The bottom lines are as follows: 1)The cow should be treated cruel free 2) We may raise the cows but not industrialise them in the sense that we should not artificially inseminate them in order to sell milk. I mean don't make cows a business. 3)If you are healthy and strong enough to digest milk, then you may take. That's all. Hare Krishna 🙏
You are the first genuine Hindu I have found on the internet talking about cows and consumption of milk relating to her suffering, you have an actual sense of respect and love for cows not just for the shake of religious argument but in a true sense. I would consider your principle a lot like vegan, but turning completely vegan would be ideal.
We should all promote cow protection not veganism. The vedic way is to take care of the cow and milk them. If we were all vegan then the cows would be left to die in the wild.
For american people or westerns who are so radical about veganism I have to tell you , you have to come to India to see how cows are actually treated SO WELL here and not abused at all. I mean... if I reincarnate as an indian cow next time... I am cool with it 😄 I stayed with an indian family for a while and they had 3 cows. Those cows were treated as very loved pets. One day I found the little girls of the house placing a bindi on the cow's face ahah and singing to the cow. They told me they were celebrating her birrhday! Cows do not feel discomfort at all when they are milked its a massage to them , otherwise they would try to run or to resist but that is not what they do at all. So... if you think milk may not be good for the digestive system of humans, that would make sense to me. I think so many people are intolerant I am not sure it is a healthy food. But in India for real there is many places where milk comes from cows who are well taken care of , better than humans sometimes. I mean in some places people even worships them. So... its not a fair acusation at all, to say to indians that they are exploiting cows.
Watch the Unholy Cattle of India. India is the 2nd largest beef exporter in the world. You think big companies like Amul doesn't forcibly impregnate cows, separate their babies, and export them to other countries to be killed? You think Amul let them naturally breed, let mother and calf stay together, hand milk, and let the cow live till old age? You are mistaken. Cows are a lot of the time abandoned when they don't produce milk. Yes, in India.
@@yaamir7201 no no I wasn't talking about Amul. I was talking about a Goshala that I visited in Bangalore and about families that I know in Kerala and in Dharamashala who keep cows as loved pets. Those families treat the cows very well. Amul and the industrial milk that I don't know I suposed they don't treat cows that well, but as its India I also thought maybe they aren't super cruel to them. But I believe what you say. Maybe because of money they became so cruel to the cows too. That is very sad. Cows are very sensitive animals. I will make sure to not buy Amul milk.
@@Yulia.ambika It's not just Amul. Every commercial milk company views these cows as commodities only to be taken care of insofar as they produce milk. Even some Goshalas forcibly impregnate cows, artificially inseminate, separate mother and baby. You have to be really careful about where you get your milk from. Real ahimsa milk is not available for most, so sticking to a vegan lifestyle is most appropriate. The label 'Goshala' means nothing in and of itself. Unless you know there is genuine love, spiritual intention, and unconditional protection, best to avoid milk and opt for the cheap and nutritious soy milk🙏🏽 Hare Krishna.
Hare krishna mataji 🙏🏻 , sorry but majority of the Indian dairy farms and industries exploit cows for milk , only the few Hare krishna farms and Jain farms don't exploit cows but majority population consumes dairy products from industries. Majority of the dairy farms exploit cows , they impregnate them artificially and take their babies away. India has become 3rd largest beef exporter and the only reason dairy farms. I am a vegan and I too consume dairy when I got to iskcon because I know how they treat the cows but not every temple or dairy farm is ahimsa. I hope your understand that veganism is very important in India. Hare krishna 🙏🏻
Humans in kalyuga should never compare their relationship with cows with Krishna Ji's beautiful and pure relationship with cows. I refuse to believe that there is 100% cruelty free milk, it's not possible, it's not profitable and it's not sustainable, it requires HUGE HUGE amount of land, water and food. I will rather be a vegan, Krishna Ji will be happy with me more that way than to drink milk from poor tortures cow/buffalo
@@locananandadas1916 it's not just about how cows are treated, where do you get the imgrenated cows from? if from breeders then do you know how cows are impregnated? it's such a dirty and violent practice, also do you take care for hundreds and hundreds of cows? since iskcon doesn't kill dry cows and male calves? if yes, how can you afford to care for hundreds of cows? where do you get so much land from?
Mahatma Gandhi's favorite Bhajan was " Vaishnav Jann to tene kahiye ji, peed parayi jani re". It means "One who is a Vaishnava feels the pain of others". If we cannot feel the pain of cows when calves are separated from them for milk, we cannot be Vaishnava. So be a complete vegan.. Hare Krishna😇
you are very right!!! also cows are left on the streets they suffer and they die, some are illegally smuggled into states where slaughtering cows are legal like Bengal, 7 sisters, some states of the south and then there meat are sold with buffalo meat and India is also one of the biggest exporters of beef and leather, wonder what happens to all the buffalo and other cows
Thank you for speaking up for those who can't speak. Cows really go through a lot of suffering in life. I pray for the day animals are happy and treated with respect.
Letter to: Rayarama Dated: Nov. 19, 1968 Location: Los Angeles "...Regarding propaganda against animal slaughter in BTG. Please do not print any picture showing how a cow is being murdered in our BTG. This will pollute the whole atmosphere. We are not meant for moving anyone's sentiment against animal slaughter, we are neither Buddhists or Jains, whose main propaganda is against animal slaughter. Even the so-called vegetarians who do not take Krishna prasadam are as much sinful as the non-vegetarians."
@@worldveganvision Letter to: Rayarama Dated: Nov. 19, 1968 Location: Los Angeles Letter to: Rayarama 68-11-19 My Dear Rayarama, Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated Nov. 15, 1968, and noted the contents. I have already sent news to Mr. Barkley and Gehring to see me here. It appears that they want to start some magazine on religion. So I asked them to see me here. And I shall talk with them and see what is their idea. Regarding Press: I have already written to Brahmananda how the press should be started. The following principles should be followed strictly in our press: All the works of the press, including binding, and everything should be done by our men. We shall not accept any outside job for maintaining of this press. We will print simply our books and magazines, etc. And the boys and their families should be maintained by the sales proceeds of books and magazines. Brahmananda told me that binding in N.Y. is very expensive, and he is thinking of sending the papers to Holland for binding. These proposals are not at all practical. You write to say that Purusottama is desperate to come here, and stay with me for a while, so let him come, and if need be he will go back again. Regarding your prediction of cataclysmic earthquakes in this side of your country, your fear of my life is certainly natural. I was pet child of my father whom I lost in 1930, and since then nobody was taking care of me as affectionate son. But Krishna has sent me so many fathers to take care of me in a far distant place in USA. So I am fortunate enough that you are all so anxious, but we must always depend on Krishna. Rest assured that this nonsense idea of cataclysmic earthquakes will never take place. And even if it takes place, why should we be afraid of it? As soon as there is sign of such earthquake, we shall sit down together and chant Hare Krishna. So it will be a great opportunity of meeting death while chanting Hare Krishna. If one dies on sound condition of body and mind chanting Hare Krishna, he is the most fortunate man. There is a proverb in which it is said, "My dear royal prince, please do not die. My dear Brahmacari, you die immediately. My dear saintly person, you die or live it is all the same. My dear butcher, you do not die and do not live." So we are neither butcher nor royal prince, some of us are Brahmacaris, and some of us are supposed to be saintly persons, so if the Brahmacaris die, he immediately goes to Vaikuntha, and if the saintly person dies, he is all the same-he is engaged here in Krishna's work, and he will be engaged in Krishna's work there also. So don't bother about this earthquake business. Chant Hare Krishna peacefully and do your duty nicely. Of course, if there is such danger, I must take care like others. It is not good however unnecessarily risk my life, but I think the predictions given by so many astrologers are not very sound. I take your advice that as soon as there are series of minor tremors I must leave for your shelter. Regarding propaganda against animal slaughter in BTG. Please do not print any picture showing how a cow is being murdered in our BTG. This will pollute the whole atmosphere. We are not meant for moving anyone's sentiment against animal slaughter, we are neither Buddhists or Jains, whose main propaganda is against animal slaughter. Even the so-called vegetarians who do not take Krishna prasadam are as much sinful as the non-vegetarians. Our propaganda is different, to make people Krishna Conscious, which automatically makes them sympathetic against any kind of animal slaughter. According to Srimad-Bhagavatam, one living entity subsists on the life of other living entities, either vegetarian or non-vegetarian. But we are neither of them. We are not vegetarian nor non-vegetarian. We are transcendental. We are concerned with Krishna Prasadam. Try to popularize Krishna Prasadam as you have already done. People will naturally become vegetarian without any ghastly propaganda. The pictures of a mahajana or similar pictures for propagating the Bhagavata conclusion should be our objective. Other pictures, there are so many subject matters, just like we follow 4 principles, say for example, illicit sex life, we can publish so many pictures of illicit sex life, but that will not advance our cause. Similarly we may make propaganda against animal slaughter, but that will not advance our real cause. KC is based on pure understanding, not by any sentimental provocation. People must be intelligent enough to catch up this KC movement without being carried away by any sentimental wave. We should always remember that we do not belong to any group like the karmis, jnanis, or yogis. We belong to pure devotional service group, following the footprints of great mahajanas. Our purpose should be that we are in one side and all others they are on the other side. We deprecate everyone, even one who is against animal slaughter. In the Caitanya-caritamrta, it is clearly said that there are two classes of activities. Pious and impious. We do not favor any one of them. Neither we favor any philosophical speculation, we simply stick to Krishna, and wish to render loving transcendental service unto Him. That should be our main objective, and the policy of BTG must be pursued on this line of action. I hope you will understand me rightly. Everyone who is not a KC person is a butcher. Even the so-called pious man, who is not in KC, he is also a butcher. Because he is killing his own self. So in our view, everyone is butcher, and everyone is thief also, because he is enjoying Krishna's property. So how we can discriminate who is honest and dishonest and butcher and not butcher? Our only test is how one is taking to KC: Even a so-called butcher comes we welcome to chant Hare Krishna. Hoping you are well. Your ever well wisher, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
One should understand properly the context of Prabhupad's words. He is not speaking against veganism here. He is speaking for higher spiritual consciousness that may automatically bring a person to the situation where he will naturally follow ahimsa. Read deeply and try to understand that. In this letter he speaks about positive engagement in devotional service that he considers better than just speaking negatively. It's true in that sense that people should know why and for whom they should go vegan or vegetarians.... Prabhupada was speaking strongly against animal sloughter, in every of his book one can find such statements. So one should understand that and doesn't misinterpret his words, one should have wide vision and have full picture. Ahimsa is spirituality cannot be separated. Krishna says about it in Bhagavad-Gita... Specisism (misuse of animals) is against vaishnava philosophy. So specisism we can also call sinfull.
@@satvata The instruction in the letter is obvious and direct, I'm affraid your understanding of context of Praphupads words are similar to Shankaracharya's comments on Vedanta-sutra. There is a lot of references on how parampara works - from guru to disciple without changes. Also how everything should be based on shastra. Can you provide any references to vegan practices either from shastra or acharyas?
@@0pend0wn oh Thank you for comparing me with such great personality. I m really not that high level :) :) nice challenge but it is so funny. Because you think out of your box. You sit in your box and think that world is do small as your box and all people should eat that what you eat and that all people should eat and depend on good as you depend...And giving names and comparing. Fortunately God is not sectererian and He doesn't operate dogmas like you do. In the same way, Prabhupada was not sectererian and he gave that instructions that his followers were able to fulfill. Yes, even scriptures are not narrow minded and give discription of every kind of diet and it is you , the person who choose there what you like to see and you understand in scriptures only that what you can understand. You read shastras but you read them not attentively otherwise you would not ask me such questions. Tell me firstly, if I give you all the explanations and quotes, will you change your life style? And why do you try to prove and justify your right to exploit animals and cow's motherhood? And one more question . How can you explain me that all what is written in shastras is written by god's hand and directly for you and this particular time and is fully adjusted by modern situation? And by the way, I addressed to Srila Sivarama swami , not to you. If you are writing on behalf of Swami , then I may share . If you are his secretary, it is nice. So I expect answers to my questions firstly. So please answer those questions firstly in some intelligent way. Then we will speak. Ok? Because knowledge should be vivid isn't it? So if you cannot give me clear answers to my questions then you cannot solve the big contradiction that i see between shastras and real life. I see also some contradictions in some shastric statements, if you can explain those contradictions then we can proceed. So right now I cannot accept your words seriously and therefore I see that the person who misinterpreting is actually you ;) I can also play a word "ping pong game " with you and say that it is you who don't see context and goal of shastras actually. So, your knowledge is a burden for you. Because real knowledge makes vision of a person very broad, and your knowledge makes you attached to food and matter :) right?
Krishna accept anything with Love ,,,, Making big farm not required if we reduced our consumption ,,,, anything can be possible in Hindu Dharma ,, (with perticular food or without that) because it doesn't have one single concept means Dharma teaches multiple ways to reduce our selfishness and also about sacrifice
And how are the cows impregnated ? Is it by artificial or forced insemination(getting a bull to forcibly impregnate the cow) ? Lets say the cows in your farm are naturally bred and produce milk, this model is not possible to sustain the entire population this way hence why veganism is a more sensible option.
Well in Iskcon vrindavan gowshala, you will see that only 10% cows give milk. The number of bulls equals the number of cows, and the milk is commercially unavailable. I think such kind of milk is not cruel. But almost all indians drink the milk being clueless about stuff about artificial insemination and forced insemination. They don't know about male calves being slaughtered. So I totally agree on your point to be vegan
If a Cow is Not, our Mother neither is her Milk, it belongs only to her Baby Calf, it is Unhealthy to our Body it causes things to Grow in Us, Dr, Michal Klaper speaks of Milk, have a Loving, Thursday 💕
Anybody can act like that with a little practice. There are thousands of charlatans preying on weak minded people seeking guidance in religion, whether Hindu or Christian or any other.
Please come visit Sivarama Swami's spiritual eco-farm community in new Vraja Dhama, Hungary, and see for yourself how cows are treated there. :) Thank you! (admin)
Veganism isn't the best option. If we don't drink milk then the cow would be still taken for slaughter and if we were all vegan then the poor cows would be left to die in the wild. Veganism is new age and foreign to India. Milk is an important part of vedic Hindu culture so to attack milk is to attack vedic culture. If you truly care about cows and your culture then promote cow protection and dedicate your life to cow protection and vedic farms. Hare Krishna
@@SivaramaSwamiOfficial so this farm never ever sell off cows (even to temples), they are never tied? their babies are always with them none of them are taken away? they are always open and have shelter to sleep at night? they live for 15-25 years? and ALL of the cows from 15-25 years ago are still in the farm WITH ALL the kids??? and they are not impregnated artificially for the milk every year? they naturally mate with bulls and you that farm has this much of land to sustain all this? and all the water and food that they need? and methane they produce because of high demand for milk?
Beautiful and thoughtful answers to some misconceptions that vegans may have. I have spoken to several vegans who have these misconceptions about cows and milk. This video by the Sivarama Swami answers those questions BRILLIANTLY. Many heartfelt thanks to the Swami and his team :)
Actually...as someone who has worked 18 months previously on a butchery dairy farm years ago and also lived on a Ahimsa dairy farm ..this video is of huge importance and expertly expressed.
@@graceunderfire941 Ahimsa or Butchery, making money from animals is unethical! Why is it so hard to understand? Cows are not plants that we can confine and keep harvesting milk meant for cow's offsprings. How ethical would it be to operate a brothel where the ladies were brought in from poor families, may be allowed to have a family too but worked and lived in comfort offering their spare capacity. Ahimsa dairy is same as that. Even if the cows produced excess milk, it is not for the Swami.
@@hgwash1 I understand your point of view. I wish with all my heart the plantbased vegan solution was the perfect world vision but its only working for a few is what I'm seeing .We all hear the stories of many long term vegans having serious difficulties..they are not all just giving up from bloodlust..there are real problems. And ahimsa dairyfarms dont run at a profit.They need all the support they can get and its sad to see frontline vegans would rather hold to ridgid beliefs than try to understand, while many PB people turn to commercial factory farming again in defeat after a period of time. These ahimsa cows are not slaves.They live well and are happy.
@@graceunderfire941 I guess you are thoroughly brainwashed! If you really wish from your heart you would not support these animal abusers. As I explained above, happy cows do not make it ethical just as happy prostitutes would not ever be. ISKCON profits by getting the dairy from the Ahimsa farm, it does not have to be profit center.
Ask any woman who has had a baby if they would like to be producing milk for 7 years after the birth and see what they say. Now tell them that milk is not for their baby but for the monk who lives next door.
Stop 🛑 nonsense talks Cow 🐄 is the mother of the whole creation and a human lactating mother is just a mother of his baby 🍼 Moreover cow produces more milk than calf requires but humans do not
In truth since the so called “Ahimsa milk” is just a rarity product, 99.99% of milk consumed today in the world is “blood milk”. This video becomes another excuse at the hands of milk consumers for their milk consumption. But that 99.9% milk happens to be “blood milk”.
Matsyā Devi Dāsi yes mataji we also have a vegan alternative for vitamin b12 Just eat chapatis fermented with lactobacillus which produces vitamin b12 How? :- while needing the dough add 2-3 Tbsp of ahimsa curd or vegan 🌱 nut 🥜 curd along with warm water Let it get fermented for 2-6 hours and you get b12 in the roti
World Vegan Vision fact. Another hyprocacy in India and amongst Hindus. They will save cows and bulls from slaughterhouses including cows but will not save even a buffalo calf. I live in kolkata and in one rescue cow shelter 1baby buffalo was bought by someone they dumped it in street, a weaning buffalo whose mom is killed later relocated in an private ngo in which there are 3 buffaloes only and cows full. Buffaloes are killed whether calf or adult in masses and their meat is called cara beef. Holy cow and unholy buffalo. Inhumane sickining Hindus
Simantini Sinha I don’t know about anyone but I am sorry for the world if they slaughtered an animal and I do feel bad but when it comes to cow then she is my mother and obviously 🙄 if a butcher is killing your mother and at the same time if he is killing an animal who will you rescue first?
@@Harshraj.sonu.1234 What exactly is your point? (BTW, it is not about how you feel, it is about how the cows are treated all their lives and then killed for meat.)
My only riff on the milk and it’s products is the saturated fat content and watch how much concentrated protein you’re consuming and also in conjunction with the practices that Swamiji has laid out here as far as the care and life of the cows.100% organic grass fed cow should be the only cow.
I truly believe you are a good person and believe yours consumption of cows milk is just. My question is, do you need to drink the milk of cows? Is it Necessary? If desperate for milk could you not drink almond, rice, oat or coconut milk?
@@servant_Krsna No we don't have to! No animal in the world drinks the milk of even its own mother after a few months of age. Only humans exploit cows, buffaloes, camels, yaks, reindeer, goats, sheep and other animal. Do they have "symbiotic relationship" with humans, too? Are they all our mothers like a cow, too? This man is a fake, phony and fraud as far as milk is concerned.
Milk is the blood of the cow in a different form.Most people are brought up meateaters. Take that away from them & they crave a suitable replacement.See what happens if you take away meat from a railwayworker, miner , or construction worker.Is he happy with rice milk? Or will he go postal? It is easier for a girl or boy who doesn't do strenuous work, like keyboard warriors to choose full vegan.
@@graceunderfire941 When did you last see a railway worker? Every trade is mechanized. E.g., huge houses are built in a few weeks by a handful of people operating pneumatic nail guns. We have no excuse to eat meat even for strenuous work. The world record holder for weight lifting is a vegan. So, are a few ultra marathon champions like Rich Roll. Pull your head out of the sand and see what is happening around you. There are dialysis centers in every town just like fast food joints. The SAD (Standard American Diet) diet is the cause of dozens of the most common and deadly diseases.
Grace under fire completely disagree. I’ve been vegan for decades and I’ve competed Ironman for years. Are you saying you can’t be at your physical peak because you don’t eat animals in anyway? Name vitamins and minerals I can’t get from plants. What am in missing out on exactly?
🌈HARE KRISHNA🌈ITS ABOUT LOVE🌈AND ACCORDING MY EXPERIENCE EEEVEN INSIDE HUNGARIAN KRISHNA SOCIETY,ITS VERY VARIOUS HOW DEVOTES FEEL, DO AND SHARE LOVE...NOT EVERYONE IS SOFT AND GENTLE AS SIVA RAMA SWAMI,AND EEEVEN SHIVA RAMA SWAMI HAVE STILL WHAT TO LEARN,IS THE SAME STUDENT OF LOVE, VEDIC AND HUMAN LIFE AS EVERYONE AROUND...SOOO DIFFERENT PEOPLE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES....DIFFERENT PEOPLE DIFFERENT HANDLING...IF THE SOCIETY WILL BE SOOO LOVEFUL, SOFT AND GENTLE AND RESPECTFUL, I WILL PROBABLY STILL LIVE WITH THEM....ONE THING IS PRESENTATION ANOTHER LIVE SITUATIONS...ANYHOW...HARE KRISHNA,VEDIC CULTURE IS FAR OFF FROM COMMON BARBARITY OF "WHITE CIVILIZED EUROPEO AMERICAN DREAM"....WHICH ACTUALY IS A REAL NIGHTMARE...🌈🕉️🌈...CONCEPT OF AHIMSA ..THOU SHOULD NOT KILL...HMMM ..AS A VEGAN...RAW FOOD VEGAN,YOU DONT NEED TO KILL EEEVEN PLANT!!!....LEAVES,FRUITS,NUTS,FLOWERS ARE ENOUGH TO SURVIVE...AND FOR ALL WHAT WAS TAKEN,THE LIVING PLANT CREATE 3 TIMES MORE!!!....SO ACTUALY BY HARVESTING WE CREATE MORE LIFE🥰🥰🥰...AND WITHOUT ANY TOXIC VASTE!!!...SOOO WHICH KIND OF MANNERS ARE MORE LOVEFUL AND RESPECTFULL???....THATS THE REAL QUESTION....AND HOW MUCH LOVEFUL AND RESPECTFULL YOU WANT TO BE?...AND AS WELL,DEPENDS ON TYPE OF SOCIETY, HOW MUCH WE CAN BE!!!....AFTER ALL I RATHER LIVE ALONE...ITS MORE EASY TO PRESERVE GOODNESS ALONE THAN IN HIERARCHY OF LOVEFUL BUT UNPERFECT BEINGS!!!🌈🕉️🌈HARIBOLO🌈
The rat milk is for pups, The cat milk is for kittens, The dog milk is for puppies, The cow milk is for calves, NOT for humans. A simple logic! Why it is so hard to understand?
What if I was eating before and after realizing that I shouldn't and I left eating. The decision is good although but what about purity of soul inside?
Chant Hare Krishna Maha mantra the great mantra for deliverance in the present age of Kali Yuga. That will purify you of past karma. Learn to offer your food to Krishna for a karma free diet. This simple Krishna consciousness will make you happy and free. 🙏🏻
Very nice. It's good that someone appreciates the benefits of fresh milk. But that said, humans are food for many animals, just as many animals are food for humans. That's the way God made us.
Make your own coconut milk, much better in terms of nutrition and much more appealing than cows milk which are clearly not design to consume in large quantities
Haribol Maharaj, if we offer the non ahimsa dairy, doesn’t the animal benefit from the offering, so isn’t that better? Is it offensive to offer Krsna non ahimsa? Please answer as I sincerely want to understand and do the right thing. Than you
In hinduism it is not mentioned bot to eat meat. But it is classified as tamsik food . We should not consume non veg if we have veg options too. But if geographical condition force them then it might be consumable for life. So plz avoid eating meat . For our nature.
Krishn shud not gv birth n rebirth without asking us but shud take al souls to golok aftr showing it to us,thts r right . I nvr asked for cook,clean,outside work n unwanted prfsn,n othr probs life from golok,if i asked then plz tel him to show us tht memory.
Someday ISKCON will have to may far more than the average member of mankind for promoting dairy usage in the name of religion and 5000 year old tradition.
In India ..cow is treated asholy because it helps in agriculture..India is agriculture based..we never degraded any creature..cattle happily gave milk...no incident of taking away calf...from mother...we respect them and vice versa..be happy .tq
I being a long time vegan accept most of which you told. But in this kaliyuga, i have never seen a cow / buffalo cemetery in India. It is understood, a cow that serves humans milk all its life, has to become beef one day. I simply can't digest this fact. Also, you got this one wrong: If a snake drinks milk, it will die. So please stop offering milk to serpents on Nagarpanchami.
You should never drink milk unless you have your own cow and use the excess or if you get it from someone who practices the same. But this is highly highly unlikely. So just quit the milk and you’ll be helping millions of dairy cows. We could easily help the animals but not taking what isn’t ours. If your not aware of what happens in a dairy farm then I urge you to look into it. Krishna, god, Jesus, Buddha, non would agree with dairy products in todays time. God bless, Hare krishna
⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️ it is also so convenient that in your world view human beings happen to be one and the same with the Designer…. Meaning that that “designer” concept is only coming from a human brain’s imagination since no one has ever seen or talked to that designer…. As such YOU decide what food or labour is acceptable. How convenient. I am pretty sure cows and bulls in nature wouldn’t not do the labour you subject them to. You have to force/condition them to do it, yet without consent, since them can’t understand it. You treat them like former black slaves. House slaves bit treated than field slaves, but still slaves. And that, regardless of the species, is morally wrong.
raping cows and castrating bulls - does it make sense? Without these actions no animal farm can exist....even so called ahimsa farm yadi.sk/i/mCqJKc-neuND7 [A DOCUMENT] Minimum Cow Protection Standards ISKCON LAW 507 Endorsed by the Ministry of Cow Protection and Agriculture Approved by ISKCON's Governing Body Commission, March 1999.The following is a list of cow protection standards which is now ISKCON Law 507 Most of the standards have been discussed and formulated on the COM cow conference mostly by devotees who have had many years of experience caring for cows and/or the land;. INDEX SECTION 1 COW CARE STANDARDS · I) Protection · II) Organization of Cow Care Facilities · III) Shelter · IV) Feeding · V) Milking · VI) Training Oxen · VII) Traveling and Preaching Programs · VIII) Use of Krishna's Properties · SECTION 2 BREEDING STANDARDS · IX) Requirements for Acquiring Cows · X) Selection of Breeding Stock · XI) Castration · XII) Insemination of Cows ....... XI CASTRATION Recommended: · 1) Bull calves of European Taurean breeds should be castrated at 6 months to a year. Indian Zebu breeds should be castrated at 1 year to 2 years. · 2) The method of castration should be by emasculation, specifically using the tool bordezio (bloodless castration) performed by a veterinarian, or experienced professional. Permitted: · 1) Cutting by a veterinarian or experienced professional. · 2) Use of bordezio by experienced cowherd. Not Allowed: · 1) Banding (using rubber bands around the testicles until they drop off). · 2) Performing acceptable methods of castration by inexperienced cowherd. XII INSEMINATION OF COWS Recommended: · 1) Cows should be inseminated by a bull kept at the farm, rather than by artificial insemination, as requested by Srila Prabhupada. Such bulls must be properly enclosed for safety reasons, as well as to avoid unwanted inseminations. · 2) Careful records of breeding must be kept in order to avoid unplanned inbreeding. · 3) When a bull can not be kept safely and humanely, use of a community bull or neighbor's bulls is recommended. Permitted: · 1) Artificial Insemination may be used when in special circumstances bulls cannot be properly maintained. · 2) Bulls from a neighbor (even though not farmed according to Vaisnava principles) may also be used if they are suitable. · 3) Inbreeding may be practiced only under strict conditions by an experienced breeder.
@@satvata Fuck you brainwashed vegan cultist, they don't rape or castrate. They take care of animals & plants like their loved ones. Also Why do you eat fruits, seeds, vegetables that's plucked from industrial violence on plants? Their lives don't matter to you? Did plants give permission to take their seeds or future generation?
GREAT MIND DISCUSS IDEAS, AVERAGE MINDS DISCUSS EVENTS, SMALL MINDS DISCUSS PEOPLE! Your swear words, all hate that you generate, goes back to you. All dirty words and curses are like a young chicken: they always come home to roost. @@theyoungindians9027 before speaking (writing) to people, learn to be polite and speak politely and using your intelligence, not only emotions and dogmas. Learn some ethical rules, to respect an unknown interlocuter and people, if you really want to get answers to your questions. As you are ignorant regarding etiquette and regarding what is going on on the "ahimsa" farms flying in the clouds of your illusions. A constructive dialogue is not possible on the base of hate which you have chosen. Firstly introduce yourself, show your face (put your real photo in the profile) and be open to get full answers and speak honestly. Do not hide trying to offend others. Moreover, I was addressing not to you. Before starting to accuse make an attempt to know with whom you are speaking and which vision and what life style a person have. After all, your behavior and statements look really irrelevant, your message is more like an accentuated statement, not burdened with deep thoughts. So before interfering, addressing and offending, think twice how are you looking, acting and how your words and questions should sound and which form they should have. But even if you excuse for your impoliteness, I will not answer your "challenging" questions which only you consider strong and deep but that are not deep and strong in reality. :) What a person who respects himself wants to speak with such a hater like you? First deserve the opportunity to have a dialogue, then ask and desire something. Constructive conversation: en.sodiummedia.com/4263247-constructive-conversation-meaning-concept-rules-and-features What is a constructive? In order to understand what a constructive conversation means, it is necessary first to know the meaning of the word "constructive". A constructive is actions or reactions that are aimed at solving problem problems, normalizing relations and improving a difficult situation. The opposite of constructive is destructive. If a person uses profanity, insults, baselessly blames other people (that is, engages in activities that take time and lead to nothing) - this is destructive.
If the cows wouldn’t be in church property, they would be abused and harassed. The name church property is just given to passify the Hungarian government. The cows are taken care of for their whole life, and are dealt with with love and affection.
RESPONCE TO SIVARAMA SWAMI MAHARAJA: Dear Maharaja, please accept my obeisances. 1. COWS WERE DOMESTICATED, ORIGINALLY THEY WERE NOT LIVING WITH PEOPLE AND WERE NOT CREATED BY GOD FOR PEOPLE EXPLOITATION Could you answer please, why people domesticate cows? Why dont they let them live their own lives in forests as it was before? Cows should live in forests and fields free. If you dont bind cows they will leave cowboys and enjoy their free live in nature. "If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, its yours forever. If it doesn’t, then it was never meant to be". They dont come to us and dont give us milk. We take milk from them. It is true. Why we say that a cow GIVES us milk? Cows have their own interests in life. People have enough plants to eat. Why people should drink white animal's blood that causes so many diseases including diabetes and cancer? Why people think that God created cows for them? Isn't it antropo-centrism? If we think that cows belong to us , if we think that anything belongs to us, we are antropo-cetrics (human is the center of universe). If we follow theo-centricism (god-centrism) ethics then we appreciate that God created this world for His own glory, that He created cows for Him, not for us. Why we think that everything around us created for our pleasure and is our food? Animal milk and human milk are very, very different. When a man sucks cow's udder, it looks so disgusting and unnatural. Why we think it is so natural to drink cows' milk? Why don't we drink elephants' milk? If cows' milk is so natural then why half of world population cannot digest it and do not drink it at all? People drink their human mother milk when they don't have teeth , when they cannot chew plants, but as soon as a baby gets teeth it start to eat itself. It is so evident. Why we think and try to proof that we, humans, need animal milk? It is so unnatural and against the laws of nature! It looks like usual himsa. We can put an animal in a golden cage but it is a cage, no matter how much we pet that cow. It can enjoy its live only when that animal lives in the nature. Please watch how people catch wild cattle th-cam.com/video/UaVmsYHjdkM/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/TrdD3tzzTvE/w-d-xo.html Watch please how wild cows live in the nature th-cam.com/video/aIUrxYkzSYU/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/xMqsOLQX-kU/w-d-xo.html The herd of wild cattle have lived at Chillingham for over 800 years. There are only around 100 of them left, making them rarer than the Giant Panda: th-cam.com/video/Erqqn74J94A/w-d-xo.html 2. COWS DO NOT PRODUCE EXTRA MILK. It is mistake to think that animals produce extra milk. If you massage cow's udder every day more than necessary then of course it starts to produce more milk. So it is not true that cows give extra-milk. If one studies biology deeply, then one can understand that it is very big mistake to think so. No animal in the nature produces extra-milk. It is a law of nature. And anyway a human doesn't need to exploit cow's motherhood to taste animal milk. Human beings have interfered and have affected this quantity by artificially breeding (cross breeding, selection) and insemination. It is human intervention that made cows produce "extra-milk" . If a calf doesn't require milk , cow mother will stop secreting it. Everything works according to laws of nature. On farms cattle are given oxitocin injections which increase quantity of milk. So, people destroyed natural cycle and output of cows and buffaloes. Watch this video please (in Hindi but with English subtitles) th-cam.com/video/AShM6GOO25s/w-d-xo.html Sometimes calves and heifers produce milk. But it happens due to some reasons.1 constant suckling by other heifers 2. Feeding of estrogen containing plants (Alfalfa, Red clover, feeding of spoiled fodder that contains estrogenic micotoxin)4, presence of tumor in the granulosa cells of ovary which raises blood estrogen concentration, 5. placental transfer of steroid from mother to fetus stimulates milk secretion in the newborn) th-cam.com/video/qF4arLI7K04/w-d-xo.html 3. AHIMSA FARMS AND AHIMSA DAIRY DO NOT EXIST. Business model which we call ahimsa is actually not ahimsa. In nature wild animals multiply themselves. But if a human catches them , he cannot allow to multiply themselves that is why on every "ahimsa" farm animals are castrated and artificially inseminated. For example, if the (cow) farm was established in 1993 then today there should be thousands of cows there, on the farm. But numbers of cows is only 35. It means that animals are castrated. It is again interference into nature laws and cannot be considered ahimsa. Here is a video with English subtitles th-cam.com/video/2yU1CgmMkBI/w-d-xo.html 4. COW MILK IS DANGEROUS FOR HEALTH. PLANTS BASED MILK ALTERNATIVE. Milk doesnt give us calcium , it actually takes calcium from our body because it is difficult for our body to digest this white stuff. Milk doesn't increase brain power. It actually slowly intoxicate our bodies and makes our thinking slow. Animal milk damages health very much. Then why to breed cows? Why so many extra efforts? A human can find all nutritions he needs in plants. Drinking milk from "ahimsa" farms is also dangerous because cow milk contain natural sex hormons, when a cow gives milk, the estragen level in her body increases. Elevated levels of female hormones - estrogens (EOs - milk estrogens) are associated with cancers of the human female genital organs and mammary glands.Dairy estrogens survive processing, appear both in raw and commercial milk products. Hormones in milk effect on infertility in women. Casomorphins-breakdown products of casein, a milk protein, with opiate-like activity-may help explain why autism symptoms sometimes improve with a dairy-free diet.... 5. PERMACULTURE IS ALTERNATIVE TO AGRICULTURE AND ANIMAL FARMING. And a human doesn't need to exploit bulls to plow the land as there are much more effective methods of land cultivation. Please study what is permaculture (also vegan permaculture). Permaculture is much more effective than breeding & exploiting animals (for milk) culture. Permaculture also saves time, energy and planet. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture#Domesticated_animals th-cam.com/video/QBLKuYDh5S8/w-d-xo.html Old type of agriculture that devotees of Krishna try to apply is absolutely outdated. www.permaculture.com/node/140 Permaculture farming technique requires no machines, no chemicals and very little weeding. It does not require plowing the soil. One can just use prepared compost and yet the condition of the soil in the fields can improve each year. This method creates no pollution and does not require fossil fuels. This method requires less labor than any other, yet the yields in the fields compare favorably with the most productive farms which use all the technical know-how of modern science. 5. UPDATING OUTDATED CATTLE FARMING TRADITIONS. Dear Maharaja, please, consider this, as what people were doing many thousands years ago and what Sri Krishna did, and even what Prabhupada recommended (old type of agriculture and life sustenance) some years ago, cannot always fit to modern time. God can speak to us through "simple people" too (like those who invented permaculture), not only through acaryas. As acaryas teach us the spiritual science. And they cannot know all the sciences of the world. English subtitles th-cam.com/video/cLRL1bu02JY/w-d-xo.html vanisource.org/wiki/Philosophy_Discussion_on_Carl_Gustav_Jung?hl=superior (Part of conversation that shows difference between traditions for human survival and spiritual knowledge - one is temporary, other is eternal) "Prabhupāda: Yes. That is called tradition. That is called tradition. But that is not paramparā. Paramparā is different. Paramparā means we get the right knowledge from the supreme. It is not something ac..., what is called? What he is speaking? Śyāmasundara: Acquired. Archetypal. Means the original type. Prabhupāda: My acquired knowledge can be changed by understanding from superior. Just like generally we have got bodily concept of life, but Kṛṣṇa says, "No. You are not this body." So this knowledge is not coming to me from tradition, but I learn it from great authorities like Kṛṣṇa". *** The traditions created by humanity for survival can change, spiritual knowledge remains unchanged. And this is normal and natural, since the world does not stand still. Time is the representative of the Supreme Lord. 6. ANIMAL FARMING IS CAUSE OF PANDEMIA th-cam.com/video/wLvOMPRvhGM/w-d-xo.html www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2020/sep/15/covid-farm-animals-and-pandemics-diseases-that-changed-the-world
Cows are not only domesticated for their milk they can also be used in feilds ,cow dumb can be used as manure and then vegan can also get well naturally grown crops and many other benifits do not think like that drinking cow milk is like stealing milk from her child in india it is a ritual that first let the calf drink the milk
@@prashantsinghsisodia6709 , thank you for the answer. Have you ever heard about perma culture? It doesn't use any cow dung and is much more effective than such old and non effective method of land cultivation that you describe. I didn't write anything about stealing milk. And one cannot know what I think, so please read what I write and not about what I think. I wrote that it wass unnatural to catch cows in the nature and domesticate them. Moreover animal milk has completely different content than human milk and is not healthy for humans. And regarding India I can say you that India is now the biggest exporter of cows meat. Please check it on official websites. So better not to put India as a good example... Milk industry is the other black side of meat industry.. That is why GBC took resolution last year (2019) to stop to use commercial milk in iskcon centres
@@satvata when i said that india is protecting cows majority of vegiterians are also from india and govt of india has also concern about this matter and what are you talking nowdays it is very important domesticate cows where they will there is such a small amount of natural home rwmaining for them and you know the result of street cows and ok i will search perma agriculture anf it ia normal to drink cow milk because dogs and cats can also drink cow milk so it is natural to digest cow milk and nowdays cow milk is not at all pure
@@prashantsinghsisodia6709 thank you for your answer but I should tell that all what you wrote shows that you are not aware of what is going on in India (and in India's government and meat dairy business) and in nature. I studied this topic deeply as I consider it a big problem for our planet. Watch also film Cowspiracy. Or read books about the topic how animal industry destroy our planet. And what about dogs drinking milk from cows , it is such a poor argument. Animals can do and do nonsense things , so it doesn't mean that a human should copy their behaviour. God gave us brain to understand what is wrong and what is right. Milk of every animal has different content which nature created specifically for a particular animal. Cow milk is for calf and dogs milk is for a puppy. Those kinds of milk are very different. Please study biology. And if we drink milk of other spieces , we get ill. Such milk will never be digested properly. Moreover , a human doesn't need any animal milk. We need milk only of our real mother when we are babies , when we don't have teeth
@@satvata oh my god which argument is non sense then every carnivorous animal should be canibal all mammals have similar kind of milk but the content of every organic component is different and i used to drink milk daily but i still am healthy what are you taking there is no proven research which indicates that cow milk is not good for humans or is good for humans and do not forget that you are only capable of consuming food crops only because humans modified their agricultural practices which started from domesticating animals tell are you pure vegan or just do not consume dairy products aome researches states that cow milk is good for health and some are opposite of these that iscthe reason why i used to drink cow milk and if it is not good for my health then the result would have been cleared to me and please have a research on current steo taken by govt of india on beef and do not forget that beef culture was passed to india by outsiders tell me are you against krishna consciousness
I cnt hear al ur eng words clearly ,plz translate in hindi. How is ur cows inseminated,plz show? Y krishn not gvn tamsic food bad taste od health warning immediately ,y unclear uncorrecting late sudden covid?
You're not helping the cows being abused by talking about how healthy milk is. The fact is there are a lot of scientific studies that dairy products are not good for us.
Yes u r right....in western countries milk is not good for health because they give bad treatment to cow.....but in india it is good to have cow milk .....and also live spiritual life.....that u cant have
@@satvata but do you know who are producing those meat product in India they are Hindus or someone else they are mostly Muslims in South India aur ex hindus
I agree, Swami Maharaja has love and knowledge but think a bit - is it ok when Krishna devotees artificially inseminate cows (to have milk from them all their life) and castrate bulls (to stop increasing number of calves) and at the same time call those poor animals mother and father? If some people do the same with your real father and mother, what would you think and do?
Hello vegetarian community. I love cow protection 🐮 Love the video Swami. Tho i am vegan a long time ,i support the Hare Krishna Community and their care and use for their cows. If i had been on a HK farm i probably would have just remained vegetarian. I hope one day to come visit a Ahimsa Farm or Hare Krishna Farm to meet the cows and bulls and the people. 💗
Just full of excuses to keep considering cows as commodities. There's no need of milk, and traditions are made by humans. Humans can change tradition if they see they are wrong.
If you believe what you say at 4:50, that mankind will have to pay for their karma, I bet that ISKCON will be way ahead in the line to pay because ISKCON is actively promoting the use of dairy. I hope that your ghastly ghee laden karma will catch up with you soon!
Please come visit Sivarama Swami's spiritual eco-farm community in New Vraja Dhama, Hungary (Somogyvámos), and see for yourself how cows are treated there. :) Thank you! (admin)
@@SivaramaSwamiOfficial Hundreds of thousands of your devotees don't have the luxury of access to your exotic milk. They simply use the "blood milk" to perform bhakti as preached by ISKCON. Until ISKCON comes up with the magical and divine solution of producing economical ahimsa milk for the world, ISKCON should immediately stop using and preaching the use of dairy in life. Even if you treat the cows nice, it is not ethical to exploit them. How about building a shelter for women where they will stay in comfort and perform sexual work with only those that appeal to them. Will that be acceptable? May be it will be as that is what you are doing with the cows. No animal in the world needs milk after it gets teeth from its own mother, let alone the milk of another species.
Sivarama Swami strongly advises all his followers and disciples to not consume dairy products from commercial outlets, and follow a vegan lifestyle unless they have access to ahimsa milk. Centres under his care in Hungary do not use store bough milk at all. But unless people support ahimsa farms financially and with manpower, they will never be able to provide enough ahimsa milk for the community or the world. Obviously Sivarama Swami does not have power over the diets of all iskcon devotees. :) But he is creating these videos in which he is making clear his stand on this issue. For the last point in your comment, please watch this video from Sivarama Swami: th-cam.com/video/DPriJ8a0ick/w-d-xo.html
See Prabhu...most Vegans don't even support milk from protected cows and would still judge you and say you are stealing the milk. They are attacking Vedic culture. I cannot support veganism in any way
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Prabupada said:"When the mother cow is being killed, civilisation is finished".
The bottom lines are as follows:
1)The cow should be treated cruel free
2) We may raise the cows but not industrialise them in the sense that we should not artificially inseminate them in order to sell milk. I mean don't make cows a business.
3)If you are healthy and strong enough to digest milk, then you may take.
That's all. Hare Krishna 🙏
Cows’ milk is for baby cows. END OF.
This is a fairy tale. Only possible if you want to loose money caring for cows and loving them not possible feeding billions.
You are the first genuine Hindu I have found on the internet talking about cows and consumption of milk relating to her suffering, you have an actual sense of respect and love for cows not just for the shake of religious argument but in a true sense. I would consider your principle a lot like vegan, but turning completely vegan would be ideal.
We should all promote cow protection not veganism. The vedic way is to take care of the cow and milk them. If we were all vegan then the cows would be left to die in the wild.
@@williamseaborn6821 a 100% !!!!
Hare Krishna Swami Ji. We are already suffering the consequences of bad Karma. Look at all the Wars and quarrels
www.change.org/p/iskcon-org-tell-iskcon-to-stop-promoting-the-use-of-dairy-in-the-name-of-religion
That didn't age too well
For american people or westerns who are so radical about veganism I have to tell you , you have to come to India to see how cows are actually treated SO WELL here and not abused at all.
I mean... if I reincarnate as an indian cow next time... I am cool with it 😄
I stayed with an indian family for a while and they had 3 cows. Those cows were treated as very loved pets.
One day I found the little girls of the house placing a bindi on the cow's face ahah and singing to the cow.
They told me they were celebrating her birrhday! Cows do not feel discomfort at all when they are milked its a massage to them , otherwise they would try to run or to resist but that is not what they do at all.
So... if you think milk may not be good for the digestive system of humans, that would make sense to me.
I think so many people are intolerant I am not sure it is a healthy food.
But in India for real there is many places where milk comes from cows who are well taken care of , better than humans sometimes.
I mean in some places people even worships them.
So... its not a fair acusation at all, to say to indians that they are exploiting cows.
Watch the Unholy Cattle of India. India is the 2nd largest beef exporter in the world. You think big companies like Amul doesn't forcibly impregnate cows, separate their babies, and export them to other countries to be killed? You think Amul let them naturally breed, let mother and calf stay together, hand milk, and let the cow live till old age? You are mistaken. Cows are a lot of the time abandoned when they don't produce milk. Yes, in India.
@@yaamir7201 no no I wasn't talking about Amul. I was talking about a Goshala that I visited in Bangalore and about families that I know in Kerala and in Dharamashala who keep cows as loved pets.
Those families treat the cows very well.
Amul and the industrial milk that I don't know
I suposed they don't treat cows that well, but as its India I also thought maybe they aren't super cruel to them.
But I believe what you say. Maybe because of money they became so cruel to the cows too. That is very sad.
Cows are very sensitive animals.
I will make sure to not buy Amul milk.
@@Yulia.ambika It's not just Amul. Every commercial milk company views these cows as commodities only to be taken care of insofar as they produce milk.
Even some Goshalas forcibly impregnate cows, artificially inseminate, separate mother and baby. You have to be really careful about where you get your milk from.
Real ahimsa milk is not available for most, so sticking to a vegan lifestyle is most appropriate. The label 'Goshala' means nothing in and of itself. Unless you know there is genuine love, spiritual intention, and unconditional protection, best to avoid milk and opt for the cheap and nutritious soy milk🙏🏽 Hare Krishna.
Hare krishna mataji 🙏🏻 , sorry but majority of the Indian dairy farms and industries exploit cows for milk , only the few Hare krishna farms and Jain farms don't exploit cows but majority population consumes dairy products from industries. Majority of the dairy farms exploit cows , they impregnate them artificially and take their babies away. India has become 3rd largest beef exporter and the only reason dairy farms. I am a vegan and I too consume dairy when I got to iskcon because I know how they treat the cows but not every temple or dairy farm is ahimsa. I hope your understand that veganism is very important in India. Hare krishna 🙏🏻
Humans in kalyuga should never compare their relationship with cows with Krishna Ji's beautiful and pure relationship with cows. I refuse to believe that there is 100% cruelty free milk, it's not possible, it's not profitable and it's not sustainable, it requires HUGE HUGE amount of land, water and food. I will rather be a vegan, Krishna Ji will be happy with me more that way than to drink milk from poor tortures cow/buffalo
Please come to one of our Hare krsna farms you will see how cows are well looked after
@@locananandadas1916 it's not just about how cows are treated, where do you get the imgrenated cows from? if from breeders then do you know how cows are impregnated? it's such a dirty and violent practice, also do you take care for hundreds and hundreds of cows? since iskcon doesn't kill dry cows and male calves? if yes, how can you afford to care for hundreds of cows? where do you get so much land from?
Mahatma Gandhi's favorite Bhajan was
" Vaishnav Jann to tene kahiye ji, peed parayi jani re".
It means "One who is a Vaishnava feels the pain of others".
If we cannot feel the pain of cows when calves are separated from them for milk, we cannot be Vaishnava.
So be a complete vegan.. Hare Krishna😇
1st they feed to calves then only they take it for other purposes.....
you are very right!!! also cows are left on the streets they suffer and they die, some are illegally smuggled into states where slaughtering cows are legal like Bengal, 7 sisters, some states of the south and then there meat are sold with buffalo meat and India is also one of the biggest exporters of beef and leather, wonder what happens to all the buffalo and other cows
Thank you for speaking up for those who can't speak.
Cows really go through a lot of suffering in life. I pray for the day animals are happy and treated with respect.
Letter to: Rayarama
Dated: Nov. 19, 1968
Location: Los Angeles
"...Regarding propaganda against animal slaughter in BTG. Please do not print any picture showing how a cow is being murdered in our BTG. This will pollute the whole atmosphere. We are not meant for moving anyone's sentiment against animal slaughter, we are neither Buddhists or Jains, whose main propaganda is against animal slaughter. Even the so-called vegetarians who do not take Krishna prasadam are as much sinful as the non-vegetarians."
Please provide the full letter or its URL. Thanks
@@worldveganvision
Letter to: Rayarama
Dated: Nov. 19, 1968
Location: Los Angeles
Letter to: Rayarama
68-11-19
My Dear Rayarama,
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated Nov. 15, 1968, and noted the contents. I have already sent news to Mr. Barkley and Gehring to see me here. It appears that they want to start some magazine on religion. So I asked them to see me here. And I shall talk with them and see what is their idea. Regarding Press: I have already written to Brahmananda how the press should be started. The following principles should be followed strictly in our press: All the works of the press, including binding, and everything should be done by our men. We shall not accept any outside job for maintaining of this press. We will print simply our books and magazines, etc. And the boys and their families should be maintained by the sales proceeds of books and magazines. Brahmananda told me that binding in N.Y. is very expensive, and he is thinking of sending the papers to Holland for binding. These proposals are not at all practical. You write to say that Purusottama is desperate to come here, and stay with me for a while, so let him come, and if need be he will go back again.
Regarding your prediction of cataclysmic earthquakes in this side of your country, your fear of my life is certainly natural. I was pet child of my father whom I lost in 1930, and since then nobody was taking care of me as affectionate son. But Krishna has sent me so many fathers to take care of me in a far distant place in USA. So I am fortunate enough that you are all so anxious, but we must always depend on Krishna. Rest assured that this nonsense idea of cataclysmic earthquakes will never take place. And even if it takes place, why should we be afraid of it? As soon as there is sign of such earthquake, we shall sit down together and chant Hare Krishna. So it will be a great opportunity of meeting death while chanting Hare Krishna. If one dies on sound condition of body and mind chanting Hare Krishna, he is the most fortunate man. There is a proverb in which it is said, "My dear royal prince, please do not die. My dear Brahmacari, you die immediately. My dear saintly person, you die or live it is all the same. My dear butcher, you do not die and do not live." So we are neither butcher nor royal prince, some of us are Brahmacaris, and some of us are supposed to be saintly persons, so if the Brahmacaris die, he immediately goes to Vaikuntha, and if the saintly person dies, he is all the same-he is engaged here in Krishna's work, and he will be engaged in Krishna's work there also. So don't bother about this earthquake business. Chant Hare Krishna peacefully and do your duty nicely. Of course, if there is such danger, I must take care like others. It is not good however unnecessarily risk my life, but I think the predictions given by so many astrologers are not very sound. I take your advice that as soon as there are series of minor tremors I must leave for your shelter.
Regarding propaganda against animal slaughter in BTG. Please do not print any picture showing how a cow is being murdered in our BTG. This will pollute the whole atmosphere. We are not meant for moving anyone's sentiment against animal slaughter, we are neither Buddhists or Jains, whose main propaganda is against animal slaughter. Even the so-called vegetarians who do not take Krishna prasadam are as much sinful as the non-vegetarians. Our propaganda is different, to make people Krishna Conscious, which automatically makes them sympathetic against any kind of animal slaughter. According to Srimad-Bhagavatam, one living entity subsists on the life of other living entities, either vegetarian or non-vegetarian. But we are neither of them. We are not vegetarian nor non-vegetarian. We are transcendental. We are concerned with Krishna Prasadam. Try to popularize Krishna Prasadam as you have already done. People will naturally become vegetarian without any ghastly propaganda. The pictures of a mahajana or similar pictures for propagating the Bhagavata conclusion should be our objective. Other pictures, there are so many subject matters, just like we follow 4 principles, say for example, illicit sex life, we can publish so many pictures of illicit sex life, but that will not advance our cause. Similarly we may make propaganda against animal slaughter, but that will not advance our real cause. KC is based on pure understanding, not by any sentimental provocation. People must be intelligent enough to catch up this KC movement without being carried away by any sentimental wave. We should always remember that we do not belong to any group like the karmis, jnanis, or yogis. We belong to pure devotional service group, following the footprints of great mahajanas. Our purpose should be that we are in one side and all others they are on the other side. We deprecate everyone, even one who is against animal slaughter. In the Caitanya-caritamrta, it is clearly said that there are two classes of activities. Pious and impious. We do not favor any one of them. Neither we favor any philosophical speculation, we simply stick to Krishna, and wish to render loving transcendental service unto Him. That should be our main objective, and the policy of BTG must be pursued on this line of action. I hope you will understand me rightly. Everyone who is not a KC person is a butcher. Even the so-called pious man, who is not in KC, he is also a butcher. Because he is killing his own self. So in our view, everyone is butcher, and everyone is thief also, because he is enjoying Krishna's property. So how we can discriminate who is honest and dishonest and butcher and not butcher? Our only test is how one is taking to KC: Even a so-called butcher comes we welcome to chant Hare Krishna.
Hoping you are well.
Your ever well wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
One should understand properly the context of Prabhupad's words. He is not speaking against veganism here. He is speaking for higher spiritual consciousness that may automatically bring a person to the situation where he will naturally follow ahimsa. Read deeply and try to understand that. In this letter he speaks about positive engagement in devotional service that he considers better than just speaking negatively. It's true in that sense that people should know why and for whom they should go vegan or vegetarians.... Prabhupada was speaking strongly against animal sloughter, in every of his book one can find such statements. So one should understand that and doesn't misinterpret his words, one should have wide vision and have full picture. Ahimsa is spirituality cannot be separated. Krishna says about it in Bhagavad-Gita... Specisism (misuse of animals) is against vaishnava philosophy. So specisism we can also call sinfull.
@@satvata The instruction in the letter is obvious and direct, I'm affraid your understanding of context of Praphupads words are similar to Shankaracharya's comments on Vedanta-sutra. There is a lot of references on how parampara works - from guru to disciple without changes. Also how everything should be based on shastra. Can you provide any references to vegan practices either from shastra or acharyas?
@@0pend0wn oh Thank you for comparing me with such great personality. I m really not that high level :) :) nice challenge but it is so funny. Because you think out of your box. You sit in your box and think that world is do small as your box and all people should eat that what you eat and that all people should eat and depend on good as you depend...And giving names and comparing. Fortunately God is not sectererian and He doesn't operate dogmas like you do. In the same way, Prabhupada was not sectererian and he gave that instructions that his followers were able to fulfill. Yes, even scriptures are not narrow minded and give discription of every kind of diet and it is you , the person who choose there what you like to see and you understand in scriptures only that what you can understand. You read shastras but you read them not attentively otherwise you would not ask me such questions. Tell me firstly, if I give you all the explanations and quotes, will you change your life style? And why do you try to prove and justify your right to exploit animals and cow's motherhood? And one more question . How can you explain me that all what is written in shastras is written by god's hand and directly for you and this particular time and is fully adjusted by modern situation? And by the way, I addressed to Srila Sivarama swami , not to you. If you are writing on behalf of Swami , then I may share . If you are his secretary, it is nice. So I expect answers to my questions firstly. So please answer those questions firstly in some intelligent way. Then we will speak. Ok?
Because knowledge should be vivid isn't it? So if you cannot give me clear answers to my questions then you cannot solve the big contradiction that i see between shastras and real life. I see also some contradictions in some shastric statements, if you can explain those contradictions then we can proceed. So right now I cannot accept your words seriously and therefore I see that the person who misinterpreting is actually you ;)
I can also play a word "ping pong game " with you and say that it is you who don't see context and goal of shastras actually. So, your knowledge is a burden for you. Because real knowledge makes vision of a person very broad, and your knowledge makes you attached to food and matter :) right?
Hare Krishna 🕉️🚩 hare Bol 🔔 🕉️🙏 🙏
Krishna accept anything with Love ,,,, Making big farm not required if we reduced our consumption ,,,, anything can be possible in Hindu Dharma ,, (with perticular food or without that) because it doesn't have one single concept means Dharma teaches multiple ways to reduce our selfishness and also about sacrifice
And how are the cows impregnated ? Is it by artificial or forced insemination(getting a bull to forcibly impregnate the cow) ?
Lets say the cows in your farm are naturally bred and produce milk, this model is not possible to sustain the entire population this way hence why veganism is a more sensible option.
Well said!
Well in Iskcon vrindavan gowshala, you will see that only 10% cows give milk. The number of bulls equals the number of cows, and the milk is commercially unavailable. I think such kind of milk is not cruel. But almost all indians drink the milk being clueless about stuff about artificial insemination and forced insemination. They don't know about male calves being slaughtered. So I totally agree on your point to be vegan
If a Cow is Not, our Mother neither is her Milk, it belongs only to her Baby Calf, it is Unhealthy to our Body it causes things to Grow in Us, Dr, Michal Klaper speaks of Milk, have a Loving, Thursday 💕
Lets make this world with all her sentient beings a better place to live. Be kind, go ahimsa..
Yeppp.
Only if you are spiritually connected can one be so calm composed and sensible. Thank you.
Spiritual? He is a 'monk' with much money.
@@thethikboy he has no money.
@@cramphound Right the gurus of ISKCON have no money-
Beautiful and well thought words.
Anybody can act like that with a little practice. There are thousands of charlatans preying on weak minded people seeking guidance in religion, whether Hindu or Christian or any other.
Now days every dairy is cruel.
Even in India, people treat cows like commodity.
So not consuming milk is best option.
Please come visit Sivarama Swami's spiritual eco-farm community in new Vraja Dhama, Hungary, and see for yourself how cows are treated there. :) Thank you! (admin)
@@SivaramaSwamiOfficial I agree may be some of. But not generally.
@@SivaramaSwamiOfficial Looks like you haven't read Chapter 5, Verse 18 of the Bhagavad Gita.
Veganism isn't the best option. If we don't drink milk then the cow would be still taken for slaughter and if we were all vegan then the poor cows would be left to die in the wild. Veganism is new age and foreign to India. Milk is an important part of vedic Hindu culture so to attack milk is to attack vedic culture. If you truly care about cows and your culture then promote cow protection and dedicate your life to cow protection and vedic farms. Hare Krishna
@@SivaramaSwamiOfficial so this farm never ever sell off cows (even to temples), they are never tied? their babies are always with them none of them are taken away? they are always open and have shelter to sleep at night? they live for 15-25 years? and ALL of the cows from 15-25 years ago are still in the farm WITH ALL the kids??? and they are not impregnated artificially for the milk every year? they naturally mate with bulls and you that farm has this much of land to sustain all this? and all the water and food that they need? and methane they produce because of high demand for milk?
Hare krsna. I'm vegan, I completely agree thx.
हरे कृष्ण हरे कृष्ण, कृष्ण कृष्ण हरे हरे |
हरे राम हरे राम, राम राम हरे हरे ||
All glories to His Holiness Sivarama Swami Maharaj 🌷🌷🙏🙏🌷🌷
Jai Jai!!
Beautiful and thoughtful answers to some misconceptions that vegans may have. I have spoken to several vegans who have these misconceptions about cows and milk. This video by the Sivarama Swami answers those questions BRILLIANTLY. Many heartfelt thanks to the Swami and his team :)
Actually, it exposes how misinformed the swami is in the area of cow biology.
Actually...as someone who has worked 18 months previously on a butchery dairy farm
years ago and also lived on a Ahimsa dairy farm ..this video is of huge importance
and expertly expressed.
@@graceunderfire941 Ahimsa or Butchery, making money from animals is unethical! Why is it so hard to understand? Cows are not plants that we can confine and keep harvesting milk meant for cow's offsprings. How ethical would it be to operate a brothel where the ladies were brought in from poor families, may be allowed to have a family too but worked and lived in comfort offering their spare capacity. Ahimsa dairy is same as that. Even if the cows produced excess milk, it is not for the Swami.
@@hgwash1
I understand your point of view.
I wish with all my heart the plantbased vegan solution was the perfect world vision but its only working for a few is what I'm seeing .We all hear the stories of many long term vegans having serious difficulties..they are not all just giving up from bloodlust..there are real problems.
And ahimsa dairyfarms dont run at a profit.They need all the support they can get and its sad to see frontline vegans would rather hold to ridgid beliefs
than try to understand, while many PB people turn to commercial factory farming again in defeat after a period of time.
These ahimsa cows are not slaves.They live well and are happy.
@@graceunderfire941 I guess you are thoroughly brainwashed! If you really wish from your heart you would not support these animal abusers. As I explained above, happy cows do not make it ethical just as happy prostitutes would not ever be. ISKCON profits by getting the dairy from the Ahimsa farm, it does not have to be profit center.
Ask any woman who has had a baby if they would like to be producing milk for 7 years after the birth and see what they say. Now tell them that milk is not for their baby but for the monk who lives next door.
Human milk is not designed for adult consumption, so your what are you trying to say?
www.change.org/p/iskcon-org-tell-iskcon-to-stop-promoting-the-use-of-dairy-in-the-name-of-religion
Stop 🛑 nonsense talks
Cow 🐄 is the mother of the whole creation and a human lactating mother is just a mother of his baby 🍼
Moreover cow produces more milk than calf requires but humans do not
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1:30 sir u told really correct! The Violenceless milk is not possible in this era!
Thanks being great Religious Leaders!
Hare krishna 🥺
In truth since the so called “Ahimsa milk” is just a rarity product, 99.99% of milk consumed today in the world is “blood milk”.
This video becomes another excuse at the hands of milk consumers for their milk consumption. But that 99.9% milk happens to be “blood milk”.
Brother Swami ji addressed this issue hence said he is vegan unless he gets milk from This kind of ahimsa farms
Hare Krishna!
So if we don't get Ahimsa milk, do we have to stop taking dairy products. What if B12 becomes low, do we have any other alternatives?
Matsyā Devi Dāsi yes mataji we also have a vegan alternative for vitamin b12
Just eat chapatis fermented with lactobacillus which produces vitamin b12
How?
:- while needing the dough add 2-3 Tbsp of ahimsa curd or vegan 🌱 nut 🥜 curd along with warm water
Let it get fermented for 2-6 hours and you get b12 in the roti
Alex, we Hare Krishna’s do not consume that 99.9 % dairy and if we don’t get it then we stay vegan 🌱
He openly invites you on this video pls do visit once "Krishna Valley"
Yes. I agree wiv a comment below. Krishna prasadam is transcendental to any cruelty. And prabhupad had no problem wiv milk.
Hare Krishna ⚘⚘⚘⚘⚘🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Angry ,,aggressive vegans should watch this video
It just makes me more aggressive
HH Sivaram Swami Maharaj ki jai...
I live in kolkata and ISKCON (GOBINDA Restaurants) buy dairy milks. Its cruelty
ISKCON and many such movements are proponents of dairy usage and have invented the term Ahimsa Milk for justifying the animal exploitation.
World Vegan Vision fact. Another hyprocacy in India and amongst Hindus. They will save cows and bulls from slaughterhouses including cows but will not save even a buffalo calf. I live in kolkata and in one rescue cow shelter 1baby buffalo was bought by someone they dumped it in street, a weaning buffalo whose mom is killed later relocated in an private ngo in which there are 3 buffaloes only and cows full. Buffaloes are killed whether calf or adult in masses and their meat is called cara beef. Holy cow and unholy buffalo. Inhumane sickining Hindus
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Simantini Sinha I don’t know about anyone but I am sorry for the world if they slaughtered an animal and I do feel bad but when it comes to cow then she is my mother and obviously 🙄 if a butcher is killing your mother and at the same time if he is killing an animal who will you rescue first?
@@Harshraj.sonu.1234 What exactly is your point?
(BTW, it is not about how you feel, it is about how the cows are treated all their lives and then killed for meat.)
My only riff on the milk and it’s products is the saturated fat content and watch how much concentrated protein you’re consuming and also in conjunction with the practices that Swamiji has laid out here as far as the care and life of the cows.100% organic grass fed cow should be the only cow.
Cows left the hell alone should be the only cow.
Saturated fat isn't bad for you
Hearty Respect, Sir..
I'll change myself to
vegan soon.. atleast
I try my best frm nw
Please stop all kind of non veg this is my request
Hare Krishna. Where can I buy ahimsa or any cruelty free milk in powder form ? Thanks.
Thank you Brother
हरे कृष्णा 🕉️🙏🙏🕉️
All Glories to His Holiness Sivarama Swami 🙏🙏🙏
Hare Krishna Maharaj
Please respond to message of Oksana Putsik .she has really good points.
Waiting.thank you.
I truly believe you are a good person and believe yours consumption of cows milk is just. My question is, do you need to drink the milk of cows? Is it Necessary? If desperate for milk could you not drink almond, rice, oat or coconut milk?
We have to drink how milk Sir
Only thing is cow must be treated with care
@@servant_Krsna No we don't have to! No animal in the world drinks the milk of even its own mother after a few months of age. Only humans exploit cows, buffaloes, camels, yaks, reindeer, goats, sheep and other animal. Do they have "symbiotic relationship" with humans, too? Are they all our mothers like a cow, too? This man is a fake, phony and fraud as far as milk is concerned.
Milk is the blood of the cow in a different form.Most people are brought up meateaters. Take that away from them & they crave a suitable replacement.See what happens if you take away meat from a railwayworker, miner , or construction worker.Is he happy with rice milk? Or will he go postal?
It is easier for a girl or boy who doesn't do strenuous work, like keyboard warriors to choose full vegan.
@@graceunderfire941 When did you last see a railway worker? Every trade is mechanized. E.g., huge houses are built in a few weeks by a handful of people operating pneumatic nail guns. We have no excuse to eat meat even for strenuous work. The world record holder for weight lifting is a vegan. So, are a few ultra marathon champions like Rich Roll. Pull your head out of the sand and see what is happening around you. There are dialysis centers in every town just like fast food joints. The SAD (Standard American Diet) diet is the cause of dozens of the most common and deadly diseases.
Grace under fire completely disagree. I’ve been vegan for decades and I’ve competed Ironman for years. Are you saying you can’t be at your physical peak because you don’t eat animals in anyway? Name vitamins and minerals I can’t get from plants. What am in missing out on exactly?
Beautifully explained
🌈HARE KRISHNA🌈ITS ABOUT LOVE🌈AND ACCORDING MY EXPERIENCE EEEVEN INSIDE HUNGARIAN KRISHNA SOCIETY,ITS VERY VARIOUS HOW DEVOTES FEEL, DO AND SHARE LOVE...NOT EVERYONE IS SOFT AND GENTLE AS SIVA RAMA SWAMI,AND EEEVEN SHIVA RAMA SWAMI HAVE STILL WHAT TO LEARN,IS THE SAME STUDENT OF LOVE, VEDIC AND HUMAN LIFE AS EVERYONE AROUND...SOOO DIFFERENT PEOPLE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES....DIFFERENT PEOPLE DIFFERENT HANDLING...IF THE SOCIETY WILL BE SOOO LOVEFUL, SOFT AND GENTLE AND RESPECTFUL, I WILL PROBABLY STILL LIVE WITH THEM....ONE THING IS PRESENTATION ANOTHER LIVE SITUATIONS...ANYHOW...HARE KRISHNA,VEDIC CULTURE IS FAR OFF FROM COMMON BARBARITY OF "WHITE CIVILIZED EUROPEO AMERICAN DREAM"....WHICH ACTUALY IS A REAL NIGHTMARE...🌈🕉️🌈...CONCEPT OF AHIMSA ..THOU SHOULD NOT KILL...HMMM ..AS A VEGAN...RAW FOOD VEGAN,YOU DONT NEED TO KILL EEEVEN PLANT!!!....LEAVES,FRUITS,NUTS,FLOWERS ARE ENOUGH TO SURVIVE...AND FOR ALL WHAT WAS TAKEN,THE LIVING PLANT CREATE 3 TIMES MORE!!!....SO ACTUALY BY HARVESTING WE CREATE MORE LIFE🥰🥰🥰...AND WITHOUT ANY TOXIC VASTE!!!...SOOO WHICH KIND OF MANNERS ARE MORE LOVEFUL AND RESPECTFULL???....THATS THE REAL QUESTION....AND HOW MUCH LOVEFUL AND RESPECTFULL YOU WANT TO BE?...AND AS WELL,DEPENDS ON TYPE OF SOCIETY, HOW MUCH WE CAN BE!!!....AFTER ALL I RATHER LIVE ALONE...ITS MORE EASY TO PRESERVE GOODNESS ALONE THAN IN HIERARCHY OF LOVEFUL BUT UNPERFECT BEINGS!!!🌈🕉️🌈HARIBOLO🌈
Jaya Maharaja....
Wts d diff btwn iskcon prabhus n ,swamis?
Hare krishna maharaj ji...
Thank you.
I like this guy!
Wats wrong wiv goats milk products. I've used them for years. Easier to digest and taste nicer.
The rat milk is for pups,
The cat milk is for kittens,
The dog milk is for puppies,
The cow milk is for calves, NOT for humans.
A simple logic!
Why it is so hard to understand?
What if I was eating before and after realizing that I shouldn't and I left eating.
The decision is good although but what about purity of soul inside?
Chant Hare Krishna Maha mantra the great mantra for deliverance in the present age of Kali Yuga. That will purify you of past karma. Learn to offer your food to Krishna for a karma free diet. This simple Krishna consciousness will make you happy and free. 🙏🏻
Very nice. It's good that someone appreciates the benefits of fresh milk. But that said, humans are food for many animals, just as many animals are food for humans. That's the way God made us.
Total bullshit
@@keithlupton451 - Beef is best.
Make your own coconut milk, much better in terms of nutrition and much more appealing than cows milk which are clearly not design to consume in large quantities
As a meat eater, I applaud vegetarians.
can you please make a video on that. thanks hare karishna
Haribol Maharaj, if we offer the non ahimsa dairy, doesn’t the animal benefit from the offering, so isn’t that better? Is it offensive to offer Krsna non ahimsa? Please answer as I sincerely want to understand and do the right thing. Than you
You can find Sivarama Swami's reply here:
sivaramaswami.media/what-vedas-say-about-himsa-milk
Yes Prabhu. Prabhupada himself bought milk from western supermarkets
In hinduism it is not mentioned bot to eat meat. But it is classified as tamsik food . We should not consume non veg if we have veg options too. But if geographical condition force them then it might be consumable for life. So plz avoid eating meat . For our nature.
how to live a successful and happy life,,
we have uploaded videos on this topic :)
Krishn shud not gv birth n rebirth without asking us but shud take al souls to golok aftr showing it to us,thts r right . I nvr asked for cook,clean,outside work n unwanted prfsn,n othr probs life from golok,if i asked then plz tel him to show us tht memory.
Jay Hari Mauli
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Someday ISKCON will have to may far more than the average member of mankind for promoting dairy usage in the name of religion and 5000 year old tradition.
In India ..cow is treated asholy because it helps in agriculture..India is agriculture based..we never degraded any creature..cattle happily gave milk...no incident of taking away calf...from mother...we respect them and vice versa..be happy
.tq
I being a long time vegan accept most of which you told. But in this kaliyuga, i have never seen a cow / buffalo cemetery in India. It is understood, a cow that serves humans milk all its life, has to become beef one day. I simply can't digest this fact.
Also, you got this one wrong:
If a snake drinks milk, it will die. So please stop offering milk to serpents on Nagarpanchami.
You should never drink milk unless you have your own cow and use the excess or if you get it from someone who practices the same. But this is highly highly unlikely. So just quit the milk and you’ll be helping millions of dairy cows. We could easily help the animals but not taking what isn’t ours. If your not aware of what happens in a dairy farm then I urge you to look into it. Krishna, god, Jesus, Buddha, non would agree with dairy products in todays time. God bless, Hare krishna
Y krishn made this world ,y he dint kep us in golok only,whn wl he take uz back ending mtrl world forever?
Can't watch. Music too annoying. I'll just read comments
Very nice
i have a question ..is there any animal sacrificed mentioned ( reccomended) in veda?? thanks
No
⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️ it is also so convenient that in your world view human beings happen to be one and the same with the Designer…. Meaning that that “designer” concept is only coming from a human brain’s imagination since no one has ever seen or talked to that designer….
As such YOU decide what food or labour is acceptable. How convenient.
I am pretty sure cows and bulls in nature wouldn’t not do the labour you subject them to. You have to force/condition them to do it, yet without consent, since them can’t understand it.
You treat them like former black slaves. House slaves bit treated than field slaves, but still slaves. And that, regardless of the species, is morally wrong.
Excellent logic by Swamiji ! It makes complete sense!!
raping cows and castrating bulls - does it make sense? Without these actions no animal farm can exist....even so called ahimsa farm yadi.sk/i/mCqJKc-neuND7 [A DOCUMENT] Minimum Cow Protection Standards ISKCON LAW 507 Endorsed by the Ministry of Cow Protection and Agriculture
Approved by ISKCON's Governing Body Commission, March 1999.The following is a list of cow protection standards which is now ISKCON Law 507
Most of the standards have been discussed and formulated on the COM cow conference mostly by devotees who have had many years of experience caring for
cows and/or the land;.
INDEX
SECTION 1 COW CARE STANDARDS
· I) Protection
· II) Organization of Cow Care Facilities
· III) Shelter
· IV) Feeding
· V) Milking
· VI) Training Oxen
· VII) Traveling and Preaching Programs
· VIII) Use of Krishna's Properties
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SECTION 2 BREEDING STANDARDS
· IX) Requirements for Acquiring Cows
· X) Selection of Breeding Stock
· XI) Castration
· XII) Insemination of Cows
.......
XI CASTRATION
Recommended:
· 1) Bull calves of European Taurean
breeds should be castrated at 6 months to a
year. Indian Zebu breeds should be
castrated at 1 year to 2 years.
· 2) The method of castration should be by
emasculation, specifically using the tool
bordezio (bloodless castration) performed
by a veterinarian, or experienced
professional.
Permitted:
· 1) Cutting by a veterinarian or
experienced professional.
· 2) Use of bordezio by experienced
cowherd.
Not Allowed:
· 1) Banding (using rubber bands around
the testicles until they drop off).
· 2) Performing acceptable methods of
castration by inexperienced cowherd.
XII INSEMINATION OF COWS
Recommended:
· 1) Cows should be inseminated by a bull
kept at the farm, rather than by artificial
insemination, as requested by Srila
Prabhupada. Such bulls must be properly
enclosed for safety reasons, as well as to
avoid unwanted inseminations.
· 2) Careful records of breeding must be
kept in order to avoid unplanned
inbreeding.
· 3) When a bull can not be kept safely and
humanely, use of a community bull or
neighbor's bulls is recommended.
Permitted:
· 1) Artificial Insemination may be used
when in special circumstances bulls cannot
be properly maintained.
· 2) Bulls from a neighbor (even though not
farmed according to Vaisnava principles)
may also be used if they are suitable.
· 3) Inbreeding may be practiced only under
strict conditions by an experienced breeder.
@@satvata Fuck you brainwashed vegan cultist, they don't rape or castrate. They take care of animals & plants like their loved ones.
Also Why do you eat fruits, seeds, vegetables that's plucked from industrial violence on plants? Their lives don't matter to you? Did plants give permission to take their seeds or future generation?
GREAT MIND DISCUSS IDEAS, AVERAGE MINDS DISCUSS EVENTS, SMALL MINDS DISCUSS PEOPLE! Your swear words, all hate that you generate, goes back to you. All dirty words and curses are like a young chicken: they always come home to roost. @@theyoungindians9027 before speaking (writing) to people, learn to be polite and speak politely and using your intelligence, not only emotions and dogmas. Learn some ethical rules, to respect an unknown interlocuter and people, if you really want to get answers to your questions. As you are ignorant regarding etiquette and regarding what is going on on the "ahimsa" farms flying in the clouds of your illusions. A constructive dialogue is not possible on the base of hate which you have chosen. Firstly introduce yourself, show your face (put your real photo in the profile) and be open to get full answers and speak honestly. Do not hide trying to offend others. Moreover, I was addressing not to you. Before starting to accuse make an attempt to know with whom you are speaking and which vision and what life style a person have. After all, your behavior and statements look really irrelevant, your message is more like an accentuated statement, not burdened with deep thoughts. So before interfering, addressing and offending, think twice how are you looking, acting and how your words and questions should sound and which form they should have. But even if you excuse for your impoliteness, I will not answer your "challenging" questions which only you consider strong and deep but that are not deep and strong in reality. :) What a person who respects himself wants to speak with such a hater like you? First deserve the opportunity to have a dialogue, then ask and desire something.
Constructive conversation: en.sodiummedia.com/4263247-constructive-conversation-meaning-concept-rules-and-features
What is a constructive?
In order to understand what a constructive conversation means, it is necessary first to know the meaning of the word "constructive". A constructive is actions or reactions that are aimed at solving problem problems, normalizing relations and improving a difficult situation. The opposite of constructive is destructive. If a person uses profanity, insults, baselessly blames other people (that is, engages in activities that take time and lead to nothing) - this is destructive.
No logic unfortunately
@@satvata hey are you Russian vegan
Explain where are old cows 🐄 and show me bulls . Show me all of them Show me all children of cows 🐄 . Each year she has 1 baby .
But parents n god shud ask us br gvn us birth n rebirth nywhr!
I think it's telling that the cows are considered "church property"...when a sentient being is property that inherently is on shakey moral ground.
If the cows wouldn’t be in church property, they would be abused and harassed. The name church property is just given to passify the Hungarian government. The cows are taken care of for their whole life, and are dealt with with love and affection.
Hare krishna
RESPONCE TO SIVARAMA SWAMI MAHARAJA:
Dear Maharaja, please accept my obeisances.
1. COWS WERE DOMESTICATED, ORIGINALLY THEY WERE NOT LIVING WITH PEOPLE AND WERE NOT CREATED BY GOD FOR PEOPLE EXPLOITATION
Could you answer please, why people domesticate cows? Why dont they let them live their own lives in forests as it was before? Cows should live in forests and fields free. If you dont bind cows they will leave cowboys and enjoy their free live in nature. "If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, its yours forever. If it doesn’t, then it was never meant to be". They dont come to us and dont give us milk. We take milk from them. It is true. Why we say that a cow GIVES us milk? Cows have their own interests in life. People have enough plants to eat. Why people should drink white animal's blood that causes so many diseases including diabetes and cancer? Why people think that God created cows for them? Isn't it antropo-centrism? If we think that cows belong to us , if we think that anything belongs to us, we are antropo-cetrics (human is the center of universe). If we follow theo-centricism (god-centrism) ethics then we appreciate that God created this world for His own glory, that He created cows for Him, not for us. Why we think that everything around us created for our pleasure and is our food? Animal milk and human milk are very, very different. When a man sucks cow's udder, it looks so disgusting and unnatural. Why we think it is so natural to drink cows' milk? Why don't we drink elephants' milk? If cows' milk is so natural then why half of world population cannot digest it and do not drink it at all? People drink their human mother milk when they don't have teeth , when they cannot chew plants, but as soon as a baby gets teeth it start to eat itself. It is so evident. Why we think and try to proof that we, humans, need animal milk? It is so unnatural and against the laws of nature! It looks like usual himsa. We can put an animal in a golden cage but it is a cage, no matter how much we pet that cow. It can enjoy its live only when that animal lives in the nature. Please watch how people catch wild cattle th-cam.com/video/UaVmsYHjdkM/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/TrdD3tzzTvE/w-d-xo.html Watch please how wild cows live in the nature th-cam.com/video/aIUrxYkzSYU/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/xMqsOLQX-kU/w-d-xo.html The herd of wild cattle have lived at Chillingham for over 800 years. There are only around 100 of them left, making them rarer than the Giant Panda: th-cam.com/video/Erqqn74J94A/w-d-xo.html
2. COWS DO NOT PRODUCE EXTRA MILK. It is mistake to think that animals produce extra milk. If you massage cow's udder every day more than necessary then of course it starts to produce more milk. So it is not true that cows give extra-milk. If one studies biology deeply, then one can understand that it is very big mistake to think so. No animal in the nature produces extra-milk. It is a law of nature. And anyway a human doesn't need to exploit cow's motherhood to taste animal milk.
Human beings have interfered and have affected this quantity by artificially breeding (cross breeding, selection) and insemination. It is human intervention that made cows produce "extra-milk" . If a calf doesn't require milk , cow mother will stop secreting it. Everything works according to laws of nature. On farms cattle are given oxitocin injections which increase quantity of milk. So, people destroyed natural cycle and output of cows and buffaloes. Watch this video please (in Hindi but with English subtitles) th-cam.com/video/AShM6GOO25s/w-d-xo.html Sometimes calves and heifers produce milk. But it happens due to some reasons.1 constant suckling by other heifers 2. Feeding of estrogen containing plants (Alfalfa, Red clover, feeding of spoiled fodder that contains estrogenic micotoxin)4, presence of tumor in the granulosa cells of ovary which raises blood estrogen concentration, 5. placental transfer of steroid from mother to fetus stimulates milk secretion in the newborn) th-cam.com/video/qF4arLI7K04/w-d-xo.html
3. AHIMSA FARMS AND AHIMSA DAIRY DO NOT EXIST. Business model which we call ahimsa is actually not ahimsa. In nature wild animals multiply themselves. But if a human catches them , he cannot allow to multiply themselves that is why on every "ahimsa" farm animals are castrated and artificially inseminated. For example, if the (cow) farm was established in 1993 then today there should be thousands of cows there, on the farm. But numbers of cows is only 35. It means that animals are castrated. It is again interference into nature laws and cannot be considered ahimsa. Here is a video with English subtitles th-cam.com/video/2yU1CgmMkBI/w-d-xo.html
4. COW MILK IS DANGEROUS FOR HEALTH. PLANTS BASED MILK ALTERNATIVE. Milk doesnt give us calcium , it actually takes calcium from our body because it is difficult for our body to digest this white stuff. Milk doesn't increase brain power. It actually slowly intoxicate our bodies and makes our thinking slow. Animal milk damages health very much. Then why to breed cows? Why so many extra efforts? A human can find all nutritions he needs in plants. Drinking milk from "ahimsa" farms is also dangerous because cow milk contain natural sex hormons, when a cow gives milk, the estragen level in her body increases. Elevated levels of female hormones - estrogens (EOs - milk estrogens) are associated with cancers of the human female genital organs and mammary glands.Dairy estrogens survive processing, appear both in raw and commercial milk products. Hormones in milk effect on infertility in women. Casomorphins-breakdown products of casein, a milk protein, with opiate-like activity-may help explain why autism symptoms sometimes improve with a dairy-free diet....
5. PERMACULTURE IS ALTERNATIVE TO AGRICULTURE AND ANIMAL FARMING. And a human doesn't need to exploit bulls to plow the land as there are much more effective methods of land cultivation. Please study what is permaculture (also vegan permaculture). Permaculture is much more effective than breeding & exploiting animals (for milk) culture. Permaculture also saves time, energy and planet. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture#Domesticated_animals th-cam.com/video/QBLKuYDh5S8/w-d-xo.html Old type of agriculture that devotees of Krishna try to apply is absolutely outdated. www.permaculture.com/node/140 Permaculture farming technique requires no machines, no chemicals and very little weeding. It does not require plowing the soil. One can just use prepared compost and yet the condition of the soil in the fields can improve each year. This method creates no pollution and does not require fossil fuels. This method requires less labor than any other, yet the yields in the fields compare favorably with the most productive farms which use all the technical know-how of modern science.
5. UPDATING OUTDATED CATTLE FARMING TRADITIONS. Dear Maharaja, please, consider this, as what people were doing many thousands years ago and what Sri Krishna did, and even what Prabhupada recommended (old type of agriculture and life sustenance) some years ago, cannot always fit to modern time. God can speak to us through "simple people" too (like those who invented permaculture), not only through acaryas. As acaryas teach us the spiritual science. And they cannot know all the sciences of the world. English subtitles th-cam.com/video/cLRL1bu02JY/w-d-xo.html
vanisource.org/wiki/Philosophy_Discussion_on_Carl_Gustav_Jung?hl=superior (Part of conversation that shows difference between traditions for human survival and spiritual knowledge - one is temporary, other is eternal)
"Prabhupāda: Yes. That is called tradition. That is called tradition. But that is not paramparā. Paramparā is different. Paramparā means we get the right knowledge from the supreme. It is not something ac..., what is called? What he is speaking?
Śyāmasundara: Acquired. Archetypal. Means the original type.
Prabhupāda: My acquired knowledge can be changed by understanding from superior. Just like generally we have got bodily concept of life, but Kṛṣṇa says, "No. You are not this body." So this knowledge is not coming to me from tradition, but I learn it from great authorities like Kṛṣṇa". *** The traditions created by humanity for survival can change, spiritual knowledge remains unchanged. And this is normal and natural, since the world does not stand still. Time is the representative of the Supreme Lord.
6. ANIMAL FARMING IS CAUSE OF PANDEMIA th-cam.com/video/wLvOMPRvhGM/w-d-xo.html www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2020/sep/15/covid-farm-animals-and-pandemics-diseases-that-changed-the-world
Cows are not only domesticated for their milk they can also be used in feilds ,cow dumb can be used as manure and then vegan can also get well naturally grown crops and many other benifits do not think like that drinking cow milk is like stealing milk from her child in india it is a ritual that first let the calf drink the milk
@@prashantsinghsisodia6709 , thank you for the answer. Have you ever heard about perma culture? It doesn't use any cow dung and is much more effective than such old and non effective method of land cultivation that you describe. I didn't write anything about stealing milk. And one cannot know what I think, so please read what I write and not about what I think. I wrote that it wass unnatural to catch cows in the nature and domesticate them. Moreover animal milk has completely different content than human milk and is not healthy for humans. And regarding India I can say you that India is now the biggest exporter of cows meat. Please check it on official websites. So better not to put India as a good example... Milk industry is the other black side of meat industry.. That is why GBC took resolution last year (2019) to stop to use commercial milk in iskcon centres
@@satvata when i said that india is protecting cows majority of vegiterians are also from india and govt of india has also concern about this matter and what are you talking nowdays it is very important domesticate cows where they will there is such a small amount of natural home rwmaining for them and you know the result of street cows and ok i will search perma agriculture anf it ia normal to drink cow milk because dogs and cats can also drink cow milk so it is natural to digest cow milk and nowdays cow milk is not at all pure
@@prashantsinghsisodia6709 thank you for your answer but I should tell that all what you wrote shows that you are not aware of what is going on in India (and in India's government and meat dairy business) and in nature. I studied this topic deeply as I consider it a big problem for our planet. Watch also film Cowspiracy. Or read books about the topic how animal industry destroy our planet. And what about dogs drinking milk from cows , it is such a poor argument. Animals can do and do nonsense things , so it doesn't mean that a human should copy their behaviour. God gave us brain to understand what is wrong and what is right. Milk of every animal has different content which nature created specifically for a particular animal. Cow milk is for calf and dogs milk is for a puppy. Those kinds of milk are very different. Please study biology. And if we drink milk of other spieces , we get ill. Such milk will never be digested properly. Moreover , a human doesn't need any animal milk. We need milk only of our real mother when we are babies , when we don't have teeth
@@satvata oh my god which argument is non sense then every carnivorous animal should be canibal all mammals have similar kind of milk but the content of every organic component is different and i used to drink milk daily but i still am healthy what are you taking there is no proven research which indicates that cow milk is not good for humans or is good for humans and do not forget that you are only capable of consuming food crops only because humans modified their agricultural practices which started from domesticating animals tell are you pure vegan or just do not consume dairy products aome researches states that cow milk is good for health and some are opposite of these that iscthe reason why i used to drink cow milk and if it is not good for my health then the result would have been cleared to me and please have a research on current steo taken by govt of india on beef and do not forget that beef culture was passed to india by outsiders tell me are you against krishna consciousness
I cnt hear al ur eng words clearly ,plz translate in hindi. How is ur cows inseminated,plz show? Y krishn not gvn tamsic food bad taste od health warning immediately ,y unclear uncorrecting late sudden covid?
Not consuming milk is 1+1=3.
You're not helping the cows being abused by talking about how healthy milk is. The fact is there are a lot of scientific studies that dairy products are not good for us.
Yes u r right....in western countries milk is not good for health because they give bad treatment to cow.....but in india it is good to have cow milk .....and also live spiritual life.....that u cant have
m.th-cam.com/video/FIkG0wr5fh8/w-d-xo.html
achal kaushik see we don't live in India....
@@achalkaushik7450 India is the leader of meat (cow, buffaloes meat) export. Check official websites. Update your knowledge
@@satvata but do you know who are producing those meat product in India they are Hindus or someone else they are mostly Muslims in South India aur ex hindus
thank you, so much love.
I agree, Swami Maharaja has love and knowledge but think a bit - is it ok when Krishna devotees artificially inseminate cows (to have milk from them all their life) and castrate bulls (to stop increasing number of calves) and at the same time call those poor animals mother and father? If some people do the same with your real father and mother, what would you think and do?
Hello vegetarian community.
I love cow protection 🐮
Love the video Swami.
Tho i am vegan a long time ,i support the Hare Krishna Community and their care and use for their cows.
If i had been on a HK farm i probably would have just remained vegetarian.
I hope one day to come visit a Ahimsa Farm or Hare Krishna Farm to meet the cows and bulls and the people. 💗
But neither you nor your ashram friends are the Designer, so it is not in your place to decide what is acceptable labour for others.
www.change.org/p/iskcon-org-tell-iskcon-to-stop-promoting-the-use-of-dairy-in-the-name-of-religion
Petition signed 👍
Plz proove tht cows need mating evry year n milking for us every day,hw do u inseminate inate them isnt it painful n forced?
Just full of excuses to keep considering cows as commodities. There's no need of milk, and traditions are made by humans. Humans can change tradition if they see they are wrong.
Yessss
Jai HH Sivarama Swami! the background music is a bit loud
If you believe what you say at 4:50, that mankind will have to pay for their karma, I bet that ISKCON will be way ahead in the line to pay because ISKCON is actively promoting the use of dairy. I hope that your ghastly ghee laden karma will catch up with you soon!
Please come visit Sivarama Swami's spiritual eco-farm community in New Vraja Dhama, Hungary (Somogyvámos), and see for yourself how cows are treated there. :) Thank you! (admin)
@@SivaramaSwamiOfficial Hundreds of thousands of your devotees don't have the luxury of access to your exotic milk. They simply use the "blood milk" to perform bhakti as preached by ISKCON. Until ISKCON comes up with the magical and divine solution of producing economical ahimsa milk for the world, ISKCON should immediately stop using and preaching the use of dairy in life. Even if you treat the cows nice, it is not ethical to exploit them. How about building a shelter for women where they will stay in comfort and perform sexual work with only those that appeal to them. Will that be acceptable? May be it will be as that is what you are doing with the cows. No animal in the world needs milk after it gets teeth from its own mother, let alone the milk of another species.
Sivarama Swami strongly advises all his followers and disciples to not consume dairy products from commercial outlets, and follow a vegan lifestyle unless they have access to ahimsa milk. Centres under his care in Hungary do not use store bough milk at all. But unless people support ahimsa farms financially and with manpower, they will never be able to provide enough ahimsa milk for the community or the world. Obviously Sivarama Swami does not have power over the diets of all iskcon devotees. :) But he is creating these videos in which he is making clear his stand on this issue.
For the last point in your comment, please watch this video from Sivarama Swami: th-cam.com/video/DPriJ8a0ick/w-d-xo.html
See Prabhu...most Vegans don't even support milk from protected cows and would still judge you and say you are stealing the milk. They are attacking Vedic culture. I cannot support veganism in any way
⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️ i have a hard time understanding how cows and bulls can be AT THE SAME TIME considered as “mothers” and “fathers” AND properties….. commodities…… you hiding that fact behind a symbiotic relationship is disturbing.
I would ask HOW the cows get impregnated? HOW do you get the semen? WHAT happens to male calves? Would you apply the same exact practices to your human family members???
Veganism means we leave the animals alone free to decide as they please for their own lives, and for domesticated animals that can’t be rewilded, we care for them as best as we can for their own sake without asking anything from them, as they can’t comprehend the concept of CONSENT. Simple.
If you believe what you say at 4;00, why don't you eat meat, too! The designer has provided it to the billions of the world, why not you?
Don't you have anything better to do than to harass Iskcon?
Cows produce milk for their babies, not humans. Lol
You keep speaking nonsense.
@aravindanimalactivist8192