Was gonna say he actually contributed to the convo and asks some good questions throughout. I see a massive amount of shit thrown at him on the Destiny subreddit and stuff, I take it this is not normal behavior for him?
Agreed. I really liked Q in this discussion, it was actually insightful. His rage and craziness just gets so boring so quickly. If he could stay a little more serious, i actually could enjoy his stuff
genuinely think destiny's (mostly) good faith attitude is rubbing off on Q somewhat. Maybe Q was always capable, but needed some encouragement to get him to this point where he isn't embarrassed to be genuine, reasonable, rational, and honestly engage.
I actually thought it was weird how unceasingly, parentally patient he was to qorantos but always argues every point with vegan gains who is actually engaging honestly. I get the sense he genuinely dislikes vegan gains hahahah
@@thenucas i got the impression Destiny was being extra laid back with both of them. Also, Quorantos was more coherent than I’ve ever heard him, and Vegan Gains seems to be moving in the exact opposite direction. Like I usually understand what Vegan gains is getting at, but in this convo he barely went anywhere 😅
I need destiny to start doing private calls because if I watch one more video where he's having a great conversation and then someone joins to talk about some shit from 12 minutes ago I'm going to lose it
This is an example of everyone coming on giving their perspective and leaving when they have nothing else to say. It was interesting and didn’t turn into a cluster fuck
I really admire Destiny's perspective on Black issues and culture. Among online influencers, I find his take to be top-notch - it's detailed, well-informed, and really nuanced. Anyone labeling Destiny as racist just isn't taking the discussion seriously
Not sure about that, isn't the " "ppl need rolemodels who look like themselves" take kind of racist. And I assume this goes for him too, thus he would be racist too. Why can't a black person have a white person as rolemodel? Why does the rolemodel have to be black, unless the black guy is racist .. ? Also, this take is also an argument for societies where everyone looks like yourself because then you get the max rolemodels who look like you = best, by hes logic , sounds kind of racist to me o.0 EDIT: Also what about cross-country adoption, what if a person in japan adopts a white child, should that be illegal because then the child does not get any rolemodels who look like himself, should white countries only adopt from other white countries and black countries only adopt from black countries etc, like that is the logical conclusion of this take, if not child gonna lack rolemodels who look like themselves =bad
30:00 The audacity of that woman to point out him putting his hands on her when he repeatedly tried to get away and she was the one putting her hands on him
It hurts to watch the new age black woman who is a warrior that not only fights for themselves but for their entire culture because someone else has a similar hairstyle.
I really support being able to punch someone's face in if they act like that. But we know what would happen if that went down. People have completely lost the meaning of respect due to having no repercussions for their actions.
I feel like people have a very warped reality of how far affirmative action policies extend. It gets thrown around a lot that, "It's not GIVING people positions, it's just giving them the opportunity the otherwise wouldn't have." I want to say this in the nicest way possible. It's just strictly not the case anymore. Anyone claiming that it's just opportunity, isn't intimate with the programs. I work in commercial construction as a PM, and am very intimate with how construction contracts are awarded. I assume the process is similar for all the other government funded projects, in other sectors. MBE "goals" on projects, are not "goals". They are strictly enforced rules, written into our contracts, that MANDATE the usage of minorities on projects. You need a waiver, with proof that there's no suitable minority owned candidate, that can do the project. And it's a false choice when submitting a waiver to bypass the quota. The agencies will purposely extend the process, and take as much time as humanly possible to delay any waiver to remove the quota. Effectively, the company will face the choice between, "Choose the minority business with no experience, and 3x higher than the rest of the competition, or delay the project by 3 months, and face 3 months of liquidated damages." Which my last project was $20,000/day LD. So the choice is realistically, "Pay an additional $500k to a shitty vendor with no qualifications, or pay $1.8M to the state as a fine for 'delaying' the project." And more recently, they have been more blunt about (specifically) black owned businesses. Where about 3 months ago during a bid walkthrough, she was doing the standard, "Our MBE goals are 30% ... " And then added, "And 9% of that 30% must be black owned. No exceptions, no waivers. If no black owned business can fill a role, we'll stop the project." It's genuinely gotten out of hand. I don't care if you want to give minorities opportunities, like education. But the state is literally forcing tax money to be spent to hire MBE's with significantly less experience, and significantly higher prices. And the worst of it all, is an MBE is just a minority "owned" business. So you're not even helping impoverished minority communities. It's just helping multi-millionaire minority business owners, that hire in the exact same way any other business would hire.
In my state we have women requirements for goverment work where we need a certain percentage of employees women in fields that simply don't have nearly that many women in them. I mean trying to find a fire protection contractor that has enough women in the company is super difficult.
And that is the most stupid way to do affirmative action, sadly also the easiest. The idea of affirmative action is to consider not just the race of the person, but also the environment they grew up in. So you'd judge on a case by case bases and check if a black person is an outlier who came from money or from the hoods. If you have some Asian dude who came from money trying to get into harvard and scored a full mark, and some black dude who came from the slums and scored a 95, you would give the spot to the black person base on the socioeconomic factor the person grew up from. And this doesn't have to just work on a racial basis too. If you have two asian dudes who came from wealth and an Asian dude who's migrated from Lao or some other poor ass countries, you would hopefully see the merit of allowing someone from an disadvantaged background into a prestigious school, since the purpose of these institution was to incorporate a wide range of perspectives. If you just have kids who came from money attend Harvard since they got access to private tutor, go to private schools and can afford all the textbook they want, you will create a society where the people who run things are overwhelmingly those who came from money and they'll look out for their own interests before anyone else.
Q is so much more bearable when he's being reasonable in a conversation of this style than when he is shouting because he knows his take is shit and indefensible and the only way to make it seem passable is pretend you're so passionate about it that it must mean you are right.
@ the culture argument...literally nobody sees a black guy in a suite, straight back and groomed hair/facial hair etc and thinks to themselves _"oh shit it's a gangster I better be careful"_ lmfao. People react this way to cultural markers, not skin color. Unless they're the type of racists VG is talking about, aka racial superiority racists. Can't believe VG is actually giving a rare, grounded, well reasoned take for once ^_^
I think Q , contrary to what other leeches/ orbiters would like to have you believe, is the perfect jester for Destiny. He is the only one who can give honest pushback at times and be completely instigatory at other times. And contrary to initial apearances he is quite intelligent.
True. I heavily dislike his "hood" attitude while being the perfect personification of higher middle class kid. It strikes me as larping but what do I care he found his nieche and destiny seems to accept that. I just don't want another Mr.Girl.
Totally agree 😂 when someone is acting like a low lQ nut job like Mr. Girl or Legan Gains starts looping, and Destiny is being way too patient or not pushing back enough.. that's when Q shines and everyone hopes he pops in for a short screeching session 😂
Also the issue with the reparations idea that doesn't get brought up is, if you did personal reparations you would have to set up a government entity to determine 'who is black and who is not', and create a comprehensive government list of all black people to distribute to. This is not only unrealistic, fraught with an infinity of philosophical problems, and politically infeasible, it just would stoke a lot of paranoia and even more harsh and extreme racial divisions in the country. Additionally, handing individuals cash often has a bad effect on them, especially if some in the community have preexisting issues like drug addiction(giving a junkie a big stipend will likely lead to their death) AND even most regular people aren't great with managing money that isn't linked to work(people who win the lottery almost always declare bankruptcy shortly after). The most realistic way AND most effective way of doing something like reparations would be to take the money and use it for string community investment and development in urban and predominantly black places using a lot of preestablished black community organizations, social pillars, and black commercial groups and businesses. Practically speaking there would be problems and as with any large gov expense some money I'm sure would be wasted on unscrupulous people BUT on the whole it would likely be far more effective at helping communities and all black people then mailing a check.
@@jonm3131 Most people are able to change their views if they're shown to be wrong as long as the other person isn't being super aggressive about pointing it out. That's not true for VG. He'll confidently be wrong and anyone showing him how he's wrong he'll either ignore or brush off. The convo's done when he joins because there's literally nothing productive that could possibly be done, because he's incapable of a normal back and forth. It's like putting a convo on hold until he says "*bitchy sigh* alright, bye" and leaves.
This is a really good discussion.. Lots of people really aren’t aware of all the complexities and nuances around racism.. It’s such a complex problem to solve.
It's all he does for hours at a time for years, he should be good at it by now. Either the conversation or the key presses are muscle memory, different depending on what's going on in each one.
Honestly, despite him saying he was trolling there is a huge psychology problem involving black people and how they view themselves. I think the black community, we need to forgive in order to start to move forward, and forgiveness isn't about loving someone, it's about loving yourself enough to let your past not hurt and anger consume you. By holding so much resentment over White people we give them power over us, and my last point is that the black community needs to stop comparing themselves to every other community. We must recognize that we have nothing to prove, because constantly seeking validation from other communities only gives them even more power and influence over us and how we view ourselves. We've come a long way, so who cares about what everyone else thinks? Just love ourselves and our communities, and set our own standards and values. The dichotomy of striving for black excellence and black victimization just puts us in a box. We have nothing to prove to anybody.
Black with conservative family. My church friend could listen to rap music but most of their parents wouldn’t let them listen to something like lil boosie. You can listen to a Kanye or Jcole
But this time he actually is right, lmao. There’s a difference between pattern recognition prejudice, and actual racism (believing a race is inferior). If it’s night, you’re walking through a sketchy area with high rates of crime by black ppl, there’s a black dude with his hood up walking towards you and you switch sides of the road, that’s completely different than nick feuentes saying a race is genetically inferior. Heard it called type 1 and type 2 racism before.
excatly that is one of the reason why private school perform better. Since you pay for private schools there is big chance that you care about education meaning that other student/children in the class have a more likelyhood to come from household that value education. That in turn allowes the teacher to focus more on teaching.
@@michelbraun4858and on top of that private schools get to be more selective of the students they admit. They don’t let any of the shithead kids in public schools have to deal with.
I think 3 things we could do in the US that would help resolve a lot of issues. Reallocate funds, not increase spending, from salaries and budgets that are unreasonable, to teacher, police officers and nurses. Then fix our road infrastructure and invest in farming in the US. I think these changes would see a good shift in the education system, public safety and general health of the US. It would help reduce some of the overall expenses and provide more healthy food options at more reasonable prices. It would also help deflate some of the corruption we see at the top because there is less money in those jobs.
One of the most inaccurate stereotypes is that black women aren’t married due to welfare. Black women have always been the most employed women based on a prorata share. Moreover, I do agree that Black people in general are the most race conscious people because it’s been engrained for hundreds of years. You had to be aware of your race for safety reason. As we move away further away not just from slavery but Jim Crow and hard care racism we may let go of the race consciousness and possibly racism. Furthermore, what bothers me most is many groups were/are the beneficiaries of affirmative action one of the largest being white women. From the business set asides aspect, grants, scholarships and possibly even university admittance earlier on.
To add to that , people often try to inaccurately use the “No father in the home” narrative when the NoFather In the Home rule was only implemented in 6 states , and only lasted 4 years during the introduction of the welfare program
i'm gonna be honest for a second. i have a store and 100% of the Romani kids that have come to my store have tried to steal. 100% of them. Sometimes when they come again they don't but i am still cautious. Now there might be a point in time that one Romani kid won't and hasn't ever stolen and i would still be cautious when he comes to my store. You might say it's ingorant or racist or patern recognition or culture or their living environment and i agree with all of it but it's not my job at that time to think about that. my mind is thinking 100% of them have tried to steal so i'll be cautious because i don;t like my things to be stolen.
At 50:52 when Q asks Destiny if pattern recognition is justified in certain scenarios, and Destiny hesitates.. to me, that's the cause of some of the worst tragedies and injustices against people in this country - police using deadly force against unarmed men, employers shredding resumes of every "Tyrone" they come across, etc. Obviously, it's not an easy topic to discuss or resolve, so I'm not even pointing this out in anger. I just want everyone to know "justified racism" can be extremely harmful.
Last name is a much better indicator of race than first name (which much more indicates class). But when presented with resumès that have different last names (even ones that are mostly black) there is no difference.
@@ludwigvonsowell5347 so per your comment, having a name like Philip Jenkins is a bigger indicator of being a black American than a name like La'Darius Hancock? Not likely.
@@bcd398 64% of La’Dariuses are white, compared to 60% of Jenkins. 30 and 34% respectively are black. Statistically speaking La’Darius Jenkins is a white guy. Chris (11% black) Washington (90% black) is what you would want to test against something like Chris (79% white) Polanski (100% white). Mynamestats is the source. Fascinating data.
childhood/teenage years will definitely impact how your future education/career turns out. I'm white and I grew up pretty poor. In my teenage years I hung out with the wrong crowd and got into drugs/crime. Stopped caring about school. Dropped out, did a small amount of time in jail and by the time I was 19 I flipped my life around. I can't imagine how I would of turned out if I was in the same scenario but added guns/gangs into the mix. I grew up with dealers and people that were involved in fights/ guns but stayed away from it. Some people really glorify that life style. The money comes easy. It's hard to go from making hundreds/thousands per day/week from serving fiends and then going into a safe stable job and make a few hundred in a week. Depending on the city/town it can also be difficult to find a decent job for some. If you get wrapped up in that shit and don't have future goals/good education it can be rough to get out of that. Now if you add gangs/violence into that, its a whole new game. I knew all sorts of people with different races that went through this lifestyle so no, im not only says black people.
37:11 that is a bit hyperbolic. In the 90s you had De La Soul, InI, A Tribe Called Quest, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Public Enemy, Rass Kass, Rakim, The Roots etc. 90s definitely had a lot of conscious, lyrical, artistic hip hop. It just wasn't mainstream.
Having worked in retail in tampa, as well as having been followed around a store by the employees as a white guy, it's almost always based on clothing or things like a back pack. Walk into a Walmart wearing dirty cloths, and looking around shifty eyed while trying to look like your not looking at the employees, and watch them follow you.
And you literally missed the whole point. A black person can walk in a store dressed perfectly and they will STILL get followed !!!!!!!! If you’re white you have to look like a homeless crackhead for anyone to be suspicious of you. You florida ppl are disappointing af. RIP TRAYVON MARTIN 🙏
While I do feel like the stereo type of following black people around in stores because they're black this definitely a factor. I live in a majority black country and went into our version of Walmart (Magamart) when I was in HS with a few friends looking to buy some stuff and we realized we were being followed by an employee. I know for a fact that if I went there today in my college uniform that wouldn't happen.
When you’re part of the demographic that commits the most crime, and it’s not even close, you’re going to be treated differently. It sucks if you’re not a scumbag thief, but it has to be understood and empathized with. As an adult man in the childcare field, I have to go out of my way to demonstrate that I’m not a creep, because so many creeps are men. I’m aware and act in a non-threatening manner to help get people to feel more at ease. Should I have to do that any more than a black kid in a store should? No, but it’s understandable and so I act according to that context.
@@Goulash45 “Of the 758 inmates in general, a disproportionate number of both child molesters and rapists were white (n = 171 vs 35 black men).” How do you feel about this statistic?
8:07 Ben Carson got where he is by hard work and perseverance, which completely undermines your thesis. Affirmative action just cheaps the accomplishments of people like him. How would you feel if you were always wondering if you got that job based on merit, or if they were just trying to fill a quota? Anyone who doesn't care doesn't deserve to be in a position like that. It is a racist policy that treats black people like victims. This is the only example of systematic racism that i can think of in this day and age.
Good convo to hear. I hate that people say don’t have these convos without a black person. I actually like hearing other races talk about black issues in a sensible manner without feeling pressured to be nice when talking in front of a black person
I always think it’s funny when people reference the proverbial “white guy from Alabama” that’s allegedly never seen a black person before 😂. One of these days these people will go to the south and boy howdy, are they in for a surprise.
The whole “pattern recognition” conversation to me as someone who works with datasets as it was had here was lacking. The issue is a person could’ve had, coincidentally, 10 black people all rob them at gunpoint and to go on and maintain distance from all black people from then on while understandable from a primal human perspective is still racist because despite all the stats surrounding black crime, it is still the case that it is the vast minority of the black population that actually commits crime, the same as it is the vast minority for any population in the US that commits crime. At that point you’ve made a fallacy of pattern recognition because you’ve operated under an extremely limited dataset, and your experience, while unfortunate, is definitely just anecdotal. If you lived in the hood ever you’d know that it’s definitely not everyone out there committing crime. People generally know who the criminals and gangbangers are, where they live/like to hang out at, and they stay away. They know that the vast majority of the neighborhood aren’t criminals who are going to rob you or be violent
If you suddenly avoid all black people because of it, then sure, you could say that's bad, but if you just are extra alert when a black person walks past you at night in a dangerous area, nobody loses anything, but you are a little extra safe. Of course, this is just a single factor, and in reality, if a dapper looking black man in a suit was walking past, that's far less likely to be a problem than a guy in a hoodie, covering his face, looking around acting shifty, etc.
The convo wasn't terrible but there were some glaring issues that went unaddressed. The statement about black people being more racist then whites is false by every metric. You can view hate crime stats, domestic terrorist stats, look at extremeist group membership numbers......all point to white people being more racist. Next, people are talking about pattern recognition but simultaneously saying black people think everything that happens to them is race related. Clearly overlooking the possibility they meant racist things have in fact happened to them and they are just using pattern recognition to assume that this incident is like the others Next i often hear how long ago these policies were but if you are in your 30s and mixed when your parents were born it was literally illegal for your parents to marry and when you black parent was born they couldn't legally vote. Redlining and other legal issues literally got identified 20 years after that. To truly see the effects of something you look to the generation after. The people were impacted by systematic and institutional racism are literally still alive. So these issues aren't ancient or long forgotten. To put it in perspective mlk would be younger then betty white if he wasn't murdered and he loved through some terrible stuff
your first points would agree with Destiny. White people are now prone to do the extreme shit while black people are more casually racist. I have no idea though
You're kind of ignoring that "hate crime" reporting is obviously wildly biased. If you want to see racism levels, you can look at discrimination experiments. You can also literally just ask. We consistently see that blacks are very pro-black and consistently slightly anti-white, whereas whites fail to show any level of pro-white discrimination. "For White participants (n=10435), pooled results did not detect a net discrimination for or against White targets, but, for Black participants (n=2781), pooled results indicated the presence of a small-to-moderate net discrimination in favor of Black targets". From "Black and White discrimination in the United States: Evidence from an archive of survey experiment studies".
@@Bridge2110The hate crime bias comment is on point. Pretty much every assault on Asians during the "Stop Asian hate" campaign was perpetuated by black people yet they tried to spin a narrative that it was white supremacy related. The same with the constant assaulting of Jews in New York.
Ok, thing is that if you model economic class as a markov chain, with bigger chance of staying poor if you are born poor and of staying rich if you are born rich, black people fon't need a push forward, they just need time, it's called mixing time. As long as we keep racist laws and bias as much out of the way as possible, things should get considerably better in just a few generations.
The one time Vegan Gaines isn't being completely insufferable, Destiny has to cut the conversation off early. I guess we can't get too used to normal conversation with him.
The f'ing stupidity about arguing to cut off funding for Ukraine to do more spending internally, is that the USA has had 30 years to fund the pet projects people want money spent on, and there hasn't been political will to spend ANY of that money in the USA in those 30 years. Defunding Ukraine 1) wouldn't do fk for USA spending because we just proved over 30 years we wouldn't spend that money even if we had it 2) You can't spend cluster bombs to fund a midwest school. You can't spend Abrams tanks to build a new bridge. Tons of the raw aid we've provided has been military junk that we will never use now, and in fact would have had to PAY to dispose of.
A conversation that even Destiny struggles to have. Women judge men the way people judge other races and everybody just seems to be okay with that. Definitely just double standards. No easy way out it seems to be.
Can Destiny have people of color in discord that actually have a level of intelligence to effectively portray their point and stance on topics. Everyone seems either nervous or super illiterate. Not one person hit the important topics here. Constantly throughout Im hearing contradictory solutions that are used to dissolve other peoples arguments or takes on the subject.
Jesus christ the volume mixing between the normal conversation and the music references is fucking atrocious, just wanna listen to Destiny have a conversation before bed and August is over here waking up my whole family, the next door neighbors and every dog in a 3 mile radius rather than just equalizing a bit. Love you August, don't do that again please.
He got scammed so he feels it’s okay to discriminate against Indians, but doesn’t want to admit this opens the floor to discriminate against black people lol.
Great discussion and great points made here but it’s so problematic that nobody is pointing out the fact that the majority of black Americans today are not living in poverty. The poor class in black America is much smaller than the majorly which are middle and upper class. Please stop repeating the poverty line with black Americans. It just makes it appear as if most black people are still in the poverty state and not achieving at all.
Yeah I guess you should let them steal from your store and destroy your dream of being financially independent. I thought they supported black owned businesses and economies. But why are they stealing from non black owned shops???
@@Whydoyouneedtoknow776 black ppl should honestly burn this entire country to the ground for what has been done to them and their families. They have had EVERYTHING stolen from them.
@@-----GOD-----i think humans have a responsibility to shunt their negative animalistic traits and replace them with our unique conscious abilities. we may have some semi-instinctual inclination to pattern recognize, but we also have the ability to critically think which ought to be the expectation
History shows destiny is wrong here. Poverty has been a factor for black households for ages. The problem of crime is new. Fatherless ness is not 5% it’s like 50%
Q is actually very insightful in this conversation and asked Destiny some very hard questions. Vegan Gains however, I actually thought he might've been kinda smart before this, but if he had any credibility before this it has to have TANKED, he was just bringing nothing to the conversation.
I think the problem with overfunded schools is that they don't put the money in education. Instead they put it in security and reparations. But it is because they have to and not because they have a choice.
I disagree. He basically made the argument that it’s perfectly fine for regular citizens to use personal experience and data to discriminate against people based on their race and it not be considered racism, but it is racist for cops to do the exact same thing. I don’t see how one could be considered racism but not the other. Either both are morally wrong or neither is wrong.
@@bigben3089 someone from the same area as vegan gains I can say that almost every company I call has indian people as legitimate customer support and that I frequently get scam calls (lets say once a month) and a very small portion of the callers are indians, most just sound like regular americans so I'm pretty sure hes just being racist lol
@@bigben3089 Most of vegan gains talking points here are retarded but there is absolutely a difference between the moral actions of a private individual and state law enforcement.
@@09f9 obviously from a legal standpoint, but not from a moral standpoint. If it is ok for regular people to use their personal experience and data collection to better protect themselves from people of another race, it should be completely morally ok for cops to do that to. You can’t make the argument that it’s morally fine for someone to follow a black person around their store to make sure they don’t steal anything just because they’ve had black people steal from them in the past, but then immediately say that a cop racially profiling someone based off their past experiences and the data they have collected is racist and wrong. That’s the exact argument that vegan gains is making and it’s ridiculous.
Thomas Sowell has written about this issue at length. I'd recommend reading any number of his books as it will at the bare minimum open the doors to a broader understanding of this issue.
The problem is so many people today have these preconceived notions about anyone or anything that’s producing views different from their own. So getting someone with opposing viewpoints to watch or read something that they don’t agree with is almost impossible these days. It’s honestly sad just how dumb people have gotten while thinking they’re actually smart.
@Destiny, as a musician, you have to know that Black Americans created the only original western musical art form that exists in the United States in Jazz music and that music was created by people in poverty and living under much more significant racial oppression than exists today. The greatest instrumentalists in American music. The blues and Gospel music and essentially almost everything that led up to popular music today was created by that group of people and it was actually a great beauty and significance and culture within those forms. Please dont denigrate the history of African Americans by describing them as culture less of reducing their contribution to the arts down to rap music and the lowest common denominator. We have a significant culture and value system that shouldn't be reduced down to or defined b the street culture we see today.
The brain operates on patterns and pattern recognition. It isn't racist, and it isn't justified for a person to experience a pattern and act in a way such that the pattern is correct judgement, it's unavoidable, it's literally not a conscious decision, people don't conscientiously choose to identify a threat, that's why when there's a loud noise in a horror movie, you consciously are aware it is just a loud noise and not scary, but your brain automatically responded on the fact usually loud noises mean danger and so you reacted. If every time I walk down the street and see a black person and they punch me in the mouth, I am not consciously deciding I hate black people and they are vicious mouth punchers, but my brain with instruct me to avoid them if in walking down the street. You see this with victims of SA, they don't hate the opposite sex that SAd them, but they can have a trauma response if they are around.
Isn’t this a naturalistic fallacy? Just because something is natural doesn’t mean it’s moral or justified. To me it comes down to probability. If you know the odds of having a bad encounter with a black person are low but still react like you’ve seen a ghost every time you see one, it’s racist. Because the vast majority of that group doesn’t commit crime, to have a fear response is irrational and should be tamed. It’s all about the odds ratio. White people commit more crime than Asians, so should Asians be afraid of whites? No. And to me that’s the key marker of racism: I.e irrationality. I’m not going to freak out or feel high levels of fear every time I see a homeless person just because the risk of something bad occurring with them is slightly higher than encounters with a regular person… why? Again it’s because I know the odds ratio is too low to have any practical effect on me. If eating X food doubles my odds of getting disease Y from 1%-2% I’m not going to freak out about that
I agree with the premise and the theoretical every black guy punched me in the mouth before scenario, unfortunately, some people act like they’ve had countless bad interactions with black people when they really haven’t. It could be that by watching negative interactions in media, we internalize those as our own interactions and act accordingly, but that seems less justifiable. Then we could blame the media for cooking up those interactions, but the media only creates things that garner high viewership, so then it’s the audience that demands these interactions.
@@therealtigertalk it's not a naturalistic fallacy, I'm not appealing to some unknowable unverifiable biological imperative our unga Bunga cave men ancestors operated on and thus affects us. I'm referring to verifiable autonomic and neurological reactions within our brain processes. It's no more naturalistic as to say illusions aren't real it's our brain making up movement or confusion images and motion because of a different form of pattern recognition. I'm referring to autonomic subconscious responses, these are akin to trauma responses. There's a difference between a conscious bias vs a bias of pattern. There are people who have had no negative interactions with a certain group, but maybe they see news stories, or their parents said things or any other negatives towards that group they became consciously informed of, that person has no neurological pattern being identified subconsciously and they likely have a conscious bias against that group. Another person may have had nothing but negative interactions with a group, but they read plenty of good about others within that group, and other positives about them, that person likely has a conscious thought that they aren't bad people, but there is an autonomic response caused by the brain having negative interactions with the group which results in that person avoiding them or any other kind of biases subconsciously against them. Conscious vs subconscious bias, you have literally no way to control subconscious bias, even if you consciously aware it is not universally correct. The difference between appeals to nature and statements of modern function of the brain, is that appeals to nature are appeals to things that are not the current human behaviour and biologic processes, appealing to neurological processes that we know exist isn't a fallacy because it's not appealing to anything other than identified traits within the brain.
@@CrispySenpai This is relevant to my reply to the other guy, but it's the difference between a conscious bias and an autonomic one that the brain created through patterns. If you see many negatives in the media or are told negatives, that's you consciously being made aware of negatives, your bias in this case wouldn't be a pattern or an autonomic response your body has, but rather a conscious one. The information you gathered required you read, or listen, or identify other people's negative interactions, rather than experience them, and that's a different path for the brain to follow to create your own negative pattern. It's like the difference between watching a horror movie and being a victim of some form of assault: you don't get any trauma response from watching a horror movie and seeing something resembling a scary scene, because you were consciously informed of the scary event, but you might be consciously scared of it. Whereas someone who was a victim of some form of assault, they are fairly likely to have some trauma response and will have some autonomic responses their body has to it, even if they consciously are aware it is no threat. That's why I say people who had negative interactions with a certain group literally cannot change their behaviour regarding avoidance or caution because it's the body's autonomic responses, even if they may be consciously aware there is no threat or their subconscious bias is wrong.
Dude pattern recognition is quite useless if you don't analysse the root cause of the pattern. That is like going ro a doctor to get diagnosis and not for the treatment of the illness.
hi destiny! just wanted to let you know i love what you do as a a conservative i actually love your talking points more than far right channels and have opened me up to more thoughts keep it up
Bruh so many people have said slavery is a mindset. Why are we attributing it to Kanye? Destiny's hip-hop history is weak. He's right that rap has progressed, but he doesn't seem to know about the communal efforts hip-hop has contributed for decades
He's not completely wrong tho people like nas, tribe, doom ect weren't as prevalent as pac, jay and big where as now you can argue kendrick and cole are as popular or more than gangsta rap
@@tehronmoment1367 Nas still rapped about being hard and a drealer/hustler though. lol. But yes I agree, there has been a paradigm shift. Wu-Tang, Jay-z, UGK, Three 6 Mafia, 2pac, Biggie, Nas, Snoop, Dre, Eazy-E, Ice Cube, Eminem, DMX, DJ Quik and Big Pun were probably the biggest rappers of the 90's... and their most popular stuff wasn't very positive to say the least. You had a few outliers though, like Tribe, Outkast (though you could argue Big Boi rapped about pimping/hustling a lot), Missy Eliott and Mase/Diddy. But overall, the 90's rap culture was very street and violent, it was corny to be positive. In todays time, guys like Drake, J. Cole, Kendrick, Baby Keem, Asap Rocky, Travis Scott, and Tyler The Creator... are some of the biggest rappers and don't make violent street music.
I think the issue here is the word racism nowadays is just overused to describe so many different things. For once I think vegangains actually was right when he said that racism is (or at least should be) something to describe someone who believes they're superior than another race or races. A better word to describe what's being talked about is prejudice. You can have a prejudice against a certain group of people, but still not be racist.
@@ACE_CMH What is racism to you? Is it just discrimination against a certain race of people? Or is it an ideology that your race is superior over another race? If racism describes both of these things, how do we distinguish between the two? I don't see how it is impossible for someone to have a prejudice against a certain race (i.e. following a black person around a store rather than the 3 other white guys that came in with him) without feeling like they're necessarily superior over that race. Isn't it possible that this person could believe that his own race is also capable of stealing from him, but that more likely than not it'll be the black person? I guess that's still kind of feeling superior in a way... but its different than thinking what most white supremist do isn't it?
@@zeekawesomecus917subcategories of racism. The last sentence you put was what I was mainly referring to. If you target one race in group because of previous experiences then you view that race as less responsible/more dangerous when compared to the other races in that group. Its not as bad as a white supremacist but it’s still racist.
This will just outline how "whites" are the least racist people of all time, all racist except western "whites" view themselves as superior to the other
People really need to start taking time into consideration when having these arguments. Black people always having an excuse for the economic position we’re in? Do people really expect an entire community to become well off within one lifetime of being considered full citizens? We have only had open access to education and the professional world for like two thirds of a lifetime. This idea that all black people are supposed to have caught up in that time is mind boggling. Makes no sense.
And if they really cared they’d pay the debt they owe but they won’t because this country needs a permanent underclass to eat the failure. Black people.. Every bit of progress blk people make they come and knock it down. Now they are attacking grants that are here to help small blk women business owners. There is always an attack on us in this country and until this country makes good it’s going to continue to fail. America is crumbling right before our eyes and the systems that created it are crippling it. Racism and hatred. Burn baby burn 🔥 🔥🔥
Weird, because many black people have caught up if not surpassed the norm. You are a racist to assume black people are too dumb to succeed despite circumstances
Black people have actually out-earned whites since the 80s, once you control for IQ. It's relatively well-known that generational wealth has practically no effects past 2 generations, so yes, it is entirely rational to expect blacks to be as well off as they should be based on merit.
If you want to help Black Americans all you have to do is help Black Americans. Affirmative action was perfectly fine until they watered it down from an action to repair the damage of racism to a catchall for minority groups. White woman benefits the most from affirmative action. Lgbtqia members are considered minorities, disabled people, and people of color or anybody not considered white. As far as a good education, health, infrastructure etc, those are things that should be fair and equitable no matter the community. I shouldn't feel the need to go an extra 10- 20 miles outside of my community for a better education or health outcome.
Customer support doesn't have issues with Indian people because the customer is calling in to get help, they dgaf as long as they can understand. For sales and cold calling in general you definitely get more Latin Americans or other non-Indian people because having an accent is not nearly as bad as having a bit of an Indian accent because of what Destiny mentioned where getting calls from an Indian person immediately makes you think of a scam Source: Worked at a bunch of call centers, many which had us transferring and getting calls transferred from a bunch of other countries Also, I do the same thing VeganGains does with his bank with pretty much anything. If I get a call from a bank or telephone company or any place that might handle important data of mine I just tell them I'm going to call in myself as a safety measure, I feel like everyone should get in the habit of doing the same
I don't think it's really that fair to say that all white people have a 300-year head start. So for example if the government colluded to ship the industry jobs in your state out of the country, and was complicit in the opioid epidemic that took away your parents, did you really have a 300-year head start? I think lifting everyone up at the same time will always sell better, and it's really better in general.
Its weird that Destiny was a music major but doesn't know about conscious rap of the 90s i.e. Common, Mos Def, Talib kweli, De La soul, poor righteous teachers ETC. Its a massive hole in his arguments about the "culture".
3rd Eye Vision by Hieroglyphics is a banger album, check it out if you haven't before. Conscious rappers are cool but I specifically like a dude such as Del who can infuse it with surreal sci-fi imagery and clever, catchy songwriting. His Deltron 3030 album is one of my favorites across any style of music.
25:18 if we could spend less money, that would be great, but if they are so intent on spending money, I'd much rather see Hawaiians get $80 billion Than Zellenskyy's Ukrainian war effort. What wrong with that? Putting Americans first, what a tyrannical concept.
Yo dude I am listening but also super mad that youre killing this game like this. That cpt1 boss was brutal. Im watching your ACVI skills and just tacetly listening lol
I feel like the complexity of thinking that Destiny encourages is really important and he is incredibly good at it. Doesn't include the hours of incredibly immature conversations with people all airing their dirty laundry that lead to this conversation. I just don't understand continually asking others to think critically about situations and having that be what you promote as your content to everyone while encouraging the immature nature of the conflicts you purposefully encourage to lead you to these topics you eventually make videos out of.
i mean he also does love talking to unhinged niggas and exploring their brains , more balance would b cool but the entertainment from the nutty ass interactions are fucking hilarious ngl
Yeah, the complexity of completely misrepresenting the opposing political ideology to yours, then saying retarded things about what that group thinks/wants. Deep shit.
lmao. Predejuice against race is racism lmao. A person is not a collective. They are an individual. Treat them as such. Pattern recognition not because of race, but because of location is not racist. Pattern recognition because of culture or race is racism lmao. You can be predejuice against a location understanding that a gang exists in the neighborhood agnostic of who they might be is not racist. Vegan gains is racist tho for connecting it to culture and skin color lmao.
@@rhetoricallydefective then there lies the answer to why your hypothetical doesn't work for Black people. You admit that Western values, i.e. the system in place prevents it from happening. Very interesting how as much as you folks try to dance around this topic, the LORD our God made perfectly simple for you all to understand why.
Most countries have very complicated race issues going on (as a Canadian we're not exempt from that), but there's something about America's in particular that seems uncleanable.
It’s uncleanable because racism (against black folk) was literally baked into the system. The constitution literally says that Africans are 3/5th human. The only reason other races have wealth is because Africans were denied the ability to have wealth.
Why? Having lived in multiple countries across this planet, America is the only country that actually faces its problem head on. Clean? You can't clean a mess you don't acknowledge exists. The rest of the planet just wants to sweep it under the rug. And then you wonder wtf is happening when you have shit like the 2nd gen Kurds and Arabs in Sweden fucking shit up. Or the otherization of Turks in Germany. Russia sending ethnic Siberians to get slaughtered in imperial invasions. The cluster fuck that is South Africa. Whatever the fuck you all have going on with French Canada. The list goes on. You only feel clean because you aren't being forced to look at your mess.
Could be because the American racist past is quite recent and because the country, as a whole, is trying to grapple with how to go about it (which is more than what you can say for other countries). Also, it's at the forefront of most cultural issues here where it's highly televised, and again, the wounds are quite fresh.
Honestly I've consistently thought Q is by far destiny's best orbiter, he can navigate serious convos in a meaningful way, he can do extremely heated debate fights in an entertaining way, AND he can do joke meme chaos shit really really well. I think it's evident destiny also thinks Q is a very intelligent and industrious person otherwise why platform him SO MUCH, start a show with him and even the way he engages with him(here he explains a couple US legal concepts so that Q can follow the convo easier and expects him to be able to understand the concept and apply it in the convo quickly) just shows he thinks Q gets it more than other orbiters like Darius for example who is clearly like mentally challenged in most convos and doesn't get treated as an equal. I sometimes can't tell if people constantly shitting on him is serious or just a meme. For people that seriously don't like him it makes me think they are stupid.
I really think a lot more of this has to do with subcultures rather than straight-up race. If a black guy dressed up in a nice suit, who sounded like just every other typical businessman came up to my door, I'd not think anything of it. However, if a white dude was dressed up like a gangsta wannabe, with do-rag, sagging pants, and a grill, speaking like he's from ghetto, I'm not answering and I'm gonna think of unlocking that gun-safe, just in case. If you dress like a thug, talk like a thug, walk like a thug... you're probably a thug. if you dress and speak like a respectable adult just going about your daily business and no one is going to bat an eye.
@@robkennedy5906 Its otherization by a different measures. Same shit outcomes. Race is simply the mark in the US because all but 3% of the population are from a foreign lineage. Nationality is almost irrelevant in the US because its a marker of little informational value.
That's because America is one of the most ethnically, racially and culturally diverse countries in the world. They've taken in so many immigrants over the years that it has changed their politics/way of life in a sense. The country is the melting pot of the world, of course race is going to be a more prevalent topic than in other countries, most countries are a lot more ethnically homogenous and don't have anywhere near as much immigration, so i'm not sure how you're even attempting to make a comparison here.
I feel like the extra wariness a store owner has around black people when there is a history of only black people shoplifting is probably a bit racist, but also when limited to potential customers in the store is probably justified. It’s just that as soon as that stereotype and wariness is expanded to black people in different areas or just in general, it’s almost certainly unjustified/irrational racism
@@mechaux1 I kinda agree with what Q was saying, it’s probably that there’s a more run down area nearby which is majority black. So when you have more wariness for those people its because them being black suggests they’re from that area. It probably is a bit racist and probably shouldn’t be encouraged but I think it’s like Destiny’s comparison to women sometimes being sexist and that the line sometimes can be blurry Edit: also it’s not treating black people like thieves cuz you just wouldn’t let thieves in your store, if you had 2 security guards right behind every black person that would also not be okay because I see that as a much larger action for the detriment of probably an innocent person where I would assume the majority of black customers aren’t shoplifting
@mechaux1 let's say black people are 10 times more likely to shoplift from a store than whites. Now let's assume the white shoplifting rate is 1 shoplifter per 1000 people. The chance the typical white person is a shoplifter is .1% of white people. And blacks? 1% of black people. In this case 99+ % of both populations are not shoplifters. So it makes more sense to not assume blacks writ large are thieves.
I disagree with Destiny's take on the legion thing. He had said ""This whole new legion of black zoomer streamers...for as much as they talk about how all white people only scream at the camera, I feel like that's all these guys do..." I don't think him using the term legion is what people were mad about. I think it was the fact that he used two examples of black zoomers streamers that yell to basically describe black zoomer streamers as a whole.
@@star-1814 Destiny only gave two examples when pressed on examples, and those were individuals he did not know and only saw a few clips of. There are most likely more. However, Destiny did not know of any and then stated that what he said was just a throwaway comment that he did not really put that much thought into. Also, just so you know, I am not calling Destiny a racist nor justifying why people go so mad about a throwaway comment of his. I just wanted to better explain why they were mad.
For sure. Even his definition of Zoomer was wildly incorrect. I know he didn't mean anything crazy by it but it is ironic when all he and his orbiters do is yell.
Yo August, in the future can you please add chapter titles called "Vegan Gains joins the call" & "Vegan Gains leaves the call" so I know which part to skip? Much appreciated buddy
It's uncanny hearing quranto holding a normal convo for longer than 8 minutes without autistic screeching
Was gonna say he actually contributed to the convo and asks some good questions throughout. I see a massive amount of shit thrown at him on the Destiny subreddit and stuff, I take it this is not normal behavior for him?
@@jthecool9225it is absolutely NOT normal for him 💀 if he was like this more often he’d be fine
@@lighting7508just not the screaming part. He normally asks insightful questions
He's so different that I don't even believe it's q
@@godyamithe asks questions, yes. Insightful might be a bit of a stretch.
sometimes, 1 in 1000 times, qorantos is actually part of a nice conversation and he acts like a human being, keep it up
You better buckle up for the next 999 omega retarded times then buddy
Agreed. I really liked Q in this discussion, it was actually insightful. His rage and craziness just gets so boring so quickly. If he could stay a little more serious, i actually could enjoy his stuff
genuinely think destiny's (mostly) good faith attitude is rubbing off on Q somewhat. Maybe Q was always capable, but needed some encouragement to get him to this point where he isn't embarrassed to be genuine, reasonable, rational, and honestly engage.
I actually thought it was weird how unceasingly, parentally patient he was to qorantos but always argues every point with vegan gains who is actually engaging honestly. I get the sense he genuinely dislikes vegan gains hahahah
@@thenucas i got the impression Destiny was being extra laid back with both of them. Also, Quorantos was more coherent than I’ve ever heard him, and Vegan Gains seems to be moving in the exact opposite direction. Like I usually understand what Vegan gains is getting at, but in this convo he barely went anywhere 😅
*puts hands on kid* “dont put your hands on me!” Literally the victim mentality displayed perfectly
I need destiny to start doing private calls because if I watch one more video where he's having a great conversation and then someone joins to talk about some shit from 12 minutes ago I'm going to lose it
This is an example of everyone coming on giving their perspective and leaving when they have nothing else to say. It was interesting and didn’t turn into a cluster fuck
Must be new 😂
I really admire Destiny's perspective on Black issues and culture. Among online influencers, I find his take to be top-notch - it's detailed, well-informed, and really nuanced. Anyone labeling Destiny as racist just isn't taking the discussion seriously
I think he has quite a nuanced POV for a white blue haired woman with a strippers name
Definitely
I agree
Not sure about that, isn't the " "ppl need rolemodels who look like themselves" take kind of racist. And I assume this goes for him too, thus he would be racist too.
Why can't a black person have a white person as rolemodel? Why does the rolemodel have to be black, unless the black guy is racist .. ? Also, this take is also an argument for societies where everyone looks like yourself because then you get the max rolemodels who look like you = best, by hes logic , sounds kind of racist to me o.0 EDIT: Also what about cross-country adoption, what if a person in japan adopts a white child, should that be illegal because then the child does not get any rolemodels who look like himself, should white countries only adopt from other white countries and black countries only adopt from black countries etc, like that is the logical conclusion of this take, if not child gonna lack rolemodels who look like themselves =bad
He's wrong. You can't fix the black community
30:00 The audacity of that woman to point out him putting his hands on her when he repeatedly tried to get away and she was the one putting her hands on him
It hurts to watch the new age black woman who is a warrior that not only fights for themselves but for their entire culture because someone else has a similar hairstyle.
Getting big "Amber from Invincible" vibes from her.
I really support being able to punch someone's face in if they act like that. But we know what would happen if that went down. People have completely lost the meaning of respect due to having no repercussions for their actions.
I feel like people have a very warped reality of how far affirmative action policies extend. It gets thrown around a lot that, "It's not GIVING people positions, it's just giving them the opportunity the otherwise wouldn't have." I want to say this in the nicest way possible. It's just strictly not the case anymore. Anyone claiming that it's just opportunity, isn't intimate with the programs.
I work in commercial construction as a PM, and am very intimate with how construction contracts are awarded. I assume the process is similar for all the other government funded projects, in other sectors. MBE "goals" on projects, are not "goals". They are strictly enforced rules, written into our contracts, that MANDATE the usage of minorities on projects. You need a waiver, with proof that there's no suitable minority owned candidate, that can do the project. And it's a false choice when submitting a waiver to bypass the quota. The agencies will purposely extend the process, and take as much time as humanly possible to delay any waiver to remove the quota. Effectively, the company will face the choice between, "Choose the minority business with no experience, and 3x higher than the rest of the competition, or delay the project by 3 months, and face 3 months of liquidated damages." Which my last project was $20,000/day LD. So the choice is realistically, "Pay an additional $500k to a shitty vendor with no qualifications, or pay $1.8M to the state as a fine for 'delaying' the project."
And more recently, they have been more blunt about (specifically) black owned businesses. Where about 3 months ago during a bid walkthrough, she was doing the standard, "Our MBE goals are 30% ... " And then added, "And 9% of that 30% must be black owned. No exceptions, no waivers. If no black owned business can fill a role, we'll stop the project."
It's genuinely gotten out of hand. I don't care if you want to give minorities opportunities, like education. But the state is literally forcing tax money to be spent to hire MBE's with significantly less experience, and significantly higher prices. And the worst of it all, is an MBE is just a minority "owned" business. So you're not even helping impoverished minority communities. It's just helping multi-millionaire minority business owners, that hire in the exact same way any other business would hire.
In my state we have women requirements for goverment work where we need a certain percentage of employees women in fields that simply don't have nearly that many women in them. I mean trying to find a fire protection contractor that has enough women in the company is super difficult.
I didn't know about the delays and the fines but we have the same type of quota in our company
And that is the most stupid way to do affirmative action, sadly also the easiest. The idea of affirmative action is to consider not just the race of the person, but also the environment they grew up in. So you'd judge on a case by case bases and check if a black person is an outlier who came from money or from the hoods. If you have some Asian dude who came from money trying to get into harvard and scored a full mark, and some black dude who came from the slums and scored a 95, you would give the spot to the black person base on the socioeconomic factor the person grew up from.
And this doesn't have to just work on a racial basis too. If you have two asian dudes who came from wealth and an Asian dude who's migrated from Lao or some other poor ass countries, you would hopefully see the merit of allowing someone from an disadvantaged background into a prestigious school, since the purpose of these institution was to incorporate a wide range of perspectives.
If you just have kids who came from money attend Harvard since they got access to private tutor, go to private schools and can afford all the textbook they want, you will create a society where the people who run things are overwhelmingly those who came from money and they'll look out for their own interests before anyone else.
You forgot the W in MWBE. It’s usually the W’s who benefit from these programs. It’s actually usually white W’s who benefit. Not so much minorities.
Whew! That was a lot to lay out in text format I bet.
Well said tho
Might screenshor this for my official documents.
Q is so much more bearable when he's being reasonable in a conversation of this style than when he is shouting because he knows his take is shit and indefensible and the only way to make it seem passable is pretend you're so passionate about it that it must mean you are right.
I fucking hate his screeching. I didn't even realize it was him at first. It's crazy to see a reasonable Q
Agreed - I like this Q, other Q gets boring in 5 minutes.
@@IncorrectTH-camUser based. Q is annoying as fuck usually.
Ngl came to the comments specifically looking for this comment
True Qs autistic rage dosent have the same endearing energy darius’s does
@ the culture argument...literally nobody sees a black guy in a suite, straight back and groomed hair/facial hair etc and thinks to themselves _"oh shit it's a gangster I better be careful"_ lmfao.
People react this way to cultural markers, not skin color. Unless they're the type of racists VG is talking about, aka racial superiority racists.
Can't believe VG is actually giving a rare, grounded, well reasoned take for once ^_^
No, a suit will not ameliorate the anti-blackness that accompanies being black in America, especially regarding implicit and explicit racism.
I think Q , contrary to what other leeches/ orbiters would like to have you believe, is the perfect jester for Destiny. He is the only one who can give honest pushback at times and be completely instigatory at other times. And contrary to initial apearances he is quite intelligent.
True. I heavily dislike his "hood" attitude while being the perfect personification of higher middle class kid.
It strikes me as larping but what do I care he found his nieche and destiny seems to accept that.
I just don't want another Mr.Girl.
Totally agree 😂 when someone is acting like a low lQ nut job like Mr. Girl or Legan Gains starts looping, and Destiny is being way too patient or not pushing back enough.. that's when Q shines and everyone hopes he pops in for a short screeching session 😂
Love hearing 2 educated women of color having this conversation
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I'm surprised they finished high school 😂
@@TurtleChad1 surprised? Look at the statistics Black women are the most highly educated, out ranking BM.
@@TurtleChad1what is your problem?
Also the issue with the reparations idea that doesn't get brought up is, if you did personal reparations you would have to set up a government entity to determine 'who is black and who is not', and create a comprehensive government list of all black people to distribute to. This is not only unrealistic, fraught with an infinity of philosophical problems, and politically infeasible, it just would stoke a lot of paranoia and even more harsh and extreme racial divisions in the country. Additionally, handing individuals cash often has a bad effect on them, especially if some in the community have preexisting issues like drug addiction(giving a junkie a big stipend will likely lead to their death) AND even most regular people aren't great with managing money that isn't linked to work(people who win the lottery almost always declare bankruptcy shortly after). The most realistic way AND most effective way of doing something like reparations would be to take the money and use it for string community investment and development in urban and predominantly black places using a lot of preestablished black community organizations, social pillars, and black commercial groups and businesses. Practically speaking there would be problems and as with any large gov expense some money I'm sure would be wasted on unscrupulous people BUT on the whole it would likely be far more effective at helping communities and all black people then mailing a check.
When vegan gains comes on the convo basically is done.
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the dude has no idea what racism means, and he ends up justifying and admiting to racist behaviors@@jonm3131
I take offence to that, just so you know.
@@jonm3131 Most people are able to change their views if they're shown to be wrong as long as the other person isn't being super aggressive about pointing it out. That's not true for VG. He'll confidently be wrong and anyone showing him how he's wrong he'll either ignore or brush off. The convo's done when he joins because there's literally nothing productive that could possibly be done, because he's incapable of a normal back and forth. It's like putting a convo on hold until he says "*bitchy sigh* alright, bye" and leaves.
@@NicholasW943 Do you mind showing some timestamps, I didn't catch those partts
Some dude in Alabama whose only idea of black people are rappers and movie characters??? Lmao maybe use Nebraska as your example next time.
This is a really good discussion.. Lots of people really aren’t aware of all the complexities and nuances around racism.. It’s such a complex problem to solve.
seems like a complex problem until you just stfu about it and try to get along with people regardless of what they look like.
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No, we see the self segregation & those who vote for their own interests as a community. Just a problem when white people do it
Destiny becoming more and more based, gotta love it
I'm still amazed how this guy can still articulate himself while playing games.
It's all he does for hours at a time for years, he should be good at it by now. Either the conversation or the key presses are muscle memory, different depending on what's going on in each one.
Honestly, despite him saying he was trolling there is a huge psychology problem involving black people and how they view themselves. I think the black community, we need to forgive in order to start to move forward, and forgiveness isn't about loving someone, it's about loving yourself enough to let your past not hurt and anger consume you. By holding so much resentment over White people we give them power over us, and my last point is that the black community needs to stop comparing themselves to every other community. We must recognize that we have nothing to prove, because constantly seeking validation from other communities only gives them even more power and influence over us and how we view ourselves. We've come a long way, so who cares about what everyone else thinks? Just love ourselves and our communities, and set our own standards and values. The dichotomy of striving for black excellence and black victimization just puts us in a box. We have nothing to prove to anybody.
Black with conservative family. My church friend could listen to rap music but most of their parents wouldn’t let them listen to something like lil boosie. You can listen to a Kanye or Jcole
Hope you vote for Trump next year!! 😊
Always great when vegan gains joins to slam the brakes on the conversation
Bro I just got there. I heard his voice spawn in and my heart sank.
@@ianmacdonald4163same 😐
But this time he actually is right, lmao. There’s a difference between pattern recognition prejudice, and actual racism (believing a race is inferior).
If it’s night, you’re walking through a sketchy area with high rates of crime by black ppl, there’s a black dude with his hood up walking towards you and you switch sides of the road, that’s completely different than nick feuentes saying a race is genetically inferior.
Heard it called type 1 and type 2 racism before.
Destiny, I can't tell you how much I appreciate these types of conversations. So educational and informative.
I wonder if Indian people hang up when they get a call from an Indian person claiming they are from the bank?
Finally someone who forces destiny to answer the question he keeps dodging.
"Does he love black people?'
He luh
Beta!
@@TRSCARLET Aaaamazin
Obviously SHE doesn't because of the self hatred that black women face.
Blat peepo*
When Destiny left at the end it felt like a girl leaving me with blue cohones . It was just starting to get interesting and hot ...
How much education is valued in the household is one of the greatest predictors for academic outcome
excatly that is one of the reason why private school perform better. Since you pay for private schools there is big chance that you care about education meaning that other student/children in the class have a more likelyhood to come from household that value education. That in turn allowes the teacher to focus more on teaching.
@@michelbraun4858and on top of that private schools get to be more selective of the students they admit.
They don’t let any of the shithead kids in public schools have to deal with.
I think 3 things we could do in the US that would help resolve a lot of issues. Reallocate funds, not increase spending, from salaries and budgets that are unreasonable, to teacher, police officers and nurses. Then fix our road infrastructure and invest in farming in the US. I think these changes would see a good shift in the education system, public safety and general health of the US. It would help reduce some of the overall expenses and provide more healthy food options at more reasonable prices. It would also help deflate some of the corruption we see at the top because there is less money in those jobs.
Okay it is actually refreshing to hear Q have an honest conversation with good input. Redemption arc incoming.
One of the most inaccurate stereotypes is that black women aren’t married due to welfare. Black women have always been the most employed women based on a prorata share.
Moreover, I do agree that Black people in general are the most race conscious people because it’s been engrained for hundreds of years. You had to be aware of your race for safety reason. As we move away further away not just from slavery but Jim Crow and hard care racism we may let go of the race consciousness and possibly racism.
Furthermore, what bothers me most is many groups were/are the beneficiaries of affirmative action one of the largest being white women. From the business set asides aspect, grants, scholarships and possibly even university admittance earlier on.
Moynihan's report started those stereotypes about African-American women. Despite being debunked it is nevertheless perpetuated today.
To add to that , people often try to inaccurately use the “No father in the home” narrative when the NoFather In the Home rule was only implemented in 6 states , and only lasted 4 years during the introduction of the welfare program
Watchung destiny play armored core and debate at the same time is crazy
i'm gonna be honest for a second. i have a store and 100% of the Romani kids that have come to my store have tried to steal. 100% of them. Sometimes when they come again they don't but i am still cautious. Now there might be a point in time that one Romani kid won't and hasn't ever stolen and i would still be cautious when he comes to my store. You might say it's ingorant or racist or patern recognition or culture or their living environment and i agree with all of it but it's not my job at that time to think about that. my mind is thinking 100% of them have tried to steal so i'll be cautious because i don;t like my things to be stolen.
At 50:52 when Q asks Destiny if pattern recognition is justified in certain scenarios, and Destiny hesitates.. to me, that's the cause of some of the worst tragedies and injustices against people in this country - police using deadly force against unarmed men, employers shredding resumes of every "Tyrone" they come across, etc. Obviously, it's not an easy topic to discuss or resolve, so I'm not even pointing this out in anger. I just want everyone to know "justified racism" can be extremely harmful.
Last name is a much better indicator of race than first name (which much more indicates class). But when presented with resumès that have different last names (even ones that are mostly black) there is no difference.
@@ludwigvonsowell5347 so per your comment, having a name like Philip Jenkins is a bigger indicator of being a black American than a name like La'Darius Hancock? Not likely.
@@bcd398 64% of La’Dariuses are white, compared to 60% of Jenkins. 30 and 34% respectively are black. Statistically speaking La’Darius Jenkins is a white guy.
Chris (11% black) Washington (90% black) is what you would want to test against something like Chris (79% white) Polanski (100% white).
Mynamestats is the source. Fascinating data.
childhood/teenage years will definitely impact how your future education/career turns out. I'm white and I grew up pretty poor. In my teenage years I hung out with the wrong crowd and got into drugs/crime. Stopped caring about school. Dropped out, did a small amount of time in jail and by the time I was 19 I flipped my life around. I can't imagine how I would of turned out if I was in the same scenario but added guns/gangs into the mix. I grew up with dealers and people that were involved in fights/ guns but stayed away from it. Some people really glorify that life style. The money comes easy. It's hard to go from making hundreds/thousands per day/week from serving fiends and then going into a safe stable job and make a few hundred in a week. Depending on the city/town it can also be difficult to find a decent job for some. If you get wrapped up in that shit and don't have future goals/good education it can be rough to get out of that. Now if you add gangs/violence into that, its a whole new game. I knew all sorts of people with different races that went through this lifestyle so no, im not only says black people.
Is destiny sick?
Yeah. It’s that long swedish flu.
In the head
@@hunterrayfitnessin the bed.
37:11 that is a bit hyperbolic. In the 90s you had De La Soul, InI, A Tribe Called Quest, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Public Enemy, Rass Kass, Rakim, The Roots etc. 90s definitely had a lot of conscious, lyrical, artistic hip hop. It just wasn't mainstream.
Having worked in retail in tampa, as well as having been followed around a store by the employees as a white guy, it's almost always based on clothing or things like a back pack. Walk into a Walmart wearing dirty cloths, and looking around shifty eyed while trying to look like your not looking at the employees, and watch them follow you.
And you literally missed the whole point. A black person can walk in a store dressed perfectly and they will STILL get followed !!!!!!!! If you’re white you have to look like a homeless crackhead for anyone to be suspicious of you. You florida ppl are disappointing af.
RIP TRAYVON MARTIN 🙏
While I do feel like the stereo type of following black people around in stores because they're black this definitely a factor. I live in a majority black country and went into our version of Walmart (Magamart) when I was in HS with a few friends looking to buy some stuff and we realized we were being followed by an employee. I know for a fact that if I went there today in my college uniform that wouldn't happen.
When you’re part of the demographic that commits the most crime, and it’s not even close, you’re going to be treated differently. It sucks if you’re not a scumbag thief, but it has to be understood and empathized with. As an adult man in the childcare field, I have to go out of my way to demonstrate that I’m not a creep, because so many creeps are men. I’m aware and act in a non-threatening manner to help get people to feel more at ease. Should I have to do that any more than a black kid in a store should? No, but it’s understandable and so I act according to that context.
@@Goulash45 “Of the 758 inmates in general, a disproportionate number of both child molesters and rapists were white (n = 171 vs 35 black men).”
How do you feel about this statistic?
@@Goulash45 should we all stop letting white men be alone with children? Since sooooo many of them are pedos?
8:07 Ben Carson got where he is by hard work and perseverance, which completely undermines your thesis.
Affirmative action just cheaps the accomplishments of people like him.
How would you feel if you were always wondering if you got that job based on merit, or if they were just trying to fill a quota?
Anyone who doesn't care doesn't deserve to be in a position like that.
It is a racist policy that treats black people like victims. This is the only example of systematic racism that i can think of in this day and age.
Good convo to hear. I hate that people say don’t have these convos without a black person. I actually like hearing other races talk about black issues in a sensible manner without feeling pressured to be nice when talking in front of a black person
100% Only NPC weird0s drooI out the "you can't talk on this topic because you aren't (insert protected class here)" nonsense.
I never knew Destiny listens to Immortal Technique, that's pretty cool
I always think it’s funny when people reference the proverbial “white guy from Alabama” that’s allegedly never seen a black person before 😂.
One of these days these people will go to the south and boy howdy, are they in for a surprise.
The whole “pattern recognition” conversation to me as someone who works with datasets as it was had here was lacking. The issue is a person could’ve had, coincidentally, 10 black people all rob them at gunpoint and to go on and maintain distance from all black people from then on while understandable from a primal human perspective is still racist because despite all the stats surrounding black crime, it is still the case that it is the vast minority of the black population that actually commits crime, the same as it is the vast minority for any population in the US that commits crime. At that point you’ve made a fallacy of pattern recognition because you’ve operated under an extremely limited dataset, and your experience, while unfortunate, is definitely just anecdotal.
If you lived in the hood ever you’d know that it’s definitely not everyone out there committing crime. People generally know who the criminals and gangbangers are, where they live/like to hang out at, and they stay away. They know that the vast majority of the neighborhood aren’t criminals who are going to rob you or be violent
If you suddenly avoid all black people because of it, then sure, you could say that's bad, but if you just are extra alert when a black person walks past you at night in a dangerous area, nobody loses anything, but you are a little extra safe. Of course, this is just a single factor, and in reality, if a dapper looking black man in a suit was walking past, that's far less likely to be a problem than a guy in a hoodie, covering his face, looking around acting shifty, etc.
The convo wasn't terrible but there were some glaring issues that went unaddressed.
The statement about black people being more racist then whites is false by every metric. You can view hate crime stats, domestic terrorist stats, look at extremeist group membership numbers......all point to white people being more racist.
Next, people are talking about pattern recognition but simultaneously saying black people think everything that happens to them is race related. Clearly overlooking the possibility they meant racist things have in fact happened to them and they are just using pattern recognition to assume that this incident is like the others
Next i often hear how long ago these policies were but if you are in your 30s and mixed when your parents were born it was literally illegal for your parents to marry and when you black parent was born they couldn't legally vote. Redlining and other legal issues literally got identified 20 years after that.
To truly see the effects of something you look to the generation after. The people were impacted by systematic and institutional racism are literally still alive. So these issues aren't ancient or long forgotten.
To put it in perspective mlk would be younger then betty white if he wasn't murdered and he loved through some terrible stuff
People following you around a store isn't a violation of my rights, but to say it isn't an issue is just ridiculous.....
your first points would agree with Destiny. White people are now prone to do the extreme shit while black people are more casually racist. I have no idea though
You're kind of ignoring that "hate crime" reporting is obviously wildly biased. If you want to see racism levels, you can look at discrimination experiments. You can also literally just ask. We consistently see that blacks are very pro-black and consistently slightly anti-white, whereas whites fail to show any level of pro-white discrimination. "For White participants (n=10435), pooled results did not detect a net discrimination for or against White targets, but, for Black participants (n=2781), pooled results indicated the presence of a small-to-moderate net discrimination in favor of Black targets". From "Black and White discrimination in the United States: Evidence from an archive of survey experiment studies".
@@Bridge2110The hate crime bias comment is on point. Pretty much every assault on Asians during the "Stop Asian hate" campaign was perpetuated by black people yet they tried to spin a narrative that it was white supremacy related. The same with the constant assaulting of Jews in New York.
Ok, thing is that if you model economic class as a markov chain, with bigger chance of staying poor if you are born poor and of staying rich if you are born rich, black people fon't need a push forward, they just need time, it's called mixing time. As long as we keep racist laws and bias as much out of the way as possible, things should get considerably better in just a few generations.
Man this was such a good conversation until i heard vegan gaines voice 🤦🏾♂️
Actually hearing a chill qorantos was so refreshing, great content from both destiny and q
The one time Vegan Gaines isn't being completely insufferable, Destiny has to cut the conversation off early. I guess we can't get too used to normal conversation with him.
The f'ing stupidity about arguing to cut off funding for Ukraine to do more spending internally, is that the USA has had 30 years to fund the pet projects people want money spent on, and there hasn't been political will to spend ANY of that money in the USA in those 30 years. Defunding Ukraine 1) wouldn't do fk for USA spending because we just proved over 30 years we wouldn't spend that money even if we had it 2) You can't spend cluster bombs to fund a midwest school. You can't spend Abrams tanks to build a new bridge. Tons of the raw aid we've provided has been military junk that we will never use now, and in fact would have had to PAY to dispose of.
A conversation that even Destiny struggles to have. Women judge men the way people judge other races and everybody just seems to be okay with that. Definitely just double standards. No easy way out it seems to be.
Men judge women too, it's a problem both ways though I agree.
Both make sense
Can Destiny have people of color in discord that actually have a level of intelligence to effectively portray their point and stance on topics. Everyone seems either nervous or super illiterate. Not one person hit the important topics here. Constantly throughout Im hearing contradictory solutions that are used to dissolve other peoples arguments or takes on the subject.
Is it just me or does destiny need a big cough to clear his throat
Yeah, I think he’s coming down with something
Top notch editing in the beginning with the subs. Mad Monogatari series vibes
When the demand for racism outstrips supply...
Jesus christ the volume mixing between the normal conversation and the music references is fucking atrocious, just wanna listen to Destiny have a conversation before bed and August is over here waking up my whole family, the next door neighbors and every dog in a 3 mile radius rather than just equalizing a bit.
Love you August, don't do that again please.
vegan gains pops in at 54:20 to ruin the conversation
Edit: lol he got scammed over the phone by someone pretending to be his bank
He got scammed so he feels it’s okay to discriminate against Indians, but doesn’t want to admit this opens the floor to discriminate against black people lol.
Great discussion and great points made here but it’s so problematic that nobody is pointing out the fact that the majority of black Americans today are not living in poverty. The poor class in black America is much smaller than the majorly which are middle and upper class. Please stop repeating the poverty line with black Americans. It just makes it appear as if most black people are still in the poverty state and not achieving at all.
I agree with Q on that last debate. And it’s blowing my mind. Store owner is def acting racist following black patrons.
Yeah I guess you should let them steal from your store and destroy your dream of being financially independent. I thought they supported black owned businesses and economies. But why are they stealing from non black owned shops???
@@Whydoyouneedtoknow776 black ppl should honestly burn this entire country to the ground for what has been done to them and their families. They have had EVERYTHING stolen from them.
@@-----GOD-----yea the store owner didn't create that pattern, the institution that is America created that pattern. So is America the real racist 😮😮
@@-----GOD-----i think humans have a responsibility to shunt their negative animalistic traits and replace them with our unique conscious abilities. we may have some semi-instinctual inclination to pattern recognize, but we also have the ability to critically think which ought to be the expectation
@@Whydoyouneedtoknow776so real, the only way to stop thieves is totally to follow them around. everyone knows cameras and shit r not real
History shows destiny is wrong here.
Poverty has been a factor for black households for ages. The problem of crime is new.
Fatherless ness is not 5% it’s like 50%
what game is destiny playing?
Armored Core 6
@@lordmew5 thanks
This is really my favorite middle ground content creator. I don't know if their any more and i rather not search.
Q is actually very insightful in this conversation and asked Destiny some very hard questions. Vegan Gains however, I actually thought he might've been kinda smart before this, but if he had any credibility before this it has to have TANKED, he was just bringing nothing to the conversation.
I think the problem with overfunded schools is that they don't put the money in education. Instead they put it in security and reparations. But it is because they have to and not because they have a choice.
This is the only time I've ever heard Vegan Gains say anything remotely reasonable.
I disagree. He basically made the argument that it’s perfectly fine for regular citizens to use personal experience and data to discriminate against people based on their race and it not be considered racism, but it is racist for cops to do the exact same thing. I don’t see how one could be considered racism but not the other. Either both are morally wrong or neither is wrong.
@@bigben3089 someone from the same area as vegan gains I can say that almost every company I call has indian people as legitimate customer support and that I frequently get scam calls (lets say once a month) and a very small portion of the callers are indians, most just sound like regular americans so I'm pretty sure hes just being racist lol
@@bigben3089 Most of vegan gains talking points here are retarded but there is absolutely a difference between the moral actions of a private individual and state law enforcement.
Wud he say?
@@09f9 obviously from a legal standpoint, but not from a moral standpoint. If it is ok for regular people to use their personal experience and data collection to better protect themselves from people of another race, it should be completely morally ok for cops to do that to. You can’t make the argument that it’s morally fine for someone to follow a black person around their store to make sure they don’t steal anything just because they’ve had black people steal from them in the past, but then immediately say that a cop racially profiling someone based off their past experiences and the data they have collected is racist and wrong. That’s the exact argument that vegan gains is making and it’s ridiculous.
I’m not black I’m Somali is crazy. Somalis are black but not African American. Ignorant ppl don’t know the difference between race/ethnicity
Thomas Sowell has written about this issue at length. I'd recommend reading any number of his books as it will at the bare minimum open the doors to a broader understanding of this issue.
Thomas Sowell is 100% neoconservative propaganda.
This.
White liberals and black red necks?
read the black rednecks one
The problem is so many people today have these preconceived notions about anyone or anything that’s producing views different from their own. So getting someone with opposing viewpoints to watch or read something that they don’t agree with is almost impossible these days. It’s honestly sad just how dumb people have gotten while thinking they’re actually smart.
@Destiny, as a musician, you have to know that Black Americans created the only original western musical art form that exists in the United States in Jazz music and that music was created by people in poverty and living under much more significant racial oppression than exists today. The greatest instrumentalists in American music. The blues and Gospel music and essentially almost everything that led up to popular music today was created by that group of people and it was actually a great beauty and significance and culture within those forms. Please dont denigrate the history of African Americans by describing them as culture less of reducing their contribution to the arts down to rap music and the lowest common denominator. We have a significant culture and value system that shouldn't be reduced down to or defined b the street culture we see today.
The brain operates on patterns and pattern recognition. It isn't racist, and it isn't justified for a person to experience a pattern and act in a way such that the pattern is correct judgement, it's unavoidable, it's literally not a conscious decision, people don't conscientiously choose to identify a threat, that's why when there's a loud noise in a horror movie, you consciously are aware it is just a loud noise and not scary, but your brain automatically responded on the fact usually loud noises mean danger and so you reacted.
If every time I walk down the street and see a black person and they punch me in the mouth, I am not consciously deciding I hate black people and they are vicious mouth punchers, but my brain with instruct me to avoid them if in walking down the street.
You see this with victims of SA, they don't hate the opposite sex that SAd them, but they can have a trauma response if they are around.
Isn’t this a naturalistic fallacy? Just because something is natural doesn’t mean it’s moral or justified. To me it comes down to probability. If you know the odds of having a bad encounter with a black person are low but still react like you’ve seen a ghost every time you see one, it’s racist. Because the vast majority of that group doesn’t commit crime, to have a fear response is irrational and should be tamed. It’s all about the odds ratio. White people commit more crime than Asians, so should Asians be afraid of whites? No. And to me that’s the key marker of racism: I.e irrationality. I’m not going to freak out or feel high levels of fear every time I see a homeless person just because the risk of something bad occurring with them is slightly higher than encounters with a regular person… why? Again it’s because I know the odds ratio is too low to have any practical effect on me. If eating X food doubles my odds of getting disease Y from 1%-2% I’m not going to freak out about that
I agree with the premise and the theoretical every black guy punched me in the mouth before scenario, unfortunately, some people act like they’ve had countless bad interactions with black people when they really haven’t. It could be that by watching negative interactions in media, we internalize those as our own interactions and act accordingly, but that seems less justifiable. Then we could blame the media for cooking up those interactions, but the media only creates things that garner high viewership, so then it’s the audience that demands these interactions.
@@therealtigertalk it's not a naturalistic fallacy, I'm not appealing to some unknowable unverifiable biological imperative our unga Bunga cave men ancestors operated on and thus affects us. I'm referring to verifiable autonomic and neurological reactions within our brain processes. It's no more naturalistic as to say illusions aren't real it's our brain making up movement or confusion images and motion because of a different form of pattern recognition.
I'm referring to autonomic subconscious responses, these are akin to trauma responses. There's a difference between a conscious bias vs a bias of pattern. There are people who have had no negative interactions with a certain group, but maybe they see news stories, or their parents said things or any other negatives towards that group they became consciously informed of, that person has no neurological pattern being identified subconsciously and they likely have a conscious bias against that group.
Another person may have had nothing but negative interactions with a group, but they read plenty of good about others within that group, and other positives about them, that person likely has a conscious thought that they aren't bad people, but there is an autonomic response caused by the brain having negative interactions with the group which results in that person avoiding them or any other kind of biases subconsciously against them.
Conscious vs subconscious bias, you have literally no way to control subconscious bias, even if you consciously aware it is not universally correct.
The difference between appeals to nature and statements of modern function of the brain, is that appeals to nature are appeals to things that are not the current human behaviour and biologic processes, appealing to neurological processes that we know exist isn't a fallacy because it's not appealing to anything other than identified traits within the brain.
@@CrispySenpai This is relevant to my reply to the other guy, but it's the difference between a conscious bias and an autonomic one that the brain created through patterns.
If you see many negatives in the media or are told negatives, that's you consciously being made aware of negatives, your bias in this case wouldn't be a pattern or an autonomic response your body has, but rather a conscious one. The information you gathered required you read, or listen, or identify other people's negative interactions, rather than experience them, and that's a different path for the brain to follow to create your own negative pattern. It's like the difference between watching a horror movie and being a victim of some form of assault: you don't get any trauma response from watching a horror movie and seeing something resembling a scary scene, because you were consciously informed of the scary event, but you might be consciously scared of it. Whereas someone who was a victim of some form of assault, they are fairly likely to have some trauma response and will have some autonomic responses their body has to it, even if they consciously are aware it is no threat.
That's why I say people who had negative interactions with a certain group literally cannot change their behaviour regarding avoidance or caution because it's the body's autonomic responses, even if they may be consciously aware there is no threat or their subconscious bias is wrong.
Dude pattern recognition is quite useless if you don't analysse the root cause of the pattern. That is like going ro a doctor to get diagnosis and not for the treatment of the illness.
What happened to Destiny's voice? What has she been doing with her throat?
hi destiny! just wanted to let you know i love what you do as a a conservative i actually love your talking points more than far right channels and have opened me up to more thoughts keep it up
ahahaha bro
Based
based, open minded king
True sigma mentality 🗿🗿🗿
That’s cuz he’s actually a conservative disguised as a lib. Literally the definition of what Malcom x was referring to
Bruh so many people have said slavery is a mindset. Why are we attributing it to Kanye? Destiny's hip-hop history is weak. He's right that rap has progressed, but he doesn't seem to know about the communal efforts hip-hop has contributed for decades
Poor destiny. He think it was only gangsta rap in the 90's
He's not completely wrong tho people like nas, tribe, doom ect weren't as prevalent as pac, jay and big where as now you can argue kendrick and cole are as popular or more than gangsta rap
It's the only rap anybody gave a damn about
@@Zach0451 false
@@michaelmaddox2536 OK Skee-Lo
@@tehronmoment1367 Nas still rapped about being hard and a drealer/hustler though. lol.
But yes I agree, there has been a paradigm shift.
Wu-Tang, Jay-z, UGK, Three 6 Mafia, 2pac, Biggie, Nas, Snoop, Dre, Eazy-E, Ice Cube, Eminem, DMX, DJ Quik and Big Pun were probably the biggest rappers of the 90's... and their most popular stuff wasn't very positive to say the least.
You had a few outliers though, like Tribe, Outkast (though you could argue Big Boi rapped about pimping/hustling a lot), Missy Eliott and Mase/Diddy.
But overall, the 90's rap culture was very street and violent, it was corny to be positive.
In todays time, guys like Drake, J. Cole, Kendrick, Baby Keem, Asap Rocky, Travis Scott, and Tyler The Creator... are some of the biggest rappers and don't make violent street music.
I think the issue here is the word racism nowadays is just overused to describe so many different things. For once I think vegangains actually was right when he said that racism is (or at least should be) something to describe someone who believes they're superior than another race or races. A better word to describe what's being talked about is prejudice. You can have a prejudice against a certain group of people, but still not be racist.
I disagree, you can’t have have prejudice without racism. In regards to race ofc
@@ACE_CMH What is racism to you? Is it just discrimination against a certain race of people? Or is it an ideology that your race is superior over another race? If racism describes both of these things, how do we distinguish between the two?
I don't see how it is impossible for someone to have a prejudice against a certain race (i.e. following a black person around a store rather than the 3 other white guys that came in with him) without feeling like they're necessarily superior over that race. Isn't it possible that this person could believe that his own race is also capable of stealing from him, but that more likely than not it'll be the black person? I guess that's still kind of feeling superior in a way... but its different than thinking what most white supremist do isn't it?
@@zeekawesomecus917subcategories of racism.
The last sentence you put was what I was mainly referring to. If you target one race in group because of previous experiences then you view that race as less responsible/more dangerous when compared to the other races in that group. Its not as bad as a white supremacist but it’s still racist.
This will just outline how "whites" are the least racist people of all time, all racist except western "whites" view themselves as superior to the other
crazy how good a conversation can be when you aren't screaming, insulting and being bad faith.
No screaming? I am out
My biggest issue with affirmative action, and no one ever addresses it, is it assumes all white ppl are middle or upper class.
People really need to start taking time into consideration when having these arguments. Black people always having an excuse for the economic position we’re in? Do people really expect an entire community to become well off within one lifetime of being considered full citizens? We have only had open access to education and the professional world for like two thirds of a lifetime. This idea that all black people are supposed to have caught up in that time is mind boggling. Makes no sense.
And if they really cared they’d pay the debt they owe but they won’t because this country needs a permanent underclass to eat the failure. Black people..
Every bit of progress blk people make they come and knock it down. Now they are attacking grants that are here to help small blk women business owners. There is always an attack on us in this country and until this country makes good it’s going to continue to fail. America is crumbling right before our eyes and the systems that created it are crippling it. Racism and hatred.
Burn baby burn 🔥 🔥🔥
Weird, because many black people have caught up if not surpassed the norm. You are a racist to assume black people are too dumb to succeed despite circumstances
100% agree.
Black people have actually out-earned whites since the 80s, once you control for IQ. It's relatively well-known that generational wealth has practically no effects past 2 generations, so yes, it is entirely rational to expect blacks to be as well off as they should be based on merit.
Funny listening to a Somalian criticize the American government and American social structures.
If you want to help Black Americans all you have to do is help Black Americans. Affirmative action was perfectly fine until they watered it down from an action to repair the damage of racism to a catchall for minority groups. White woman benefits the most from affirmative action. Lgbtqia members are considered minorities, disabled people, and people of color or anybody not considered white. As far as a good education, health, infrastructure etc, those are things that should be fair and equitable no matter the community. I shouldn't feel the need to go an extra 10- 20 miles outside of my community for a better education or health outcome.
Food deserts, health deserts yeah.
I think I got dumber reading your post. What are you trying to say?
@@LewisB3217 just too many half measures and then patting each other on the back over symbolism like statues of black people or holidays.
@@starlord157 which part do you not understand?
@@shanonsugges2894 the middle part. Reads like a run on sentence. Maybe use some commas or something to break it up and make it easier to understand?
Serious question to any Somali person who sees this and wants to respond. Somali people aren't black?
Customer support doesn't have issues with Indian people because the customer is calling in to get help, they dgaf as long as they can understand. For sales and cold calling in general you definitely get more Latin Americans or other non-Indian people because having an accent is not nearly as bad as having a bit of an Indian accent because of what Destiny mentioned where getting calls from an Indian person immediately makes you think of a scam
Source: Worked at a bunch of call centers, many which had us transferring and getting calls transferred from a bunch of other countries
Also, I do the same thing VeganGains does with his bank with pretty much anything. If I get a call from a bank or telephone company or any place that might handle important data of mine I just tell them I'm going to call in myself as a safety measure, I feel like everyone should get in the habit of doing the same
49:18
such a great point with the added "and I am a pedophile so I don't care" was amazing
I don't think it's really that fair to say that all white people have a 300-year head start. So for example if the government colluded to ship the industry jobs in your state out of the country, and was complicit in the opioid epidemic that took away your parents, did you really have a 300-year head start? I think lifting everyone up at the same time will always sell better, and it's really better in general.
Its weird that Destiny was a music major but doesn't know about conscious rap of the 90s i.e. Common, Mos Def, Talib kweli, De La soul, poor righteous teachers ETC. Its a massive hole in his arguments about the "culture".
True, its weird cause hes admitted before he doesnt listen to rap besides kanye, but now he acts like hes 100% right
3rd Eye Vision by Hieroglyphics is a banger album, check it out if you haven't before. Conscious rappers are cool but I specifically like a dude such as Del who can infuse it with surreal sci-fi imagery and clever, catchy songwriting. His Deltron 3030 album is one of my favorites across any style of music.
@@jamesmcmackin8773big up, I gotta check the whole album some time
I saw de la soul live in 94 or 95 during a blizzard. Almost no one showed.
nice@@AliceBowie
25:18 if we could spend less money, that would be great, but if they are so intent on spending money, I'd much rather see Hawaiians get $80 billion
Than Zellenskyy's Ukrainian war effort. What wrong with that?
Putting Americans first, what a tyrannical concept.
dgg chat is 10000000 times better than Kick chat
True
Is youtube chat better tho?
Yt chat is better and more
Politically diverse
@@ZixZone 🤝
Yo dude I am listening but also super mad that youre killing this game like this. That cpt1 boss was brutal. Im watching your ACVI skills and just tacetly listening lol
I feel like the complexity of thinking that Destiny encourages is really important and he is incredibly good at it. Doesn't include the hours of incredibly immature conversations with people all airing their dirty laundry that lead to this conversation. I just don't understand continually asking others to think critically about situations and having that be what you promote as your content to everyone while encouraging the immature nature of the conflicts you purposefully encourage to lead you to these topics you eventually make videos out of.
i mean he also does love talking to unhinged niggas and exploring their brains , more balance would b cool but the entertainment from the nutty ass interactions are fucking hilarious ngl
Yeah, the complexity of completely misrepresenting the opposing political ideology to yours, then saying retarded things about what that group thinks/wants. Deep shit.
One form of content is more entertaining and makes more money
lmao. Predejuice against race is racism lmao. A person is not a collective. They are an individual. Treat them as such. Pattern recognition not because of race, but because of location is not racist. Pattern recognition because of culture or race is racism lmao. You can be predejuice against a location understanding that a gang exists in the neighborhood agnostic of who they might be is not racist. Vegan gains is racist tho for connecting it to culture and skin color lmao.
august i love you so much for putting dgg chat on the screen bless up
Yes! This is the only request I’d ever make.
More DGG chat
is DDG chat on left or right
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Soy spinning Charmander vs. Gigachad CheekerZ
@@deagle2yadome696 right
What if, black people, hear me out, helped themselves.
Helped themselves to your livelihood?
Pretty hard for them to do that when white people are teaching us that slavery was good
@@vh9network Well that just seems uncivil and completely incompatible with Western values partner. 🤠
What if, white people, hear me out, stopped locking up black people, denying them loans/jobs...
@@rhetoricallydefective then there lies the answer to why your hypothetical doesn't work for Black people. You admit that Western values, i.e. the system in place prevents it from happening.
Very interesting how as much as you folks try to dance around this topic, the LORD our God made perfectly simple for you all to understand why.
Most countries have very complicated race issues going on (as a Canadian we're not exempt from that), but there's something about America's in particular that seems uncleanable.
It’s uncleanable because racism (against black folk) was literally baked into the system. The constitution literally says that Africans are 3/5th human. The only reason other races have wealth is because Africans were denied the ability to have wealth.
Why? Having lived in multiple countries across this planet, America is the only country that actually faces its problem head on. Clean? You can't clean a mess you don't acknowledge exists. The rest of the planet just wants to sweep it under the rug. And then you wonder wtf is happening when you have shit like the 2nd gen Kurds and Arabs in Sweden fucking shit up. Or the otherization of Turks in Germany. Russia sending ethnic Siberians to get slaughtered in imperial invasions. The cluster fuck that is South Africa. Whatever the fuck you all have going on with French Canada. The list goes on. You only feel clean because you aren't being forced to look at your mess.
Could be because the American racist past is quite recent and because the country, as a whole, is trying to grapple with how to go about it (which is more than what you can say for other countries). Also, it's at the forefront of most cultural issues here where it's highly televised, and again, the wounds are quite fresh.
It's only "uncleanable" because people don't want it to be cleaned
@@Sid00077 Its recent everywhere. Every country is currently, now today, at this second, dealing with racist bullshit.
I think stereotyping is inevitable, but the truth is there are far better characteristics than race.
Honestly I've consistently thought Q is by far destiny's best orbiter, he can navigate serious convos in a meaningful way, he can do extremely heated debate fights in an entertaining way, AND he can do joke meme chaos shit really really well. I think it's evident destiny also thinks Q is a very intelligent and industrious person otherwise why platform him SO MUCH, start a show with him and even the way he engages with him(here he explains a couple US legal concepts so that Q can follow the convo easier and expects him to be able to understand the concept and apply it in the convo quickly) just shows he thinks Q gets it more than other orbiters like Darius for example who is clearly like mentally challenged in most convos and doesn't get treated as an equal.
I sometimes can't tell if people constantly shitting on him is serious or just a meme. For people that seriously don't like him it makes me think they are stupid.
We are so back
"just give [Blacks] all the money ever" - so what's already happening
The mold is spreading to your brain
why is blacks in brackets
Black culture just needs a big fix overall
No racism we just need 20 random people from each race and have a cook out ❤
Once per year event showing love to everyone
@@Nikita_Runayes but black people have to be in charge of grilling😅😅😅
@@Logicalizationno thank you, i prefer my chicken without dish soap
@@JerryBarclaw I’m not even black. Just wanted to race bait. ☺️
I really think a lot more of this has to do with subcultures rather than straight-up race. If a black guy dressed up in a nice suit, who sounded like just every other typical businessman came up to my door, I'd not think anything of it. However, if a white dude was dressed up like a gangsta wannabe, with do-rag, sagging pants, and a grill, speaking like he's from ghetto, I'm not answering and I'm gonna think of unlocking that gun-safe, just in case. If you dress like a thug, talk like a thug, walk like a thug... you're probably a thug. if you dress and speak like a respectable adult just going about your daily business and no one is going to bat an eye.
For some reason it’s “racist” to say that though, as if any of the super “woke” lefty TH-camrs would wanna live around rampant crime. 🙄
Americans focus on race so much more than anywhere else in the world that I have been to.
You haven’t been anywhere then
@@OMAR-vk9pi I've been to way more places than you. Most other countries talk about nationality rather than race.
@@robkennedy5906 Its otherization by a different measures. Same shit outcomes. Race is simply the mark in the US because all but 3% of the population are from a foreign lineage. Nationality is almost irrelevant in the US because its a marker of little informational value.
@@robkennedy5906that's quite an assumption
That's because America is one of the most ethnically, racially and culturally diverse countries in the world. They've taken in so many immigrants over the years that it has changed their politics/way of life in a sense. The country is the melting pot of the world, of course race is going to be a more prevalent topic than in other countries, most countries are a lot more ethnically homogenous and don't have anywhere near as much immigration, so i'm not sure how you're even attempting to make a comparison here.
Destiny lost his voice screaming the nword in private with Dick Masterson.
I feel like the extra wariness a store owner has around black people when there is a history of only black people shoplifting is probably a bit racist, but also when limited to potential customers in the store is probably justified.
It’s just that as soon as that stereotype and wariness is expanded to black people in different areas or just in general, it’s almost certainly unjustified/irrational racism
If you treat all black people entering the store as a thief then why would you trust them in other contexts because when would you trust a thief
@@mechaux1 I kinda agree with what Q was saying, it’s probably that there’s a more run down area nearby which is majority black. So when you have more wariness for those people its because them being black suggests they’re from that area.
It probably is a bit racist and probably shouldn’t be encouraged but I think it’s like Destiny’s comparison to women sometimes being sexist and that the line sometimes can be blurry
Edit: also it’s not treating black people like thieves cuz you just wouldn’t let thieves in your store, if you had 2 security guards right behind every black person that would also not be okay because I see that as a much larger action for the detriment of probably an innocent person where I would assume the majority of black customers aren’t shoplifting
@mechaux1 let's say black people are 10 times more likely to shoplift from a store than whites.
Now let's assume the white shoplifting rate is 1 shoplifter per 1000 people.
The chance the typical white person is a shoplifter is .1% of white people. And blacks? 1% of black people.
In this case 99+ % of both populations are not shoplifters. So it makes more sense to not assume blacks writ large are thieves.
I disagree with Destiny's take on the legion thing. He had said ""This whole new legion of black zoomer streamers...for as much as they talk about how all white people only scream at the camera, I feel like that's all these guys do..."
I don't think him using the term legion is what people were mad about. I think it was the fact that he used two examples of black zoomers streamers that yell to basically describe black zoomer streamers as a whole.
But is there not a new group of black streamers? It’s not just 2 black streamers it’s all of amp speed and even more
@@star-1814 Destiny only gave two examples when pressed on examples, and those were individuals he did not know and only saw a few clips of. There are most likely more. However, Destiny did not know of any and then stated that what he said was just a throwaway comment that he did not really put that much thought into. Also, just so you know, I am not calling Destiny a racist nor justifying why people go so mad about a throwaway comment of his. I just wanted to better explain why they were mad.
For sure. Even his definition of Zoomer was wildly incorrect. I know he didn't mean anything crazy by it but it is ironic when all he and his orbiters do is yell.
@@bruh-tq2pw Are most of Cenat's audience streamers? Because I think he was specifically talking about black zoomer streamers.
Bro people literally tried to say the word "legion" was racist. You are revising history.
Yo August, in the future can you please add chapter titles called "Vegan Gains joins the call" & "Vegan Gains leaves the call" so I know which part to skip?
Much appreciated buddy