Is kato still good for $100? Or should I just save up and go straight for origin? I already own dunu titan s and etymotic er2se and I really love listening to female vocals
Nice discussion. Sounds like the hype is real. I’m a B2 lover/owner too. If you’ve heard the Meze Advar or Sennheiser IE900, would the Origin trade blows with them or be pretty close to them?
I am familiar with the Sennheiser IE900. First of all, the tuning is different. I would say the Origin has a more balanced and neutral tuning. The IE900 has much more bass and sub-bass than the Origin, along with better imaging and soundstage. The Origin has better mids because I feel the mids on the IE900 are a bit recessed to my liking. For clarity and detail, the IE900 wins. Is the Origin close to the IE900? No. But still, the Origin has one of the best details and clean presentation under $1000. It could beat the Blessing and trade blows with the Variations and some planars (except the bass and sub-bass) But over $1000, there are many choices that are truly impressive like the IE900. I haven't heard the Advar so can't comment. Hope this is helpful.
Hello, I am undecided between the Origin and the B3. Which would be the most similar to the s8? My interest is in the naturalness of female voices, details and the soundstage. I have the S8 but I want something that I can take to the office without so much worry.
Oh wow a reviewer that I can relate to. Looking forward to you getting sponsored by the usual chifi companies. Most likely you dont have but if you do any comparison to Final A5000 or Fiio FD7 since those 2 are my gold standards for single DD. That being said you sold me on blind buying the origin since it sounds like my kind of jam unlike gizaudio.
Thanks for the kind words. The FD7 is more detailed, but I prefer the vocals on the Origin compared to the FD7. Unfortunately, I don't have the Final A5000, so I can't comment on that.
@@Atechreviews Went down to my local store today to demo the origin. I like that tanchjim is doing its own thing but smooth to the point of smoldering out microdetails is quite annoying to my ears. That being said it still sounds very nice and is for muh timbre folks out there. But Im still glad that tanchjim released the origin since I know a few people that I can rec this iem to. With relation to the other vid no need to buy the performer 5 just for a compison unless AFUL can send you one for review.
@@llysender Really? Interesting. Which tips did you use? and what source? I was not impressed with the stock tips, but the they completely transform with the render tips, perhaps you could give that a try. Performer 5 is already bought :)
@@Atechreviews I demoed with both the included bass then treble tips with the moonriver Ti and then the Hiby R6 pro 2. While the treble tips was able to give a cleaner presentation the fine details seemed to be all missing. Will give it another try with the symbio mandrins(the closest hybrid tips I have) when I get the chance to go back down to the store.
The EA1000 has more sub-bass and bass, and it could sound harsh sometimes depending on what you are listening to and the volume. Vocals are slightly warmer due to the bass. The Origin has the upper hand in soundstage, imaging, and superb technicalities. The Origin also sounds more natural to me. Both are excellent IEMs, and you will be happy with either of them.
Better than the Blessing 2 and Oxygen, that's huge! Quiet a statement saying the best under $1000. Interesting indeed. Nice review and keep them coming. Cheers.
Hey @pickcick1580 I said it ONE of the best under $1000. It is that good in my opinion. It is much better than the Oxygen & Blessing 2, like way better. Cheers.
Hi. May I have some questions? I'm using Whizzer HE10 (some kind of Harman-tuned target) and really don't like its sound. Too much bass and not very good at mid. Should I upgrade to the Origin and Endgame with it? Or should I buy something just a bit more like Moondrop Kato? I pretty much prefer to hear both male and female vocal and acoustic instruments.
If you're after good bass, the Kato is a great choice. On the other hand, the Origin has more detail and better separation, with a focus on the mid-range, but it has slightly less bass than the Kato. Choose based on what matters most to you.
Would you recommend the render ear tips over the dunu s&s eartips? Im in europe and the render ear tips are kinda hard to get which is why I would like to order the dunu s&s. But if you say the render ear tips are more worth it then I‘ll try to get those.
No, I believe the DUNU S&S are better. I use the DUNU S&S tips because they provide excellent comfort and bring out a lot of detail. They sound transparent, almost as if they're not there, allowing more sound to come through. I can wear them for hours without any discomfort. I use the Render tips mainly as a higher-quality replacement for foam tips. They are excellent for IEMs with small peaks, as they remove edginess and offer great noise isolation, while being easier to use and more comfortable than foam tips. Between the two, I would choose the DUNU S&S. I just use the Render tips with some IEMs (Blessing 2, Origin, Nova) because I feel they sound better with them. That's all.
Have you tried D-Fi switch? Do you think the Origin is a direct upgrade of the D-Fi from the tonality? Because i really like the vocal sweetness of the D-Fi
Friend, thanks for the review. Please tell me, if I already have Tanchjim Oxygen, should I change them to Tanchjim Origin? Or maybe change them to Moondrop Kato?
You're welcome. The Tanchjim Origin represents an improvement over the Oxygen, particularly in resolution, technical capabilities, and detail retrieval. On the other hand, the Kato would be more of a side grade, not an upgrade compared to the Oxygen. In my view, it's not superior to the Oxygen but offers a slightly different sound.
Big statement about saying that. Now I'm fight about choosing between Blessing3 and origin. B3 lookslike better（imo）but is almost 100$ higher than origin. Also, B3 has some DD for details but your statement make me struggle. I've already experienced Audio Dream IEM with EST that costs around 5~8k$（no kidding）but I didn't find it good, may my adrenaline made me not fell totally. As a some low income brazilian, I'm struggling to choose my next budget from kato. As a DD lover, it makes my mind bubble.
@@Eric_Japa_ Ah, I Understand. If I remember correctly, I said that it is ONE of the best under 1K. This is mainly because of its clarity, detail retrieval, and overall balanced sound signature. S8 and Variations are also some of the best IEMs under 1K IMHO. Hope this clears things up :)
I appreciate your feedback and thumbs up for the calm intonation :) It's interesting how our individual preferences shape our listening experiences. While the bass on the Kato is excellent, I found the "bass" fatiguing and needed to take breaks or reduce the bass, which is a valid approach that worked for me. In my experience, the Tanchjim Origin surpasses the Blessing 2 and Oxygen in every aspect. From bass response to vocal clarity, accuracy, detail, instrument separation, and imaging, the Origin shines. While I understand this may be a controversial statement, I am confident in my assessment based on what I've heard. I use the Tanchjim Origin daily and my opinion remains unchanged. I encourage you to give them a listen and share your thoughts. I believe you will be pleasantly surprised by their performance.
The Origin is an improvement over the Nova in terms of clarity, detail retrieval, and instrument separation. However, it has less bass, particularly in the sub-bass region. Apart from that, they share a similar tonality.
@DominikPhilipp1 Sorry for my late reply. The nozzle diameter of the Tanchjim Origin is 0.24 inches or 6.1mm. In comparison, the nozzle diameter of the Tanchjim Oxygen is 5.9mm. The Moondrop Kato is 5.7mm, and the Moondrop Blessing 2 is 6.5mm.
@deparoo The Tanchjim Origin is slightly heavier than the Moondrop Kato. I weighed them for you to be sure. Right side, no ear tip: Kato = 11.7 grams Origin = 13.7 grams Hope this was helpful. Cheers
@bestcocbaseswithlink5069 TLDR they're good. it's good, exactly how I expected it to be. Very natural sounding, a bit lighter on the bass compared to kato but I could wear it all day I mean like 5 to 6 hours straight, thanks to the way it's shaped. Katos I have to take off after a couple of hours cause they start feeling heavy in my ears even though origins are a bit heavier in weight but in my ears much more comfortable becauseof the way it'sshaped. When a track have bass it shows I can feel the bass but if the track is bass light it's how it portrays it as it is, great texture, great impact. Vocals are clean too female vocals like Ariana Grande don't sound shouty male vocals like Vessel from Sleep token still got that good deep vocals to it too. Never heard of the OG Oxygen but got OlinaSE, I can say Origins are definitely upgrade to the OlinaSE and a side grade to Kato but I'd take Origins over Katos for the comfort as I mentioned. And not as sizzling as Katos on the high hats and cymbals but still come across as how you'd hear it in real life. When I first listened to Origins it came across as boring but that's exactly what I'm looking for cause in my experience if an iem excels in one thing like bass heavy or treble shiny it doesn't stay in my ears for long cause of fatigue. Bass can be fatiguing as well. HBB undersold them I think he should give it another listen imo.
Hello there! The soundstage of the Tanchjim Origin is within the average range for an IEM. However, its standout feature lies in its exceptional imaging capabilities. This IEM excels at precisely placing instruments and vocals, providing a highly engaging and immersive listening experience.
The soundstage of the Tanchjim Origin is spacious for an IEM. It provides a clear sense of depth and accurate placement of instruments and vocals. This performance is particularly impressive given its price.
I would say it is extremely close. The Blessing 3 has better sub-bass and slightly more accurate imaging. For everything else, they are on the same level.
@andresa1759 The fit depends on your ear and choice of ear tips. I compared them using a few ear tips, silicon, foam, and hybrid. For me, the Origin has a much better fit, comfort, and noise isolation compared to the Oxygen. The Origin has a longer nozzle which allows the ear piece to stay more outside of the ear, improving the fit and isolation.
In my opinion yes. The Tanchjim Origin has a cleaner, more textured bass, smoother treble, and better overall detail retrieval. I like the EA1000, but if I had to choose, I would pick the origin.
I listen to the Tanchjim Origin daily, and thankfully I didn't encounter any driver flex. There is a vent on each side that should minimize the chances of that happening, but that's not a guarantee. I will let you know if it happens to my Tanchjim Origin.
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It's only a single DD,not 2DD
@naren.freak1c That is correct. It is a single dynamic driver with two cavities and two magnets.
Agreed, these are one of the best iems especially in terms of treble extension while providing a non fatiguing sound.
Absolutely! 👍
Great comparison review. Very helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
I have the Oxygens and I guess now I will buy the Origins.
Thanks
Same here
You're welcome @TrevorDodd-ev1sx. Hope you enjoy them
Is kato still good for $100? Or should I just save up and go straight for origin? I already own dunu titan s and etymotic er2se and I really love listening to female vocals
Kato is good but the mid-range sounds thicker due to the bass. Origin is better for female vocals.
Nice discussion. Sounds like the hype is real. I’m a B2 lover/owner too. If you’ve heard the Meze Advar or Sennheiser IE900, would the Origin trade blows with them or be pretty close to them?
I am familiar with the Sennheiser IE900. First of all, the tuning is different. I would say the Origin has a more balanced and neutral tuning. The IE900 has much more bass and sub-bass than the Origin, along with better imaging and soundstage.
The Origin has better mids because I feel the mids on the IE900 are a bit recessed to my liking.
For clarity and detail, the IE900 wins.
Is the Origin close to the IE900? No. But still, the Origin has one of the best details and clean presentation under $1000.
It could beat the Blessing and trade blows with the Variations and some planars (except the bass and sub-bass)
But over $1000, there are many choices that are truly impressive like the IE900.
I haven't heard the Advar so can't comment.
Hope this is helpful.
Hello, I am undecided between the Origin and the B3. Which would be the most similar to the s8? My interest is in the naturalness of female voices, details and the soundstage. I have the S8 but I want something that I can take to the office without so much worry.
The Blessing 3 has a sound profile that is more similar to the S8.
Oh wow a reviewer that I can relate to. Looking forward to you getting sponsored by the usual chifi companies. Most likely you dont have but if you do any comparison to Final A5000 or Fiio FD7 since those 2 are my gold standards for single DD.
That being said you sold me on blind buying the origin since it sounds like my kind of jam unlike gizaudio.
Thanks for the kind words. The FD7 is more detailed, but I prefer the vocals on the Origin compared to the FD7. Unfortunately, I don't have the Final A5000, so I can't comment on that.
@@Atechreviews Went down to my local store today to demo the origin. I like that tanchjim is doing its own thing but smooth to the point of smoldering out microdetails is quite annoying to my ears. That being said it still sounds very nice and is for muh timbre folks out there.
But Im still glad that tanchjim released the origin since I know a few people that I can rec this iem to.
With relation to the other vid no need to buy the performer 5 just for a compison unless AFUL can send you one for review.
@@llysender Really? Interesting. Which tips did you use? and what source? I was not impressed with the stock tips, but the they completely transform with the render tips, perhaps you could give that a try. Performer 5 is already bought :)
@@Atechreviews I demoed with both the included bass then treble tips with the moonriver Ti and then the Hiby R6 pro 2. While the treble tips was able to give a cleaner presentation the fine details seemed to be all missing.
Will give it another try with the symbio mandrins(the closest hybrid tips I have) when I get the chance to go back down to the store.
@@llysender Let me know how it goes
Have you compared this tanchjimorigin with simgotea1000? And which one is better in terms of sound and technicality?
The EA1000 has more sub-bass and bass, and it could sound harsh sometimes depending on what you are listening to and the volume. Vocals are slightly warmer due to the bass.
The Origin has the upper hand in soundstage, imaging, and superb technicalities. The Origin also sounds more natural to me.
Both are excellent IEMs, and you will be happy with either of them.
Better than the Blessing 2 and Oxygen, that's huge! Quiet a statement saying the best under $1000. Interesting indeed. Nice review and keep them coming. Cheers.
Hey @pickcick1580 I said it ONE of the best under $1000. It is that good in my opinion. It is much better than the Oxygen & Blessing 2, like way better. Cheers.
@@Atechreviews Sorry for my English. Thanks.
@@pickcick1580 Don't worry about it :)
Hi. May I have some questions? I'm using Whizzer HE10 (some kind of Harman-tuned target) and really don't like its sound. Too much bass and not very good at mid.
Should I upgrade to the Origin and Endgame with it? Or should I buy something just a bit more like Moondrop Kato? I pretty much prefer to hear both male and female vocal and acoustic instruments.
If you're after good bass, the Kato is a great choice. On the other hand, the Origin has more detail and better separation, with a focus on the mid-range, but it has slightly less bass than the Kato. Choose based on what matters most to you.
@@Atechreviews really appreciate your reply. I think I will choose the Origin since I don't like too much bass
Would you recommend the render ear tips over the dunu s&s eartips? Im in europe and the render ear tips are kinda hard to get which is why I would like to order the dunu s&s. But if you say the render ear tips are more worth it then I‘ll try to get those.
No, I believe the DUNU S&S are better. I use the DUNU S&S tips because they provide excellent comfort and bring out a lot of detail. They sound transparent, almost as if they're not there, allowing more sound to come through. I can wear them for hours without any discomfort. I use the Render tips mainly as a higher-quality replacement for foam tips. They are excellent for IEMs with small peaks, as they remove edginess and offer great noise isolation, while being easier to use and more comfortable than foam tips. Between the two, I would choose the DUNU S&S. I just use the Render tips with some IEMs (Blessing 2, Origin, Nova) because I feel they sound better with them. That's all.
Have you tried D-Fi switch? Do you think the Origin is a direct upgrade of the D-Fi from the tonality? Because i really like the vocal sweetness of the D-Fi
I haven't had a chance to listen to D-Fi.
Friend, thanks for the review. Please tell me, if I already have Tanchjim Oxygen, should I change them to Tanchjim Origin? Or maybe change them to Moondrop Kato?
You're welcome. The Tanchjim Origin represents an improvement over the Oxygen, particularly in resolution, technical capabilities, and detail retrieval. On the other hand, the Kato would be more of a side grade, not an upgrade compared to the Oxygen. In my view, it's not superior to the Oxygen but offers a slightly different sound.
Big statement about saying that.
Now I'm fight about choosing between Blessing3 and origin.
B3 lookslike better（imo）but is almost 100$ higher than origin. Also, B3 has some DD for details but your statement make me struggle. I've already experienced Audio Dream IEM with EST that costs around 5~8k$（no kidding）but I didn't find it good, may my adrenaline made me not fell totally.
As a some low income brazilian, I'm struggling to choose my next budget from kato.
As a DD lover, it makes my mind bubble.
@Eric_Japa_ Which statement made you struggle?
Best of 1k IEM part.@@Atechreviews
@@Eric_Japa_ Ah, I Understand. If I remember correctly, I said that it is ONE of the best under 1K. This is mainly because of its clarity, detail retrieval, and overall balanced sound signature. S8 and Variations are also some of the best IEMs under 1K IMHO. Hope this clears things up :)
(read in a calm intonation)
KATO is fatiguing? Origin is better than B2? better than Oxygen? in terms of what? 🙂
I appreciate your feedback and thumbs up for the calm intonation :) It's interesting how our individual preferences shape our listening experiences. While the bass on the Kato is excellent, I found the "bass" fatiguing and needed to take breaks or reduce the bass, which is a valid approach that worked for me.
In my experience, the Tanchjim Origin surpasses the Blessing 2 and Oxygen in every aspect. From bass response to vocal clarity, accuracy, detail, instrument separation, and imaging, the Origin shines. While I understand this may be a controversial statement, I am confident in my assessment based on what I've heard.
I use the Tanchjim Origin daily and my opinion remains unchanged. I encourage you to give them a listen and share your thoughts. I believe you will be pleasantly surprised by their performance.
Hey is the origin an upgrade from the nova?if not can you recommend some
The Origin is an improvement over the Nova in terms of clarity, detail retrieval, and instrument separation. However, it has less bass, particularly in the sub-bass region. Apart from that, they share a similar tonality.
Any idea of how they are in comparison to Aune Jasper?
I didn't try the Aune Jasper.
Thank you for the review. Would you mind measuring the nozzle diameter with a caliper?
Sure. Let me check.
@DominikPhilipp1 Sorry for my late reply. The nozzle diameter of the Tanchjim Origin is 0.24 inches or 6.1mm. In comparison, the nozzle diameter of the Tanchjim Oxygen is 5.9mm. The Moondrop Kato is 5.7mm, and the Moondrop Blessing 2 is 6.5mm.
Thank you, that is too wide for me😞
@@DominikPhilipp1 You're welcome. Glad I could help.
I main katos, you just made me impulsive buy the origins😅 can't wait to hear them for myself. Tell me A, how heavy are they compared to katos?
@deparoo
The Tanchjim Origin is slightly heavier than the Moondrop Kato. I weighed them for you to be sure.
Right side, no ear tip:
Kato = 11.7 grams
Origin = 13.7 grams
Hope this was helpful. Cheers
@Atechreviews Thanks man, it's on the way. I'll get in 2 days. Can't wait!
@@deparoo so how do you like it my man, about to yolo on the origins myself
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TLDR they're good.
it's good, exactly how I expected it to be. Very natural sounding, a bit lighter on the bass compared to kato but I could wear it all day I mean like 5 to 6 hours straight, thanks to the way it's shaped. Katos I have to take off after a couple of hours cause they start feeling heavy in my ears even though origins are a bit heavier in weight but in my ears much more comfortable becauseof the way it'sshaped. When a track have bass it shows I can feel the bass but if the track is bass light it's how it portrays it as it is, great texture, great impact. Vocals are clean too female vocals like Ariana Grande don't sound shouty male vocals like Vessel from Sleep token still got that good deep vocals to it too. Never heard of the OG Oxygen but got OlinaSE, I can say Origins are definitely upgrade to the OlinaSE and a side grade to Kato but I'd take Origins over Katos for the comfort as I mentioned. And not as sizzling as Katos on the high hats and cymbals but still come across as how you'd hear it in real life. When I first listened to Origins it came across as boring but that's exactly what I'm looking for cause in my experience if an iem excels in one thing like bass heavy or treble shiny it doesn't stay in my ears for long cause of fatigue. Bass can be fatiguing as well. HBB undersold them I think he should give it another listen imo.
@@deparoo thanks for the detailed response!
Hi! Do you like as sound the sound stage? Is wide? Play out of mind?
Hello there! The soundstage of the Tanchjim Origin is within the average range for an IEM. However, its standout feature lies in its exceptional imaging capabilities. This IEM excels at precisely placing instruments and vocals, providing a highly engaging and immersive listening experience.
Is the sound 3D? Holographic soundstage?
The soundstage of the Tanchjim Origin is spacious for an IEM. It provides a clear sense of depth and accurate placement of instruments and vocals. This performance is particularly impressive given its price.
Is it better than blessing 3 tho?
I would say it is extremely close. The Blessing 3 has better sub-bass and slightly more accurate imaging. For everything else, they are on the same level.
wow now you are making me want B3 and ORIGIN@@Atechreviews
I guess its time to retire my 3 yrs old Oxygen..nice review
Thanks.
Can you recommend me!, Where your Slicone+Foam tips can be bought?
They are called Render ear tips. I got them from Amazon. I think you can find them also in other places like AliExpress etc.
@@Atechreviews thank you so much.
@@1st_Nook You're welcome!
How is the fit compared to the oxygen?
@andresa1759 The fit depends on your ear and choice of ear tips. I compared them using a few ear tips, silicon, foam, and hybrid.
For me, the Origin has a much better fit, comfort, and noise isolation compared to the Oxygen.
The Origin has a longer nozzle which allows the ear piece to stay more outside of the ear, improving the fit and isolation.
is it better that Simgot ea1000 ?
In my opinion yes. The Tanchjim Origin has a cleaner, more textured bass, smoother treble, and better overall detail retrieval. I like the EA1000, but if I had to choose, I would pick the origin.
Do they mog hexa?
What is mog?
Is there any driver flex in tanchjim origin?
I listen to the Tanchjim Origin daily, and thankfully I didn't encounter any driver flex. There is a vent on each side that should minimize the chances of that happening, but that's not a guarantee. I will let you know if it happens to my Tanchjim Origin.