People just don't want daima to be Canon so they keep arguing I'd argue it makes sense and is a necessary point between super and z and adds context to some scenes in super
daima take place 1 year after buu saga an 3 or 4 years before dragon ball super which mean that daima is filling in gap between dragon ball z buu saga an start of dragon ball super so daima is canon to main series of dragon ball so full timeline so far is dragon ball dragon ball z dragon ball daima an then dragon ball super an when dragon ball daima ends then we may get news in dragon ball super season 2
@@Wolverine1992-z5m This is the most splendid way to explain Goku growing retardnes since he had to go through his early years retardness again. Freeza is the only hope to punch out that retardness out of Goku.
daima is not over writes dragon ball super dragon ball daima is still part of dragon ball z series an is filling gap of events that take place before start of dragon ball super
Vegeta had the perfect opportunity to use ssj3 in Super, against Beerus when he slapped Bulma yet he was only rage boosted ssj2. Stop excusing Daima's retcons and bs and just admit he wasn't supposed to have ssj3 in Super that's why he never uses it
Yea finally someone with common sense. All these people doing to these insane gymnastics to somehow act like it is completely reasonable that vegeta wouldn't have used ssj3 a single time in all of super.
@@evil_resident9 hm no retcons have been been been happening from the beginning dragon ball og senzu didnt originally heal but were retconed to do so retcons aren't inherently bad they make things more fluid sometimes secondly Vegeta not using it against beerus makes sense because one it wastes energy and most likely he considers the teniquie a waste
@darkjester374 like in that moment vegeta was lucid enough to think ssj3 wasted too much energy LOL, Vegeta had literally lost control so he should have automatically turned into his strongest form so if he had ssj3 he should have turned into it
The thing is Vegeta has always known and been able to go Super Saiyan 3 he just never felt the form to be useful or necessary because of the stamina drain and how much energy it uses.
Simple truth. Western fans need to shut up and stop obsessing about 'canon' so much. Because the Japanese certainly don't. Especially with two versions of Super that are officially recognised continuations of Toriyama's work. Dragon Ball operates on a multiverse format now. So everything is 'canon' to whatever continuity.
@@tariqyousaf8635Trunks explains in cell saga that the timelines are created over the smallest of things and beerus killing zamasu proves that timelines aren't created alone by time travel. Toriyama literally said in an interview that reviews on the Dragon Ball Z movies taken place in different dimensions with canon games like dbo and kakarot literally showing mira and towa after xv1.
@ Trunks never said timelines are created over small things the whole saga was explaining how time travel creates it and Beerus haki move affects time that’s why and the final one toriyama did not mean it’s an actual other time the movies are just a pick and choose situation
Super itself was already doomed to fall to these kind of issues due to being sandwiched between Buu's Defeat & The End of Z since it has tons of retcons that makes the end of Z make no sense Daima is kinda like that, sadly This is why you don't go too ambitious with Midquels, folks Edit: Also, the gap between Buu & Super is 4 years, not 6 months
My theory on Kabito and Shin being fused in super if Daima is Canon: When the dragon ball wish gets granted, then end up refused. Due to some shenanigan, like their potara fall off and the start to put them back on only for WHOOPS put on the wrong ear ring. Due to all the stress they forget to defuse again by buu's gas, OR perhaps they fuse in order to make themselves stronger to... Perhaps REVIVE the Glin Trees to continue their race. Keeping fused for a set time to allow the trees to live. *Oh we need to stay fused for a while so the trees can live without our power being needed*
To further my point i don't think there is a bad retcon in daima people seem to think retcons are always bad sometimes it's good thing i swear dragon ball fans don't watch the show enough clearly or even read
Generally it can't be canon because it fucks with tthe timeline way to much and generally my biggest point, makes goku and vegeta way too weak. i dont care if theyre kids, there is nothing you can tell me thatll make me believe goku can't legit just 1 shot every single thing he's faced in base and at most ssj1. If you want to argue that its canon because it's its own timeline, fine. but it is clearly not DBZ-DAIMA-super it is DBZ-daima and DBZ-super these are seperate things.
I think part of the issue here is, the fanbase is being a bunch of nerds. like the "WELL ACKTUALLY" people. because what we're really argueing is. "is daima canon to the most recent dragon ball content we have gotten before it" which it CLEARLY isnt. it can be canon to Z. but that's obviously not what we're talking about.
I think the reason vegeta stopped using ssg3 in dbs super is because its to much ki to handle and besides there's more better forms and the end of dragon ball z take 3_5 years to go to the daima storyarc so another theory I have is that vegeta trained off screen to get super saiyan 3 or 4 to surpass goku once more
Vegeta uses super saiyan 3 since he learnt it in the year gap between buu saga and daima also probably because hes a kid he has more energy to waste when using ssj3 so the reason he doesnt use it in super is because he has super saiyan 2 which is better until he got god, blue etc. Plus he wasnt a kid so he wouldnt use it if he was at a disadvantage (plus his mastery of ssj2 because he didnt have super saiyan 3 from buu to daima just makes it a better form then ssj3)
it's Canon because let's be real every new series that gets introduced Retcon something z literally Retcon Goku to be an alien and also the introduction of a new God every series
@@Ebullience litteraly because Goku had ssj blue. When Vegeta attacked Beerus in Battle of Gods they didn't have the god forms yet so if Vegeta's strongest form at the time was ssj3( according to Daima canon) he would have used it when he attacked Beerus.
1. The fusion is permanent if the supreme Kai is involved zamasu was never promoted in the manga 2. That was based on the namekian's assumptions the namekians were unaware of their origins and the super dragon balls 3. Rhymus being said to be the highest authority was shin thinking that cause he never knew zeno so no retcons
How bout we all just watch the anime and enjoy the content, if you want it to be cannon sure if you don’t then don’t the anime is made to be enjoyed,…..buuut I do think it’s cannon due to Toriyama’s full involvement
I was gonna throw in my two cents but screw it. Just give me the Arinsu folder. I know what I'm really here for. Everyone else can argue while I oogle. I will use the power that be to reverse engine this if need be. Or use the dragon balls to commision my own.
Yeah yeah canon this, canon that. Y’all forgot all the retcons quicker than the staff/creators on the show did. What is or isn’t canon doesn’t matter. Just enjoy your Dragon Ball.
The collective cope the DB community is on regarding Diama is just hilarious to witness them warp their mindsets around “canon” 😂 this is the most tiresome argument in all of entertainment.
@@Ebullience The fact you had to answer this question, we SEE the supreme Kai’s from super, and they’re claiming this when Daima isn’t even over, like just think for once
2:44 ?? Super is 6 years after the death of Kid Buu. Some say that is 4 years, but, this is wrong, because, Pan will make 4 in the End of Z tournament, Super Hero is 1 year before End of Z, and if Super was 4 years after the death of Kid Buu, so Pan was supposed to have at least 5 years And Daima is 1 year or less after the Death of Kid Buu
It's definitely canon, too much lore building. I was unsure about it before it came out but I watched and it's a banger, a good story and more world building joining a lot of dots that dbz and DBS didn't answer.
Daima is a continuation of dbz and makes more sense than dbz jumping into super if anything gt makes more sense than super doesn't even explain we're uub is lets just keep retcon the ending of z all this should have just ended with gt goku becoming the next eternal dragon and riding off into space but noo let's milk this franchise and make it make less sense as time goes on
Imagine making a whole video to argue a fact with yo opinion 🤦🏾♂️ they literally told us Daima is canon and takes place a year after fighting buu so you making this video was pointless you can NOT argue a fact with your opinion
in my pov i see daima canon to z not super think of it like this ater the buu saga z is branching into 2 super and daima like this they are bouth canon to z but not to each other 🤷♂ but still W video
Yo, uncopyright your sprite battles of legends videos, the first one got copyrighted because of the fuckin UI Goku theme at 2 points seemingly at random, also, I think ur video of Vegeta vs Shadow might also be affected.
If we are referring to super vegetto was not supposed to be in super Toei added him there for the time limit was added by Toei and not Toriyama. So the time limit could be Toei's explanation while Toriyama stuck to the gas inside buus body as for potara having a time limit in the manga well the anime came first thus it would be confusing if toyotaro gave us vegetto but it be permanent again
If it's not in the original manga that ended in 1995 it's not canon to the original story all modern Dragon Ball stories take place in different timelines and continuities for example super cannot be Canon super takes place in a timeline where there's no 10 years of Peace after the defeat of boo making the existence of super not canon to the original story because it contradicts the Canon of the original story regardless toriyama worked on it modern dragon ball projects it takes place in different continuities just like Marvel and DC comics with different continues timelines and universes
I think the potaro could be both. It's said in Super that Kai fusions are permanent while none kai fusions have a time limit. Nothing in super is really contradicting that Buu's inside can't defuse a fusion. And it's not like Gowasu would know about the effects of inside Buu.
I think when it was stated that potara was permanent if a kai was involved, I think that's referring to the time limit, rather than being TRULY permanent. Not saying that's true, I'm just guessing.
i feel dima is going to be some alternate timeline thing its not like time travel and multiverses isnt a thing and it sais it in the op song a brand new story and from what has aired it is an entire new story
It is canon but people say it’s not because people might not like the show enough to say this it’s after the Buu saga and before battle of the gods also the potato that has a time limit might only be in that universe and the other potara might work like how universe sevens works
what bugs me the most about daima is there is nothing demonic about the demon realm. i can only recall like one maybe two evil things in that entire realm which is those bandits who attacked goku and company the moment they entered the realm and that age stealing device. besides that theres nothing demonic about the demon realm at all. and whats worse is they wanna make the demons peaceful like why? there demons there supposed to be evil
The food should also be very terrible, but to demons very tasty. Just imagine Goku and Vegeta's reactions especially xD As well as ALL drinks being extremely spicy, even water.
There are logical reasons for Vegeta NOT to use ssj3 in super, and it makes sense for it not to be present in super at all. That doesn't make daima Non-canon simply because he doesn't use the form in super.
Do people realy forgot that the foundation of super are two supposed to be one off movies? They werent inteded to be used for serialization. The rest of super is basicaly professional fanfic. And I prove it right here and now: If they were supposed to be more, than we would have gotten new characters who arent shown at the end of Z to care and worry about. Daima is canon to Z.
One thing I wanted know is where is stated it is canon? People keep saying the creator was involved but idk means it *IS* canon, unless the creator or co-workers say it somewhere
@@thedoglovinggamer5825 toyotaro my guy, toriyama mentored him and gave him tips and hints. So to me Super isnt really canon, even in the show compared to Z, makes no sense and im just wondering how will they connect it to end of Z cause it is all over the place.
@@captainhostile101 If you look it up, it says that Toriyama did the major parts of the writing along with the editor (as the editor stated), Toyotaro did pitch in too but mostly did the art. Yes, I know that he was Toriyama’s student.
@@thedoglovinggamer5825 some sources say it is Toriyama and some say its Toyotaro, and the more time passes that changes, cause i just looked it up and i got different sources. Wikipedia says its Toriyama, most of the people on forums say its Toyotaro. Manga i can agree that its Toriyamas work because it does differ a lot from the anime and nobody can convince me Super anime is his work. It really contradicts a lot of stuff in Z.
Wouldn't it be funny, if the reason kibito kai returns is because they wish to return to how they were and since it was quite recent the used buu to defuse, the anime tries to make us believe that the wish to reverse their current state forces kibito and supreme kai to fuse again. And the reason they don't just use buu again is cause he was asleep
if daima' s canon then why dosent goku remember shin telling him that he is from universe 7, meaning they are other universes, but in super everybody is shocked and surprised that they are other universes, this just means either daima is not canon OR daima is canon and will be further explained or something in the later episodes
Fans has been screeching since the 1st episode of Daima. I prefer to hold my opinions about canon or not canon until it is about to be over. Daima is about 6 months after Buu Saga. Super is about 4 years after Buu Saga So we have 3 and half years for Daima. I do remember the late Toriyama once mentioned that he wanted to return to the OG DB and he actually acted and kept his word. Something that many cannot do and they still talk shit about Toriyama being forgotful lmao.
The issue is that with like 3.5 years between dragon ball daima and Dragon Ball super. If goku knew that Vegeta had ssj3. Then wouldn't have they at least trained to fully master and prefect ssj3 together for better control, less strain on the body and possibly an extra small multipler increase? And make both slightly faster, stronger and more powerful in base in battle of gods? 🤷♂️
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People just don't want daima to be Canon so they keep arguing I'd argue it makes sense and is a necessary point between super and z and adds context to some scenes in super
The gap between Z and Super is four years not just a few months.
EXACTLY!!!
While daima is really close to Z's timeline, like soon after they win against Kid Buu.
daima take place 1 year after buu saga an 3 or 4 years before dragon ball super which mean that daima is filling in gap between dragon ball z buu saga an start of dragon ball super so daima is canon to main series of dragon ball so full timeline so far is dragon ball dragon ball z dragon ball daima an then dragon ball super an when dragon ball daima ends then we may get news in dragon ball super season 2
@@Wolverine1992-z5m This is the most splendid way to explain Goku growing retardnes since he had to go through his early years retardness again.
Freeza is the only hope to punch out that retardness out of Goku.
Also if it were to take place months after the Buu saga, 17-year old Gohan would have a child
another case of a Dragonball fan not reading the source material or paying attention, it's a 10 year gap this was stated when super was announced
Mfs really trying to debunk Vegeta’s dubs😭😭💔💔
I’m not lol he’s needs it badly
@ Long overdue
Am i the ONLY ONE who noticed Carthu’sDojo in the beginning commenting “I like men”?😭
WHA
I came to comments for that
i saw that too
I thought i was the only one
I also saw that ☠️
Daima is stated to be canon
True
It was always Canon😂
Where
@Illus_Henryii it takes place 1 year before super
@Bios1234x 😐
i was not so secretly hoping daima overwrites super and we get a completely different continuity
daima is not over writes dragon ball super dragon ball daima is still part of dragon ball z series an is filling gap of events that take place before start of dragon ball super
It is
Vegeta had the perfect opportunity to use ssj3 in Super, against Beerus when he slapped Bulma yet he was only rage boosted ssj2. Stop excusing Daima's retcons and bs and just admit he wasn't supposed to have ssj3 in Super that's why he never uses it
Yea finally someone with common sense. All these people doing to these insane gymnastics to somehow act like it is completely reasonable that vegeta wouldn't have used ssj3 a single time in all of super.
@@evil_resident9 hm no retcons have been been been happening from the beginning dragon ball og senzu didnt originally heal but were retconed to do so retcons aren't inherently bad they make things more fluid sometimes secondly Vegeta not using it against beerus makes sense because one it wastes energy and most likely he considers the teniquie a waste
@darkjester374 like in that moment vegeta was lucid enough to think ssj3 wasted too much energy LOL, Vegeta had literally lost control so he should have automatically turned into his strongest form so if he had ssj3 he should have turned into it
The thing is Vegeta has always known and been able to go Super Saiyan 3 he just never felt the form to be useful or necessary because of the stamina drain and how much energy it uses.
Simple truth. Western fans need to shut up and stop obsessing about 'canon' so much. Because the Japanese certainly don't. Especially with two versions of Super that are officially recognised continuations of Toriyama's work.
Dragon Ball operates on a multiverse format now. So everything is 'canon' to whatever continuity.
No it doesn’t it has alternate timelines which are only affected by time traveling
Simply, no.
@@tariqyousaf8635Trunks explains in cell saga that the timelines are created over the smallest of things and beerus killing zamasu proves that timelines aren't created alone by time travel.
Toriyama literally said in an interview that reviews on the Dragon Ball Z movies taken place in different dimensions with canon games like dbo and kakarot literally showing mira and towa after xv1.
@@xavierhouston4650Simply yes toriyama agreed to this in an interview long ago.
@ Trunks never said timelines are created over small things the whole saga was explaining how time travel creates it and Beerus haki move affects time that’s why and the final one toriyama did not mean it’s an actual other time the movies are just a pick and choose situation
Super itself was already doomed to fall to these kind of issues due to being sandwiched between Buu's Defeat & The End of Z since it has tons of retcons that makes the end of Z make no sense
Daima is kinda like that, sadly
This is why you don't go too ambitious with Midquels, folks
Edit: Also, the gap between Buu & Super is 4 years, not 6 months
My theory on Kabito and Shin being fused in super if Daima is Canon:
When the dragon ball wish gets granted, then end up refused. Due to some shenanigan, like their potara fall off and the start to put them back on only for WHOOPS put on the wrong ear ring.
Due to all the stress they forget to defuse again by buu's gas, OR perhaps they fuse in order to make themselves stronger to...
Perhaps REVIVE the Glin Trees to continue their race. Keeping fused for a set time to allow the trees to live. *Oh we need to stay fused for a while so the trees can live without our power being needed*
To further my point i don't think there is a bad retcon in daima people seem to think retcons are always bad sometimes it's good thing i swear dragon ball fans don't watch the show enough clearly or even read
Generally it can't be canon because it fucks with tthe timeline way to much and generally my biggest point, makes goku and vegeta way too weak. i dont care if theyre kids, there is nothing you can tell me thatll make me believe goku can't legit just 1 shot every single thing he's faced in base and at most ssj1. If you want to argue that its canon because it's its own timeline, fine. but it is clearly not DBZ-DAIMA-super it is DBZ-daima and DBZ-super these are seperate things.
I think part of the issue here is, the fanbase is being a bunch of nerds. like the "WELL ACKTUALLY" people. because what we're really argueing is. "is daima canon to the most recent dragon ball content we have gotten before it" which it CLEARLY isnt. it can be canon to Z. but that's obviously not what we're talking about.
I think db daima is in between dbz and dbs
It is one year after z and three years before super
@@Fishy-Bros- thank you it is
I think the reason vegeta stopped using ssg3 in dbs super is because its to much ki to handle and besides there's more better forms and the end of dragon ball z take 3_5 years to go to the daima storyarc so another theory I have is that vegeta trained off screen to get super saiyan 3 or 4 to surpass goku once more
Bro did Carthus Dojo dirty
Vegeta uses super saiyan 3 since he learnt it in the year gap between buu saga and daima also probably because hes a kid he has more energy to waste when using ssj3 so the reason he doesnt use it in super is because he has super saiyan 2 which is better until he got god, blue etc. Plus he wasnt a kid so he wouldnt use it if he was at a disadvantage (plus his mastery of ssj2 because he didnt have super saiyan 3 from buu to daima just makes it a better form then ssj3)
it's Canon because let's be real every new series that gets introduced Retcon something z literally Retcon Goku to be an alien and also the introduction of a new God every series
Not really. I mean manga is just dragon ball. Only Anime does split in og and z
Daima is the same amount of canon as super non existent lmfao it just doesnt work but as a side series its fine
Why does vegeta not use ssj3 against berus in battle of gods?
Why didn’t Goku use it against Jiren? Or Goku Black?
@@EbullienceAt least Goku confirmed the f*ck before against Beerus, trunks and so on.
@@Ebullience litteraly because Goku had ssj blue. When Vegeta attacked Beerus in Battle of Gods they didn't have the god forms yet so if Vegeta's strongest form at the time was ssj3( according to Daima canon) he would have used it when he attacked Beerus.
1. The fusion is permanent if the supreme Kai is involved zamasu was never promoted in the manga
2. That was based on the namekian's assumptions the namekians were unaware of their origins and the super dragon balls
3. Rhymus being said to be the highest authority was shin thinking that cause he never knew zeno
so no retcons
Shin knew who Zeno was
@tariqyousaf8635 no he didn't name one scene in daima where he said he knew zeno? He even asked elder Kai who zeno is
My whole thing is if vegeta was gonna fight beerus for slapping bulma why not use super saiyan 3 instead of a beefed up super saiyan 2 rage
Absolutely nothing that happens in Diana is in super, unless everything that happens is reversed before super and forgotten, it’s not canon
How bout we all just watch the anime and enjoy the content, if you want it to be cannon sure if you don’t then don’t the anime is made to be enjoyed,…..buuut I do think it’s cannon due to Toriyama’s full involvement
Ugh i need the Android 21 Folders wink wink
I was gonna throw in my two cents but screw it. Just give me the Arinsu folder. I know what I'm really here for. Everyone else can argue while I oogle. I will use the power that be to reverse engine this if need be. Or use the dragon balls to commision my own.
Just go to my Patreon bro
Yall what made by toriyama is canon the art the storyline was by toriyama
One year after Buu & 3yrs before berrus
Yes.
You gained a sub funny commentary af , also the part about buu spliting was wild ☠️
Eh its 4 years between Z and Super
Yeah yeah canon this, canon that.
Y’all forgot all the retcons quicker than the staff/creators on the show did.
What is or isn’t canon doesn’t matter. Just enjoy your Dragon Ball.
@@MourningCoffeeMusic thank you I love daima
when you use the "C" word
all your opinions about Dragon Ball Franchise don't count by default 📀
W vid
It's not six months between z and super
It's four years
Or you can argue with me.
Carthu say I like men LOL
Daima is canon hop off
No it isn’t.
It’s not
@@Coolguy-lr4btit was written by Akira toriyama
@@XEXoTic_Worldyes it is, it was literally confirmed it was cannon.
@@Seseditorwhere in which page
The collective cope the DB community is on regarding Diama is just hilarious to witness them warp their mindsets around “canon” 😂 this is the most tiresome argument in all of entertainment.
This video shows why I hate majority dragon ball fans
Why lol
@@Ebullience The fact you had to answer this question, we SEE the supreme Kai’s from super, and they’re claiming this when Daima isn’t even over, like just think for once
2:44 ?? Super is 6 years after the death of Kid Buu. Some say that is 4 years, but, this is wrong, because, Pan will make 4 in the End of Z tournament, Super Hero is 1 year before End of Z, and if Super was 4 years after the death of Kid Buu, so Pan was supposed to have at least 5 years
And Daima is 1 year or less after the Death of Kid Buu
End of Z is after Super.
@@Seseditor that is exacly what I said
#put back sonic and dragon ball fan animations plz
0:00 bro sounds like Mr satan
There is a 4 year gap between z and super
Does ANYONE KNOW WHEN THE ENGLISCH DUB OF DAIMA WILL COME OUT
It's definitely canon, too much lore building. I was unsure about it before it came out but I watched and it's a banger, a good story and more world building joining a lot of dots that dbz and DBS didn't answer.
I just dont get the appeal of Daima though. I get that its toriyama’s lat piece but…. I just dont care for watching them all be kids
Daima is a continuation of dbz and makes more sense than dbz jumping into super if anything gt makes more sense than super doesn't even explain we're uub is lets just keep retcon the ending of z all this should have just ended with gt goku becoming the next eternal dragon and riding off into space but noo let's milk this franchise and make it make less sense as time goes on
Theres still one question i have why didnt vegeta use super saiyan 3 against beerus? if he still had it or did he forget it existed lol
He got rage boost.
He heard from kong kai that ssj3 goku get beaten in 2 hits. So probably wanted to not waste energy with ssj3. Thats my opinion.
@@dark-xh7fs thank you
Yes it is
Daima is absolutely canon
Short answer: yes
Its cannon thats it
Imagine making a whole video to argue a fact with yo opinion 🤦🏾♂️ they literally told us Daima is canon and takes place a year after fighting buu so you making this video was pointless you can NOT argue a fact with your opinion
Absolutely nothing that happens in Diana is in super, unless everything that happens is reversed before super and forgotten, it’s not canon
@ they literally confirmed it to be canon before it even released
Please just don’t argue with them
Daima is. Super isn't.
Is there no Daima between Z and GT?
If Super is cannon Daima is not
in my pov i see daima canon to z not super
think of it like this ater the buu saga z is branching into 2
super and daima like this they are bouth canon to z but not to each other 🤷♂
but still W video
It's actually 1 year before super
@@RayStallings-u5v no 3 years before super
I wish ssj3 didn't suck cause it's so sick and peak design
It makes you look like Raditz though but I do think it looks sick it should last longer though
@@richardyorke9940 it also removes your eyebrows
Yo, uncopyright your sprite battles of legends videos, the first one got copyrighted because of the fuckin UI Goku theme at 2 points seemingly at random, also, I think ur video of Vegeta vs Shadow might also be affected.
its Cannon😂😂😂😂😂😂
yes it is, more canon to Z than super will ever be
If we are referring to super vegetto was not supposed to be in super Toei added him there for the time limit was added by Toei and not Toriyama. So the time limit could be Toei's explanation while Toriyama stuck to the gas inside buus body as for potara having a time limit in the manga well the anime came first thus it would be confusing if toyotaro gave us vegetto but it be permanent again
If it's not in the original manga that ended in 1995 it's not canon to the original story all modern Dragon Ball stories take place in different timelines and continuities for example super cannot be Canon super takes place in a timeline where there's no 10 years of Peace after the defeat of boo making the existence of super not canon to the original story because it contradicts the Canon of the original story regardless toriyama worked on it modern dragon ball projects it takes place in different continuities just like Marvel and DC comics with different continues timelines and universes
I think the potaro could be both.
It's said in Super that Kai fusions are permanent while none kai fusions have a time limit.
Nothing in super is really contradicting that Buu's inside can't defuse a fusion. And it's not like Gowasu would know about the effects of inside Buu.
I think when it was stated that potara was permanent if a kai was involved, I think that's referring to the time limit, rather than being TRULY permanent. Not saying that's true, I'm just guessing.
Nothing in Dragon Ball is truly permanent
@@Ebullience fair point
4:21 The saiyan curse theory could still work. It’s an old, but really good theory.
i feel dima is going to be some alternate timeline thing
its not like time travel and multiverses isnt a thing
and it sais it in the op song
a brand new story
and from what has aired it is an entire new story
what a stupid question 🤣🤣🤣
Yippee
It is canon but people say it’s not because people might not like the show enough to say this it’s after the Buu saga and before battle of the gods also the potato that has a time limit might only be in that universe and the other potara might work like how universe sevens works
zEEEEEEEEno
what bugs me the most about daima is there is nothing demonic about the demon realm. i can only recall like one maybe two evil things in that entire realm which is those bandits who attacked goku and company the moment they entered the realm and that age stealing device. besides that theres nothing demonic about the demon realm at all. and whats worse is they wanna make the demons peaceful like why? there demons there supposed to be evil
The food should also be very terrible, but to demons very tasty.
Just imagine Goku and Vegeta's reactions especially xD
As well as ALL drinks being extremely spicy, even water.
When Vegeta became ssj3 the canon meaning also achieved another level xDDD
There are logical reasons for Vegeta NOT to use ssj3 in super, and it makes sense for it not to be present in super at all. That doesn't make daima Non-canon simply because he doesn't use the form in super.
The destroyed earth of trunks future is the REAL canon timeline
The original timeline was the one where trunks got killed by cell 😞
@NYEHHEHHEH-z1i What did I say...?
Do people realy forgot that the foundation of super are two supposed to be one off movies? They werent inteded to be used for serialization. The rest of super is basicaly professional fanfic. And I prove it right here and now: If they were supposed to be more, than we would have gotten new characters who arent shown at the end of Z to care and worry about. Daima is canon to Z.
It is canon to Z and super
Or maybe it’s another way around, Damian is canon while super is just bad writing.
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that must also explain how emperor pilaf, Mai and Shu became kids in DBS
It aint canon to me
Fails is cool except they really went “yeah let’s make namekians and kais all demons that for some reason aren’t evil”
And that a demon created the Multiverse and is supposedly stronger than Zeno.
One thing I wanted know is where is stated it is canon? People keep saying the creator was involved but idk means it *IS* canon, unless the creator or co-workers say it somewhere
It’s confirmed i forgot where but it’s canon
Super was never cannon at all it was even work on by toriyama
What? Toriyama was the main guy working on the Super manga.
@@thedoglovinggamer5825 toyotaro my guy, toriyama mentored him and gave him tips and hints. So to me Super isnt really canon, even in the show compared to Z, makes no sense and im just wondering how will they connect it to end of Z cause it is all over the place.
@@captainhostile101 If you look it up, it says that Toriyama did the major parts of the writing along with the editor (as the editor stated), Toyotaro did pitch in too but mostly did the art. Yes, I know that he was Toriyama’s student.
@@thedoglovinggamer5825 some sources say it is Toriyama and some say its Toyotaro, and the more time passes that changes, cause i just looked it up and i got different sources. Wikipedia says its Toriyama, most of the people on forums say its Toyotaro. Manga i can agree that its Toriyamas work because it does differ a lot from the anime and nobody can convince me Super anime is his work. It really contradicts a lot of stuff in Z.
Bro 💀 toriyama is the writer as toyotaro is the artist
Daima is cannon to Z and Dragon Ball Super is Non Canon Because Toriyama was hardly involved
I could live with that.
Nobody gonna talk about in the beginning Carthus Dojo saying he likes men??
I mean same but…
Wouldn't it be funny, if the reason kibito kai returns is because they wish to return to how they were and since it was quite recent the used buu to defuse, the anime tries to make us believe that the wish to reverse their current state forces kibito and supreme kai to fuse again. And the reason they don't just use buu again is cause he was asleep
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For me Dragon Ball ended with GT. It doesn't matter even if Akira Toriyama himself wrote something new.
if daima' s canon then why dosent goku remember shin telling him that he is from universe 7, meaning they are other universes, but in super everybody is shocked and surprised that they are other universes, this just means either daima is not canon
OR
daima is canon and will be further explained or something in the later episodes
Fans has been screeching since the 1st episode of Daima. I prefer to hold my opinions about canon or not canon until it is about to be over.
Daima is about 6 months after Buu Saga.
Super is about 4 years after Buu Saga
So we have 3 and half years for Daima. I do remember the late Toriyama once mentioned that he wanted to return to the OG DB and he actually acted and kept his word. Something that many cannot do and they still talk shit about Toriyama being forgotful lmao.
The issue is that with like 3.5 years between dragon ball daima and Dragon Ball super. If goku knew that Vegeta had ssj3. Then wouldn't have they at least trained to fully master and prefect ssj3 together for better control, less strain on the body and possibly an extra small multipler increase? And make both slightly faster, stronger and more powerful in base in battle of gods? 🤷♂️
bro Oh my goodness if someone says is dragon ball daima canon? or dragon ball daima isnt canon Im crashout
its not a 6 month gap, its 4 years.
Vegeta finally beat all the allegations
Bro only diama is cannon and super is no longer cannon