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At this point, I'm sure the game has to hit a specific low before they can axe the game and the devs just want to push out the last few so they can just let it die.
That would be really shady. Here I was guessing they were trying to pad out their threadbare game with more grind because players were maxing out and dropping the game too fast.
Erm. False advertisement is actually a legal offence, iirc? They did say, if you remember-that there's gonna be no p2w mechanics? Well I definitely Do remember that. ^_^
I just don’t understand why they think doing the opposite of what the community says is wise... followed by doubling down on it after backlash 🤦♂️ Then they wonder why their player base has plummeted
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"The stockholders were confused and overwhelmed at how easy it was to level and the effect of that on their ability to turn the game into freemium pay to win in the future."
Stockholders and CEO, "Why people no like the superpeople game?! You told us that Sergeant USA and Alumina Boy were popular?! Well when we want more momeny in market we drive up demand by making things harder to get...do that with this game. Make something harder to get and make the Black Countess have little to no clothes. Game people love that". ;)
“Confusing and overwhelming to new players” What new players? Seems like they should be doing everything they can to keep the 14 players they still have.
@@shinkamui The time for doing things for new players can be a little after launch, like Dice making Battlefront 2 an actual decent game with acceptable progression after the huge backlash. But a game that’s already been forgotten about by everyone outside of the handful of people who still play it, many months after launch? Yea, there ARE no new players at this point, literally all they have is the shrinking existing playerbase. The only hope for getting new players at this point in the game’s life would be to improve the game so much that the current players hype the improved game up and pull more new players in by word of mouth. Which is the total opposite of what they’ve done here, they’ve just accelerated its demise by alienating the only players they have left.
@@TeenageMutantZuckerTurtle yeah there’s no shortcut. They have to get to work on actual content and stop meddling with things that pushes players away. Final fantasy xiv also released a huge patch with qol for new players, and that makes a lot of sense now that theres a lot of hype and people flooding in. But avengers here want to build the roof while the walls are just crumbling down
“People with too much money can be confused by the choices they have. Our changes is to address that issue by siphoning away money from your bank accounts and paychecks. We’re sorry we weren’t originally clear with our cash grab.”
It's amazing how much of this situation carries over into real life. "You don't know what to do with all of that wealth. Here, let us take it off your hands via a dozen tax regulations, and we'll hold onto it for you. In fact, let's flatten the average man's real wage increases over several decades while inflation increases. That should help you get that sense of pride and accomplishment much later on in life when thinking about buying a home, compared to earlier players who were simply overwhelmed with progressing too quickly with too much. Where's the fun in not being challenged with debt?"
@SNEEDman [Formerly Chuck’s] not only you buddy. We all. Everyone. Now we understand and can relate to Squidward more than anything. Especially with annoying neighbor that always trespassing into your house.
I feel like this problem exists for a minority of players. But with so few people feeling this way I can see why this isn’t much of a problem to others. Lol
Backlash happens and devs are like: Hulk was too popular in our opinion, so we removed him so our players can enjoy other heroes more. The level one reset was just so everyone can process the removal of Hulk and get used to the game without him.
If that is the reason, it’s an asinine one. It’s not like boosters would sell well. With their current player counts that wouldn’t even get over a thousand sales. And the xp change drives away new players with “oh sorry you didnt play before we nerfed xp. here buy some boosters to fix the problem we intentionally created”. So very little if any sales there.
In most games that have bad endgame content, that would normally be a good thing, since the trip to get there would be more fun depending on how good the gameplay is. The problem with Avengers is that the trip itself is already fucking boring.
“Your ability to crush enemies certainly does speed up at higher levels” Oh the horror can’t have players making a power fantasy out of playing the freakin hulk
The HUlk is easily one of the weakest and most vulnerable characters in the game. He gets staggered, damaged and interupted by EVERYTHING while most enemies have non interruptible attacks, invincibility, etc. They took everything that should have gone to the Hulk and gave it to the mobs. Ms. Marvel has more durability than the freaking Hulk.
"We want each decision to invest in a skill or Heroic to be more meaningful." Why does it reads more like something I already heard from the past but from EA? "To provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes"
@@jonahcolombo4131 It was that game that everyone unanimously groaned at when the announcement revealed it was actually a card game. Or was that the other one?
It's funny and slightly endearing at this point how the devs really try to justify this change. Do they really believe people don't see through the PR bullshit? We're in 2021, well past beyond the "lootbox crisis". Gamers are more aware than ever of the AAA industry scam tactics. Speeding up the early stages of playthrough and slowing down the latter ones leads to the classical pacing strategy of mobile "free-to-pay" games. First the hookup that gets you hyped, the "honeymoon"stage. And when you're finally "engaged" the reality kicks in and you find yourself inmersed in the grind, willing to pay for shit that speeds it up like XP boosts, top-tier characters, gacha fuel or straight pay-to-win microtransactions. At least the game should go truly "free-to-pay" if they are implementing this shitty update.
There isn't XP boosters, the only paid content is shitty overpriced cosmetics. I wouldn't be shocked if they added them but right now there's no boosters.
The corporate suits are chasing those hundreds of millions they see successful service games like Fortnite and Apex Legends churning out. They think it's worth it to waste tens of millions in attempt to make it.
So they are basically saying that they aren’t responsible for releasing not enough content but players are because they are playing their game too fast.
Crystal Dynamics is trying to kill this game so they can get out of this “Games as a Service” bullshit. Just look at every decision they have made with this game. Their first post character release was 1 day before Cyberpunk released.
Nobody gets a sense of accomplishment because of the amount of time something takes you to do. Overcoming struggle is what gives you a sense of accomplishmen. Just getting through a game simply because it takes too long? That should not be the struggle.
I'm really digging this bold assumption that they have "new players" to even cater to. That's the sort of confidence in yourself that turns people's heads.
Not to mention this wouldn't even sound attractive to new players. "Hey, start playing our game. We just made it so you have less toys to play with right away and put more mind numming repetition in there because we think you're a bumbling moron who cannot read what 2 new skills do every so often. Ain't this really attractive?"
@@ghost245353 Sounds like the most plausable explanation. Dev's want to kill this shitheap off quickly so they can start working on a more fun project. They most likely can't simply quit due to contractual obligations, so they're forced to kill it off.
"We think levelling up is confusing for newer players, so we're going to increase XP needed to level up AFTER level 25" This is about as stupid as EA's "rewarding the grind" bullshit.
Single skillpoints feeling meaningful is actually a valid approach... when you have a well structured single player game that isn't supposed to be grindy.
"Am I a joke to you?" - Some person somewhere at some time that has always LOVED unlocking all the skills they want faster than slower. "Oh no! Not at all! Just a walking piggy bank. Don't waste time breaking now~!" - corporate
Yes getting skill points and leveling up at a normal pace is just SO confusing. It leaves me wondering, "Hey how did I get these skill points? Am I playing a game right now? What is life? Did I leave the stove on? I am so confused right now."
When I see these types of "controversies" I feel that it's the Publishers testing the waters, so they can gauge how far they can press their luck for future projects, by using failed games as the test subjects.
Good point! Devs could never experiment like this on a successful game. They must run their tests on failing games. Would be too risky to try these tricks on a popular game making lots of money.
@@thebenc1537 Indeed, but I'm accusing the Publishers, because I hope that the Devs are in-touch with the consumer base and know that shit like this doesn't fly well to the majority. It still baffles me how people can defend anti-consumer and/or egregious monetization practices.
I think those 28% upvotes are just fanboys of Marvel franchise in general. They're so thirsty for a new update/content that they're willing to take anything even if it makes the game more grindy asf. That is just sad.
@@JPogi690 I figured that's what it was when I saw that upvote rate. People keep comparing stuff like that to an abusive relationship. If they enjoy the game, it's one thing but they have to admit when something isn't good.
Well it confuses me wondering about where I'm going to put the skill points into my skills but that's about it I usually choose the skills I think I actually need and then I go about my day in the game like nothing happened it usually takes about a minute
It might be rough, but there are a million different guides out there for new players. The community has really been one of the shining beacons of PoE.
Reminds me of the time the ANTHEM dev team accidentally buffed the loot drop chance Then everyone still playing thanked them... only for them to call it a mistake and nerf it even harder 🤣
Devs need to stop seeing every accidental thing as an issue. Hell, some of the most fun game mechanics in history have been accidental glitches that their respective communities learned to love. Fuck, the entire GTA franchise came from a bug found in their original concept of the first game.
“Boss, we have almost NO gamers playing this game! What can we do to bring people back and gain new players?” “I know. Make the game even worse. That’ll bring people back!”
The best prt is this guy literally copypasted the same thing they said before. “ You see, it’s not x, it’s x. Why you don’t understand me?” Can’t wait for the insults to the playerbase to arrive. Remember kids, this is what you paid for. You keep buying, they keep treating you like this.
The game is dead. Live service garbage can't survive with a few hundred players. But killing it now would only make Square Enix look bad and/or potentially lose the license. They have no choice but to venture on and support it. You don't want Disney on your ass.
But Anthem was "alive" for almost 2 years before they finally canned it. Avengers game will go on longer but these recent decisions will probably axe it sooner.
How much of this is on the publisher, Square Enix? Crystal Dynamics may very well be the people to blame for this, but it also could have been borne out of a request from the publisher to have players spend more time with the game. SE is still looking to recoup costs the last I checked.
Can you cover the insane microtransactions in Roblox games? They are literally getting kids hooked on gambling at young age, and are much worse than EA.
This definitely needs to be addressed . Roblox is also full of copyrighted content, and Roblox is literally making money of them. There are Among US, Fortnite, Minecraft, Pokemon, Anime, CSGO, etc ripoff games.
I can totally get behind toning down the Roblox MTXs, but, iirc, most of the Roblox stuff is user created content, yeah? The most responsibility Roblox would have is probably responding to requests by Copyrights holders to have stuff taken down. We already get mad enough at Nintendo for being too strict with their copyright use. I doubt we want to go down the rabbit hole of policing Roblox content.
@tannerlee333 You’d think today’s parents would be more aware of the horrors of the Internet. My parents were far from perfect, but at their best they only let me play offline games-usually CD-ROM games from before I was born, like Sonic CD or Arthur’s Reading Race (you can guess which of the two I liked more, although Arthur had its weird charm) or let me play on the Nickelodeon website, but while dealing with some of the most intense helicopter-parenting of my life and only games that were completely free-and no Ren and Stimpy or the kinky Dancing Sumos game made to promote Rugrats in Paris.
@tannerlee333 Problem is parent's don't know any better. They give in to their kids crying when they see that their friends have certain items. Yong ripped EA for lootboxes and since the most popular games all have sort of lootbox mechanics implemented, I think Yong should call them out.
@@gilolaes4725 It's user created content that they directly profit off of. Roblox is making money through copyrighted content, it's not someone else's responsibility to police them, they should have their own team for that.
It's baffling at this day and age, they can just get other rpg-looter-beat em up ideas/concept and improve on them. Everything in that game is kinda the opposite of what's supposed to be a good live service looter game. It's like they've been living under the rock (similar to what Massive did with Division 2 after the fixes/improvement they made in Division 1)
I remember when we had Marvel Heroes Omega, that was a great Marvel game with almost all the heroes possible in it, free to play tons of fun and then they removed it from us.
It was made by former Diablo 2 devs. Unfortunately the license agreement was with Marvel before Disney and Disney chose to cut Gazillion off killing the game.
It wasn't exactly great at launch. I ended up playing it from around 2015 and just in the time I ended up playing it (from 2015 over 2016 and to Omega) there was a lot of stuff added and especially the monetization system was massively overhauled to make it more fair. Because it certainly wasn't from the beginning. I think I ended up spending something like $20 on it altogether and I got around half of the heroes in the game, by far most of them I got for free through gameplay. What I'm trying to say is that of the live services that have ended up good only really few were actually good from the start. From what I've heard WOW, Apex Legends and the two Guild Wars games are the main examples. The rest basically grew into it. I'm not saying that it's going to happen for Marvel's Avengers. It's probably not basically because they don't seem to have any grasp of what is actually wrong with the game. David Brevik certainly had an idea of the initial flaws of Marvel Heroes. It certainly is an uphill battle and I find it a lot more likely that it will go the way of Anthem than it doing a No Man's Sky...
@@TG-ge1oh I didn't. Warframe very much started out with all the trappings of a live service including full on pay to win in the form of orokin reactors and catalysts only being purchasable by platinum. I am aware that a lot of people are mourning the current state of it. But it has been a lot worse. I'd say DE have always tried to do F2P right. But it took them quite some time to actually do it right.
@@MarkLangdahl You've got a point there. They did face a lot of pitfalls and hurdles before eventually getting the model right, and now I hear the model's gone messed up again.
At this point in time the third game of the Marvel’s Spider-Man series has yet to be announced, or even teased, but i’d rather wait for that game to play as Spider-Man than Marvel’s Avengers
@@jaybeam1466 fixed it 😅 Actually im on PS, but i would rather wait for the xbox release of Marvel’s Spider-Man (I know the odds of it happening are near impossible, thats the joke)
I kinda like how everyone and I mean everyone is telling the developers what the problem is with the game. CONTENT. CONTENT. But to the developers believe XP
I don’t understand this. I played it for some time and enjoyed it for the good that it had, but slowly it kept taking enjoyment away from me. So I became a cliche like everyone else and sold it but after this, it’s like, I sadly made the right move.
Personally I think they made more grindy is because gamers burn though the content to fast. So they thought slow down XP so they don't burn though what little content there is.
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The best time to backpedal this XP rework was immediately after announcing it, the second best time is now.
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Devs are doing great in this “How to lose the little fans you have left” speedrun
They might even beat anthem for the world record 😂
There definitely going head to head on this
I gave them a pity upvote on reddit, hopefully YongYea will report on it later :^^)
At this point, I'm sure the game has to hit a specific low before they can axe the game and the devs just want to push out the last few so they can just let it die.
@@Superbattheman1 but this game doesn’t have anything to like, unlike Anthem did. Best dollar I ever spent.
Lol, when there’s actually more Avengers than actual players.
👆😂😂😂
Lol
Ayye yo lmfaooo, take my upvote you filthy goblin.
Take the 've' out of Avengers and you get the end result.
"Angers"
@@Murtaugh395 👍😂
“Hey we heard you’re still somehow having fun playing our game so we fixed that. You’re welcome.”
Thank God, I was worried I might enjoy it for a second there.
Could you add more pay walls for the true ending of the game, and game ending content that would be great, also loot boxes for everyone
Overexaggerating clowns.
Found the fanboy.
I almost wanted to get this game so thank you for turning me away with this great update
When Strange said that he looked at 14mil possibilities, this is one of them that won't work out. Lol
This is actually one of them that's too horrifying even he doesn't want to talk about it.
@@ReigoVassal (you can tell because he isnt in it lol)
@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero Dang, you went there! That's cold, well played.
Just you wait, they'll start selling xp boosters to "fix" the issue they created.
That would be really shady. Here I was guessing they were trying to pad out their threadbare game with more grind because players were maxing out and dropping the game too fast.
🆙 this is a legit prediction.
Well....yeah.
"Develop a problem, sell the solution"
Tried & true tactic for AAA releases.
Erm. False advertisement is actually a legal offence, iirc? They did say, if you remember-that there's gonna be no p2w mechanics? Well I definitely Do remember that. ^_^
This will piss off all 6 people that play Marvel's Avengers.
5! I'm done with this shit now
The only reason why they are still playing it is because they don't want to waste their Virgin Media, Five Gum, and Verizon, skins.
Last video was 3 now its 6? Please decide on a number!
@@chaserseven2886 wtf?
@@maxilin3729 4. I deleted it after the announcement.
"How do we make the game better, have more grinding." Facepalm
yeah really like how many failures does it take to make these companies listen.
I just don’t understand why they think doing the opposite of what the community says is wise... followed by doubling down on it after backlash 🤦♂️ Then they wonder why their player base has plummeted
Not that grinding bad but this ain't a bloody RPG
Totally unreleated but Thats a great profile pic
They can save this by just adding time savers
Avengers: "Damn, nothing. Maybe if I shoot the other foot I'll get money!"
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There's your mistake you still have legs, maybe shoot those?
"The stockholders were confused and overwhelmed at how easy it was to level and the effect of that on their ability to turn the game into freemium pay to win in the future."
Stockholders and CEO, "Why people no like the superpeople game?! You told us that Sergeant USA and Alumina Boy were popular?! Well when we want more momeny in market we drive up demand by making things harder to get...do that with this game. Make something harder to get and make the Black Countess have little to no clothes. Game people love that". ;)
I think you're right on the nose with this. pretty sure it's the first step for microtransactions later on
"This may be confusing and overwhelming to new players."
What new players?
Yeah I found that comment hilarious XD
“Confusing and overwhelming to new players”
What new players? Seems like they should be doing everything they can to keep the 14 players they still have.
You really have to have less then 100 braincells to find this "game" overwhelming or confusing.
Thas right Boi
hard agree. Solving the game pacing its something you have to do before it launches. The time for doing things to new players is not now.
@@shinkamui The time for doing things for new players can be a little after launch, like Dice making Battlefront 2 an actual decent game with acceptable progression after the huge backlash.
But a game that’s already been forgotten about by everyone outside of the handful of people who still play it, many months after launch? Yea, there ARE no new players at this point, literally all they have is the shrinking existing playerbase. The only hope for getting new players at this point in the game’s life would be to improve the game so much that the current players hype the improved game up and pull more new players in by word of mouth. Which is the total opposite of what they’ve done here, they’ve just accelerated its demise by alienating the only players they have left.
@@TeenageMutantZuckerTurtle yeah there’s no shortcut. They have to get to work on actual content and stop meddling with things that pushes players away. Final fantasy xiv also released a huge patch with qol for new players, and that makes a lot of sense now that theres a lot of hype and people flooding in. But avengers here want to build the roof while the walls are just crumbling down
“People with too much money can be confused by the choices they have. Our changes is to address that issue by siphoning away money from your bank accounts and paychecks. We’re sorry we weren’t originally clear with our cash grab.”
They want to sell xp boosters, get it.
It's amazing how much of this situation carries over into real life. "You don't know what to do with all of that wealth. Here, let us take it off your hands via a dozen tax regulations, and we'll hold onto it for you. In fact, let's flatten the average man's real wage increases over several decades while inflation increases. That should help you get that sense of pride and accomplishment much later on in life when thinking about buying a home, compared to earlier players who were simply overwhelmed with progressing too quickly with too much. Where's the fun in not being challenged with debt?"
@SNEEDman [Formerly Chuck’s] not only you buddy.
We all. Everyone. Now we understand and can relate to Squidward more than anything.
Especially with annoying neighbor that always trespassing into your house.
"I can't hold all of these skill points, I'm overwhelmed!"
- Nobody
I tend to horde skill points in all games where skill points are available. So it makes it easier to decide later what to dump them in.
I feel like this problem exists for a minority of players. But with so few people feeling this way I can see why this isn’t much of a problem to others. Lol
You need to replace "Nobody", with "game journalists". 😉
@@Dracounguis just trying to be more perceptive with there decision. I never said what I stated was correct. 🙃
@Gold Star Gaming To be fair if you're still playing this trash I'd be questioning your intelligence
Next update:
"We hear you. We're removing the hulk. We're also resetting everyone to level one."
Would be fun to see a liveservice act totally eratic like that, because it's totally legal to it and fuck with players
Hulk suck
Backlash happens and devs are like: Hulk was too popular in our opinion, so we removed him so our players can enjoy other heroes more.
The level one reset was just so everyone can process the removal of Hulk and get used to the game without him.
They’re kinda calling the average gamer stupid lowkey
Nah this is “Game Journalist Difficulty” thinking. They forget that gamers are often much better at games than Kotaku writers
@@dorn0531 tru shit
Ha. Stupid Loki
Whoever bought this game is pretty stupid though
@@R3TR0J4N defending something when they know it’s shit and they know they could get something better is a mental illness
"lets make it grindier to make it more fun"
few months later:
" oh look we are selling xp boosts to increase leveling speed!"
of course they are creating the problem to sell you the solution down the road XD
"time savers"
""""Optional"""" xp boosts
few months? do you really expect game to not be Anthem'd for that long?
@@Kacza42 well just like the devs, I too think the players are stupid enough to play it that long
I'm calling it, they're doing this to sell booster packs down the line.
Well, you need players to sell booster packs.
"Punishing loyal playerbase because $$$,
Surely they wont leave us when we choke them slowly"
-Higher up, probaly
If that is the reason, it’s an asinine one. It’s not like boosters would sell well. With their current player counts that wouldn’t even get over a thousand sales.
And the xp change drives away new players with “oh sorry you didnt play before we nerfed xp. here buy some boosters to fix the problem we intentionally created”. So very little if any sales there.
All these problems on a live game
If they make it that far...
Judge: Did you have to shoot the victim?
Defendant: Well I didn't want to overwhelm him with stabbing.
Fair enough... Have a nice day!
That's thoughtful AND horrible.
@@matohibiki As Robin Williams Genie once said to himself...
Genie1: I'm Thor!
Genie2: You're Thor?
Genie1: Well it hurts...
Players: "This game has no endgame content"
Developers: "Let's slow down progression since there is no endgame content"
Literally
In most games that have bad endgame content, that would normally be a good thing, since the trip to get there would be more fun depending on how good the gameplay is. The problem with Avengers is that the trip itself is already fucking boring.
As Xzibit would say: “Yo dawg, let’s put some grind in your grind, so you can grind while you grind!”
This is an absolutely prehistoric meme
@@IAmDaDumb1 and its amazing
It's supposed to go like, "yo dawg. We heard you like grinding, so we added some grind in your grind so you can grind while you grind".
"yo I'm getting moves too fast"
-no one E V E R
“Your ability to crush enemies certainly does speed up at higher levels” Oh the horror can’t have players making a power fantasy out of playing the freakin hulk
The HUlk is easily one of the weakest and most vulnerable characters in the game. He gets staggered, damaged and interupted by EVERYTHING while most enemies have non interruptible attacks, invincibility, etc. They took everything that should have gone to the Hulk and gave it to the mobs. Ms. Marvel has more durability than the freaking Hulk.
@@GeorgeMonet that sounds pretty awful the games terrible reception was enough to prevent me from getting it for sure not that I ever planned to
@@GeorgeMonet Hey, remember HULK: Ultimate Destruction?
That version of the Hulk in game is superior than this lukewarm title.
Sounds A Lot Like Destiny.
@@battlion507 what u think of mcu hulk? Were u as disapointed as me?
"confusing to newer players"
yeah, newer players that you dont have lmao
This type of move seems nore like they're specifically trying to avoid new players
They are gonna go free to play any time...
@@zeraora2607 before or after the game dies?
@@TheStargov Too late for the before part.
I came here to say exactly that.
WHAT new players? Nobody wants to play this!
"We want each decision to invest in a skill or Heroic to be more meaningful."
Why does it reads more like something I already heard from the past but from EA?
"To provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes"
Anthem, Avengers and Artifact: AAA games as a service in a nutshell.
What’s anthem?.....
@@jonahcolombo4131 It was that game that everyone unanimously groaned at when the announcement revealed it was actually a card game. Or was that the other one?
@@2020-p2z 🤷🏻♂️
@@jonahcolombo4131 anthem was biowares last nail in the coffin lmao
@@2020-p2z Artifact is the card one
Isn't it obvious? They want to sell you XP Boosters, and they can't do that if you level up at a decent pace.
Well decent leveling speed wasn't a problem before either was it?
@@Xonarag Exactly. It wasn't broken, so they broke it for you and expect you to pay them to fix it.
@@zombehnashun this guy gets it
It's funny and slightly endearing at this point how the devs really try to justify this change. Do they really believe people don't see through the PR bullshit? We're in 2021, well past beyond the "lootbox crisis". Gamers are more aware than ever of the AAA industry scam tactics.
Speeding up the early stages of playthrough and slowing down the latter ones leads to the classical pacing strategy of mobile "free-to-pay" games. First the hookup that gets you hyped, the "honeymoon"stage. And when you're finally "engaged" the reality kicks in and you find yourself inmersed in the grind, willing to pay for shit that speeds it up like XP boosts, top-tier characters, gacha fuel or straight pay-to-win microtransactions.
At least the game should go truly "free-to-pay" if they are implementing this shitty update.
There isn't XP boosters, the only paid content is shitty overpriced cosmetics. I wouldn't be shocked if they added them but right now there's no boosters.
“Welcome to the end of Marvel’s Avengers” is what Maestro should have said.
Or should he say "Avengers: Endgame"
It truly is strange that these companies WANT to lose millions of dollars.
They do not understand their product just profits. Thats execs 4 you
@@captaintoyota3171 I don't understand how this move is going to make the game more profitable. I foresee more players just leaving the game.
The corporate suits are chasing those hundreds of millions they see successful service games like Fortnite and Apex Legends churning out. They think it's worth it to waste tens of millions in attempt to make it.
@@BoyBlunder66 that’s a really good point
@Raven Brown You forget that Disney is the epitome of "these companies".
So they are basically saying that they aren’t responsible for releasing not enough content but players are because they are playing their game too fast.
"So what's the problem?" Quote sounds like "Do you guys not have phones?"
'Overwhelming for new players' - What new players? You keep giving more reasons for people not to pick up the game there won't be any new players!
Game dev: "you're just too stupid to understand the genius of our dying game"
thats what im thinking, like forcing us to sit down, and talking to us like children telling us whats good for us.
Enjoy you genius game that's bleeding playerbase
Crystal Dynamics is trying to kill this game so they can get out of this “Games as a Service” bullshit.
Just look at every decision they have made with this game. Their first post character release was 1 day before Cyberpunk released.
maybe they really are trying to kill it
That's a nice theory
Maybe they saw that Bioware is allowed to make a single player game after the Anthem disaster and thought "I want a little bit of that!"
I dont play this game. What's games as a service?
@John Eric so games as a service are games that are basically just microtransactions with nothing worth playing?
"too many skillpoints to review!"
Grim Dawn:
*too many what now*
"This change is to make progression less overwhelming for new players."
What new players?
I wouldn't be surprised if the devs just really wanted to kill this pathetic cash-grab and move on to their own projects .
This is most likely their goal, to find an excuse to shut this down
I could imagine Bioware devs doing the same for Anthem by doing the bare minimum work to not get fired
Pride and Accomplishment 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Nobody gets a sense of accomplishment because of the amount of time something takes you to do. Overcoming struggle is what gives you a sense of accomplishmen. Just getting through a game simply because it takes too long? That should not be the struggle.
Imagine Dark Souls doing this. You walk for 7 days in real time before encountering the first hostile entity.
"If we don't manufacture a problem, how can we sell you a solution?!? Don't you guys have wallets?"
"It just works!"
lmfao
Lol was that a certain mobile phone reference?
Ubisofts motto
Deal with it. From a business perspective, this is the best choice. Sorry but remember, companies aren't your friends.
Hall & Oates's song really fits this situation. "You're out of touch
I'm out of time"
the problem is that people aren't BUYING leveling up from the perspective of the devs
I'm really digging this bold assumption that they have "new players" to even cater to. That's the sort of confidence in yourself that turns people's heads.
Ikr, what are doing rn is punishing their loyal playerbase (the community)
Not to mention this wouldn't even sound attractive to new players. "Hey, start playing our game. We just made it so you have less toys to play with right away and put more mind numming repetition in there because we think you're a bumbling moron who cannot read what 2 new skills do every so often. Ain't this really attractive?"
It's definitely turning the game's head... all the way around, complete with a sickening crack.
Bwaha - i like your style OP
after all this I wouldn't play it if it was free. Grinding for nothing isnt a hobby of mine.
They have to be doing this shit on purpose at this point.
true,
but what is the motive?
I studied business and I am breaking my head trying to figure out the profit from all of this..
@@stoffelthedestroyer3741 The developers probably want to quit but can't
It looks like Capcom: they give but dont give what the fanbase want lol
Could be they legit are trying, it's just not working
@@ghost245353 Sounds like the most plausable explanation.
Dev's want to kill this shitheap off quickly so they can start working on a more fun project.
They most likely can't simply quit due to contractual obligations, so they're forced to kill it off.
"If you run a marathon with these glass shards dipped socks on you feel even better when you finish!"
mark my words, they will release leveling boosters in the cash shop
"We think levelling up is confusing for newer players, so we're going to increase XP needed to level up AFTER level 25"
This is about as stupid as EA's "rewarding the grind" bullshit.
Single skillpoints feeling meaningful is actually a valid approach... when you have a well structured single player game that isn't supposed to be grindy.
"Lets give less awards so you feel more rewarded"
"Am I a joke to you?" - Some person somewhere at some time that has always LOVED unlocking all the skills they want faster than slower.
"Oh no! Not at all! Just a walking piggy bank. Don't waste time breaking now~!" - corporate
OSRS players: "Well they're not wrong..."
They going to slow down the progression then they going to add micro transactions to level up faster
@@WR-nx9hb no, they're putting the final nail in their own coffin lol😂
You’re better off just going and playing any of the Marvel Ultimate Alliance games.
Still got 2 on the PS3
Honestly though
@SmashStomp Inc But the first game has mods to make it look and run better.
I've heard that the new one is actually fairly average and even THAT looks way more fun than Avengers.
They are just *willingly and fully knowingly purposely shooting themselves in the foot* - it's absolutely amazing
The real breaking news: Marvel Avengers has players.
I mean there are fans of Marvel and the heroes that exist outside the MCU so no reason to think no one plays it
@@Troupe_Master what?
@@alexknight81 im sorry your illiterate I cant do anything to help you
@@Troupe_Master i mean all 10bplayers that are left will move over to dc at this rate
@@Troupe_Master wow thanks for being an asshole mate, cheers
'' I'm so overwhelmed by the number of skills my character has and i want this to stop'' Said no gamer ever
Leveling becomes slow, 2 months later: Level up microtransaction boosts appear.
Yep
yeah, wouldn't be surprised if this becomes F2P to boost its playerbase and they're just preparing for the freemium model.
I feel bad for the last 5 angry players left. I cant Imagine their pain...
"How to kill a game, even more, speedrun any% flawless."
slowing down levelling says 3 words to me, free. to. play.
Oh no.
Oh god!
I was thinking the same thing
It says different words to me, Selling Experience Boosters.
This shit will likely be free to play by 2022
"Why are we losing players?, ah it must be because players are levelling too fast and it's confusing their small brains"
Worst part is that their insulting their players as unintelligent or down right moronic without saying it directly.
they say "we keep hearing", and that is the truth
they just omit the "from our focus group of 8 year olds" part
Yes getting skill points and leveling up at a normal pace is just SO confusing. It leaves me wondering, "Hey how did I get these skill points? Am I playing a game right now? What is life? Did I leave the stove on? I am so confused right now."
They manage to kill The Avengers faster than any villain can
When I see these types of "controversies" I feel that it's the Publishers testing the waters, so they can gauge how far they can press their luck for future projects, by using failed games as the test subjects.
Good point! Devs could never experiment like this on a successful game. They must run their tests on failing games. Would be too risky to try these tricks on a popular game making lots of money.
@@thebenc1537 Indeed, but I'm accusing the Publishers, because I hope that the Devs are in-touch with the consumer base and know that shit like this doesn't fly well to the majority. It still baffles me how people can defend anti-consumer and/or egregious monetization practices.
@@Carnax6969 I blame everyone invovled in a bad war from the generals to the footsoldiers.
28% upvote, are you telling me that there are people who actually agree with the notion of more grind? Some people are beyond stupid i swear...
I think those 28% upvotes are just fanboys of Marvel franchise in general. They're so thirsty for a new update/content that they're willing to take anything even if it makes the game more grindy asf. That is just sad.
@@JPogi690 I figured that's what it was when I saw that upvote rate. People keep comparing stuff like that to an abusive relationship. If they enjoy the game, it's one thing but they have to admit when something isn't good.
Fanboyism for Marvel mixed with a healthy dose of sunken cost fallacy.
It's Reddit, anything gaming related there turns into a cesspool of toxicity because gamers come in 2 types; those who play and those who whinge.
Dude, some people will like every single thing they see whether they actually like it or not. Especially kids, they’re brainwashed to press like.
There’s being tone deaf, and then there’s just straight up refusing to see logic.
Wait until they announce the XP Boost packs... Making the problem to sell the solutions... They never learn..
I just love how this licensed cash grab is going down.
skillpoints confusing players lol
Path of Exile: "That's a problem ?!"
Well it confuses me wondering about where I'm going to put the skill points into my skills but that's about it I usually choose the skills I think I actually need and then I go about my day in the game like nothing happened it usually takes about a minute
As someone with thousands of hours in PoE, I cant imagine how rough that game is for new players.
It might be rough, but there are a million different guides out there for new players. The community has really been one of the shining beacons of PoE.
I remember first getting PoE and only focusing on DPS in the skill tree. Didn't end well lol
@@propheticrain-maker1486 I sure hope you weren't playing on hardcore!
Fans: "Fix the game now, final warning."
Developers: "I can do this all day." *adds more grind*
Instantly dies
Why did I hear the "I can do this all day" in the voice of NCT?
Also Devs: "Hyeuk, I'll fuckin do it again!"
Reminds me of the time the ANTHEM dev team accidentally buffed the loot drop chance
Then everyone still playing thanked them... only for them to call it a mistake and nerf it even harder 🤣
Game of the year.
Anthem 2.0 will be worth the wai..... oh nevermind
Absolutely hilarious, how stupid can a company be 😂😂
Devs need to stop seeing every accidental thing as an issue. Hell, some of the most fun game mechanics in history have been accidental glitches that their respective communities learned to love. Fuck, the entire GTA franchise came from a bug found in their original concept of the first game.
@@cacomeat7385 nuke ghandi
Seeing his shirt... The first thought that came in my head was, 'Is that his Mom on the shirt?'
Personally I felt the leveling was already too slow.
Players: "That's fucked up!"
Marvel: "You just don't understand how brilliant we truly are."
Players: *Abandon ship*
Marvel: *Surprised deadpool face*
Deadpool goes back in time and kills the idiot that thought this was. A good idea
This nonsense needs a 500 mile sized shocked deadpool.
“The game is confusing and overwhelming, we want choices to have meaning” has to take its place among “sense of pride and accomplishment.”
“Boss, we have almost NO gamers playing this game! What can we do to bring people back and gain new players?”
“I know. Make the game even worse. That’ll bring people back!”
“tHiS GaMe iS GoNnA DoMinAtE mY LiFE”
- Greg Miller
Next update: we’ve add a xp boost that cost money.
The best prt is this guy literally copypasted the same thing they said before. “ You see, it’s not x, it’s x. Why you don’t understand me?”
Can’t wait for the insults to the playerbase to arrive. Remember kids, this is what you paid for. You keep buying, they keep treating you like this.
Marvel's Avengers Dev: "Let me just pour some napalm on the fire......"
How is this game still alive?
Just take it out the back and put it out of its misery, even Anthem had the decency to do so
The game is dead. Live service garbage can't survive with a few hundred players. But killing it now would only make Square Enix look bad and/or potentially lose the license. They have no choice but to venture on and support it. You don't want Disney on your ass.
Took em forever to do so tho, so i think if this is killed off soon it'll be classified (to me atleast) as worse then anthem
EA wasn't so kind. They let Anthem's rotten corpse stink out the room for months before finally abandoning it in a ditch.
How long did it take for anthem to get put down? Couple years right? Expect marvel to die near the same length of time.
But Anthem was "alive" for almost 2 years before they finally canned it. Avengers game will go on longer but these recent decisions will probably axe it sooner.
Upcoming video: "Marvel Avengers Next Cancelled"
How much of this is on the publisher, Square Enix?
Crystal Dynamics may very well be the people to blame for this, but it also could have been borne out of a request from the publisher to have players spend more time with the game.
SE is still looking to recoup costs the last I checked.
Can’t wait to see this join Anthem and Artifact in the discontinued bin.
Can you cover the insane microtransactions in Roblox games? They are literally getting kids hooked on gambling at young age, and are much worse than EA.
This definitely needs to be addressed . Roblox is also full of copyrighted content, and Roblox is literally making money of them. There are Among US, Fortnite, Minecraft, Pokemon, Anime, CSGO, etc ripoff games.
I can totally get behind toning down the Roblox MTXs, but, iirc, most of the Roblox stuff is user created content, yeah? The most responsibility Roblox would have is probably responding to requests by Copyrights holders to have stuff taken down.
We already get mad enough at Nintendo for being too strict with their copyright use. I doubt we want to go down the rabbit hole of policing Roblox content.
@tannerlee333 You’d think today’s parents would be more aware of the horrors of the Internet.
My parents were far from perfect, but at their best they only let me play offline games-usually CD-ROM games from before I was born, like Sonic CD or Arthur’s Reading Race (you can guess which of the two I liked more, although Arthur had its weird charm) or let me play on the Nickelodeon website, but while dealing with some of the most intense helicopter-parenting of my life and only games that were completely free-and no Ren and Stimpy or the kinky Dancing Sumos game made to promote Rugrats in Paris.
@tannerlee333 Problem is parent's don't know any better. They give in to their kids crying when they see that their friends have certain items. Yong ripped EA for lootboxes and since the most popular games all have sort of lootbox mechanics implemented, I think Yong should call them out.
@@gilolaes4725 It's user created content that they directly profit off of. Roblox is making money through copyrighted content, it's not someone else's responsibility to police them, they should have their own team for that.
I’m calling it now
This game is not even gonna get half its character dlc out before its development shuts down
It's baffling at this day and age, they can just get other rpg-looter-beat em up ideas/concept and improve on them. Everything in that game is kinda the opposite of what's supposed to be a good live service looter game. It's like they've been living under the rock (similar to what Massive did with Division 2 after the fixes/improvement they made in Division 1)
@@deicidium1887 just give me a damn role playing party game of the avengers except this
@@3Guys1Video Marvels Ultimate Alliance franchise is the best one I know.
@@drax1s729 welp I’ll play that instead
Or I’ll just play Spiderman PS4 again
Avengers: makes grind slower
EA: what if we take their idea but make players pay to speed up grinding🤔🤔
Had a shot for each ding!
i'm not drnuk. i'm okay!
I remember when we had Marvel Heroes Omega, that was a great Marvel game with almost all the heroes possible in it, free to play tons of fun and then they removed it from us.
It was made by former Diablo 2 devs. Unfortunately the license agreement was with Marvel before Disney and Disney chose to cut Gazillion off killing the game.
It wasn't exactly great at launch. I ended up playing it from around 2015 and just in the time I ended up playing it (from 2015 over 2016 and to Omega) there was a lot of stuff added and especially the monetization system was massively overhauled to make it more fair. Because it certainly wasn't from the beginning. I think I ended up spending something like $20 on it altogether and I got around half of the heroes in the game, by far most of them I got for free through gameplay. What I'm trying to say is that of the live services that have ended up good only really few were actually good from the start. From what I've heard WOW, Apex Legends and the two Guild Wars games are the main examples. The rest basically grew into it. I'm not saying that it's going to happen for Marvel's Avengers. It's probably not basically because they don't seem to have any grasp of what is actually wrong with the game. David Brevik certainly had an idea of the initial flaws of Marvel Heroes. It certainly is an uphill battle and I find it a lot more likely that it will go the way of Anthem than it doing a No Man's Sky...
@@MarkLangdahl You forgot Warframe. But yeah, you're right.
@@TG-ge1oh I didn't. Warframe very much started out with all the trappings of a live service including full on pay to win in the form of orokin reactors and catalysts only being purchasable by platinum. I am aware that a lot of people are mourning the current state of it. But it has been a lot worse. I'd say DE have always tried to do F2P right. But it took them quite some time to actually do it right.
@@MarkLangdahl You've got a point there. They did face a lot of pitfalls and hurdles before eventually getting the model right, and now I hear the model's gone messed up again.
At this point in time the third game of the Marvel’s Spider-Man series has yet to be announced, or even teased, but i’d rather wait for that game to play as Spider-Man than Marvel’s Avengers
*than
And you're probably on Xbox.
@@jaybeam1466 fixed it 😅
Actually im on PS, but i would rather wait for the xbox release of Marvel’s Spider-Man (I know the odds of it happening are near impossible, thats the joke)
This feels like some kind of insurance scam. Like they're tanking the game on purpose to cash in on a bet or something.
Crystal Dynamics is confused...
It hurt itself in confusion!
I kinda like how everyone and I mean everyone is telling the developers what the problem is with the game. CONTENT. CONTENT. But to the developers believe XP
Maybe they have some sort of Uwe Boll type deal where they want to game to fail so that they make money back.
Gotta report a certain amount of losses for that lower tax bracket
There are still people playing that shit? Amazing...
sheep will be sheep...
I’m personally just disappointed from what I saw in the game more than anything. So much potential and those who made it just blew it ngl
only thing carrying it is the avengers name
@@Zcrub There is never potential in live service games. Not when every game mechanic can be directly tied to money.
@Spence calm down lol
Pissing off the last 6 people still playing it? That’s smart
I don’t understand this. I played it for some time and enjoyed it for the good that it had, but slowly it kept taking enjoyment away from me. So I became a cliche like everyone else and sold it but after this, it’s like, I sadly made the right move.
Personally I think they made more grindy is because gamers burn though the content to fast. So they thought slow down XP so they don't burn though what little content there is.
Last time I came this early my wife didn't talk to me for the rest of the night
Speedrun Category: From release to graveyard, any%
It’s clear to all the slow down is so the “content” lasts longer so they can put out less.
I am forever grateful that I never got pulled in the hype train for this game
Marvel's Avengers Dev's: *Make braindead choices*
Yong: "Here i go making video's again!"