Sliding rope sure makes it easier on your horse , I day work quite a few brandings and my horse can pull way more calves when I slide rope. Even with a smaller branding pen I use at least a 40' rope. Pat & Deb I've sure enjoyed these vids and learning about true bridle horses. My youngest son is headed off to college in the fall so I'm trying to get to where I can do better at 1 man doctoring.
Thanks Jarrod , I follow 3:10 and they are pretty fun to watch and a great bunch of guys, I've even bought ropes from them and had them shipped to Canada.
@@jarrodlattinville7225 They do it different for sure and exactly the reason for Pats video..Ive watched some of their videos and it seems like a Team roping with long ropes..They do it their way,and thats fine there,i suppose,,but if you handle stock,like they do,on any reputable outfit,in the Great basin,,You're likely gonna be rollin yer bed..Trust me ....I may be a stick in the mud,but when you take something,that has been developed for generations to be smooth and efficient and turn it into a timed event or competition,,It ruins the integrity,of what it was designed for....
They have developed their own style for sure. Part of the reason they can get away with doing things the way they do is that they have their cattle in higher concentrations on relatively flat pastures. They’re young and strong and can talk about doctoring 50 head in a day. It’s a little different when you have to trot 10 miles to find a small grab of cattle that you’re checking. Then pick your way over a lava rock mountain to find the next bunch. In big country, you’re really doing something if you doctor a dozen head in a day. The other thing I’ll mention only once is that the El Guapo (as they call it on the 3:10 channel) is really a derivation of circling up that cowboys out west generally use on larger cattle like soggy yearlings, full grown cows, or young bulls. We take more trips around the cow so that when we ride off and take them down there are more wraps around the hind legs which means we aren’t pulling on their necks so they aren’t choking. With the smaller calves they show on the 3:10 channel, we would usually just rope a hind foot, get short, tail them down, and tie them down. It’s a lot easier on a sick calf because you aren’t choking them which is counterproductive to the shot you just gave. I’m not trying to put down those 3:10 guys. They have their own ways and at least one of them has a really nice handle on his horse. But it’s a bit different than the way we do things in big, rugged country.
@@TightwadTodd I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. My comment was directed specifically to show the way they do things. Not weather they were right or wrong. I dont work in the basin so I cant speak to how things are done in that country. Much the same way that we dont use 60 footers in my country, and most everyone tries hard. While I may not always agree with the way 3:10 does things, I do find them entertaining.
Thank you!! I'm not a roper, used to try but not very well lol, now I'm learning to do ranch riding and sometimes they throw cattle into the mix, so thank you for this and your other videos!! Learning allot
Hey from Thomaston,GA! I saw a short clip from the 80’s of Mr Pat demonstrating the vaquero figure eight loop. I was wondering if you would show more detail on it and help me to learn it.. I’m left handed,if that matters and you also should know that I can “miss with the best of em” which I usually do!! Thanks and Merry Christmas from middle GA!
Thank you so much for passing your knowledge on. I look forward to every one of your videos please keep them coming. I live on Cape Cod now probably the Great White Shark capital of the US if not the world.
Hello Pat Some of Monty Foreman's old videos might help people understand why humans and horses communicate in a symbiotic relationship. You are right there but Monty had a unique way of explaining the relationship and exhibiting it. Love your horsemanship! Old rider ; still hoping to be a Cowboy
I agree with everything you said . I branded with some guys last week that had rubber and no knowledge of sliding rope. They were big calves and tough on horses. Tailing them down without the header slipping rope is dang near impossible. From southern Idaho What is the name of the video that shows the header laying the calf down with the rope going from the head to the front feet. Thanks for the time you spend entertaining and educating us.
I have a question. I thought a bridle horse with a spade bit being ridden, his head set should be constant? This horse is carrying his head pretty high. Should his head carriage be more collected?
Nope. That is a misconception brought about by the performance world. A horse in true collection extends her neck and poll up and forward and carries her head slightly in front of the vertical. If you’ll look at the old dressage horses, they have a more upright head carriage as well. The problem with the modern “head set” is that it actually dumps the horse’s weight onto the forehand instead of shifting it to the hindquarters as it should be. If you’ll study the anatomy of the spine of the horse, you’ll understand better about what happens when the horse is over flexed. I believe that this shift to the unnatural head carriage happened as quarter horses were bred to be downhill.
Great video! If I let my horn wrap get ridged up very much it burns my poly ropes up quickly. I would imagine that nylon would last longer with the ridges. What effect would it have on a reata? I noticed the guys using waxed cotton ropes have glazed over horn wraps from the wax melting and seems like the poly got along with the wax really well and the horn wrap doesn't ridge up the same way.
Pat has always gotten his ropes from King’s in Sheridan. He quit using poly ropes when they started putting those little flecks of metal in them. He has occasionally bought one of those hard twisted cotton ropes in Mexico but those ropes rag out so fast it isn’t hardly worth the effort. Plus the dallies don’t seem to hold as well and you really have to stack on the dailies which can be dangerous. We’re completely out of the loop with regard to the waxed cotton so we don’t have an opinion on that. So the nylon ropes we get from King’s seem to work for us given that we don’t have to deal with a lot of mud and bad weather.
Thank you for clearing up the sliding rope I was getting confused with pro rodeo sliding to ad to the loop. Darn team ropers might have to get rid of those friends😂😂. And I was also wondering what's your opinion on starting a five year old that's never been roped off of
I'm doing that right now with my 5yr old mare. She just started pulling logs this weekend. Pat's videos are great so you can see how to be safe and fair to your horse.
How do I keep from getting rope burns on my hands when letting the rope slide. I prefer not to wear gloves. I think I need to develop a better feel with a softer touch.
TheFitz has it exactly right. You have to get comfortable allowing the rope to slide through your hands and guide the rope to the horn. If you’re burning your hands, you’re holding the rope too hard and trying to pull the calf to the horn. You can practice a couple of ways without live cattle. If you have a heavy log, you can practice while you’re dragging it backwards. If you have a good friend who doesn’t mind helping you (or children who you can bribe!), you can give him the end of your rope and have him walk away while you dally and stop him. Good luck!
You bet! Oh and the “using a kid@ thing works really well! That’s how I got my kids to learn how to dally! 1 kid horseback and 1 kid trying to take the rope away! Lot of fun to watch and nobody gets hurt....generally.
Sliding rope sure makes it easier on your horse , I day work quite a few brandings and my horse can pull way more calves when I slide rope. Even with a smaller branding pen I use at least a 40' rope. Pat & Deb I've sure enjoyed these vids and learning about true bridle horses. My youngest son is headed off to college in the fall so I'm trying to get to where I can do better at 1 man doctoring.
Check out 3:10 ranch life. They do alot of 1 man doctoring. Those boys are in Tennessee and they are sure fun to watch
Thanks Jarrod , I follow 3:10 and they are pretty fun to watch and a great bunch of guys, I've even bought ropes from them and had them shipped to Canada.
@@jarrodlattinville7225 They do it different for sure and exactly the reason for Pats video..Ive watched some of their videos and it seems like a Team roping with long ropes..They do it their way,and thats fine there,i suppose,,but if you handle stock,like they do,on any reputable outfit,in the Great basin,,You're likely gonna be rollin yer bed..Trust me ....I may be a stick in the mud,but when you take something,that has been developed for generations to be smooth and efficient and turn it into a timed event or competition,,It ruins the integrity,of what it was designed for....
They have developed their own style for sure. Part of the reason they can get away with doing things the way they do is that they have their cattle in higher concentrations on relatively flat pastures. They’re young and strong and can talk about doctoring 50 head in a day. It’s a little different when you have to trot 10 miles to find a small grab of cattle that you’re checking. Then pick your way over a lava rock mountain to find the next bunch. In big country, you’re really doing something if you doctor a dozen head in a day. The other thing I’ll mention only once is that the El Guapo (as they call it on the 3:10 channel) is really a derivation of circling up that cowboys out west generally use on larger cattle like soggy yearlings, full grown cows, or young bulls. We take more trips around the cow so that when we ride off and take them down there are more wraps around the hind legs which means we aren’t pulling on their necks so they aren’t choking. With the smaller calves they show on the 3:10 channel, we would usually just rope a hind foot, get short, tail them down, and tie them down. It’s a lot easier on a sick calf because you aren’t choking them which is counterproductive to the shot you just gave. I’m not trying to put down those 3:10 guys. They have their own ways and at least one of them has a really nice handle on his horse. But it’s a bit different than the way we do things in big, rugged country.
@@TightwadTodd I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. My comment was directed specifically to show the way they do things. Not weather they were right or wrong. I dont work in the basin so I cant speak to how things are done in that country. Much the same way that we dont use 60 footers in my country, and most everyone tries hard. While I may not always agree with the way 3:10 does things, I do find them entertaining.
I’m listening Going outside now to try it out.
I broke in horses near Sheridan Wyo in 1990. Loved it
Thank you!! I'm not a roper, used to try but not very well lol, now I'm learning to do ranch riding and sometimes they throw cattle into the mix, so thank you for this and your other videos!! Learning allot
This is a very helpful video! Would you be able to do a video on ways to practice sliding rope?
Hey from Thomaston,GA! I saw a short clip from the 80’s of Mr Pat demonstrating the vaquero figure eight loop. I was wondering if you would show more detail on it and help me to learn it.. I’m left handed,if that matters and you also should know that I can “miss with the best of em” which I usually do!!
Thanks and Merry Christmas from middle GA!
Watching and learning from the Uk
Thank you. Well explained.
Thank you so much for passing your knowledge on. I look forward to every one of your videos please keep them coming. I live on Cape Cod now probably the Great White Shark capital of the US if not the world.
I'm from Baltimore - I guess you and I will have to stick with ropin' fish!
This will be the next job I do with my mare, thank you very much!
Just learning to rope. Uve helped me out a Lot
Thanks for the great vids! From Sabinal,Tx!
Hello Pat
Some of Monty Foreman's old videos might help people understand why humans and horses communicate in a symbiotic relationship. You are right there but Monty had a unique way of explaining the relationship and exhibiting it. Love your horsemanship! Old rider ; still hoping to be a Cowboy
Wait..did I read still hoping to be a cowboy? He sounds like one to me. Or was that a quote from Monty?
Words of gold⭐
I agree with everything you said . I branded with some guys last week that had rubber and no knowledge of sliding rope. They were big calves and tough on horses. Tailing them down without the header slipping rope is dang near impossible. From southern Idaho
What is the name of the video that shows the header laying the
calf down with the rope going from the head to the front feet. Thanks for the time you spend entertaining and educating us.
The only one I could find was The Art of the Bridle Horse promo. The header had a front foot trapped and Pat had roped the hind foot on the same side.
310 ranch life is the guy that lays them down with one horse
AL from Saticoy, CA
I learned a long time ago to always go easy working alone be direct but never hurried . Way fewer mishaps .
@debPucket can you post a video about roping of a green horse
Great video
I have a question. I thought a bridle horse with a spade bit being ridden, his head set should be constant? This horse is carrying his head pretty high. Should his head carriage be more collected?
Nope. That is a misconception brought about by the performance world. A horse in true collection extends her neck and poll up and forward and carries her head slightly in front of the vertical. If you’ll look at the old dressage horses, they have a more upright head carriage as well. The problem with the modern “head set” is that it actually dumps the horse’s weight onto the forehand instead of shifting it to the hindquarters as it should be. If you’ll study the anatomy of the spine of the horse, you’ll understand better about what happens when the horse is over flexed. I believe that this shift to the unnatural head carriage happened as quarter horses were bred to be downhill.
Makes sense to me
Great video! If I let my horn wrap get ridged up very much it burns my poly ropes up quickly. I would imagine that nylon would last longer with the ridges. What effect would it have on a reata? I noticed the guys using waxed cotton ropes have glazed over horn wraps from the wax melting and seems like the poly got along with the wax really well and the horn wrap doesn't ridge up the same way.
Pat has always gotten his ropes from King’s in Sheridan. He quit using poly ropes when they started putting those little flecks of metal in them. He has occasionally bought one of those hard twisted cotton ropes in Mexico but those ropes rag out so fast it isn’t hardly worth the effort. Plus the dallies don’t seem to hold as well and you really have to stack on the dailies which can be dangerous. We’re completely out of the loop with regard to the waxed cotton so we don’t have an opinion on that. So the nylon ropes we get from King’s seem to work for us given that we don’t have to deal with a lot of mud and bad weather.
A shorter horse is easier to mount and dismount too :) I think it depends more on the build, and of course, as you show here, proper technique.
Thank you for clearing up the sliding rope I was getting confused with pro rodeo sliding to ad to the loop. Darn team ropers might have to get rid of those friends😂😂. And I was also wondering what's your opinion on starting a five year old that's never been roped off of
Just to clarify, do you mean the 5 year old has been ridden but never roped off of?
Yes that's right
I'm doing that right now with my 5yr old mare. She just started pulling logs this weekend. Pat's videos are great so you can see how to be safe and fair to your horse.
I assume that's a nylon rope? If so, what lay is it? Thanks for the great videos!!!
Soft lay. We get ours from King Ropes in Sheridan WY.
Good man!
Caballo primero!! ❤️
How do I keep from getting rope burns on my hands when letting the rope slide. I prefer not to wear gloves. I think I need to develop a better feel with a softer touch.
Gerry Coleman don’t grip the rope... just guide it. I don’t like wearing gloves either.
TheFitz has it exactly right. You have to get comfortable allowing the rope to slide through your hands and guide the rope to the horn. If you’re burning your hands, you’re holding the rope too hard and trying to pull the calf to the horn. You can practice a couple of ways without live cattle. If you have a heavy log, you can practice while you’re dragging it backwards. If you have a good friend who doesn’t mind helping you (or children who you can bribe!), you can give him the end of your rope and have him walk away while you dally and stop him. Good luck!
@@thefitzoff3386 Thanks. I will practice this until it becomes muscle memory.
You bet! Oh and the “using a kid@ thing works really well! That’s how I got my kids to learn how to dally! 1 kid horseback and 1 kid trying to take the rope away! Lot of fun to watch and nobody gets hurt....generally.
What do you wrap your horn with?
Mulehide
What is that on your horn? When you slide rope rawhide?
bull ball nutsack