instrument? Like, what it looks like in the middle, at the bottom, etc. I'd be really interested in that
I would like to see how and if it breaks down. It would make sense for the upper section to be removable in a similar way to how a trombone's bell section comes off of the slide. However I can't seem to see such a screw coupling in the video where it would make sense to have one. If it doesn't come apart I can see how the case would need to be ridiculously large to protect such an awkwardly large and weird-shape if it were all one piece.
@@svbarryduckworth628it does come apart, you can see the screw holding the bell section to the body at about 0:46 , to the left of the first vertical brace for the bell.
About 10 years ago, Orchestra Hall in Chicago hosted all the low brass players from the major groups in the United States. When Ricardo Mutti say "this was Arnold Jacob's Chimbasso", the entire audience gave a standing ovation.
You have inspired me to have a wall in my basement dedicated to various brass instruments. I bet it's wonderful to be surrounded by so many instruments
Nice to see you on the screen again Trent. I never cease to be amazed at the creations of brass tubing combinations that have appeared in the planet. I imagine nobody makes Cimbassos any longer, but I may be wrong. I’d love to see the case.😋
When I was at eastman I got to play don harry's cimbasso in an italian opera overture. He had frankensteined the thing himself out of a marching baritone bell and a cut-down conn tuba valve section. It was so much fun absolutely honking on it lol
Remembering that awful time he dropped the contra bass trombone, I'm just about sweating with nervousness as I see Trent switch between hands holding the instrument and the had he is gesturing with.
I believe the bottom rests on the floor, so it would be harder to drop. Still, it's probably an expensive instrument, so care in handling it is important.
Thank you for providing such great content! As a bass trombonist, I’ve wondered how it compares to the bass trombone. I wonder how it directly compares to that Orsi Contrabass Valve Trombone you reviewed.
I kinda like cimbassos. If I had the money, I'd love to make a contrabass superbone. 4+ valves like a cimbasso (preferably compensating), but also a slide like a contrabass trombone. That would be awesome. I'd prefer silver/nickel plated with gold highlights, maybe
Pretty much. Verdi literally calls the Cimbasso part "Trombone Contrabbasso" The Cimbasso plays a lot better though, the contrabbass trombone is a bit ridiculous
Random thing to say, but does anybody know where to find a good priced vanhanni bass trombone mouthpiece? I can't really find one, and i really need it for jazz band. Also, great video Trent
I have played Tuba a little bit before and I now own a Contrabass Trombone in F but I have never played a Cimbasso, but I would like to try playing one at some point and maybe buy one at some point but its hard to imagine that I would like playing it more than I like playing my Contrabass Trombone lol.
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It's always a treat to see a video from you in my feed. Hope you're doing well!
As a composer, I LOVE the cimbasso for big, loud passages. Tuba is great, but very dark even when playing louder dynamics. Cimbasso just has that snap like trombones and trumpets, especially on short notes!
Cimbasso is literally just if contrabass trombone was actually a good idea lmao
@@Turt3752 Pretty much, although sometimes on scores for big action movies you'll see both contra bone AND a couple cimbassi which is a bit overkill imo
@@Turt3752Contrabass trombones exist already, don’t they?
@@TiagoNugentComposer can’t have too much overkill when Tom Cruise is on screen
@@ferretyluv yes they exist, they’re just generally ridiculous in my opinion as a low brass player. For all cimbasso’s faults I genuinely think that in all contexts that don’t require a glissando cimbasso is just better. Personal opinion
New Zealand composer James Verdi 😂. Oh how I love these videos ...
I’m surprised you didn’t mention that the cimbasso has become very commonly used in film scoring. With how “uncommon” the instrument itself is, most people have definitely heard it before because of that.
I love the cimbasso and am very jealous of you for having one. I find it interesting that it seemingly has none of the negative characteristics/associations of the valve trombone (stuffiness, intonation etc) despite being essentially the same instrument type just down a 4th or 5th.
Interestingly, it popped up on Reddit a week or two ago asking , if the cimbasso is essentially the valve trombone equivalent of the contrabass trombone, where is the prevalence of a valve bass trombone (bass bore and large bell). Turns out Thein makes exactly that, complete with 4 valves. I'd be curious how that plays compared to a tenor valve trombone.
It sounds like a cross between a tuba and a trombone.
My dad says Verdi’s Forza del Destino is nearly impossible to play for 3rd trombone. I told him about the Cimbasso and now he realizes it’s because the part was written for it and not trombone.
Maybe it would play better on a superbone?
I got a cimbasso a few weeks ago and love playing it.
Great! Splendid presentation ❤
I'm a bass trombone player, and one of these is definitely on my instrument bucket list. I think they're fantastic.
Love it! Thank you for setting the record straight on Verdi's origin too.
That’s Joe Green to you!
Just waiting for someone to update Wikipedia using me as a source.
@@TrentHamilton I’ll get on to that now…
I was playing BBb contrabass trombone alongside a tuba in a concert band and the color that we complemented each other with, the timbre, it was absolutely gorgeous and it provided such a wonderful foundation for the band. Everybody in the band loved it. I'm sure the Cimbasso would provide a similar timbre.
Studying 19th century opera (particularly the score to Rigoletto), and Verdi uses Cimbasso a lot. Thank you so much for this video!
truly makes my day brighter when I see you've uploaded. I will never take your channel or content for granted again
after reflecting I would like to play one of these. I played trumpet and baritone, seems around a midpoint of ranges to what Im used to. Neat how you described that the tuba's give more of a breathy foundational tone to the music but although this could not do that, it gave the opposite, more like a tromboneish or something type of ring. I hadnt herd one quite like it.
I never expected to encounter a sound completely novel to me in a a few bars of “Frosty the Snowman”, but then I clicked on this video. That cimbasso is incredible. It has the clean articulation of a trumpet, the tone and the punch of a trombone, and the pitch of a tuba. Truly a treat for the ears.
Another great video from one of the best channels on youtube. Great instrument and interesting history. Thank you Trent, looking forward for part 2.
I've been wanting a Trent Hamilton video on the cimbasso for so long
I've waited for this video forever. Such an unusual instrument, yet more mainstream than some of the oddballs you've featured, i was always surprised you hadn't featured it yet. Thanks for sharing!
The cimbasso: a cool mix between a trombone and a tuba
Baritone: lame mix between a trombone and a tuba
A surprising amount of modern cinema features cimbassi in its soundtracks! They are used to fantastic affect on suspenseful or “rougher” sounding passages demanding both presence and “bite” from the bass.
That instrument is awesome!
That’s a really cool instrument I’m a brass player and love the sound that it mkaes
I played baritone for a while in band and this cimbasso would have been fun to try
Thank you for yet another interesting and informative video, Trent! Apparently, the name Cimbasso is a corruption of the abbreviation for the early keyed instrument you describe, the English Bass Horn (that looks like a premature Ophicleide), in Italian known as Corno Inglese di Basso, which was often abbreviated (handwritten at the beginning of the score to denote the instrument) as C.In.Basso and thus became Cimbasso.
Been waiting years for this video!
When you make the part 2 video, would you give a full tour of the instrument? Like, what it looks like in the middle, at the bottom, etc. I'd be really interested in that
I would like to see how and if it breaks down. It would make sense for the upper section to be removable in a similar way to how a trombone's bell section comes off of the slide. However I can't seem to see such a screw coupling in the video where it would make sense to have one.
If it doesn't come apart I can see how the case would need to be ridiculously large to protect such an awkwardly large and weird-shape if it were all one piece.
@@svbarryduckworth628it does come apart, you can see the screw holding the bell section to the body at about 0:46 , to the left of the first vertical brace for the bell.
Thanks. It's hard to see on a phone screen.
@@svbarryduckworth6280:47
Tone sounding great Trent! I love the cimbasso, such a bold sound. I'd love to have one someday
About 10 years ago, Orchestra Hall in Chicago hosted all the low brass players from the major groups in the United States. When Ricardo Mutti say "this was Arnold Jacob's Chimbasso", the entire audience gave a standing ovation.
Good to see you back!
Very glad to see a new video from you Trent! Great quality as usual
“And that’s the different between an Eb tuba and an Eb cimasOOoOoOOOO-“
You have inspired me to have a wall in my basement dedicated to various brass instruments. I bet it's wonderful to be surrounded by so many instruments
Nice to see you on the screen again Trent. I never cease to be amazed at the creations of brass tubing combinations that have appeared in the planet. I imagine nobody makes Cimbassos any longer, but I may be wrong. I’d love to see the case.😋
Please show the case in part 2.
Love me a cimbasso, had the use of one, a few years back. Wish I had one today. 😢
I love the Jooly comforting sound of it, thank you for the video!
That instrument looks amazing, very intimidating. You keep fueling my addicting to brass instruments.
lets hope we don't to wait years for a part 2!
French horn flashbacks 😂
Love your videos, really glad to see you back on YT!
So happy you are back! Greetings from Florida.
always great to see an upload Trent, always a highlight when theres a new video from you
Saw one for the first time on the Vienna Philharmonic summer concert 2024. Cool!
Wow! 🤩 What a contraption 😍 love it 😊
I could not be happier about your recent content, Trent. Really awesome stuff!!
Congratulations! 🤗 Mattis Cederberg from WDR BIG BAND is cool modern cimbasso plaer, I really like him! ❤
When I was at eastman I got to play don harry's cimbasso in an italian opera overture. He had frankensteined the thing himself out of a marching baritone bell and a cut-down conn tuba valve section. It was so much fun absolutely honking on it lol
I wish I saw the cimbasso more! I love the instrument.
Nice to see you back in my feed Trent.
Remembering that awful time he dropped the contra bass trombone, I'm just about sweating with nervousness as I see Trent switch between hands holding the instrument and the had he is gesturing with.
I believe the bottom rests on the floor, so it would be harder to drop. Still, it's probably an expensive instrument, so care in handling it is important.
One of my favorite instruments, ive always wanted one of these😔
Great to see you again!
Lovely video, always glad to see a post from you 😊
You came back !* 🎉
Good to see you back. Sometimes it’s good to take a break.
I never knew how much I wanted a Cimbasso!
I've been waiting for this video for sooo long!
Thank you for providing such great content! As a bass trombonist, I’ve wondered how it compares to the bass trombone. I wonder how it directly compares to that Orsi Contrabass Valve Trombone you reviewed.
i luv the sound of that thing!
Heeey! Welcome back! Hope you're doing allright!
Will you be doing a comparison between this and a standard compensating tuba in the future?
HOW DO U GET ENOUGH OIL FOR ALL THOSE INSTRUMENTS
I love cimbasso. I have been wishing you would return. Are you back?
Wonderful!
Yey! Thank you for the video!
I greatly miss Trent Hamilton and wish him well. Moreover, I yearn for his return to TH-cam.
Interesting, thank you. I'd never heard of this instrument before.
That's a very interesting looking instrument.
It's similar to a trombone, but also vertical like a tenor horn
I kinda like cimbassos. If I had the money, I'd love to make a contrabass superbone. 4+ valves like a cimbasso (preferably compensating), but also a slide like a contrabass trombone. That would be awesome. I'd prefer silver/nickel plated with gold highlights, maybe
The Cimbasso is a big ol Contrabass Valve Trombone
Can you put a bassoon reed on it and make a cimbassoon?
So is this really just a contrabass valve trombone?
Yes. that's my 'take' on it as well. A Contrabass (Valved) Trombone in Eb, made into a very awkward shape.
Pretty much. Verdi literally calls the Cimbasso part "Trombone Contrabbasso"
The Cimbasso plays a lot better though, the contrabbass trombone is a bit ridiculous
Only Trent could manage to compare the low brass section to a sausage!!! 😂
do you know what the additional up to 3 valves (to a total of 7) do on other cimbassi?
Random thing to say, but does anybody know where to find a good priced vanhanni bass trombone mouthpiece? I can't really find one, and i really need it for jazz band. Also, great video Trent
Just had a quick google - wow, these things are expensive!
How different is this vs a contrabass trombone as far as sound goes? I’ve heard both but not together.
I played the cimbasso in a marching band ,it was not mine ,I usually play the cornet and the trombone
The perfect tuba substitute for a ska band lol
😂😂😂straordinario il musicista neozolandese James Verdi😂😂😂 il grande GIUSEPPE VERDI che pretendeva il cimbasso e non il bass tuba
can you do more videos with the cimbasso
I have played Tuba a little bit before and I now own a Contrabass Trombone in F but I have never played a Cimbasso, but I would like to try playing one at some point and maybe buy one at some point but its hard to imagine that I would like playing it more than I like playing my Contrabass Trombone lol.
Well this is pretty much a valve Contrabbass Trombone
Just a general recommendation to check out Mattis Cedeburg some excellent cimbasso playing!
James Verdi. Joe’s little brother!!! 😂
I'd love to hear you play a range of sounds on the instrument, highlighting the range of sounds...
Wow it probably cost as much to ship as it would cost for a person to fly from Alabama or wherever it was, to your place in NZ.
You should do a video on a piccolo french horn
Have you used this horn in a Tuba Christmas event?
What brands is this cimbasso?
It looks like a bass valve trombone, but it probably was so unweidly to play, they bent the "slide" section down and put it on a pin hahaha
As a euphonium player I want one. great video 2x👍
YOU GOT ONE!!!
The cimbasso!!
Fun. Need to continue to work on the similes, though.
do a mouthpiece swap with a trumpet and trombone
Don’t break it like your contra I believe ☠️
Are you back? When was this posted?
As a (BBb) tuba player, the story made me very sad
What brand did you get?
Fascinating, Trent. Never heard of this beastie, and now O want one. Dangit
Trent for President !
I had no idea that is how cimbasso is pronounced... I guess it makes sense though
Was it delivered with the mouthpiece you have there ?