I think the fake old makeup is because he doesn't actually know how those ppl would look like when they're older but he's imagining it to the best of his abilities.
Whether intentional or not, I still just love the fact that they’re both named Jess(i)e in real life. He gives away the “twist” before the movie even starts
Another thing I noticed is that Jake seems to have a superiority complex. Especially during the dinner scene. Always correcting everyone and getting frustrated when they don't understand. Maybe he feels like he is so much smarter than the people around him, but in reality he never got to do anything with that intelligence or he is overestimating how smart he is. I have seen a lot of people also interpret the movie as Jake having a mental illness. It's been a couple days since I've seen this film and I am still talking and thinking about it. That is what amazing movies do.
Theory that the janitor was suffering from rabies and this heightened sense of smell was a symptom. Along with the arm rash and the tinnitus and loss of sleep and delusional thoughts.
Do you guys notice each time Lucy is about to say "I'm thinking of ending things" out loud to Jake instead of internally, he goes "ta da!" or "here we are!" and he says his parents are coming down the stairs, or the Tulsey Town appears, or the high school suddenly pops up. Movie is a fucking trip, man. Straight up loved it.
I noticed that too! As if he couldn't bear to actually *hear* her say the words (because then he'd be forced to face it), so instead, he interrupted her before she could complete the thought.
YES. I had the same thoughts literally yesterday. I think Jake was actually trying to stall time and steer his thoughts away from suicide. cuz after his girlfriend goes home, she's gonna break up with him, which means that jake the janitor is gonna killing himself
I don’t think he was necessarily a mediocre man. I think he projected that self image because he was extremely depressed and suicidal. Her calling him creepy is still his own projection. All signs of negative harmful thoughts we all have sometimes. He had a knack for movies and books, all he wanted was someone to talk to and share a life with.
i can't say for sure about the movie but in the book jake was pursuing a PhD in science before he quit and became a janitor so yeah he was actually very smart. he just couldn't handle socializing with people.
I picked up a lot of this on my second viewing. Personally, the prospect of waking up one day realizing you're a high school janitor with nothing original to offer fucking terrifies me. Seriously, I've had almost this exact worst-case scenario in my mind before. So once it all clicked, this became one of the scariest and most resonant movies I've ever seen.
Another key reference is Woodsworth's "Ode to Immortality..." giving that is basically an Ode to childhood (romantic poets like Woodsworth thought of childhood as a superior mind state than adulthood) and to the immortality of the poet, who the romantics thought as someone with innate talent that never loosed that connection with God children have and loose when growing up.
I'm also wanna bring that.. The two person on the car was the symbolism of one person spliting his inner self, Jake is inner conscious of himself try to recollect all of his memories try to bring the good things they might found, so he took on a road trip visiting 3 destination (his parent affection,his favourite childhood food, and finally his job) and young woman represent a self that except the reality, she know the trip is useless, and she's wanna ending this memory every way possible, by asking Jake multiple times to leave and go back to town, (everytime she try to think about ending things, Jake immedietly cut her) But at the end, the Jake person didn't find any good on his memories, so he begin to not hear the young woman self of himself, and he decide to ending things
Yes! This is great thanks! I would add as well that the hypothermia is depicted in the fact that he strips then hallucinates. When one dies from hypothermia it is reported that they will start to feel extremely hot and claustrophobic. usually they will take their clothes off, as well as say irrelevant things, and converse with people who are not there.
i was entertained throughout the movie though i can understand why some hate it. i caught on to some themes while watching but not fully, i tried to just go along for the ride and figure it out more later which i'd recommend for everyone bc i would've been too stressed trying to understand it clearly throughout. and the themes of feeling unoriginal hit close to home- i always feel like i'm just repeating stuff i read online because i can't come up with better thoughts myself. some very interesting ideas used i don't really see enough. i'm still a bit confused and it was admittedly sooorta pretentious but i think it's gonna sit with me for a good while. and thanks for this analysis!! needed it
Wow... The moment at the table where the illusion breaks... Good point! I just got that! I don't think that Jake is presented as mediocre in the film. I think he's supposed to have been a relatively gifted child and that it's his inability to connect with people/social dysfunction that led to all these wasted potential and life of regret.
Well now the movie makes way more sense. I also went to the first viewing thinking that Jessie Buckley was the main character and didn't understand a thing. Definitely going to give it a second watch
I too focused too much on Jessie Buckley. She’s a great character, but once you realize that we are traveling through the subconscious of Jake then things start to make more sense. You really have to examine every part of jakes life his house, parents, hobbies, etc. All of these things aren’t as literal or easy to find. I also like how you brought up that he’s not an original person with a lot of original ideas. A lot of the dialogue that is said by Buckley and Jake especially feels contrived not like they pondered it off as free thought.
Finally got around to watching this film, and immediately knew that I want to watch your analysis on it! You two provided some really insightful commentary that makes we want to go back and rewatch this film (which I liked but didn't initially love). One tidbit I'll add is the importance of which song from "Oklahoma!" that Jake sings at the end. It's called "Lonely Room" and is sung by the antagonist of the show (Jud) who is an isolated, brooding ne'er-do-well. The song comes right after the handsome, well-liked protagonist (Curly) tells Jud that people would realize how much they care about & appreciate him if he just killed himself. Seems like a pretty clear reflection of Jake's mental state and decision-making in the films closing minutes.
Great interpretation of the movie one small thing that I wanted to add was that at the end scene when the janitor is in the car I think he makes the decision not to continue or “end things” by turning off the engine. Because he turned off the car engine he started to experience extreme hypothermia, which causes the brain to be in a encephalopathic or confused and disoriented State. The brain then feels as though it is fact burning up or extremely hot ( rather than cold) and so that is why he is removing his clothes.
Good analysis, I differ a little bit but we’re basically on the same page in terms of what it means Would I be crazy if I watched this a third time already?
I just found your channel a few days ago and love it already I love seeing more young people get into film criticism, you and the Oscar expert and brother bro needa team up
Something that I kept me thinking is that Jake corrects two times Jessie Buckley about stuff she said about homosexuality. Maybe he had cuestioned himself about his sexuality, or maybe that could mean the way he thinks his parents saw him for not having girls in his life. I remember that in some point in the house their parents are talking or something and the father says he thought Jake was gay.
The cause of Jake's feelings of loneliness and inadequacy was different in the book (where an underlying mental illness was heavily implied); whereas in the movie, it was a growing self-hatred that started in childhood, like you said. Great analysis!
Do you think it has any Oscar potential? I don’t think it’ll be a contender in any category except cinematography. Depends if Netflix campaigns it, obviously, but the cinematographer has been nominated before and it is an exceptionally good looking film. Might be a Lighthouse type film that only gets one nomination in cinematography. Cause let’s face it, even though it’s an amazing film, it’s too inaccessible for any Oscar love... even though it deserves it.
As a medical professional, I immediately began seeing this movie as the perspective from the janitor’s imagination... in the event that he was suffering from rabies as a result of the pig. Knowing the signs and symptoms of rabies that occur and the timeline of these events happening was very key in this. You’ll pick up throughout the entire film the various signs “they” (the janitor) are/is experiencing (i.e. tinnitus, delusion, hysteria, loss of sleep, heightened senses such as taste, etc etc). I’ve looked anywhere I could to see if anyone else had this interpretation from the film and would love to find others that see this as the underlying plot as well. It becomes more of a film of a person suffering from rabies without treatment and how you’re essentially doomed without vaccination, but mixed with a suicide trope.
I think this is a really interesting thought... I don’t know if you can contact rabies from eating rotten meat, but I did notice at the dinner scene they were ‘eating’ ham- which was most likely the rotten pig
Excelent analysis. I wrote what I thought about the movie, then I realized I was just repeating everything you both said with my own words, which is basically what ITOET says we do. But I do disagree that "the film seems to be an admission that theres'no originality in the first place". I mean, we consume art, recycle and reuse it with our own perspective. I believe Charlie makes his point in Adaptation when he says "You are what you love, not what loves you." He tries to adapt a book about flowers, staying true to himself, only to give in in the second half, using the hollywood conventions to write a great ending. So even if you're not 100% original, there's still a significant part of you in the work that you produce.
Great analysis! I’d love to hear more about how the scenes in the house factor into the greater themes. I see the parents as depictions of time passing through us, not the other way around like Jessie Buckley’s character said. But I would love to see more about them and their connections to the janitor’s arc
@@nabil731 What I mean is that Synechdoche New York isn't as vague as I'm Thinking of Ending Things. There is always people like you who thought you were special, perhaps you are the one who didn't understand Kaufman films
@@LeniSuppKinuyog509 ah so that's what you mean. I would say Synecdoche, New York is more vague than I'm Thinking of Ending Things Also, i never said that i'm 'special'. I don't even have a problem with people who hate this movie. I just simply disagree with your comment that said "Kaufman used to explain films" because he never did and never will
Did anyone notice the janitors arms were not in his sleeves when he was talking to “Lucy” at one point, they were inside his shirt, you can see his hands move on his stomach. What do you think this means? Drives me crazy.
I looked into this lol. I think the arms are in the sleeves, you can see him do a shrug and catch a glimpse of his wrist. I also saw what looks like fingers on his stomach but I think that's just the wrinkles of his shirt moving around.
I think that movies must be emotional and not feel like math problems. I movie can be both like Inception. This one is just like a math problem. Good things that is on Netflix so I could watch it in 3 parts... It feels so long. I do think that is pretentious and very self-indugent. It is full of holes even with all the explanations, but yeah, since this is his head, you can explain everything to yourself, such an easy exit... It will be remembered in "Film Twitter", quickly forgotten in the real world, so no real relevance....
I was annoyed that they barely touched their ice cream. Probably because my best friend actually does the same thing. She will get a huge blizzard or shake and eat like a 4th of it, but never bothers to get a smaller size. Such a waste 😩
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I think the fake old makeup is because he doesn't actually know how those ppl would look like when they're older but he's imagining it to the best of his abilities.
And that's how stage make-up for elderly people looks, especially lower budget productions, like a high school play.
how come even Toni had stage make-up when we already saw her actually look old then tho
Whether intentional or not, I still just love the fact that they’re both named Jess(i)e in real life. He gives away the “twist” before the movie even starts
holy shit i never thought of this
Another thing I noticed is that Jake seems to have a superiority complex. Especially during the dinner scene. Always correcting everyone and getting frustrated when they don't understand. Maybe he feels like he is so much smarter than the people around him, but in reality he never got to do anything with that intelligence or he is overestimating how smart he is. I have seen a lot of people also interpret the movie as Jake having a mental illness. It's been a couple days since I've seen this film and I am still talking and thinking about it. That is what amazing movies do.
One thing I'm curious about is that girl at the ice cream place and when she said "that's not varnish"
Theory that the janitor was suffering from rabies and this heightened sense of smell was a symptom. Along with the arm rash and the tinnitus and loss of sleep and delusional thoughts.
Do you guys notice each time Lucy is about to say "I'm thinking of ending things" out loud to Jake instead of internally, he goes "ta da!" or "here we are!" and he says his parents are coming down the stairs, or the Tulsey Town appears, or the high school suddenly pops up. Movie is a fucking trip, man. Straight up loved it.
I noticed that too! As if he couldn't bear to actually *hear* her say the words (because then he'd be forced to face it), so instead, he interrupted her before she could complete the thought.
YES. I had the same thoughts literally yesterday. I think Jake was actually trying to stall time and steer his thoughts away from suicide. cuz after his girlfriend goes home, she's gonna break up with him, which means that jake the janitor is gonna killing himself
I don’t think he was necessarily a mediocre man. I think he projected that self image because he was extremely depressed and suicidal. Her calling him creepy is still his own projection. All signs of negative harmful thoughts we all have sometimes.
He had a knack for movies and books, all he wanted was someone to talk to and share a life with.
i can't say for sure about the movie but in the book jake was pursuing a PhD in science before he quit and became a janitor so yeah he was actually very smart. he just couldn't handle socializing with people.
in the movie his mom said something alone the lines of jake was just a boy with no special talent or ability multiple times
@@spooki6637 He quit cause he was mediocre, not be able to socialize and not trying to work in that is mediocre.
I picked up a lot of this on my second viewing. Personally, the prospect of waking up one day realizing you're a high school janitor with nothing original to offer fucking terrifies me. Seriously, I've had almost this exact worst-case scenario in my mind before. So once it all clicked, this became one of the scariest and most resonant movies I've ever seen.
Thanks guys, this analysis definitely helped me understand the movie better.
Another key reference is Woodsworth's "Ode to Immortality..." giving that is basically an Ode to childhood (romantic poets like Woodsworth thought of childhood as a superior mind state than adulthood) and to the immortality of the poet, who the romantics thought as someone with innate talent that never loosed that connection with God children have and loose when growing up.
I'm also wanna bring that..
The two person on the car was the symbolism of one person spliting his inner self, Jake is inner conscious of himself try to recollect all of his memories try to bring the good things they might found, so he took on a road trip visiting 3 destination (his parent affection,his favourite childhood food, and finally his job) and young woman represent a self that except the reality, she know the trip is useless, and she's wanna ending this memory every way possible, by asking Jake multiple times to leave and go back to town, (everytime she try to think about ending things, Jake immedietly cut her)
But at the end, the Jake person didn't find any good on his memories, so he begin to not hear the young woman self of himself, and he decide to ending things
Great analysis!
Favorite Movie of the year so far! Love this movie
Yes! This is great thanks! I would add as well that the hypothermia is depicted in the fact that he strips then hallucinates. When one dies from hypothermia it is reported that they will start to feel extremely hot and claustrophobic. usually they will take their clothes off, as well as say irrelevant things, and converse with people who are not there.
“Good evening”
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It's evening somewhere and we can't forget those people
You’re right, it would frankly be insensitive to say good morning.
The Oscar Expert, damn you right
i was entertained throughout the movie though i can understand why some hate it. i caught on to some themes while watching but not fully, i tried to just go along for the ride and figure it out more later which i'd recommend for everyone bc i would've been too stressed trying to understand it clearly throughout. and the themes of feeling unoriginal hit close to home- i always feel like i'm just repeating stuff i read online because i can't come up with better thoughts myself. some very interesting ideas used i don't really see enough. i'm still a bit confused and it was admittedly sooorta pretentious but i think it's gonna sit with me for a good while. and thanks for this analysis!! needed it
Wow... The moment at the table where the illusion breaks... Good point! I just got that!
I don't think that Jake is presented as mediocre in the film. I think he's supposed to have been a relatively gifted child and that it's his inability to connect with people/social dysfunction that led to all these wasted potential and life of regret.
Well now the movie makes way more sense. I also went to the first viewing thinking that Jessie Buckley was the main character and didn't understand a thing. Definitely going to give it a second watch
I thought I was the only one and thought the movie was garbage but it was an extremely clever movie to present the janitor's fantasy.
I too focused too much on Jessie Buckley. She’s a great character, but once you realize that we are traveling through the subconscious of Jake then things start to make more sense. You really have to examine every part of jakes life his house, parents, hobbies, etc. All of these things aren’t as literal or easy to find. I also like how you brought up that he’s not an original person with a lot of original ideas. A lot of the dialogue that is said by Buckley and Jake especially feels contrived not like they pondered it off as free thought.
Finally got around to watching this film, and immediately knew that I want to watch your analysis on it! You two provided some really insightful commentary that makes we want to go back and rewatch this film (which I liked but didn't initially love).
One tidbit I'll add is the importance of which song from "Oklahoma!" that Jake sings at the end. It's called "Lonely Room" and is sung by the antagonist of the show (Jud) who is an isolated, brooding ne'er-do-well. The song comes right after the handsome, well-liked protagonist (Curly) tells Jud that people would realize how much they care about & appreciate him if he just killed himself. Seems like a pretty clear reflection of Jake's mental state and decision-making in the films closing minutes.
Great interpretation of the movie one small thing that I wanted to add was that at the end scene when the janitor is in the car I think he makes the decision not to continue or “end things” by turning off the engine.
Because he turned off the car engine he started to experience extreme hypothermia, which causes the brain to be in a encephalopathic or confused and disoriented State. The brain then feels as though it is fact burning up or extremely hot ( rather than cold) and so that is why he is removing his clothes.
Good analysis, I differ a little bit but we’re basically on the same page in terms of what it means
Would I be crazy if I watched this a third time already?
I just found your channel a few days ago and love it already
I love seeing more young people get into film criticism, you and the Oscar expert and brother bro needa team up
Something that I kept me thinking is that Jake corrects two times Jessie Buckley about stuff she said about homosexuality. Maybe he had cuestioned himself about his sexuality, or maybe that could mean the way he thinks his parents saw him for not having girls in his life. I remember that in some point in the house their parents are talking or something and the father says he thought Jake was gay.
The cause of Jake's feelings of loneliness and inadequacy was different in the book (where an underlying mental illness was heavily implied); whereas in the movie, it was a growing self-hatred that started in childhood, like you said. Great analysis!
Do you think it has any Oscar potential? I don’t think it’ll be a contender in any category except cinematography. Depends if Netflix campaigns it, obviously, but the cinematographer has been nominated before and it is an exceptionally good looking film. Might be a Lighthouse type film that only gets one nomination in cinematography. Cause let’s face it, even though it’s an amazing film, it’s too inaccessible for any Oscar love... even though it deserves it.
I think it has none. The date of release kinda tells that Netflix isn't gonna focus on this one.
@@ErickGarcia-qs2yh they've already said in the first review that they don't see nominations in any category. too weird for the Oscars
I can see adapted screenplay maybeeee
As a medical professional, I immediately began seeing this movie as the perspective from the janitor’s imagination... in the event that he was suffering from rabies as a result of the pig. Knowing the signs and symptoms of rabies that occur and the timeline of these events happening was very key in this. You’ll pick up throughout the entire film the various signs “they” (the janitor) are/is experiencing (i.e. tinnitus, delusion, hysteria, loss of sleep, heightened senses such as taste, etc etc). I’ve looked anywhere I could to see if anyone else had this interpretation from the film and would love to find others that see this as the underlying plot as well. It becomes more of a film of a person suffering from rabies without treatment and how you’re essentially doomed without vaccination, but mixed with a suicide trope.
I think this is a really interesting thought... I don’t know if you can contact rabies from eating rotten meat, but I did notice at the dinner scene they were ‘eating’ ham- which was most likely the rotten pig
Your interpretation to the film is the most convincing logical so far 👌
Great analysis, helped me draw my own conclusions on where this stands in Kaufman’s filmography.
Excelent analysis. I wrote what I thought about the movie, then I realized I was just repeating everything you both said with my own words, which is basically what ITOET says we do.
But I do disagree that "the film seems to be an admission that theres'no originality in the first place". I mean, we consume art, recycle and reuse it with our own perspective. I believe Charlie makes his point in Adaptation when he says "You are what you love, not what loves you." He tries to adapt a book about flowers, staying true to himself, only to give in in the second half, using the hollywood conventions to write a great ending. So even if you're not 100% original, there's still a significant part of you in the work that you produce.
WHERE’S THE DOG
dog is dead. but time is moving past so we get a memory with the dog alive then we get one with the dog dead
Great analysis! I’d love to hear more about how the scenes in the house factor into the greater themes. I see the parents as depictions of time passing through us, not the other way around like Jessie Buckley’s character said. But I would love to see more about them and their connections to the janitor’s arc
Please do the detailed analysis of the apartment 1960.......yours analysis is great
i am really going to wait for your analysis
Evening lads
tbh i though the janitor was her boyfriend in the future the whole movie until he appeared in the last part and i was like what
it was jake.
@@paulelroy6650 i know i mean that i though the janitor was in the Future
just wondering if anyone else thinks the final shot of the snow-covered vehicle looks amore like a car as opposed to a truck???
not only that, but little aside: Jesse and Jessie (with an "i")
This film was a bit similar to Tenet. Kaufman and Nolan used to explain films, but now it is just pure mystery to me.
Did Kaufman ever explain Synecdoche, New York?
@@nabil731 I mean it was explained in the film
@@LeniSuppKinuyog509 did synecdoche, new york explain itself in the movie? Like did the movie explain who ellen is?
@@nabil731 What I mean is that Synechdoche New York isn't as vague as I'm Thinking of Ending Things. There is always people like you who thought you were special, perhaps you are the one who didn't understand Kaufman films
@@LeniSuppKinuyog509 ah so that's what you mean. I would say Synecdoche, New York is more vague than I'm Thinking of Ending Things
Also, i never said that i'm 'special'. I don't even have a problem with people who hate this movie. I just simply disagree with your comment that said "Kaufman used to explain films" because he never did and never will
Did anyone notice the janitors arms were not in his sleeves when he was talking to “Lucy” at one point, they were inside his shirt, you can see his hands move on his stomach. What do you think this means? Drives me crazy.
I looked into this lol. I think the arms are in the sleeves, you can see him do a shrug and catch a glimpse of his wrist. I also saw what looks like fingers on his stomach but I think that's just the wrinkles of his shirt moving around.
Keep posting guys
If anyone had told me that Jessy Buckley represented hope it could have solved a lot of problems
I hope... I don-t know... I don-t really care at this point if they receive any nominations, it was a great film anyways
where's the dog :(
On the shelves in Jake's room, there is an urn with a picture of the dog.
gary mcleod i meant the oscar expert and brother bro’s dog hahaha
@@paulinesauz7044 Oh! I remember now. The puppy with the chew toys. Forgive me.
The movie your describing sounds amazing. Unfortunately thats not the movie i just watched 🤣
Can you guys talk about which 2019 best pictures noms would not have qualified with the new diversity standards for 2024? Could be interesting
they didn’t mention the funniest part of the movie
I think that movies must be emotional and not feel like math problems. I movie can be both like Inception. This one is just like a math problem. Good things that is on Netflix so I could watch it in 3 parts... It feels so long. I do think that is pretentious and very self-indugent. It is full of holes even with all the explanations, but yeah, since this is his head, you can explain everything to yourself, such an easy exit... It will be remembered in "Film Twitter", quickly forgotten in the real world, so no real relevance....
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How are you NOT twins wtf
We are twins 👯♂️
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I was annoyed that they barely touched their ice cream. Probably because my best friend actually does the same thing. She will get a huge blizzard or shake and eat like a 4th of it, but never bothers to get a smaller size. Such a waste 😩