You have Lombardo, then you got Sandoval, then....You got MAX KOLESNE! Such an inspiration for me as a metal drummer, and one of the coolest dudes (ALL of Krisiun even FTM) in the whole scene.Hails Max!
That's why I think Max is one of the best drummers in the world. No triggers, no bullshit. Just mics and attitudes in studios and albuns. Real music performed by real people.
Had the honour of meeting Max and chatting with him! Shared the stage with him! He’s a great guy and one of the best drummers I’ve ever seen! Such a humble man and I hope to meet him again!
Love this guy he seems so warm and down to earth. Also u can tell just how passionate he is about his drumming and just music in general. Plus he has his own style of playing which is blatantly obvious and that is no small feat in the death metal world where most drummers sound the same
All is said... One of the best, and he prove it by his longivity. His "signature" blastbeats with triplet on bass drums and 16th on hands (and reverse when he's on a triplet feel blast) remembering the brazilian rythms, and the independance going with it. A true character, and we can hear it on his drumming. Respect.
Pete Sandoval and Max Kolesne are the symbol of death metal drums. Total respect to this guy. The Kolesne brothers are so friendly and humble. If there’s something in this world that someone should do before day is going to a Krisiun concert. There nothing heavier than it!
Max is insane. I saw them live on Monday with Nile. I could feel every beat on my chest. My ribcage felt like it was about to splatter on the floor haha. He's so hard hitting and fast. I was standing right infront the stage. The venue was so sweaty, you could see steam coming off Max haha
I got to meet him, and hangout. He's a super chill, and down to earth guy. I asked for a drum stick, and he gifted me with a heavily used, and beat to shit drum stick. It's now with my Paul Bostaph drum stick I got during the American Carnage Tour.
While the attitude and style don't match mine, I only have the utmost respect for it. I agree 100% with him on drum production nowadays. Play it real! \m/
Max Kolesne na minha opinião é um dos melhores bateristas do mundo ao lado do George Kollias do Nile, Pete Sandoval (ex-Morbid Angel, Terrorizer), Dave Lombardo (ex-Slayer), Igor Cavalera (ex-Sepultura, Cavalera Conspiracy), Derek Roddy (ex-Nile, ex-Hate Eternal), Dave Culross (ex-Malevolent Creation, Suffocation), Emil Dragutinovic (ex-Marduk) e entre outros.
Nossa Max você toca de um jeito ,que agente escuta e que sempre ouvir mais é um prazer enorme ter essa banda krisiun entre os meus gosto músicais apesar de não só seguir o metal ....😎😍❤💜☻🎶🎵🎼
Max "fucking amazing" Kolesne. One of the most tallented and humble persons that i've know. An inspiration and a huge musician. Thanks a lot for the lessons, bro.
honestly ive never been a fan of krisiun ive seen them twice- 98/99 with killer sound almost detonating actually it felt like he was kicking my stomach(i was up on the balcony)lol but after seeing this interview he gained my respect tenthfold his passion is admorable thanks i enjoyed this😈
hey n mac! I kinda felt a little similar thing. Although I did like a few songs Krisiun did over the years and although I already respected the fact that he developed an unique style I was totally impressed by his honest and humble attitude. Love that dude! thanks for watching and commenting my stuff! cheers/phil
problem is he's not exactly that often in a managable distance anymore. There's him, Ed Warby, Steve Flynn, Pete Sandoval and a bunch of other oldschool guys I would love to do an episode with. But it's always opportunity combined with luck that makes it reality. unfortunately these guys don't visit my place... at least not yet.... :-) well, except for Flo -- he was at my rehearsal place the other day
I mostly agree with Max about how metal drummers these days are pussying out and using replacements and ruining the 'attitude' or personality. Good message, however, I do love playing with triggers because it makes certain parts so 100x more awesome. I think jon longstreth is a good example of how to retain feel and use triggers. If you were to mic his kick, it wouldn't sound that much different after heavy compression and EQ because he the fucking master at doubles and has actual power in his fast strokes. I don't think Origin quantizes their albums though but he does play to a click all of the time so kind of the opposite of Max.
It sounds like they don't quantize. I doubt John really needs a click, but they don't and aren't able to rehearse and rehearse before they record; they hammer out the songs like weeks before and record each part separately, so it has to match. Live is where it's at with Origin, they kill.
Uh yeah, their 3rd album till now Max obviously used KICK DRUM triggers, and through the years the drum "samples" are used via the Tom's BUT...The man PLAYS the shit you hear, LIVE and in the STUDIO! BIG DIFFERENCE when comparing to ALOT of "extreme metal" drummers of today where EVERYTHING is so perfect and tight on studio, and then when/IF you see em live, you are in for major letdown. Lol. BIG difference.... Plus, Max and Krisiun DON'T USE a click track either... LoL..So ....
MINE too...Ugh. What a disappointment it was for me after Conquering. SMDH. And I was a HUGE fan before and up till that one till about their last couple. The 1st 3 cds will ALWAYS be their best!
@@jamescon55 Imagine if they re-recorded it though? The riffs and songs are great, so great that I've gotten past the production. Obviously Conqueror's owns quality wise, but at least Ageless is clear. I could only imagine Ageless with Assassination quality!
@@tchildres There are ALOTTA people that have said that but....? Lol. I still am just not a fan of the riffs/music on it. Yes, there are a couple ok things here n there, the instrumental is good but... Yeah, from Ageless and there on IS where they "lost me." I like the analog album during that time but EVERYTHING up till Southern Storm (which is okay) just sounded uninspired and bores the HELL outta me, personally. It isn't really MUCH different than "most" artists/bands. 1st couple-few releases are GREAT, then "most" the time, ALL the follow up stuff? Just sucks.... I mean look at Slayer,Morbid, etc. CAN'T seem to write ANYTHING listenable in their last 20 or MORE years ..... SMDH 😒 It's sad.....
@@jamescon55 Very true man for some bands their 1st albums are their best albums because they have their whole life to write them. Even if a Tadd of the earlier albums are sloppy they are still real and raw and great song writing well crafted songs. I do like the works of carnage album as well, But I know what you mean on the later albums. I like when they kept the fast vocals and not chopping the time in half to slower. I will still always support them
"Real" and "Fake" are merely relative concepts, completely subjective to any given individuals point of view. Well... Ok, so I understand the concern about drum programming, but what if your passionate about making extreme music, and you think you have great ideas for how the drums should be, yet you are primarily a guitarist and you don't have the ability to play them the way you imagine or you just don't have access to a drummer who plays the way you need? or worse yet, you're in a fucking wheelchair for some shitty reason? Should you only stick to hand drums and soft piano music(nothing wrong with that of course) even though you're consumed from deep within your wanton, withering soul by impossible sounding blast beat variations? And that brings me to another point; imagine the early days of drumming, I mean way early, a time when it was only hand drums and cave fires, and the people were fine with that. then, one fateful day, some ass hole comes along and starts hittin' shit with sticks! I bet there were a few die hards who dismissed this as "cheating" or "fake" or even downright lazy compared to just using your hands and fingers. "who need sticks?" they'd say,(in a yiddish accent for some reason) "if you can get enough volume with just the hands,(southern accent now) you ain't doin it right!" Where was the line drawn that separated which technologies ARE acceptable to use, from those that were NOT when it came to percussion? Then you have the kick pedal. Before those were invented(or accessible), people were literally kicking the drum, and that worked just fine, then suddenly(more southern accents) here come this fainsee-painsee new contraption that completely took all the work out of it. why is it even called a kick pedal? you're not kicking, you're tapping your toe. It's doing all the kicking for you and nowadays, many of these pedals are made with the assistance of computer programming(oh no! not computer programs!). If you want to be truly real about it, you'd make your own pedal by forging your own steel, engineering and fially assembling any other material you need to make one yourself, instead of just buying one from the store like a "pussy." Don't get me wrong, I LOVE KRISIUN! Their music inspires me on many levels. I sleep, eat, drink and even fuck my girlfriend to it constantly. It's just that... Max's attitude on some points is unfortunately narrow and predictable(unlike his playing), while inspiring and thought provoking on others(much like his playing). If I could get any point across these vast waters of judge-mental ignorance it would go like this: we must take a deeper look into all these conceited convictions that get thrown around by so many notable musicians, rather then just accepting(or rejecting) them so readily; simply because we may be a fan of someone does not mean they are always "right" or "wrong," but, then... again, notions of "right" and "wrong" are still only relatively subjective concepts unto themselves anymore(but duh, i'm sure you knew that already right?). Conceptually yours, -mr. wrong
First of all thanks for leaving such an elaborate comment, I really appretiate it!!! I do have to speak on Max' behalf though -- the point he wanted to make is not to damn new technologies at all, but their over-using when you're a drummer. It certainly distorts your original playing when everything is quantized to the max. Again, he is not against using it to make some corrections here and there. But let's say it a bit more hippy-style: music is what's not in the sheet-music, it's what happens between the MIDI notes. Computer drums don't breathe -- they're either I or O, even with a humanizer. If you're a guitarplayer then go & use 'em, nothin' wrong with that. But if you're a drummer then learn to be proud of what you did or learn more. Otherwise you shouldn't have gone to a studio in the first place but to your rehearsal room to practice. It's the same with CGI -- it's great when you use it with care and combine it with analogue techniques. But just Episode I? Boooooring :-)
I'm glad you liked it, I had a lot of fun writing it. You make compelling points. Where I stand though, and always will, is: its ok to do whatever it takes in the studio to get the sound you want just as long as you're able to re create it live. Making your imagination come to life is amazing no matter the means. In the end, its all just personal preference and the first person you should try to impress is yourself. if you can do that, other peoples words mean about as much as a bark from a dog. anyway, i'll think more on this(ha! I said "moron") as we all should, and in the mean time, keeping it brutal on all fronts.
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You have Lombardo, then you got Sandoval, then....You got MAX KOLESNE! Such an inspiration for me as a metal drummer, and one of the coolest dudes (ALL of Krisiun even FTM) in the whole scene.Hails Max!
yeah man, Max is an awesome dude to hang out with! love that guy
That's why I think Max is one of the best drummers in the world. No triggers, no bullshit. Just mics and attitudes in studios and albuns. Real music performed by real people.
Had the honour of meeting Max and chatting with him! Shared the stage with him! He’s a great guy and one of the best drummers I’ve ever seen! Such a humble man and I hope to meet him again!
Love this guy he seems so warm and down to earth. Also u can tell just how passionate he is about his drumming and just music in general. Plus he has his own style of playing which is blatantly obvious and that is no small feat in the death metal world where most drummers sound the same
I love this band . Saw them live and they kicked ass and met all 3 brothers and they are very good hard working people . Very good guys . Hail Krisiun
KRISIUN do Brasil. \m/
Your beautiful
blast beats from Hell
All is said...
One of the best, and he prove it by his longivity.
His "signature" blastbeats with triplet on bass drums and 16th on hands (and reverse when he's on a triplet feel blast) remembering the brazilian rythms, and the independance going with it.
A true character, and we can hear it on his drumming.
Respect.
"...Don't fucking kill the fucking music"@12:08 well said
I love this guy. 3:41 "..some bands...they have so many cables, and triggers and samples and shit...what the FUCK man?! I just wanna play the drums!"
trigger ele usa, lógico, mas realmente o cara neo tem coisa loucona no kit não
amazing interview. Noone is like Max. hes #1
Max é foda demais,maquina de batuque humana.
fantastic drummer, completely on point with everything that he said. "Perfect is fucked up" well said Max!
Pete Sandoval and Max Kolesne are the symbol of death metal drums. Total respect to this guy. The Kolesne brothers are so friendly and humble. If there’s something in this world that someone should do before day is going to a Krisiun concert. There nothing heavier than it!
Max is insane. I saw them live on Monday with Nile. I could feel every beat on my chest. My ribcage felt like it was about to splatter on the floor haha. He's so hard hitting and fast. I was standing right infront the stage. The venue was so sweaty, you could see steam coming off Max haha
Awesome interview. Max YOU RULE!!!!!!!
Max is amazing. Krisiun is so great live. The closer you watch them, the more you appreciate how the approach their music.
THE GIANT MAX KOLESNE!
A sick drummer and keep blasting and be real Max!! 🤘🥁
Um verdadeiro monstro na bateria. Krisiun merece o título de melhor banda de metal do Brasil!!!!!
I got to meet him, and hangout. He's a super chill, and down to earth guy. I asked for a drum stick, and he gifted me with a heavily used, and beat to shit drum stick. It's now with my Paul Bostaph drum stick I got during the American Carnage Tour.
I don´t share his viewpoints on many things but I have mad respect for him, he is not just a drummer, he is an artist
So much respect. Krisiun orgulho do Brasil.
While the attitude and style don't match mine, I only have the utmost respect for it. I agree 100% with him on drum production nowadays. Play it real! \m/
he has one of the most admirable one handed blasts. so perfect
What an inspiration ,gday from Melbourne,Australia.
Max Kolesne na minha opinião é um dos melhores bateristas do mundo ao lado do George Kollias do Nile, Pete Sandoval (ex-Morbid Angel, Terrorizer), Dave Lombardo (ex-Slayer), Igor Cavalera (ex-Sepultura, Cavalera Conspiracy), Derek Roddy (ex-Nile, ex-Hate Eternal), Dave Culross (ex-Malevolent Creation, Suffocation), Emil Dragutinovic (ex-Marduk) e entre outros.
De metal...
Gosto da maioria destes aí, mas o meu preferido é John Longstreth.
Carlos Augusto Scalassara Prando eu adicionaria Chris Adler nessa!
Adriano Wotan bom gosto!
Tony Laureano on In the darkened shrines ( and Internecine album with Roddy), man ! A true lesson
Eloy também é um dos melhores.
I love that man! Great drummer!
brazil always hits fucking hard man!
Nossa Max você toca de um jeito ,que agente escuta e que sempre ouvir mais é um prazer enorme ter essa banda krisiun entre os meus gosto músicais apesar de não só seguir o metal ....😎😍❤💜☻🎶🎵🎼
How come I missed this episode, damn
hail krisiun greetings from NYC queens have mostly all the vinyls and shirts great guys 👍👍👍🤘🤘🍺🍺
Dane-se o metronomo! Sensacional!
Como praticar faz a diferença! Que massa!
such a great personality
No comment, that's so perfect!!!! We love you Max & Krisiun ;-)
Man what an inspiration. The real fucking deal!!
sempre Krisiun
i love this humbly style, really bro, woooooow , make you great personality, cool bro, God bless KOLESNES
Max "fucking amazing" Kolesne. One of the most tallented and humble persons that i've know. An inspiration and a huge musician. Thanks a lot for the lessons, bro.
awesome channel, thx dude
honestly ive never been a fan of krisiun ive seen them twice- 98/99 with killer sound almost detonating actually it felt like he was kicking my stomach(i was up on the balcony)lol but after seeing this interview he gained my respect tenthfold his passion is admorable thanks i enjoyed this😈
hey n mac!
I kinda felt a little similar thing. Although I did like a few songs Krisiun did over the years and although I already respected the fact that he developed an unique style I was totally impressed by his honest and humble attitude. Love that dude!
thanks for watching and commenting my stuff!
cheers/phil
The best and humble!
A national pride. :-)
This guy make mei cry...well said man from india...
The true sound of metal! krisiun is original sound of death metal!!!
Esse maluco é um animall. Krisiun BRRRRRRRRRRRR 12:54
love you brother!!!❤
HELL YEAH!
nick barker should be a goal for an interview i know he has anxiety but his fanbase is as big as him
problem is he's not exactly that often in a managable distance anymore. There's him, Ed Warby, Steve Flynn, Pete Sandoval and a bunch of other oldschool guys I would love to do an episode with. But it's always opportunity combined with luck that makes it reality. unfortunately these guys don't visit my place... at least not yet.... :-)
well, except for Flo -- he was at my rehearsal place the other day
drumtalk nice!flos a mentor if mine
Awesome. Max said right. Fuck the technological bullshit. Hails to the simple, real, rough, rugged and raw. Long Live Krisiun.
I mostly agree with Max about how metal drummers these days are pussying out and using replacements and ruining the 'attitude' or personality. Good message, however, I do love playing with triggers because it makes certain parts so 100x more awesome. I think jon longstreth is a good example of how to retain feel and use triggers. If you were to mic his kick, it wouldn't sound that much different after heavy compression and EQ because he the fucking master at doubles and has actual power in his fast strokes. I don't think Origin quantizes their albums though but he does play to a click all of the time so kind of the opposite of Max.
It sounds like they don't quantize. I doubt John really needs a click, but they don't and aren't able to rehearse and rehearse before they record; they hammer out the songs like weeks before and record each part separately, so it has to match. Live is where it's at with Origin, they kill.
5:00 and that explains Krisiun
Ele vai ensinar como fazer a mesma batida o disco inteiro
Actually he is using triggers.
"they have so many cables, and triggers..." hahaa, o negócio é MADEIRA MEU IRMÃO hahah!
Uh yeah, their 3rd album till now Max obviously used KICK DRUM triggers, and through the years the drum "samples" are used via the Tom's BUT...The man PLAYS the shit you hear, LIVE and in the STUDIO! BIG DIFFERENCE when comparing to ALOT of "extreme metal" drummers of today where EVERYTHING is so perfect and tight on studio, and then when/IF you see em live, you are in for major letdown. Lol. BIG difference.... Plus, Max and Krisiun DON'T USE a click track either... LoL..So ....
No trigger?...
he sounds like igor cavalera
hij slaat de spijker op zijn kop. keep fucking suport metal.
I'd say Ageless Venomous is his least favorite album. Great interview.
MINE too...Ugh. What a disappointment it was for me after Conquering. SMDH. And I was a HUGE fan before and up till that one till about their last couple. The 1st 3 cds will ALWAYS be their best!
@@jamescon55 Imagine if they re-recorded it though? The riffs and songs are great, so great that I've gotten past the production. Obviously Conqueror's owns quality wise, but at least Ageless is clear. I could only imagine Ageless with Assassination quality!
@@tchildres There are ALOTTA people that have said that but....? Lol. I still am just not a fan of the riffs/music on it. Yes, there are a couple ok things here n there, the instrumental is good but... Yeah, from Ageless and there on IS where they "lost me." I like the analog album during that time but EVERYTHING up till Southern Storm (which is okay) just sounded uninspired and bores the HELL outta me, personally. It isn't really MUCH different than "most" artists/bands. 1st couple-few releases are GREAT, then "most" the time, ALL the follow up stuff? Just sucks.... I mean look at Slayer,Morbid, etc. CAN'T seem to write ANYTHING listenable in their last 20 or MORE years ..... SMDH 😒 It's sad.....
@@jamescon55 Very true man for some bands their 1st albums are their best albums because they have their whole life to write them. Even if a Tadd of the earlier albums are sloppy they are still real and raw and great song writing well crafted songs. I do like the works of carnage album as well, But I know what you mean on the later albums. I like when they kept the fast vocals and not chopping the time in half to slower. I will still always support them
I love this dude, but anyone else confused how he talks about not sounding like a machine, yet his drums sound completely flat and triggered?
"Real" and "Fake" are merely relative concepts, completely subjective to any given individuals point of view.
Well... Ok, so I understand the concern about drum programming, but what if your passionate about making extreme music, and you think you have great ideas for how the drums should be, yet you are primarily a guitarist and you don't have the ability to play them the way you imagine or you just don't have access to a drummer who plays the way you need? or worse yet, you're in a fucking wheelchair for some shitty reason? Should you only stick to hand drums and soft piano music(nothing wrong with that of course) even though you're consumed from deep within your wanton, withering soul by impossible sounding blast beat variations?
And that brings me to another point; imagine the early days of drumming, I mean way early, a time when it was only hand drums and cave fires, and the people were fine with that. then, one fateful day, some ass hole comes along and starts hittin' shit with sticks! I bet there were a few die hards who dismissed this as "cheating" or "fake" or even downright lazy compared to just using your hands and fingers. "who need sticks?" they'd say,(in a yiddish accent for some reason) "if you can get enough volume with just the hands,(southern accent now) you ain't doin it right!"
Where was the line drawn that separated which technologies ARE acceptable to use, from those that were NOT when it came to percussion?
Then you have the kick pedal.
Before those were invented(or accessible), people were literally kicking the drum, and that worked just fine, then suddenly(more southern accents) here come this fainsee-painsee new contraption that completely took all the work out of it. why is it even called a kick pedal? you're not kicking, you're tapping your toe. It's doing all the kicking for you and nowadays, many of these pedals are made with the assistance of computer programming(oh no! not computer programs!).
If you want to be truly real about it, you'd make your own pedal by forging your own steel, engineering and fially assembling any other material you need to make one yourself, instead of just buying one from the store like a "pussy."
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE KRISIUN! Their music inspires me on many levels. I sleep, eat, drink and even fuck my girlfriend to it constantly.
It's just that...
Max's attitude on some points is unfortunately narrow and predictable(unlike his playing), while inspiring and thought provoking on others(much like his playing).
If I could get any point across these vast waters of judge-mental ignorance it would go like this: we must take a deeper look into all these conceited convictions that get thrown around by so many notable musicians, rather then just accepting(or rejecting) them so readily; simply because we may be a fan of someone does not mean they are always "right" or "wrong," but, then... again, notions of "right" and "wrong" are still only relatively subjective concepts unto themselves anymore(but duh, i'm sure you knew that already right?).
Conceptually yours,
-mr. wrong
First of all thanks for leaving such an elaborate comment, I really appretiate it!!!
I do have to speak on Max' behalf though -- the point he wanted to make is not to damn new technologies at all, but their over-using when you're a drummer. It certainly distorts your original playing when everything is quantized to the max. Again, he is not against using it to make some corrections here and there.
But let's say it a bit more hippy-style: music is what's not in the sheet-music, it's what happens between the MIDI notes. Computer drums don't breathe -- they're either I or O, even with a humanizer. If you're a guitarplayer then go & use 'em, nothin' wrong with that. But if you're a drummer then learn to be proud of what you did or learn more. Otherwise you shouldn't have gone to a studio in the first place but to your rehearsal room to practice.
It's the same with CGI -- it's great when you use it with care and combine it with analogue techniques. But just Episode I? Boooooring :-)
I'm glad you liked it, I had a lot of fun writing it. You make compelling points. Where I stand though, and always will, is: its ok to do whatever it takes in the studio to get the sound you want just as long as you're able to re create it live. Making your imagination come to life is amazing no matter the means. In the end, its all just personal preference and the first person you should try to impress is yourself. if you can do that, other peoples words mean about as much as a bark from a dog. anyway, i'll think more on this(ha! I said "moron") as we all should, and in the mean time, keeping it brutal on all fronts.