Someone commented on my recent W650 video that your channel has a lot of information on the W800. They were right. I've never seen a W800 in the wild but your video sure gives a fine introduction. My W650 is rare and I don't suspect I'll often see another on the road. But like you say, it's hard to understand why these retro Kawasaki motorcycles didn't sell better. There sure seems to be enough of us old guys who dream of those Triumph/BSA/Norton styled bikes of our youth to buy them!
I actually made a local friend recently, we started talking because he has a W650 and I recongized it at the local creemee (soft servce icecream) shop. They are definitely unusual bikes to own, and I just can't figure out why. Welcome to the channel! Thank you for commenting!
I could have made this vid myself, your take on the W is the same as mine. I've owned a lot of bikes over the last 50 years and put a LOT of miles on them, the W800 may be the sweetest one I've owned. A lot of people put down the W because it "only" has 47 BHP, I say if you can't get into trouble with that you aren't trying very hard! People have become to used to 100+ HP on modern machines that you really don't use or need. Flat torque curve that starts early in the rev range makes riding a pleasure! No need to wring it's neck to get going.
The best advice I can give someone who is curious about why the W has such a dedicated following is to take one for a test ride. There is SO much that the W has to offer that does NOT come across in spec sheets. It's an amazingly wonderful motorbike to own and ride! Thank you for commenting! One of my longest term friends used to say "Great minds think alike" when we would agree on things, that probably fits here too! 😉🏍
It's actually 52hp (51.7hp) at 6500rpm. In Europe it is rated at a lower rpm for their two level license system. They rate it 47hp at 6000rpm instead of the true hp at the higher rpm. Yes that is enough power to get you into trouble. It's a joy to own and ride. It is not perfect but it is dam close.
I have the identical bike and am in love with it. I look forward to riding it every chance I can. Of all the bikes I have owned this is my favourite by far.
After 11,000 miles on mine the original rear tire was worn, so I replaced both tires with Michelin Road Classic. I like them. I think an improvement in cornering and better for rain groves on the freeway. I enjoy your videos. Thanks.
You definitely got your money out of the stock tires! Thank you for confirming the information I have read about the Road Classics! Definitely looking forward to the upgrade this spring!
Thank you for commenting! I'm in process of making a video about something great Royal Enfield has done. (publishing a bunch of maintenance videos for the RE Super Meteor)
When the W650 came out I was shopping for a classic bike. Always loved the Triumph. Rode the Kaw. What the British twin could/should have been. Some older twins, like my '61 Matchless G12 were smooth and comfortable. Didn't buy the Kaw, got one of the first Road Stars. Tractor. Came with loud shorty pipes. After a year and a half, it went for a Hinkley Bonneville. Great bike, once I installed the "off-road " mufflers. 6 great years with her.
Really Love the W800. The engine is an absolute peach. It just goes and seems perpetually happy. Even at high speeds. Agree with you on all points. Unfortunately mine was totaled by a drunk driver on my way to work one morning.
I am so sorry to hear about your bike... I hope your injuries were minor! I am horrified about drunk drivers, as if motoring wasn't dangerous enough... Thank you for commenting!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Thank you. Your observations about the W are spot on. Really just a great bike. Only dealing with two broken arms and a broken leg. Thankfully wearing a helmet, armored jacket and gloves. ATGATT!
It's pouring with rain today . I haven't been out riding for a few weeks , so watching your video's... very enjoyable . We tend to romanticise our memories of 'those-old-bikes' , but you are right ; they were often not-going or broke-down and left us stranded , I won't even expand on 'the-electrics' . They were ahead-of-their-time though , in that they reminded you 'Daily' to check their oil , by leaving plenty on the ground as a visual-reminder . Dave NZ
I did a fair bit of roadside wrenching on my 1972 R75/5 in 1989 when I owned it... to be fair it was a 'well used' motorbike, and 17 years old at the time... (which is so funny because I own a 2003 BMW R1200CLC which is 19 years old (as of posting this) and I don't think of her as an old bike...) - - Thank you for the nice comment!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog It would be interesting to see what bikes people once-owned , based-on their owning the same bikes now ie. I currently own a W650 , TX650 and a TR1-chain-drive (the 1981 roadster that preceded the virago-cruiser-series ) . I have owned (for 12yrs) a 1973 600/5 , along-with a Norton 750-Atlas, various pre-80 Triumphs and a couple of BSA-s , a Laverda-triple ,750 ducati GT and a 900 Darmah (all long-gone now ) Many Japanese-bikes , I enjoyed them all and some Do linger in the-mind more than others . I don't know if it's old-age , or the emotional-attachment caused-by the amount of maintenance required to keep some of them going ! I also have 3k of gravel-road to negotiate before I get to the tarmac . It's a sunny-day , so here's hoping .. Dave NZ
@@kdsowen2882 - Does the NZ after Dave stand for New Zealand? If so you're almost to summer time! I also have gravel road prior to reaching tarmac, definitely has changed the size and weight of the bikes I prefer to get up and down the mountain.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Yes, New Zealand and this summer is shaping-up to be very hot , unusually 'tropical' so far, sudden thunderstorms/rain then very hot, very 'African' . Dave
You've absolutely hit the nail on the head on the head with this review. I've just bought a very low mileage 2020 model in the gorgeous green for £5k, bargain of the century to my mind. It is fitted with the bias ply Michelin classics which are much better than the original Dunlop cross plies. In 2021 the model had to conform to Euro5 emission standards and the ECU is locked down pretty tight, but the 2019 and 20 models are Euro4 and susceptible to a few mods like a booster plug, O2 sensor delete and PAIRS delete all of which make it go even better. In Britain our new bikes have to conform to these standards but fortunately they are not tested against them in our annual MOT test. The W800 is the perfect evocation of a sixties twin without the finger numbing vibes, due to its balancer shaft, but with enough left to remind you you're riding a real bike. I owned a new Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 for a while but found it utterly uninspiring. I think a generation has been raised on Japanese sewing-machine smooth motorcycles and most modern retros, Triumphs, RE etc try to emulate that feel whilst looking like a classic Bonny. However liquid cooling and multiple riding modes just doesn't cut it if you're after the real thing. The W800 engine is a work of art. Firstly it's a proper air cooled 360 degree twin, then it has that beautiful bevel drive overhead camshaft, reminiscent of the racing Nortons. It is a proper long stroke engine with bags of flexible torque to match, and a relatively low compression ratio, not like one of these short stroke machines that have to be rev'ed high to go anywhere. You can cruise around on a W800 and never reach 3000rpm or you can give it a handful and it pulls strongly to well over a ton. The power is about the same as the original Bonny, perfect for this 70 year old. The modern updates of anti-lock brakes and light weight slipper clutch just make it even better. I think there's not enough of us oldsters left still riding to appreciate a gem like this bike. It's sold very poorly compared to the modern pastiche retros and Kawasaki have now withdrawn it from the UK market. I would strongly advise buying one while they're still around, there won't be another bike like this ever built again.
Totally agree roblemon. I turned seventy yesterday and that means I have owned my 2022 W800 for exactly 2 years. The low down grunt in conjunction with free revving performance above 4000rpm is a rare combination in a motorcycles engine and makes the W a pleasure to own and ride. It never fails to surprise me how easily it rolls on for passing without even shifting out of 5th gear. tI will pull away from a stop without even touching the throttle. It will putt along a 30mph in 5th gear and roll on nicely to highway speed without shifting. It will get very light in the front end if you push the acceleration revs up beyond 5000rpm. What else could you ask for. Oh. It also has the best single front disc brake I've ever used. Cheers BJ
Did a partial restoration on a ‘76 T140v Bonneville a few years ago. Rode it occasionally, learned a ton about motorcycle maintenance and enjoyed every minute. Once sorted, it could be somewhat reliable… for what it is. Plenty fast with similar Hp and torque as the W800. Easy to ride, good handling and light weight. Vibrations and wind above 70mph gets uncomfortable pretty quick. 65 or so was about perfect. But age and kickstarts, modern gas, constant service, etc made me long for modern reliability, fuel injection, and new metals and electricals/electronics. New Triumphs meet all those modern requirements but seem to have lost the feel. To me, they lack the character of the old triumphs. And valve maintenance really looks a pain. I’m hoping the W800 may be what I’m looking for. If I can find one. Lots of cafe versions, I’ve sat on a couple but the handlebars and seat just are not comfortable at all. I’m not sure if the footpegs are ‘sporty’ or not but they felt so… maybe it was just the leaning position. Anyway, I’m enjoying your thoughtful and quiet tone as you describe your W800 riding experience. It sounds like what I’m looking for.
Thank you so very much for the detailed and thoughtful comment! From my perspective, the W800 recreates the experience of riding a classic parallel twin perfectly. True that lighting and brakes are thoroughly modern, which brings safety current, it doesn't impact the nostalgic feelings at all. I found mine at a dealer. 2 years old and still new. I did put 28mm risers on it to bring it more upright. Hopefully you can find one to test ride!
Good review. I had a Triumph Bonneville back in the late 70s. I started my motorcycle career on a Honda CB750 in the mid 70s. Of course im interested in the W800. It would go well with my VStrom DL1000 and Harley Road King. It is a hard choice between one of the newer Honda CB 1100's and the W800. The W800 it's much more beautiful.
The CB 1100 would definitely have more 'go' and the W is more of a 'show pony', for me it's right tool for the job. If I'm heading off road I take the BMW GS - if I'm heading out on Interstate I take the BMW CLC, if I'm headong out on 2 lane highways - I take the W800.
I discovered your chain today and it was a good surprise to me. I think we are in the same "wave lenghth". I'm from Porto/Portugal. I ride bikes since 1968 and I own at present a 2018 Royal Enfield Classic 500 & 2003 Moto Guzzi Breva 750. For several years I had a hope to own also a W 800, but my garage has his limits.
Thank you for commenting! I've always liked the Royal enfield Classic 500 - what a great looking bike! Glad you found the channel!
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If you were from Lisbon, we could meet and you could try my w650... albeit it is completely moded already :D ... curiously, Pedro from Ton-Up-Garage sold me my Daisy.
Good review. Two comments. There is mentioned the benefit of the standard fitted centre stand. NOT all W800 years / models have a standard fitted centre stand. Especially the Cafe /Street versions lack the centre stand. ( it's possible to buy the parts from Kawasaki and fit them afterwards. A reason why it never was a big seller success? one reason, the price is quite high ( in Europe that is)
Thank you for commenting! I do believe that the center stand can be fitted to those models, quite the oversight (weight savings I'm sure) for Kawisaki to not include it! Great feature IMHO.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog I have put of foam grips from eBay for a couple of dollars, and the tail rack. I used to modify my cars in the early days, but found things started to have problems electronical and rattles in the vehicle. So that has limited me to ever try it on a bike. I am not a mechanic but I change oil and small maintenance to my bikes. W800 Cafe and Concours. I have done no mods on the Concours other then grip stickers.
Nice, honest review. One point about the horsepower -- or lack of. I read that Kawasaki limited the W800 to 48hp in order for it to be eligible to riders in the UK who possess only a Category A license -- near to entry level. Think about it. With the horsepower limit the W is an option for more riders (though that probably didn't factor into more sales.) So Ian can be saddling 800cc on his W while his mate Graham must settle for 300cc on his 39hp Ninja 300. This is all meaningless to us riders in the US where you can (sadly) get your motorcycle license in the morning and head straight to your local motorcycle mall and buy a Ninja H2 in the afternoon. (Sigh.)
I've heard from W800 owners state side about Dyno numbers placing HP in the low 50s, would make sense that it's limited = < 48 bhp in UK for the A license. It is quite funny isn't it that here stateside, can get your license in an MFA course on a 250cc motorbike, and that license is good to go home and ride a rocket III... I like to describe the W800 has a tame, dependable steed, by not stressing the motor to it's limits, should be nearly bullet proof as well. For me, that beautiful bevel drive was a driving factor to buying one as well. Thank you so much for commenting!
@@rarcal9775 Uk and European W800s are rated at a lower rpm 47 or 48hp at 6000rpm. For the rest of the world they are 52 (51.7)hp at a higher 6500rpm. Just a slight of hand to get around the two level licensing. I don't believe there is really any difference in the bikes.
I love almost everything about that bike. From the looks to the sound. Sadly, and as much as I am thinking of buying one, I think that I won't. The lack of a sixth gear is what kills me and I believe that the reason why it sells so poorly in the US. Kawasaki made that bike more for other countries that lack all the large highways we have here in the US, with speed limits of 65-75 mph and most people going faster than that. Having 5 gears only was fine back in the 60's and 70's because back then the speed limit in the US was 55 mph, but times change. Kawasaki could had built the bike with the same look and feel but more capable at higher speeds. May be even a bit more power to help carry along the extra weight of gear in the back seat, or passenger, or passenger and gear at higher speeds. Someone commended that Kawasaki get the power low to target Europeans riders with limited licenses. Again, making it look like Kawasaki did not make this bike for the US. Yes, I get that this bike is not a tourer, but back in the days people did ride across the state (LA to San Francisco or San Diego), or even across state lines and cross country on these bikes' ancestors. I wonder how many of this type of bikes crossed the country on the famous Route 66? Again, because the highways of old days were so different. Sadly, some parts of Route 66 are not maintained and falling apart or gone, for what I hear. The Kawi Z650 does have a six speed transmission, even though not as retro looking as this bike it is still nice.
I agree on your points, for highway cruising, the Z RS series (650 o r 900) would be a much better match, a lot sportier too. I do believe in having the right tool for the job, for a single motorcycle that has to be an all rounder the W800 might not work for people who commute or tour by interstate. Thank you so much for your thoughtful comment!
No cruise on z bikes. Not sure why but they are better suited for hwy cruising but without cruise… kawi, I think missed the 6th gear on w and cruise on z.
5th gear is the same as 6th in other bikes. It is turning 3500rpm at 60, 4000rpm at 70 and 4200rpm at 75mph. It has such a wide power band that it does not need six speeds. All the old British bikes only had four speeds. At 75mph (120kph) the engine is right at it's sweet spot of smoothness. Six speeds are for high revving sport bikes that have such a narrow power band that you need to constantly be shifting to keep the motor from lugging. It's almost impossible to lug the W800. I don't think a six speed would have any advantages on the W800. It pulls nicely from 30mph to highway speed without even shifting out 5th gear. People expect a six speed as all the latest and greatest propaganda has convinced them of this and they feel cheated if they are not getting it. A six speed might make the bike sell better but it would not make it run any better or be any more fun to ride. Just my opinion of course.
The CB with it's four cylinder inline motor has a bit more horsepower than the parrallel twin of the W, while torque is about on par (albeit at a higher rev range on the CB). Very similar bikes in their design. I'm a big fan of the N+1 formula for how many motorbikes one should own (N = the amount of bikes you currently own), and having the right tool for the job. Even tho there's lots of new technology on the W compared ot the CB, they may be 'redundant' on many levels. I do have a video comparing the W to a G650GS, that may be of interest, as it's not an OR comparrison, it's an AND comparison.
I didn't know the Cafe didn't include a center stand. Good to know! Fabulous that the W comes in various models so people who like the W can find one they like
Nice. Wish they kept the kick starter to keep it period correct. (Looking at dealerships they seem to be short of a lot of new bikes, but usually have 2 or 3 W800s in stock so I would hope they are 'dealing on the price'.)
Having a kick starter would definitely be that 'extra' that would make this bike even better wouldn't it? For some reason the Ws didn't sell like I expected in the USA - that being said, you're on the money - some great deals on 'old new stock' at dealerships. Some very low, or no mile W's are still out there. I got mine on a bargain (2 year old new bike at dealership) - and absolutely love it. I have purchased a replacement seat, and new tires are going on this spring. Great retro motorbike!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Nice bike. I always thought of that model as a 2nd bike, since it must have similar quirks as the 1970's bikes since the vibration/buzziness in the seat when the engine is reving higher (since I doubt it is counterbalanced.) My first bike ever was a brand new 1974 Kawasaki KZ400 and I remember a buzziness to it, but I rode it on the highway and everywhere. Good memories.
@@pcthayer To be transparent, we have 5 bikes in our garage (between my wife and I) so it's definitely not my only bike. That being said, the 'buzzy' sensation only occurs at interstate speeds, and most in the feet, not really something I noticed in the seat. I use the W800 for 50mph two lane state routes and highways, and it's a dream for that.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog When my bike was new It had a slight buzz in the pegs, handle bars and seat at 3500rpm which is 60mph. Now that the bike is broken in I only get a tiny buzz in the pegs at that rpm. At freeway speed (70-75mph) it is silky smooth. In any case the buzz is not in anyway objectionable to me. Makes you aware that you are riding a machine with an engine and not Singer sewing machine.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog No, I have never taken it off the pavement. I had an Africa Twin for that. This is the only bike I have ever had that I actually try to avoid the rain and clean and shine all the time. lol
@@derangeddwayne5532 I've got a BMW G650GS to go on gravel/dirt roads myself. I totally get it, the W is SUCH a beautiful machine, would be a drag to get nicks and scrapes on it when I have a bike specifically7 designed to take those bumps beautiful (and with plastic instead of steel skin). I've decided on the Michelin Road Classics, tho it was tempting to go with the Bridgestone BT46 and see how the W does on dirt/gravel.
Both are beautiful bikes! For me, I prefer the mid controls over forward controls, which I admit is partially due to wanting to 'stand up' and use my legs to soak up some big bumps as I live rural, and our roads aren't always in the best condition (and I live in an area with unpaved roads).
I have the ‘19 Cafe and ran the Battlax BT46 combo and the AX41 combo set. The BT46’s were great for all things street and top end riding, but I tend ride a lot of rough backroads and mostly dirt than gravel roads. The AX41’s are better if you’re not into higher speeds and way better at the road less traveled. I get about 5000 miles per set, I’m sure most would get more….
@@rubo1964 The stock tires aren't the best when it comes to Interstate speeds (70mph / 112 kph and over - feels a bit floaty and follows rain grooves) However - it's a nimble bike with spot on handling on secondary and country roads (mostly where I ride) - replacing the tires with the Michelin or the Bridgestone solves the Interstate issue. Hope that helps!
I have same bike and LUV IT!! Want to raise handlebars, can u advise what size spacers u installed and if u had to reroute or change cables to make it fit. Thx
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073QNBPC6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&th=1 Those are the spacers I purchased 7/8" - they fit perfectly and no need to swith out cables. Just enough boost (28mm) to make it more comfortable for me. I'm 5'8" and they did the trick. I love seeing comments from peopel who adore their W800!
20mm risers on my W800 made my riding position much better. I have longer arms than Big Blue so I didn't need as much rise. If you are 5'8" or less the taller risers might be better but at closer to 6' the 20mm ones worked well for me and they were dirt cheap on Amazon.
The travel isn't bad, "Wheel Travel. 41mm telescopic fork with/5.1 in. Rear Suspension. / Wheel Travel. Twin shocks with spring preload adjustability/4.2 in." but I would definitely recommend 'improving' the suspension if you're going to do more than groomed dirt/gravel roads. The BattleAx 41s fit on it, so tire wise you are good to go.
At a shade over $6000, a little over 400 lbs, and maybe even a better looking retro, the RE Interceptor would seem to be a better choice. Much like my old 1972 Honda CB450.
The RE interceptor is produced in India and has many issues in a northern environment.. Rusting spokes and dodgy electrics to name just two. We get what we pay for in life.
The RE Interceptor is about 20 pounds wet lighter that the W800. The specs you are seeing are dry weight. The Interceptor has less torque and comes in at a higher rpm. The RE is a short stoke 270 degree crank engine. The W800 is a long stroke 360 degree crank engine like the BSA, Norton an Triumph bikes of the 60s and 70s. The W800 is also a bigger bike than the RE. Comparing the two is kind of pointless. They are no where near the same. The RE is a great bike in it's own right but the W800 is a different experience. You may feel it's over priced and that's fine. Don't buy one.
As far as top end speed is concerned or An overdrive type gear, this can be achieved by going up one tooth on the drive sprocket or getting a sprocket for the rear with 3 teeth less than standard. (I was shocked to find out that my Triumph t100 has a rear sprocket with 43 teeth, where as the one on my XS650 Yamaha was 34. What does that say about power and torque on the triumph (a bike that feels like it is going fast at low speed)?
According to WeBike - the W800 has Drive Sprocket Teeth Number 15 Driven Sprocket Teeth Number 37 japan.webike.net/KAWASAKI/W800/6216/m-spec/y2020/9299/
@@bigbluemotorbikedog The W800 has two less teeth on the rear sprocket than the W650. A few people have installed a 16 tooth front sprocket in place of the 15 tooth and claim to have made the speedometer more accurate. I know my W800 speedo reads about 3% higher than you are actually going but that's good for speeding ticket avoidance in some cases.
Does it seem that advances in build quality, reliability, and safety are a nice juxtaposition when used on a modern retro bike? Does the twin engine feel buzzy in top gear?
@@bigbluemotorbikedog I have zero buzz at 70mph and above. Only a slight buzz in the pegs at 60mph and it's more of a throb than a buzz. I kind of like it.
@@Bob-xc2us The more miles I put on mine the less of a buzziness, now it's just at 3500rpm, and a lot less intense than it was to mirror your comment. Thank you for commenting.
My thoughts on the W don't put it as an interstate focused motorcycle (Interstate speeds being an average of 65-75 mph in the USA). I tend to spend most of time on the W800 doing 2 lane highways, which are speed limit 50mph where I live, going as low as 25mph through towns and villages. Many use the W800 as a city bike. Can it do Interstates? Sure it can, definitely, (or so I've heard as doing that would be unlawful) it has a top speed of over 100mph. It does get wicked windy tho w/o any meaningful wind protection. I tend to use my BMW tourer to do any long distance Interstate riding.
I did find this: www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/kawasaki/w800/2011/#:~:text=The%20two%20biggest%20updates%20to,cruise%20along%20at%2080%2D90. Which states: The two biggest updates to the Kawasaki W800 are the growth in capacity and switch to fuel injection. The Kawasaki W800’s five-mill overbore takes it up from 676cc to 773cc, and is thrummingly pleasant: brisk enough for this kind of bike and happy to cruise along at 80-90. I find it a bit windy for any length of riding these speeds.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Interstate in the Western US is not 65-75 it is 80-85 in many states. What RPM are you at 70mph? I love the idea and look of the w800.
The power is pitiful and it needs to go on a diet. Depending where you live, the list price could be a joke, in some places they can't give them away, distributors having plenty of NOS bikes, up to 3 years old, at deep discounts. The aftermarket parts are almost non-existent due to low demand. What this means is: no hi compression pistons, no performance camshafts, you are stuck with the miserable 47 hp, and at rebuild time you are stuck with dealer parts only. You might think you will install an aftermarket exhaust, and you are in luck, there being one, or two sources worldwide, but expect a very long wait. It is a damn good, mostly ignored, motorcycle, meaning it has great potential of becoming an orphan if Kawasaki ever pulls the plug on it. If you could sneak about 65 hp out of it, shed about 100 lbs, it would be a perfect motorcycle.
It does seem like the Z RS series is more your type of bike, the W definitely was built to replicate the power and weight of the original W1. Thank you for commenting! Webike is Omega Racer are both great places for aftermarket parts (Webike has a lot) Not a lot of aftermarket available stateside for sure! Thank you for commenting
@@bigbluemotorbikedog The original series of W bikes were meant to take the British bikes head on. The 650 displacement W-1 has, itself, 45hp. This "new and improved" W series has such pitiful power to fall into the A-2 licensing category in Britain, as they seem to have some strange licensing thing going on there. Takegawa did make a big bore kit with good compression #01-05-0265, but it has been discontinued due to lack of sales. Other than that, you are pretty much on your own, sure you can get pistons made, and yes you can get a custom camshaft ground, but going that way gets expensive in a hurry. Even a lowly Royal Enfield 650 has 47 hp for a whole lot cheaper. As I said, these W800 motorcycles are great bikes, but for the money they are both under powered and heavy, so much so I considered buying one, did the homework, and they just come up short.
@@timjohnson1199 A good aftermarket exhaust should lose 50lbs anyway, maybe another 25 lbs going through the thing carefully with the idea of shedding weight. As I said, the distributor is backed up with NOS bikes, so a deal on a new one shouldn't be a problem, a low, low, mileage used one shouldn't be tough to find in the $5000 range, the ones from 2019 don't have those big fugly tank badges. I will suggest you poke around on the internet for a workshop manual (for free) and give it a peek before you commit yourself.
Many years ago, I owned very fast bikes. Upwards 100hp. Snatchy throttles and hard to ride slow in my experience. Seems the more i have the faster I feel compelled to go… and that got old and then so did I. Lots of 70+ Hp bikes out there in the new and used market if that’s what you want.
I’ve had one for 5yrs. Great bike. Never had a problem and ridden it rain, hail, snow and shine. Absolutely recommend!
Thank you for commenting! Love to hear about how reliable these bikes are!
Someone commented on my recent W650 video that your channel has a lot of information on the W800. They were right. I've never seen a W800 in the wild but your video sure gives a fine introduction.
My W650 is rare and I don't suspect I'll often see another on the road. But like you say, it's hard to understand why these retro Kawasaki motorcycles didn't sell better. There sure seems to be enough of us old guys who dream of those Triumph/BSA/Norton styled bikes of our youth to buy them!
I actually made a local friend recently, we started talking because he has a W650 and I recongized it at the local creemee (soft servce icecream) shop. They are definitely unusual bikes to own, and I just can't figure out why. Welcome to the channel! Thank you for commenting!
@@ScooterintheSticks they are just not fashionable
I started riding when I retired at age 55. My first and only bike so far. I love it.
Welcome to motorcycling! You picked a fantastic first bike!
I could have made this vid myself, your take on the W is the same as mine. I've owned a lot of bikes over the last 50 years and put a LOT of miles on them, the W800 may be the sweetest one I've owned.
A lot of people put down the W because it "only" has 47 BHP, I say if you can't get into trouble with that you aren't trying very hard! People have become to used to 100+ HP on modern machines that you really don't use or need. Flat torque curve that starts early in the rev range makes riding a pleasure! No need to wring it's neck to get going.
The best advice I can give someone who is curious about why the W has such a dedicated following is to take one for a test ride. There is SO much that the W has to offer that does NOT come across in spec sheets. It's an amazingly wonderful motorbike to own and ride! Thank you for commenting! One of my longest term friends used to say "Great minds think alike" when we would agree on things, that probably fits here too! 😉🏍
@@bigbluemotorbikedog You're right, the specs don't do it justice. Bought mine just from a interweb picture, love at first sight!
It's actually 52hp (51.7hp) at 6500rpm. In Europe it is rated at a lower rpm for their two level license system. They rate it 47hp at 6000rpm instead of the true hp at the higher rpm. Yes that is enough power to get you into trouble. It's a joy to own and ride. It is not perfect but it is dam close.
I have the identical bike and am in love with it. I look forward to riding it every chance I can. Of all the bikes I have owned this is my favourite by far.
I have a special connection to mine too!
Your description and review reads like prose . Excellent!
Thank you for commenting! That is a good way to describe riding! Poetry in motion!
After 11,000 miles on mine the original rear tire was worn, so I replaced both tires with Michelin Road Classic. I like them. I think an improvement in cornering and better for rain groves on the freeway. I enjoy your videos. Thanks.
You definitely got your money out of the stock tires! Thank you for confirming the information I have read about the Road Classics! Definitely looking forward to the upgrade this spring!
Keep up on this bike, no one knows what they are missing! Best known secret
I agree! Fantastic motorcycle!
Poetry in motion 👌 wonderful machine enjoy 😉
Thank you for commenting!
Really enjoy the manner in which you review a bike. Well done sir. Thumbs up & subscribe.
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I love mine. 2k miles in. A very rewarding riding experience.
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Which year / variant / color do you have?
What a beautiful bike! The Royal Field Classic is also beautiful
Thank you for commenting! I'm in process of making a video about something great Royal Enfield has done. (publishing a bunch of maintenance videos for the RE Super Meteor)
Bought one last year same color as yours. This is a keeper. 👌
I agree 100% - thank you for commenting!
When the W650 came out I was shopping for a classic bike. Always loved the Triumph. Rode the Kaw. What the British twin could/should have been.
Some older twins, like my '61 Matchless G12 were smooth and comfortable.
Didn't buy the Kaw, got one of the first Road Stars. Tractor. Came with loud shorty pipes.
After a year and a half, it went for a Hinkley Bonneville. Great bike, once I installed the "off-road " mufflers.
6 great years with her.
Love hearing about others experiences with bikes, thank you for commenting!
Really Love the W800. The engine is an absolute peach. It just goes and seems perpetually happy. Even at high speeds. Agree with you on all points. Unfortunately mine was totaled by a drunk driver on my way to work one morning.
I hope you were not injured. Your story reminds me of why I continue to hesitate switching to a street bike.
I am so sorry to hear about your bike... I hope your injuries were minor! I am horrified about drunk drivers, as if motoring wasn't dangerous enough...
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@@bigbluemotorbikedog Thank you. Your observations about the W are spot on. Really just a great bike. Only dealing with two broken arms and a broken leg. Thankfully wearing a helmet, armored jacket and gloves. ATGATT!
@@sammyday3341 17 years, one accident. Pretty good average I'm told... Thankfully I'm an ATGATT guy, otherwise I'd likely be taking a 6 foot dirt nap.
@@aproud1 I am a firm believer in ATGATT myself! Best wishes on a speedy and complete recovery!
It's pouring with rain today . I haven't been out riding for a few weeks , so watching your video's... very enjoyable . We tend to romanticise our memories of 'those-old-bikes' , but you are right ; they were often not-going or broke-down and left us stranded , I won't even expand on 'the-electrics' . They were ahead-of-their-time though , in that they reminded you 'Daily' to check their oil , by leaving plenty on the ground as a visual-reminder . Dave NZ
I did a fair bit of roadside wrenching on my 1972 R75/5 in 1989 when I owned it... to be fair it was a 'well used' motorbike, and 17 years old at the time... (which is so funny because I own a 2003 BMW R1200CLC which is 19 years old (as of posting this) and I don't think of her as an old bike...) - - Thank you for the nice comment!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog It would be interesting to see what bikes people once-owned , based-on their owning the same bikes now ie. I currently own a W650 , TX650 and a TR1-chain-drive (the 1981 roadster that preceded the virago-cruiser-series ) . I have owned (for 12yrs) a 1973 600/5 , along-with a Norton 750-Atlas, various pre-80 Triumphs and a couple of BSA-s , a Laverda-triple ,750 ducati GT and a 900 Darmah (all long-gone now ) Many Japanese-bikes , I enjoyed them all and some Do linger in the-mind more than others . I don't know if it's old-age , or the emotional-attachment caused-by the amount of maintenance required to keep some of them going ! I also have 3k of gravel-road to negotiate before I get to the tarmac . It's a sunny-day , so here's hoping .. Dave NZ
@@kdsowen2882 - Does the NZ after Dave stand for New Zealand? If so you're almost to summer time!
I also have gravel road prior to reaching tarmac, definitely has changed the size and weight of the bikes I prefer to get up and down the mountain.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Yes, New Zealand and this summer is shaping-up to be very hot , unusually 'tropical' so far, sudden thunderstorms/rain then very hot, very 'African' . Dave
Thanks for this video, the W800 very well explained 👍 I got one and what a lovely bike for chilly rides.
@@christianmouraux7269 how chilly do you ride your W?
Your voice and description sounds like. Hollywood hunk and we'll scripted. Really cinematic! I appreciate ❤
Thank you so much for the compliments and for commenting!
Cool vid, Ive got the W650 and love it to bits.
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What mods have you done to your W?
Beautifully said. Cheers and enjoy
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You've absolutely hit the nail on the head on the head with this review. I've just bought a very low mileage 2020 model in the gorgeous green for £5k, bargain of the century to my mind. It is fitted with the bias ply Michelin classics which are much better than the original Dunlop cross plies. In 2021 the model had to conform to Euro5 emission standards and the ECU is locked down pretty tight, but the 2019 and 20 models are Euro4 and susceptible to a few mods like a booster plug, O2 sensor delete and PAIRS delete all of which make it go even better. In Britain our new bikes have to conform to these standards but fortunately they are not tested against them in our annual MOT test.
The W800 is the perfect evocation of a sixties twin without the finger numbing vibes, due to its balancer shaft, but with enough left to remind you you're riding a real bike. I owned a new Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 for a while but found it utterly uninspiring. I think a generation has been raised on Japanese sewing-machine smooth motorcycles and most modern retros, Triumphs, RE etc try to emulate that feel whilst looking like a classic Bonny. However liquid cooling and multiple riding modes just doesn't cut it if you're after the real thing.
The W800 engine is a work of art. Firstly it's a proper air cooled 360 degree twin, then it has that beautiful bevel drive overhead camshaft, reminiscent of the racing Nortons. It is a proper long stroke engine with bags of flexible torque to match, and a relatively low compression ratio, not like one of these short stroke machines that have to be rev'ed high to go anywhere. You can cruise around on a W800 and never reach 3000rpm or you can give it a handful and it pulls strongly to well over a ton. The power is about the same as the original Bonny, perfect for this 70 year old.
The modern updates of anti-lock brakes and light weight slipper clutch just make it even better.
I think there's not enough of us oldsters left still riding to appreciate a gem like this bike. It's sold very poorly compared to the modern pastiche retros and Kawasaki have now withdrawn it from the UK market. I would strongly advise buying one while they're still around, there won't be another bike like this ever built again.
Well spoken, I wholeheartedly agree with all your points!
Totally agree roblemon. I turned seventy yesterday and that means I have owned my 2022 W800 for exactly 2 years. The low down grunt in conjunction with free revving performance above 4000rpm is a rare combination in a motorcycles engine and makes the W a pleasure to own and ride. It never fails to surprise me how easily it rolls on for passing without even shifting out of 5th gear. tI will pull away from a stop without even touching the throttle. It will putt along a 30mph in 5th gear and roll on nicely to highway speed without shifting. It will get very light in the front end if you push the acceleration revs up beyond 5000rpm. What else could you ask for. Oh. It also has the best single front disc brake I've ever used.
Cheers
BJ
Did a partial restoration on a ‘76 T140v Bonneville a few years ago. Rode it occasionally, learned a ton about motorcycle maintenance and enjoyed every minute. Once sorted, it could be somewhat reliable… for what it is. Plenty fast with similar Hp and torque as the W800. Easy to ride, good handling and light weight. Vibrations and wind above 70mph gets uncomfortable pretty quick. 65 or so was about perfect.
But age and kickstarts, modern gas, constant service, etc made me long for modern reliability, fuel injection, and new metals and electricals/electronics.
New Triumphs meet all those modern requirements but seem to have lost the feel. To me, they lack the character of the old triumphs. And valve maintenance really looks a pain.
I’m hoping the W800 may be what I’m looking for. If I can find one. Lots of cafe versions, I’ve sat on a couple but the handlebars and seat just are not comfortable at all. I’m not sure if the footpegs are ‘sporty’ or not but they felt so… maybe it was just the leaning position.
Anyway, I’m enjoying your thoughtful and quiet tone as you describe your W800 riding experience. It sounds like what I’m looking for.
Thank you so very much for the detailed and thoughtful comment!
From my perspective, the W800 recreates the experience of riding a classic parallel twin perfectly. True that lighting and brakes are thoroughly modern, which brings safety current, it doesn't impact the nostalgic feelings at all.
I found mine at a dealer. 2 years old and still new. I did put 28mm risers on it to bring it more upright. Hopefully you can find one to test ride!
Excellent review!
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Good review.
I had a Triumph Bonneville back in the late 70s.
I started my motorcycle career on a Honda CB750 in the mid 70s.
Of course im interested in the W800.
It would go well with my VStrom DL1000 and Harley Road King.
It is a hard choice between one of the newer Honda CB 1100's and the W800.
The W800 it's much more beautiful.
The CB 1100 would definitely have more 'go' and the W is more of a 'show pony', for me it's right tool for the job. If I'm heading off road I take the BMW GS - if I'm heading out on Interstate I take the BMW CLC, if I'm headong out on 2 lane highways - I take the W800.
I discovered your chain today and it was a good surprise to me. I think we are in the same "wave lenghth". I'm from Porto/Portugal. I ride bikes since 1968 and I own at present a 2018 Royal Enfield Classic 500 & 2003 Moto Guzzi Breva 750. For several years I had a hope to own also a W 800, but my garage has his limits.
Thank you for commenting!
I've always liked the Royal enfield Classic 500 - what a great looking bike!
Glad you found the channel!
If you were from Lisbon, we could meet and you could try my w650... albeit it is completely moded already :D ... curiously, Pedro from Ton-Up-Garage sold me my Daisy.
You need a bigger garage!
Good review. Two comments. There is mentioned the benefit of the standard fitted centre stand. NOT all W800 years / models have a standard fitted centre stand. Especially the Cafe /Street versions lack the centre stand. ( it's possible to buy the parts from Kawasaki and fit them afterwards. A reason why it never was a big seller success? one reason, the price is quite high ( in Europe that is)
Thank you for commenting! I do believe that the center stand can be fitted to those models, quite the oversight (weight savings I'm sure) for Kawisaki to not include it! Great feature IMHO.
You make me want a standard W800! Easy to do all services yourself.
Super easy bike to do maintenance on! Which modifications have you made to your Cafe?
@@bigbluemotorbikedog I have put of foam grips from eBay for a couple of dollars, and the tail rack. I used to modify my cars in the early days, but found things started to have problems electronical and rattles in the vehicle. So that has limited me to ever try it on a bike. I am not a mechanic but I change oil and small maintenance to my bikes. W800 Cafe and Concours. I have done no mods on the Concours other then grip stickers.
@@BlakesPipes I can understand the hesitation!
Nice, honest review. One point about the horsepower -- or lack of. I read that Kawasaki limited the W800 to 48hp in order for it to be eligible to riders in the UK who possess only a Category A license -- near to entry level. Think about it. With the horsepower limit the W is an option for more riders (though that probably didn't factor into more sales.) So Ian can be saddling 800cc on his W while his mate Graham must settle for 300cc on his 39hp Ninja 300. This is all meaningless to us riders in the US where you can (sadly) get your motorcycle license in the morning and head straight to your local motorcycle mall and buy a Ninja H2 in the afternoon. (Sigh.)
I've heard from W800 owners state side about Dyno numbers placing HP in the low 50s, would make sense that it's limited = < 48 bhp in UK for the A license. It is quite funny isn't it that here stateside, can get your license in an MFA course on a 250cc motorbike, and that license is good to go home and ride a rocket III... I like to describe the W800 has a tame, dependable steed, by not stressing the motor to it's limits, should be nearly bullet proof as well. For me, that beautiful bevel drive was a driving factor to buying one as well. Thank you so much for commenting!
The 48hp limitation is for all Europe new riders, not only UK ones. So you know mate!
@@rarcal9775 Uk and European W800s are rated at a lower rpm 47 or 48hp at 6000rpm. For the rest of the world they are 52 (51.7)hp at a higher 6500rpm. Just a slight of hand to get around the two level licensing. I don't believe there is really any difference in the bikes.
Liked teh video. You probably have the best voice on TH-cam !
Thank you so much for commenting! Maybe I should get in to the voice over business? Definitely appreciate the feedback!
Great video, and relaxing Asmr voice!
Thank you for commenting! I definitely appreciate the feedback!
I love almost everything about that bike. From the looks to the sound. Sadly, and as much as I am thinking of buying one, I think that I won't. The lack of a sixth gear is what kills me and I believe that the reason why it sells so poorly in the US. Kawasaki made that bike more for other countries that lack all the large highways we have here in the US, with speed limits of 65-75 mph and most people going faster than that. Having 5 gears only was fine back in the 60's and 70's because back then the speed limit in the US was 55 mph, but times change. Kawasaki could had built the bike with the same look and feel but more capable at higher speeds. May be even a bit more power to help carry along the extra weight of gear in the back seat, or passenger, or passenger and gear at higher speeds. Someone commended that Kawasaki get the power low to target Europeans riders with limited licenses. Again, making it look like Kawasaki did not make this bike for the US. Yes, I get that this bike is not a tourer, but back in the days people did ride across the state (LA to San Francisco or San Diego), or even across state lines and cross country on these bikes' ancestors. I wonder how many of this type of bikes crossed the country on the famous Route 66? Again, because the highways of old days were so different. Sadly, some parts of Route 66 are not maintained and falling apart or gone, for what I hear. The Kawi Z650 does have a six speed transmission, even though not as retro looking as this bike it is still nice.
I agree on your points, for highway cruising, the Z RS series (650 o r 900) would be a much better match, a lot sportier too. I do believe in having the right tool for the job, for a single motorcycle that has to be an all rounder the W800 might not work for people who commute or tour by interstate. Thank you so much for your thoughtful comment!
No cruise on z bikes. Not sure why but they are better suited for hwy cruising but without cruise… kawi, I think missed the 6th gear on w and cruise on z.
@@2WR467 Wouldn't it be grand to be there when those decisions were made to hear the reasoning?
70 to 75 miles per hour (4000 RPMs) is the sweet spot with mine on U.S. freeways…Perfect!
5th gear is the same as 6th in other bikes. It is turning 3500rpm at 60, 4000rpm at 70 and 4200rpm at 75mph. It has such a wide power band that it does not need six speeds. All the old British bikes only had four speeds. At 75mph (120kph) the engine is right at it's sweet spot of smoothness.
Six speeds are for high revving sport bikes that have such a narrow power band that you need to constantly be shifting to keep the motor from lugging. It's almost impossible to lug the W800. I don't think a six speed would have any advantages on the W800. It pulls nicely from 30mph to highway speed without even shifting out 5th gear. People expect a six speed as all the latest and greatest propaganda has convinced them of this and they feel cheated if they are not getting it. A six speed might make the bike sell better but it would not make it run any better or be any more fun to ride. Just my opinion of course.
Brilliant review - Thank You !!
Thank you for the nice comment!
like your review looks like a great bike,but I'll keep riding my 1977 CB 750 thanks
The CB with it's four cylinder inline motor has a bit more horsepower than the parrallel twin of the W, while torque is about on par (albeit at a higher rev range on the CB). Very similar bikes in their design. I'm a big fan of the N+1 formula for how many motorbikes one should own (N = the amount of bikes you currently own), and having the right tool for the job. Even tho there's lots of new technology on the W compared ot the CB, they may be 'redundant' on many levels. I do have a video comparing the W to a G650GS, that may be of interest, as it's not an OR comparrison, it's an AND comparison.
No centerstand of the Cafe! But I look cooler! And like the look better. So 200 dollars more you can get one. Love your channel.
I didn't know the Cafe didn't include a center stand. Good to know! Fabulous that the W comes in various models so people who like the W can find one they like
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Funny ! (well-said)
Stock center stand fits on the cafe with minor mods.
The W650 has the same horsepower with carbs though. Great bike.
Absolutely, and if you can find a good used one, probably a bargain to be had too! Thank you for commenting!
Nice. Wish they kept the kick starter to keep it period correct. (Looking at dealerships they seem to be short of a lot of new bikes, but usually have 2 or 3 W800s in stock so I would hope they are 'dealing on the price'.)
Having a kick starter would definitely be that 'extra' that would make this bike even better wouldn't it? For some reason the Ws didn't sell like I expected in the USA - that being said, you're on the money - some great deals on 'old new stock' at dealerships. Some very low, or no mile W's are still out there. I got mine on a bargain (2 year old new bike at dealership) - and absolutely love it. I have purchased a replacement seat, and new tires are going on this spring. Great retro motorbike!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Nice bike. I always thought of that model as a 2nd bike, since it must have similar quirks as the 1970's bikes since the vibration/buzziness in the seat when the engine is reving higher (since I doubt it is counterbalanced.) My first bike ever was a brand new 1974 Kawasaki KZ400 and I remember a buzziness to it, but I rode it on the highway and everywhere. Good memories.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog BTW...I just looked on cycletrader and I saw dealers selling the base W800 as low as $7199. Quite the deal.
@@pcthayer To be transparent, we have 5 bikes in our garage (between my wife and I) so it's definitely not my only bike. That being said, the 'buzzy' sensation only occurs at interstate speeds, and most in the feet, not really something I noticed in the seat. I use the W800 for 50mph two lane state routes and highways, and it's a dream for that.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog When my bike was new It had a slight buzz in the pegs, handle bars and seat at 3500rpm which is 60mph. Now that the bike is broken in I only get a tiny buzz in the pegs at that rpm. At freeway speed (70-75mph) it is silky smooth. In any case the buzz is not in anyway objectionable to me. Makes you aware that you are riding a machine with an engine and not Singer sewing machine.
I went with the Battlax BT46 only because Michelin was on backorder. Still happy with my choice as the stock tires were awful.
Do you take your W on dirt and gravel roads? If so, how does it do?
@@bigbluemotorbikedog No, I have never taken it off the pavement. I had an Africa Twin for that. This is the only bike I have ever had that I actually try to avoid the rain and clean and shine all the time. lol
@@derangeddwayne5532 I've got a BMW G650GS to go on gravel/dirt roads myself. I totally get it, the W is SUCH a beautiful machine, would be a drag to get nicks and scrapes on it when I have a bike specifically7 designed to take those bumps beautiful (and with plastic instead of steel skin). I've decided on the Michelin Road Classics, tho it was tempting to go with the Bridgestone BT46 and see how the W does on dirt/gravel.
If I was in the market it would be a had choice between the W800 and the triumph speed master.
Both are beautiful bikes! For me, I prefer the mid controls over forward controls, which I admit is partially due to wanting to 'stand up' and use my legs to soak up some big bumps as I live rural, and our roads aren't always in the best condition (and I live in an area with unpaved roads).
Love mine too 👍🏼
So glad to read that! Which moidifications (if any) have you done to your W?
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I have the ‘19 Cafe and ran the Battlax BT46 combo and the AX41 combo set. The BT46’s were great for all things street and top end riding, but I tend ride a lot of rough backroads and mostly dirt than gravel roads. The AX41’s are better if you’re not into higher speeds and way better at the road less traveled. I get about 5000 miles per set, I’m sure most would get more….
Great information! Thank you so much for commenting! Plenty of 30mph dirt/gravel roads in New England.
I read some said handling is horrible on this bike.What is your experience? Thank you
@@rubo1964 The stock tires aren't the best when it comes to Interstate speeds (70mph / 112 kph and over - feels a bit floaty and follows rain grooves) However - it's a nimble bike with spot on handling on secondary and country roads (mostly where I ride) - replacing the tires with the Michelin or the Bridgestone solves the Interstate issue. Hope that helps!
I have same bike and LUV IT!! Want to raise handlebars, can u advise what size spacers u installed and if u had to reroute or change cables to make it fit. Thx
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073QNBPC6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&th=1
Those are the spacers I purchased 7/8" - they fit perfectly and no need to swith out cables. Just enough boost (28mm) to make it more comfortable for me. I'm 5'8" and they did the trick. I love seeing comments from peopel who adore their W800!
20mm risers on my W800 made my riding position much better. I have longer arms than Big Blue so I didn't need as much rise. If you are 5'8" or less the taller risers might be better but at closer to 6' the 20mm ones worked well for me and they were dirt cheap on Amazon.
Did you tell us how much you weight brother? would love to know as a power to weight ratio exercise.
I weigh in at 95kg.
Thanks for the review. Can you please tell me where did you find the small fairing?
www.omegaracer.com/parts_store/prod_5788933-universal-aluminium-headlight-shield/
Love the low wind screen, where did you get that wind screen from?
Omega Racer, they have lots of great parts.
how bad is suspension to make it a scrambler?
The travel isn't bad, "Wheel Travel. 41mm telescopic fork with/5.1 in. Rear Suspension. / Wheel Travel. Twin shocks with spring preload adjustability/4.2 in." but I would definitely recommend 'improving' the suspension if you're going to do more than groomed dirt/gravel roads. The BattleAx 41s fit on it, so tire wise you are good to go.
At a shade over $6000, a little over 400 lbs, and maybe even a better looking retro, the RE Interceptor would seem to be a better choice. Much like my old 1972 Honda CB450.
There are a LOT of videos comparing the Interceptor to the W. All depends on your tastes and budget. I haven't ridden an Interceptor myself.
th-cam.com/video/o126vI1SxRQ/w-d-xo.html
The RE interceptor is produced in India and has many issues in a northern environment..
Rusting spokes and dodgy electrics to name just two.
We get what we pay for in life.
@@teddy5069 Thank you for commenting!
The RE Interceptor is about 20 pounds wet lighter that the W800. The specs you are seeing are dry weight. The Interceptor has less torque and comes in at a higher rpm. The RE is a short stoke 270 degree crank engine. The W800 is a long stroke 360 degree crank engine like the BSA, Norton an Triumph bikes of the 60s and 70s. The W800 is also a bigger bike than the RE. Comparing the two is kind of pointless. They are no where near the same. The RE is a great bike in it's own right but the W800 is a different experience. You may feel it's over priced and that's fine. Don't buy one.
As far as top end speed is concerned or An overdrive type gear, this can be achieved by going up one tooth on the drive sprocket or getting a sprocket for the rear with 3 teeth less than standard. (I was shocked to find out that my Triumph t100 has a rear sprocket with 43 teeth, where as the one on my XS650 Yamaha was 34. What does that say about power and torque on the triumph (a bike that feels like it is going fast at low speed)?
According to WeBike - the W800 has
Drive Sprocket Teeth Number 15
Driven Sprocket Teeth Number 37
japan.webike.net/KAWASAKI/W800/6216/m-spec/y2020/9299/
@@bigbluemotorbikedog The W800 has two less teeth on the rear sprocket than the W650. A few people have installed a 16 tooth front sprocket in place of the 15 tooth and claim to have made the speedometer more accurate. I know my W800 speedo reads about 3% higher than you are actually going but that's good for speeding ticket avoidance in some cases.
@@Bob-xc2us I will look in to that!
Does it seem that advances in build quality, reliability, and safety are a nice juxtaposition when used on a modern retro bike? Does the twin engine feel buzzy in top gear?
It's a 360 twin, so it does get buzzy at interstate speeds (70mph), not horrible however. Thank you for commenting!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog I have zero buzz at 70mph and above. Only a slight buzz in the pegs at 60mph and it's more of a throb than a buzz. I kind of like it.
@@Bob-xc2us The more miles I put on mine the less of a buzziness, now it's just at 3500rpm, and a lot less intense than it was to mirror your comment. Thank you for commenting.
It had me until the 5 speed transmission. Awesome bike but I hate the inefficiency of no overdrive. 70 mph what is the rpm?
My thoughts on the W don't put it as an interstate focused motorcycle (Interstate speeds being an average of 65-75 mph in the USA). I tend to spend most of time on the W800 doing 2 lane highways, which are speed limit 50mph where I live, going as low as 25mph through towns and villages. Many use the W800 as a city bike. Can it do Interstates? Sure it can, definitely, (or so I've heard as doing that would be unlawful) it has a top speed of over 100mph. It does get wicked windy tho w/o any meaningful wind protection. I tend to use my BMW tourer to do any long distance Interstate riding.
I did find this:
www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/kawasaki/w800/2011/#:~:text=The%20two%20biggest%20updates%20to,cruise%20along%20at%2080%2D90.
Which states:
The two biggest updates to the Kawasaki W800 are the growth in capacity and switch to fuel injection. The Kawasaki W800’s five-mill overbore takes it up from 676cc to 773cc, and is thrummingly pleasant: brisk enough for this kind of bike and happy to cruise along at 80-90.
I find it a bit windy for any length of riding these speeds.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Interstate in the Western US is not 65-75 it is 80-85 in many states. What RPM are you at 70mph? I love the idea and look of the w800.
@@rickkern5785 Guessing in the 4-5k range ... that is a guess tho, I'll run her up to 70mph and find out on my next ride.
@@rickkern5785 4k rpm in 5th at 70mph! Thanks for being patient
The power is pitiful and it needs to go on a diet. Depending where you live, the list price could be a joke, in some places they can't give them away, distributors having plenty of NOS bikes, up to 3 years old, at deep discounts. The aftermarket parts are almost non-existent due to low demand. What this means is: no hi compression pistons, no performance camshafts, you are stuck with the miserable 47 hp, and at rebuild time you are stuck with dealer parts only. You might think you will install an aftermarket exhaust, and you are in luck, there being one, or two sources worldwide, but expect a very long wait.
It is a damn good, mostly ignored, motorcycle, meaning it has great potential of becoming an orphan if Kawasaki ever pulls the plug on it. If you could sneak about 65 hp out of it, shed about 100 lbs, it would be a perfect motorcycle.
It does seem like the Z RS series is more your type of bike, the W definitely was built to replicate the power and weight of the original W1. Thank you for commenting! Webike is Omega Racer are both great places for aftermarket parts (Webike has a lot) Not a lot of aftermarket available stateside for sure!
Thank you for commenting
@@bigbluemotorbikedog The original series of W bikes were meant to take the British bikes head on. The 650 displacement W-1 has, itself, 45hp. This "new and improved" W series has such pitiful power to fall into the A-2 licensing category in Britain, as they seem to have some strange licensing thing going on there. Takegawa did make a big bore kit with good compression #01-05-0265, but it has been discontinued due to lack of sales. Other than that, you are pretty much on your own, sure you can get pistons made, and yes you can get a custom camshaft ground, but going that way gets expensive in a hurry. Even a lowly Royal Enfield 650 has 47 hp for a whole lot cheaper. As I said, these W800 motorcycles are great bikes, but for the money they are both under powered and heavy, so much so I considered buying one, did the homework, and they just come up short.
For me, shed that weight, and drop a couple of thousand dollars. That, would put it in my driveway.
@@timjohnson1199 A good aftermarket exhaust should lose 50lbs anyway, maybe another 25 lbs going through the thing carefully with the idea of shedding weight. As I said, the distributor is backed up with NOS bikes, so a deal on a new one shouldn't be a problem, a low, low, mileage used one shouldn't be tough to find in the $5000 range, the ones from 2019 don't have those big fugly tank badges. I will suggest you poke around on the internet for a workshop manual (for free) and give it a peek before you commit yourself.
Many years ago, I owned very fast bikes. Upwards 100hp. Snatchy throttles and hard to ride slow in my experience. Seems the more i have the faster I feel compelled to go… and that got old and then so did I. Lots of 70+ Hp bikes out there in the new and used market if that’s what you want.