Chevy ZR2 vs Jeep vs Cliffhanger 2.0: Our Toughest Off-Road Test
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To be completely stock right out of the dealership this ZR2 totally hits a home run. Not only made it up 2.0 smooth as glass but looked damn good doing it. Everything else that I have watched going up 2.0 with the exception of the PowerWagon has struggled to even make it to the top. The video doesn't lie. This is the way you should be able to buy an offroad worthy vehicle when you spend big $$$. You should not have to leave the dealership and go to the tire shop and buy tires and lifts and extra shocks etc.etc. in order for it to be a badass. Chevy built ya one right! Good job guys!
Man this video turned out great!! Thanks again guys! I had great time!
+Chris Laney Hey Chris! Thanks for driving up this long way!
+Chris Laney thanks Chris for bringing your truck to Colorado and sharing it with us and our viewers!
looks like you guys had fun
Big props to you man for taking your truck up Dare!
I'm jealous of your truck, looks like a lot of fun
Great Video. ZR2 is in a class of its own right now. More Rubicon than a Raptor and more Raptor than a Rubicon.
Especially glad to see it made it up without having to relocate the spare.
I love my ZR2 more than I thought I would. AppleCarPlay is amazing and the standard leather seats make it a nice cabin to be in. Rear leg room is also better than my 2016 G63.
Can't wait for round 2 next year ZR2 diesel vs Jeep JL diesel
Keep up the good work
God damn, a part of me doubted the ZR2 but there was no reason to doubt it. That Chevy performed with no issue
Even being a die-hard Dodge guy, I really want that truck.
blasphemy isnt appreciated
Tommy: "I drive the Aztec to school so I don't hurt the Jeep."
Roman: "Cliffhanger 2.0!!!"
Roman: "The nice thing about not having lockers is that you don't have to turn them on."
I got my 2017 ZR2 crew cab diesel for under $48,000 out the door. Truck is amazing! I was kicking myself in the ass for spending that much money on a midsize pickup. However hurricane Irma just passed over my area and the truck is showing her full potential.
scrimmy6969 god damnit bro I paid 44K for my new trd pro tundra
Awesome man. I've wanted a Raptor ever since they came out when I was in high school. Can totally relate for kicking yourself for how much we have to pay for these trucks, but some things in life are totally worth the expenditure.
Hopefully your resale value stays high too. Don't intend to sell but it is nice to have that fallback.
Do you like the diesel with the ZR2? I always figured having a high revving gas motor inside a Baja style truck is the way to go. Really interested in getting either a LT diesel or Z71/ZR2 gas in a few months
bmwmsport11 I love it! The only thing I didn't like was the turbo lag. I installed an S&B cold air intake and love it.
RAM TRUCKS Don't be a hater because his truck starts and is actually worth saving. If he drove a lamb like you he would roll it twords the water and call his insurance agent.
Love these videos guys!! Thank you chris for bringing out your ZR2... you both did great. And it was nice to see the new Jeep out too. Anxiously waiting for the jeep to jeep comparison... its like a sequel to the jeep Goldilocks video. 😊
I dig these Colorado's. Wish GM would do this with a full-size.
I wish they could get the aftermarket support yotas and jeeps get. The zr2 needs a long travel kit if you want to compare it even to a stock rubicon
Congratz it happened to 2 days ago we are getting silverado ZR2
You got your wish
8:49 It looks like your ABS cable is getting caught by the lower shock bolt.
Luke Wood that's what happens when you buy a jeep. They try to cram expensive electronics in and the quality of everything suffers because they can't pay workers enough to be bothered to design or manufacture anything to last
That's definitely an item that fell through the cracks when they did the lift.
My 2000 Cherokee has the same problem. Good to see that Jeep hasn't learned a lesson in 16 years
I saw that too.Drivers side front on the JK
I remember getting a big tree stump jammed between the rear axle and parking brake cable in my '01 Cherokee.
Nathans shirt was the best part
emark24 that's what he sleeps in lol
To the TFL crew. You guys are great and turn out the highest quality videos on utube. I don't think people realize how much work it is to turn out high quality every day. It cracks me up how negative people can be. Keep it up, and thanks for the entertainment.
+Manny Motta thanks for the kind comments. Very much appreciated!
I have a 2019 zr2 with the baby max with 90,000 miles. Love it. This truck works harder than you think and better than it should for a small truck.
Right as Nathan said roman crashing the drone .. I hit that like button 😂
That was great that you gave Chris the chance to show off his truck! Great job, Chris! And as always, good show, TFL. Keep 'em coming!
According to Roman, Cliff 2.0 is much worse now than before. The Taco TRD Pro didn't make it up when it was easier. Big win for the ZR2. Yes the shocks are hanging low but they survived didn't they? Plus they are still higher than the PowerWagon diff. Yes the diff can survive a harder impact, but when it's too hard, you're walking home. Bust a shock mount and you're not walking. I'm impressed with the Chevy.
Denis LeBlanc trd pro DID make it up.
Bradford Bradington It's been a while but I thought it had a problem towards the end when it was reportedly easier according to Roman. The Taco's biggest problem was its tires.
Yes, it struggled when using crawl control but they also did not air down the tires. Once they deactivated it and rear locker was engaged they climbed right over the razor edge. ZR2 definitely made it look easy, but had all the lockers engaged and tire pressure reduced even before starting up the trail. The tires are definitely better for trail riding on the ZR2, but these test's are more entertaining as a big picture rather than direct detail comparisons.
Bradford Bradington im not so sure the zr2 had its tires aired down since they like to run things straight from factory? I believe it was just for the jeep unless i missed something then my bad.
It made it up, but they had to take a few stabs at it before making it up and over. That said, it would be sweet if TFL can toss in a Tacoma TRD Pro along with their Wrangler vs ZR2 comparison next month.
Would had been nice to see more of the ZR2. Video was basically just a promo for the donated parts on the Jeep.
I'm glad Roman addressed the locker/sway bar issue - also that the current upgrades were sponsored. It definitely helps explain the abnormal upgrade path for sure.
Also, Chris was a pretty good driver.
Zr2 made it all look easy but you can see the difficulty in the trail... Thumbs up TFL 👍🏼 can't wait for the zr2 rubicon comparison.
Great video! The channel keeps improving and is a blast!
Roman has a record. That's one heck of a mugshot
Thanks for bringing your ZR2 bro! Great video
Glad to see the Rado kicking ass and taking names! 🙌🏻
He kept the price Under $50k?? I hope he meant $40k Retail is $41k. Great video !
I like these head-to-head competition videos. Comparing side-by-side is always better.
The owner of the ZR2 has confidence.
Great video! Im really happy to see sponsors sending you parts and to be honest it really makes me like their brands more!
Great video. Fun to see viewers come on the show and drive their own rigs.
I used an Aussie locker in my bone stock YJ with over 210,000 miles on the original 4.0 ... Can't believe how much that rear locker transformed her off-road!!! Dirt cheap and fairly bullet proof for mild off-roaders!
Throw one in your Jeep and test it back to back! Great episode potential...
I have done a fair amount of off-roading in my 2 door JK Rubicon. The only times I've really used lockers is to get up hills that are hard to even walk up, as in nothing but sky steep. The best thing you could do to get up that hill easier is to disconnect the front sway bar. A socket set, some zip-ties and about 10 minutes you'll have all the articulation you'll need to get up awkward corners like that. I am surprised the TF kit didn't come with disconnectable sway bar links.
The Firestone Destination MT is also notoriously hard and heavy for an MT, so you can safely air down to 15 psi for even more grip. Considering they're a range E at 35", you probably shouldn't have them more than 28psi for street driving for an even contact patch. Your Jeep probably weighs in around 4000lbs, those tires are meant to handle more than that per corner. The soft ride is due to the Falcon shocks, those things are beastly.
Way more than 4000 pounds for sure
Stock 2 door JK sport (which they had) would weigh in at about 3800-3900lbs. You add the bumper, winch, put the trektop on, and add the tires you'd be sitting around 4200lbs at most I would imagine. The tires definitely add weight but they haven't added much to the Jeep for sprung weight meaning the tires are still overkill. My own Jeep is definitely in the portly range with more armor and gear, but still below 5000lbs.
Great video guys. Can't wait for Rubicon vs Zr2. Rubicon is going to prove as always to be King of the Hill
Joe Yell my 2002 zr2 destroyed 2000s Rubicon. No disrespect, I really like the Rubicon, but it is seriously underpowered and stock to stock does not have the same freedom of movement even with sway disconnect
Thanks for the Jeep commercial.
Pretty sure Chevy took the spotlight there... Just out shined even the Jeep aftermarket parts... Completely Stock...
Chevy should be more than happy with it's comparison seeing it being compared to a jeep and the Colorado is stock!
Furious Styles well I mean it's straight from the lot, but it isn't "stock" it just doesn't needed anything to make it better cause it has it. Needs to be compared to a similar vehicle. Not a basic jeep with a lift and wheels.
William Garber They will be doing a comparison to the Rubicon once jeep sends it to them. My point is actually comparing it to any jeep is cool. It is not in any way a competitor or replacement. You know...
Sport model...
Good video. I appreciate you guys taking the time to do these. Goo information. Keep it up! 🙂
You guys should do a video of a upgraded Colorado Diesel non zr2 versus a wrangler non rubicon up cliffhanger for those that can’t afford the top of a line versions. I love your guys videos and love seeing all the shots of back home in Colorado!
Did you measure the steepness of Cliffhanger 2.0 using the ZR2's DIC off-road screen? Maximum pitch and roll?
Thanks.
Have a 2021 zr2 my buddy has a gladiator..zr2 did everything his gladiator Rubicon did except I he couldn't keep up with me on the flat lands out ran him everytime..but love my zr2 glad I got it..and do love the gladiators too
I love when fans bring their vehicles. The 2" lift Lexus GX and this for example...good stuff.
Just bought a truck couldn't get one with what I wanted so ordered a custom f150 reg cab 4x4 with locking 3.73 rear trying to add things as I need them so it needed leveling after I hit front air dam a few times and then added skidplates to protect the intercooler even with sketchy all terrains it makes it up everywhere with the diff locked
I can't wait to see you guys take the Broncos and ranger up there.
Been reviewing the 2015, 16 and 17 ford ranger and it does really well all around but the inside is still alot of plastics. But I think with 6km/100 is about 22mpg
Locking differentials are the first thing you should check off on your list. Proper gearing and 4 wheel power translation will make a more noticeable difference offroad than any lift, tire, or bumper. However, off-road has become pretty soft in America. Jon Bondurant’s “Tiny” .... great example of function over form in the Mall Crawler culture of today. Way to change the game Jon.
50 grand? Thats a decent starter home in my area!
Just bought a 2019 V6 ZR2 for $36,900 before tax (came with the Bose radio and GPS too) GREAT TRUCKS
Can you share from which dealer? Was it the crew cab?
Need a video of the zr2 with a lift and bigger tires
The ZR2 also has a longer wheelbase which helped get over that last part
Man do I love the new ZR-2!!
As an out-of-the-box stock off road truck the ZR2 is great. But you can go aftermarket with a regular Z71 and have nearly everything the ZR2 has, minus the front bumper, wider body, and warranty. External res suspension, probably more lift, better underbody protection etc.
Bumpers, Fr and Rr lockers, Off road programing, lift, track, skids, 4X4 DIC, tires and the DSSV's.
Amazing vid. I'm a jeep guy at heart but the zr2 has been calling my attention.
Also for the jeep please redress the break line it looks like it almost got caught acouple of times
That ZR2 is a true contender for my next vehicle.
I am getting one putting that bds 4 inch lift and some 33s cant wait
What about doing a Gimbal shot as the vehicle goes past and show an overlay angle meter to help demonstrate your point.
I saw quick disco sway bar end links in your undercarriage close up! Pull those clips and stow those end links up.
thats what i was thinking. they should take the 2 up a tighter trail and see who comes up easier.
For sure both are exceptional vehicles but the Jeep is going to go more places and the ZR2 is going to have better road manners and high speed characteristics. Nice to see front and rear lockers on the Chevy though definitely more than I expected them to do. TFLs Jeep would be so much more graceful disconnecting that sway bar and adding proper gearing even without the locker as the JK has a very capable brake locking diff traction system. Putting much larger then then the stock 31" tires on the ZR2 will pose as much more challenging too.
I like your new title screen.
RAM CUCKS Just admit that if it wasn't for the Cummins RAM would be the biggest failure in America.
SILVERADO THE KING OF TRUCKS false. Ram trucks, all models and trims are totally better than Chevy trucks... at least now. Go back to 2004 I'd agree with you. We all have our opinions tho. Every truck is better than a Silverado, or Serria. Expect for Toyotas
William Garber That sir is completely false. Ford and GM both make the best trucks as of this generation. RAM's ratings are going way downhill.
Some people live their lives in ignorance I like all trucks but rams are the worst
RAM TRUCKS LOL Ram pickups with a suspension built from old mattress springs. The Colorado has a higher payload than a lot of half-ton Rams. Pathetic!
You got a $7000 lift but not $70-100 sway bar disconnects on the Jeep?
At 7.46 you can see the shock mount pinching your brake line , might need some rerouting , big fan of the show ,like your work
Love seeing those locking diffs in action
Those shocks on the jeep are pretty low although close to the tire. Everyone is complaining about the lower rear shock mounts on the ZR2.
TFL at 1:36 I am staring right at your quick disconnect sway bar end link. The axle side you can see has a pin and clip. Your installer should have installed a stowing point somewhere above the top side of the link. Disco your sway bar on both sides and enjoy!!!!
Maybe he was expecting just a push button😂
Wow dude are you a troll? If his lift is setup wrong it's a problem with or without the sway bar connected. Sway bar disconnects especially on Jeeps make for great increase in capability.
Not that most people are going to wheel in a brand new G-Wagon, but that also has a locking front and rear.
Great video, can't wait for the Rubicon comparison.
ZRduece! What an epic truck! Just unstoppable. So much stock goodness.
@1:37 you can see the disconnect pin for the sway bar. All you had to do was pull it out and go. I'd like to show what these really can do on a much more serious trail.
I think a re gear would be money better spent on the Jeep vs lockers. The factory BLD and trac lock rear work quite well. Re gearing would give a much better crawl ratio after adding larger aftermarket tires.
I like toyot better but I'm a big fan of mid size pick ups, this is one of the best videos I've ever seen
Great video. It's all about those lockers, and I think the Rubicon will get thru just easy, but still an awesome truck. I hope they make a SUV version.
Dont put tape around the d-rings and get some d-ring isolators, thatll stop the clanging and banging.
Love the Moose encounter. Smart words of warning for those animals. Cannot wait to run CH2 and Penny gulch with some friends tomorrow.
I think you guys should do the same exact trail and I took all my TRT off-road stock. I really want to see that
In the Jeep lift kit video it looked like the teraflex kit had a manually disconnecting sway bar
You should make a a new segment called old off road tech or old vs. gold mine hill which means you go off roading on either gold mine hill or any off road trail on suv's and pickups ( 10 years or older ) can go on.... i suggest that u guys take a Chevrolet Trailblazer ( preferably the EXT Trailblazer which has a third row ) onto gold mine hill or an off road trail u guys think a Chevrolet Trailblazer EXT would go on. I want to see how off road worthy is Chevrolet Trailblazer EXT does off-roading. Plz and thank you.
Are Nathan and Roman lovers? The shirt says YES.....lol
Also the G wagen comes with front and rear lockers
Such a shame you can't get hardly any trucks in a manual trans anymore..
Wait, you call the video "Chevy ZR2 vs Jeep vs Cliffhanger 2.0", but then you say you're not comparing them?
Man those rear reservoirs would always have me uneasy.
As a Jeep 2dr 2012 MW3 owner I realize I have an Iconic limited edition vehicle as it is. It has been paid for since 2013. I only have 32,000 miles on her because I am retired and somewhat of a recluse because my ways and means translates to outright 2 second outrage/s amongst the weinee crowd.
My only real grip to my JK is the seats began to cause pain especially my sciatic nerve. If I spend more than an hour traveling without hopping out of it.
When this all new truck came out I went to my local GM dealer as they had only one on the lot left. Two wheel drive only, a turbo-four banger, four way power adjustable drivers seat. No frills stereo, cloth seats. BUT WoW! Perfect sitting position! I slow drove it around for about 10 min. In their back pot holed littered now mud hole infested huge back lot and literally was blown away at how soft the "STOCK Suspension" handled these ruts! Now I'm talking maybe 5 or 10 mph not much more. But! Impressed I was. Once we headed out off the lot and onto pavement I felt myself beginning to smile at myself that GM had produced such a fun and comfortable small pickup that offered me, this 62 yr old old Fart a set of wheels and an economy pickup for $16,350.
In my history, I once did what so many do to this day, work overtime till ya drop, beg the ol lady how and why I needs this and that upgrades to jeep and guns reloading all that hee-man shit of yesteryear, I get it. But? Needs change men. Such rough rocky trails I see this thing run on with seemingly everybody and their stripped-ass ape self blasts out here and fro needs this needs that, why didn't GM do this, why didn't they do that. Well?
Simple actually. Research the history of four-wheelers. In 1970 my dad had a Toyota FJ-40. Always seemed to break down, once it reached about 3500 feet elevation it'd began to cough and spew and cough... struggling to reach our final destination of 8400 feet. Heavy as hell, Mom Hated the thing because it reminded her of a military truck. Suspension was terrible whenever a pot hole was encountered. Armstrong Radials were the thing back then. Dad knew of NO upgrades back then. I recall getting buried in snow/mud for over 12 hrs one time. Stuck so bad not on but two Willy's Jeeps (war surplus) managed to get us out. Talk about utility, those Jeeps were akin to riding a lawn tractor in all stock form. No heater, no defroster, no windshield wiper, only an old rag and every so many feet a guy would stop, clear the windshield off. BTW? NO RAIN~X either!
So? Before a youngster replies with your a tard, no one cares, the one I like the most is ==SHUT-UP SHUT-UP--
I shall proclaim, GM has produced a great product offering the worlds finest interior comfort and ability no other in the world can (for its price range) match.
The GM employees should be proud of this small marvel of mechanical genius!
MMM...PBC. I miss that place. Oh cool truck and trail.
It's not challenging until you say to yourself; "S%$T the winch better be working". 😁
This is why you leave the Jeep's suspension mostly stock.
Alpine 3" lift: $2280.99
Falcon 3.3 adjustable shocks: $1329.04
Firestone destination MT2's: $861.28
Rugged Ridge wheels: $1511.96.
Grand Total: $7495.23
A better option is to just get yourself a pair of ox lockers at $859.00 each and go have fun. Still too expensive? Truetracs are about $425.00 each. Not quite as good as lockers but close, and way better than the electronic traction control making it lurch up the hill in this video.
Ken MacMillan Agreed. All the fancy lifts and shocks can't get you anywhere near the places lockers can get you. I have stock suspension, stock shocks, and worn out 31" ATs on my rig. However, I'm locked front and rear. The reaction from others when going over difficult terrain is priceless.
Lockers are always the best first mod.
Pretty cool little pickup! Still like dezel tho!!!
I'm watching this because I'm trying to decide if I'm going to buy a Colorado or a Jeep. I really like both.
Great video, enjoyed watching even though I don't owned any of these vehicles
Should've used an Unlimited to have a closer wheelbase comparison
This has a major flaw..
No skid plate for the fuel tank.
One sharp rock and its game over
Cant wait for a diesel wrangler as well.
ZR2 is totally legit. Lockers, spool-valves, tires and extra ground clearance make it legit. Tacoma needs front locker and better tires to join the club.
love this videooooo. thanks Chris.
On the Wrangler, what is that hose dangling under the shock at around the 8:22 mark ?? Tell me it is NOT the brake line!
Otherwise, this look's like a fun trail,.and a 'piece of cake' for the Chevrolet ZR2.
Sweet ZR2!
Uuhhh I'm confused adjust traction control when all wheels are locked and spinning at a 1:1 ratio with each other🤔 am I missing some thing here.
He could also just put the truck in 4 low and just go.... the rest just makes it better. So I have heard y'all say that's it's an upside for the jeep a couple times and it doesn't really make much sense.
Have to mostly be careful around rutt with moose. Same with deer
Do the multimatic shocks have the ability to be used in a lift, or does a brand new shock have to be used for say +4in of lift?
The DSSV is a position sensitive shock so no lift that alters the shock shaft position. You can add the RC921 front spacer to level the ZR2, it needs a new bump stop, Belltech 4924. Hall Racing got a hold of modified DSSV's for a ZR with a 4" lift. These may become avaliable some day.
Body lifts are ok. A 1" body lift will allow the use of 33" tires for more ground clearance without changing suspension geometry. Any other lift is not an option unless specifically designed around the DSSV shocks.
A combination of the RC921 and a 1" body lift with some minor wheel well trimming you may shoehorn 35's in a ZR2. Not sure the 3.42's would be enough gear.
Keep an eye on BDS. They have a lift in the works to keep the shocks.
So cool you had a viewer on the show, even if he does drive a chevy..
At 8:00 Roman actually put the Falcon shocks on setting 3 which is the firmest ride possible, not the softest.
RobDTom
Thats why he struggled 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That dang drone sounds like a demented nuclear skeeter.
Wait so the truck is basically 50k so why not get a raptor. and before anyone says anything pioneer ford here in Az has the raptor listed at 56k I like the zr2 and I'm a gm guy but damn both are good for the money
RAM TRUCKS I've never driven it but they sell
Raptors don't come with front lockers or a diesel or that suspension and they're wider so they're likely to get damaged on trails. Plus they're Fords.
ZR2's start at 42k, Raptors start in the mid 50k range. The Raptor is a desert truck with no harass V8 available. The ZR2 has position sensitive spool valve shocks, is significantly more compact, has a diesel option, and can actually fit on most trails. The Raptor is too big.
Dale Couture you just stated all the obvious and most off roaders dont want or care about diesels for off road use I'm not a ford guy but raptor is proven and smashing all competition I think gm should have used the single cap Silverado in someway to fight the raptor
brandon wright Raptor has no competition. There isn't one other half ton truck trying to do the off-road thing. Easy to dominate a market that doesn't exist. The Colorado wasn't built to compete against the Raptor. It's in an entirely different class.
Good video guys! Keep up the good work
I like the ZR2 chevy but wish it was a little higher. It's only 2 inches higher than the stock z71
Mercedes g wagon also has the locking front and rear dif
Got a '15 Rubi Unlimited. I've been wondering what the suspension mod does not just offroad but on road. It'll literally throw off cruise control on the freeway over Calfornia's horrible bay area highways.