What's My Line? - Carroll Baker; PANEL: Phyllis Newman, Tony Randall (Jun 26, 1966)
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- MYSTERY GUEST: Carroll Baker
PANEL: Phyllis Newman, Tony Randall, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
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Tony Randall has got to be one of my favourite ever panelists next to Arlene. He never disappoints.
Only times when he says things like: Your dress looks like an old fashioned bathing suit.
Yes. He is next to Arlene. So is Bennett.
Yes he's fantastic. And that guy Alan. Also the tall one who looks like Gregory peck, big black glasses
@@donnawoodford6641 He just said what he thought. In fact, her dress DOES look like an old fashioned bathing suit. From her reaction, it was probably meant to.
Mr. Tony Randall NEVER disappoints.
I think Arlene deserves the prize for most lines gotem out of thin air! Though she is amazed so often when she stumbles upon a line, it is a reflection of her superior game playing.
I cant believe she didn't know some. Yes she us intelligent in deducting but I've consistently seen her, not working out, but asking unrelated odd questions which relate but are many many steps from deduction
Carroll Baker, what a beautiful woman and very talented artist.
And a very kind sweet person and loving mother.
Adore Mary Quant! Major fan since I was 10. Being a designer myself, (industrial, interior, architectural, furniture, decorative arts, set, makeup, & shoe design, special events, just about every form of visual design except automotive!), she influenced my sense of design & style from the beginning. I loved everything she designed. She was and still is a design trail blazer. She inspired and changed the world of design.
What a pleasure to see one of the world’s great fashion influencers of her time. Mary Quant. Wow
Carroll's dress was stunning! 👏❤️
Carroll Baker is still living. She is 88 years old.
Currently 92 -- as of August 2023.
I'm as guilty as sin of binge watching and forgetting/ not commenting. I had to stop and comment on this one. Arlene Francis didn't realize that she'd hit it and was in shock!!! Great show!
Mary Quant was so charming.
At this point, Carroll's relationship with Joseph E. Levine (head of Embassy Pictures) had soured. As 1966 drew to a close, she decided to begin a new career, which catapulted her into becoming an American B-Movie queen of bloody Italian Giallo films (Mystery Films of Italy).
Carroll Baker. Stunning woman :-)
Omg when nobody knew Mary Quant by sight!
hard to imagine
Very brave of Tony Randall to save Carroll's kids during a hurricane.
Indeed, but did he have to brag about it? 16:38
Not sure that he bragged Seemed to downplay it and just sort of described it John seemed more impressed than Tony was as was Carroll
Mary Quant is STILL ALIVE and 90 years old as of 9/25/20!
Wiki says 86. Your move , Mr P
@@joeambrose3260 As of February 23, 2021, Mary Quant is 91 and Carroll Baker is 89.
@@joeambrose3260 Wiki says (born 11 February 1930).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Quant
Mary passed away 4/13/2023 at home, I saw this episode years ago and would have not even known who she was if not for the education I recieve from WML.
The first segment gives me the urge to watch "Blow-Up".
Anyone here seen it? A true product of Swinging Sixties Britain. David Hemmings, who plays a fashion photographer, thinks he's witnessed a murder, after developing pictures (which is what "blowing-up" is) he took.
Also stars Vanessa Redgrave, Sarah Miles, Veruschka von Lehndorff, and Jane Birkin in an early role.
Vahan Nisanian It was re-made in the U.S. with John Travolta in 1981 as "Blow Out" by director Brian de Palma. It was such dreck that it was the only movie I paid to see in my life that I walked out of after about 20 minutes.
You forgot to mention the director of the film Michelangelo Antonioni. One of his signature creations. Coincidentally before watching this I watched my new Criterion bluray copy of one of Antonioni's other famous films "L'Avventura."
Just love jane birkin!
The look on Arlene's face at 11:50 priceless!! LOL!!
The final challenger, Kathie Dibell, looked like she might have been an athlete. But I find no mention of it in any of the scant mentions of her online. Her career started in her home state of Indiana, but then she came east to the mid-Atlantic states (one AP article mentions Dover, Delaware), then NYC, then Baltimore. Starting in the late 1990's she was associated with the University Information Office at Bucknell University. then the trail goes cold.
It picks up again in 2004 with a story in Bucknell's magazine. Only now her byline is Kathie Dibell Briley. It would appear that she is still alive and has retired to South Carolina. There was someone in Oklahoma with the same married name who was younger and has passed away, but it isn't the same person as the final challenger on this episode of WML.
Lois, I always like your comments because you take the time to do the research. God bless you, best wishes.
@@bogieviews Thank you
The version of "Anna Christie" Carroll Baker starred in was directed by her-then husband Jack Garfein, and also starred Anthony Costello, Stuart Nisbet, Isabel Jewell, George Berkeley, Neil Fitzgerald, Aldo Venturi and Mel Haynes.
Marvelous as Harlow
Mary Quant's pedigree on the subject is quite sound. You can make a good case that the first contestant is the inventor of the 1960s mini skirt.
She started her Giallo career with "Her Harem", and continued to make these kinds of films for about a decade. The most famous of the Giallo films she made was the Umberto Lenzi trilogy, which consisted of "Orgasm", "So Sweet... So Perverse", and "Paranoia". She made the trilogy back-to-back in one whole year from 1968 to 1969.
A lucky man Bennett Cerf was. He got a kiss from Carroll Baker, just like two years ago!
*****
Bennett, but not Tony this time. I guess that despite Tony's heroics during the storm, he and Carroll didn't know each other all that well.
What a fun episode. Sadly as we near the end of the series it provokes a profound nostalgia since I grew up in the 60's. The fly, the sauna and the hooker. What fun.
druidbros I never ever stop revisiting the 60s. Pretty much every day in some way or other....music, film, comedy, books or in conversation or it gets mentioned in something I watch. It will NEVER be exhausted.
I'm in my mother's womb during this episode!
I am only replying to you because I noticed WuShock in your picture.
Arlene. She always makes a statement to herself, and waits for audience reaction before she asks as question. Crafty
Damn audience
I dig Arlene like many others but if you don't think she's got gamesmanship down.........
I loved Carroll Baker Growing Up! She had babysat my mother Judy Yates in St. Petersburg Florida in 1949 before her Hollywood Introduction. She was 14 years old and my mother was 7. Her parents lived in St. Petersburg, Florida for a bit.
Oh, you lucky. Carroll was special. - How many know how intellectual she was? Very classy woman. Still is.
The best picture of Carroll Baker is the 13th and last one on her IMDB profile.
Oh, to be a fly on the wall.
Good one Ryan!
Daly said that's his fly, '' Send him back to me.'' That got me laughing.
Bennet Cerf gets a kiss from Carroll Baker, while Tony, who saved her kids, gets only a handshake. Interesting
Yes, that was indeed strange!
Miss Quant reminded me of the scene in the film "A Hard Day's Night" where the fashion people hijack George Harrison and try to tell him what to like in fashion. And he finds it all "A drag!"
Also, the female interviewer asks Ringo if he is a "mod" or a "rocker," to which he replied he actually is a "mocker."
Both Phyllis and Arlene have dressed beautifully tonight. Arlene is in great form as a wit tonight. Her comments about water in the second product is worded such that technically she is talking of a tub but the words associated around that reference put one in mind of a toilet. Let the censors try and parse that!
This was 10 years after Ms. Baker played Luz Benedict II, in Giant.
Aired one day before my mom's 25th Birthday
NOW Dame Barbara Mary Quant (born 3/11/30 and still alive into 2022), she is the British fashion designer and fashion icon who became a trendy figure in the 1960s London-based Mod and youth fashion movements. She was one of the designers who took credit for the miniskirt and hotpants.
Smokin those hot pants 🤪
Ooh baby, what a doll!
She didn't hide her voice very well which is quite distinctive.
Two shows on June 26, 1966. The one they did earlier aired a week later on July 3.
Mary Quant. A leading British fashion designer, and known for mini-skirts.
A year later, the show would have Jean Shrimpton, who pretty much put not only the term "supermodel", but also the mini-skirt on the map.
And yes, Mary does look groovy. Gotta love the changing times, and the adoption of 60's terms.
I couldn't agree more on that....
I had assumed that "groovy" originated as a hip term in the 50's and 60's and was derived from the grooves in a rock 'n roll record. In verifying my assumption in connection to this discussion and episode, I found that I was partially correct. The term refers to record grooves. But it predates rock music by nearly a generation. It's first known use was in 1937 and it was coined by jazz musicians.
However by 1966, things that correctly or incorrectly were linked to black culture and were considered taboo in white society were now being seen as acceptable to become mainstream. So the term would have seemed new, hip and fresh to the kids and young adults who were fans of rock music at this time.
Ironically, when one looks it up now, it is listed as "dated" or "old-fashioned".
Since it was so closely tied to music, I thought about songs of the times that used the term. The first song that came to mind that used "groovy" (or a derivative word) in the title was this song. And it just so happened that it was still on the WABC music survey for the week that included 6/26/66, although it had peaked and was falling off the charts (from 9 to 15 that week). By The Mindbenders (sans Wayne Fontana although on the Fontana label), "A Groovy Kind of Love::
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The song made it as high as #2 on the Billboard charts, kept out of the #1 spot by Percy Sledge ("When a Man Loves a Woman"). 22 years later, Phil Collins took the song all the way to #1.
Mindbender guitarist Eric Stewart, who took over lead vocals when Wayne Fontana went solo, would eventually become a key member and lead vocalist for the band 10cc. In 1975 he once again had a song that reached #2 on the charts with "I'm Not In Love". This time it took a succession of three different songs to keep his song from #1: "The Hustle" by Van McCoy, "One of These Nights" by The Eagles, and "Jive Talkin'" by the Bee Gees.
Before Jean was Suzie Parker.
One of my favs. Arlene guessing sauna bath
John: There's a hooker in here, I must tell you right off the bat. As you probably have guessed by now, there's a rather special situation.
Tony: A non-profit hooker?
John: A non-profit hooker is exactly the way to put it. 22:40 [Watch Phyllis Newman's and Arlene's reaction]
I'm surprised that the audience didn't react to that. That was funny.
Johan Bengtsson Jason Francis
I think that Phyllis, Arlene, and the audience all just wanted to pretend that they didn't notice any double or dubious meaning in that phrase and just hope that it would get past the censors and the TV viewers without too much trouble! It was as if they all had an unwritten pact, saying: "this is embarrassing, and could be hilarious, but we just won't go there."
You're probably right, if this was the 70's or 80's, the audience most likely would gone crazy and the censors probably would've went nuts.
Jason Francis
I think you're right about later audiences' reactions. I'm not sure about the censors' reaction in the 70s, but I think that by the 80s they would have just went with it. In the heyday of "The Match Game," for example (was that the 70s or the 80s?), they were pretty much "anything goes!"
SaveThe TPC
Judging by Arlene's expression, I don't think she was amused at all by Tony's joke.
Johnny Carson had Miss Newman as a regular guest . He would introduce her in formal respectful terms, extolling her charm, wit and talent, then concluding with " and a great looking broad"
Fashion designer Mary Quant is still alive as of 2021... 91 years old.
I always preferred a steam to a sauna. When I used to go to the YMCA every day, I would go between the two. What a refreshing tonic.
I agree. steam is nicer than a sauna.
EDITED/CORRECTED -- 4:10 > Phyllis's use of "the way we say it here." When I viewed this when it was posted, I wrote this was the earliest use I have ever seen or heard of the 1960s slang term "groovy." Groovy in that sense was positive. I was wrong. Years before, I had seen [and recently I viewed it again] "The Chaperone" episode of "The Lucy Show" whcih contained "groovy" in the dialog in Spring 1963. Lucy's writers were Californians writing unconvincing slang dialog for New York teenagers including Lucie Arnaz and Eddie Hodges. None the less -- Mary Quant OBE was the grooviest in 1966.
The Oxford English Dictionary has examples of "groovy" dating back to 1936. Their definition is "Playing, or capable of playing, jazz or similar music brilliantly or easily; 'swinging'; appreciative of such music, 'hep', sophisticated, hence as a general term of commendation: excellent, very good...slang (orig. US)."
That was a weird introduction of Bennett by Arlene. Mary Quant just recently passed away.
There's a fly in my show...
Johan Bengtsson And also on the first color show (September 11, 1966).
***** Which we won't see in color, right. I have heard that some of the last seasons tapes, in color, were kept and preserved. Truth?
Joe Postove Rumor has it the finale exists on color videotape.
I love that Cecil Ellis pronounces "sauna" correctly as "SOW-nah", rather than "SAW-nuh" :-)
If you listen closely, his pronunciation is even more authentic: sa-oo-nah. A Finnish girl explained to me many years ago that the vowels are pronounced separately. So the A and the U are not pronounced SOW or SAW, but SA-OO.
@@mikejschin Hmmm... maybe what she meant was that in Finnish, you pronounce everything that is written? That's a very common thing Finns tell non-speakers. Finnish orthography, unlike English, is almost perfectly 1:1 when it comes to sound per character/letter. Finnish phonology has clear diphthongs, where it is a combination of, for example, a and u. Maybe she was emphasizing that you pronounce the diphthongs clearly with two vowels? I live in Finland, by the way and (not to brag!) have my MA in Finnish and Finno-Ugric languages :-)
@@lennypearl then you should've known better, yes?
I didn’t know the AP was not for profit.
I gotta see Carroll Baker's Giallo work one day, as someone who isn't ashamed to watch these kinds of movies once in awhile. And the great thing is that for at least most of them, she dubbed her dialogue for the English dubs.
A number of them used to be up on TH-cam - and may still be. (That's how I got to see them.) And a few of them can be seen on DailyMotion (the "dubbed in English" versions, for which Carroll Baker did, indeed, dub her own dialogue in that wonderful, rich Polish-American alto voice of hers).
Don’t you love how elegant these folks our. Try to do that today.
22:40 I was dying. 🤣
Carroll Baker was lovely here, and after an especially big Hollywood film-production (bio-pic) as Jean Harlow (released a bit earlier than this WML show) Carroll was (for a time) being touted as "Marilyn's successor." Only she wasn't - no one could or would ever replace Monroe. Carroll (as mentioned) was a lovely actress (and she had a wonderful career!) but there would never be any "replacement" of Monroe as much as the film studios tried back in the day. (And great cheers goes out to Miss Carroll Baker in 2015 - she was brilliant in "Baby Doll" from 1956!)
@gcjerryusc Thanks for the recommendation - I'll definitely check it out! I've never seen the film, but I saw (via a quick look-up) that a real favorite of mine also appears in "Pickup on South Street" - Thelma Ritter.
@gcjerryusc Thanks gcjerryusc! Thelma had six Oscar nominations to her credit (all "supporting") which was a record that still holds to this day. She passed on in early 1969 (very unexpectedly) just before turning 67. Had she lived longer, I believe she would have rolled out even more nominations - and eventually would have snagged a well deserved win.
Jean, what a sad life. I remember the movie well
Thank god Daly didn't say - AGAIN - that this was the first time Bennett got his name right.
Mr Sorgi did not correct DALY in how to pronounce his name. It's an Italian name; SORE-GEE. I think Bennett pronounced his name correctly later on or came close. Some people are afraid to correct folks when they mispronounce their name. SORE-GUY sounded so odd that's why I investigated.
Bennett's Weekly Pun: Sauna'f a gun (son of a gun). 12:30
Don't forget "she rings de bell in de house!" Even though he apparently only whispered it to Arlene, we still got to hear it -- for better or worse! ;)
wow, 2:18 for once john daly nails bennett cerf on the intro, so much so it went over his head, "what's that got to do with pollution?"
+tomitstube Yeah, I couldn't tell if Bennett "got it" or not" although it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't. Bennett's sense of humor is such that anything above a 3rd graders level could possibly go over his head. I think Bennett is great, but for being such a successful businessman you wonder sometimes how smart he is.
Jeff Vaughn i think that one got by cerf. good for john, he took a lot of guff from bennett over the years.
Absolutely not. Cerf picked up on the criticism. Had he truly not caught it he would have said nothing. Having understood it, rather than disagreeing, it was tactful to feign ignorance placing the burden on John to embarrassingly explain it, which John wisely refrained from
I did not like Carol Baker's "Harlow" movie. However, she was very good in "Baby Doll": -- in a crib yet -- and as the romantic sister in the sister duo of Carol Baker to the realistic sister Debbie Reynolds in "How the West was Won." Fantastic movie and fine performance by Carol.
Were there two Harlow movies that came out about the same time?
Joe Postove
Yes. Carroll Baker's was the big budget, Paramount Pictures release, while Carol Lynley starred in a low-budget, black-and-white version originally shot for television, but then hustled into theaters to capitalize on the publicity juggernaut created by the Baker version's producer, Joseph E. Levine, who was hell-bent on turning Baker into the reigning sex queen of the 1960's.
Other movies from back then in which I think she is very good include "Giant," "The Big Country," "The Miracle," "Bridge To The Sun," "Something Wild," "The Carpetbaggers," and "Cheyenne Autumn." One might consider adding "Sylvia," "The Greatest Story Ever Told," and "Mister Moses" to that list.
I want Mary Quant’s hair.
You can get it at Kohl's for 49.95
? I said boy did she get her hair cropped. Different tastes 😊
@@joeambrose3260 😂
Would not the door of a finnish bath be considered a moving part?
Joe Postove
I was wondering about that too.
They got her fairly quickly both times she was on.
Males the likes of Tony Randall are why women's lib was needed so badly in this country of America. 🇺🇸 It's a surprise he went on to be so popular with such narrow views on half if not more than half of his Television base back then.
For about fifteen years worth of WML episodes now, John Daly has ended the show by initiating the 'goodnight' process in a rather contorted "Oirish" accent. Don't get me wrong, it's quite a cosy thing....as if he was saying goodnight to a little child....and it's cute! He REALLY hams it up here though, dear me.
Councidentally over here on this side of the pond we had a PROPER Irish moderator wishing everyone goodnight on BBC's What's My Line!! If ai was Eamonn I'd think John was taking the mick....literally!! :)
Not very nice of Tony to say that Mary Quant's short dress looked like an old style bathing suit... 4:50
Johan Bengtsson Yeah, I agree. And normally, I don't mind Tony Randall, but that was tactless of him.
I think his intention was to comment on how short and close-fitting it was, but I agree that it came out sounding like an insult.
+Johan Bengtsson It was a little insulting although she took it quite well and in good humor. She seemed like she had a fun personality.
Johan Bengtsson And they did.
I thought the same thing, but she seemed to have a sense of humor and took it as a joke, which I'm sure is how he meant it.
From 1962 to 1966, the only women who sat in the first chair were Dorothy, Arlene, Phyllis Newman and Carol Channing. Channing was huge on Broadway, and Newman must have done some tough negotiating for G-T to agree for her to appear on WML. All totaled, Newman appeared less than 15 times on WML from 1963 to this point.
soulierinvestments Tony Randall sat in the first chair too!
Did Miss Dibell cover the World Series? The Orioles won it that year (4 straight over the Dodgers)!
+TheJonaco
It's possible, although I didn't find any such stories with her byline when I searched. Knowing she would have been considered a rookie reporter at the paper, considering that it was the first time a Baltimore baseball team had been in a major league World Series (or its predecessor) since the 1890's Temple Cup teams, and considering the attitudes towards women at the time, Miss Dibell would have been assigned to do an article on the player's wives or the female fans in attendance, if she was assigned anything at all.
In her career up to this point, she was not exclusively a sports writer. She took whatever assignments she had been given. In archived articles I've found with her byline (and AP writers didn't always get bylines), I have seen articles by her ranging from the birth of a huge litter of pups to astronaut Virgil "Gus" Grissom.
And Mary Quant
WML's set was notorious for lousy acoustics and for determined flies on occasion. Certain flys actually moved from one studio to another. Dorothy once dealt with a spider on live TV. Scorpions, fortunately, never showed up on live WML.
... except for anyone born between October 21 and November 20.
Then Twiggy came along. Both were adorable. Mary is 36 here.
I hope that fly made it out of the studio.
Omar Gonzalez Why? I'm a vegetarian and love creatures, btw. :)
davey - you speak like a fool, grasshopper...
If the fly was able to escape the studio to the outside, the air pollution would have killed it.
Miss Kathy Dibelle is a feminine beauty.
Just a random observation, and basically meaningless - I notice that the "sign-in" board is always erased during the guest's time, as it is wiped clean by the time the guest leaves to shake hands. And yet I have never seen anybody glance in that direction, as one would be likely to do if distracted by a stage hand coming on stage to clean the board. Maybe it's cleaned at a specified time when the camera operators are otherwise focused on someone, or maybe I'm just watching this show entirely too much?
Anyone see a Jack Paarish quality to Tony Randall?
I know what you mean but, Tony Randall seemed to have a warmth Jack Paar did not.
Fourth game: she rings de bell in de house. Oh Bennett. You make me laugh sometimes.
Too bad her name wasn't D.C. Bel or Desi Bel... :)
She would have been great on a quiz show where the correct answers are given in the form of a question. She would have been especially good in the Dibell Jeopardy round.
A good sauna costs 2,000 dollars in America 1966. How much is that today oh master of math?
+Joe Postove I believe I read somewhere that $1 in 1965 was worth 7 1/2 times that now so that would make a $2,000 sauna worth about $15,000 now.
Jeff Vaughn I'm sweating already!
If the second contestant's name is pronounced 'Sehsil', not 'Seecil', then he shouldn't be able to move from his spot (sessile)
Marlo Thomas or Phyllis ? obviously Phyllis but that took awhile
Wouldn't a Finnish Bath have a door? Thus a moving part?
You are a genius
What happened to TV and the English language???
Phyllis Newman and Marlo Thomas, seperated at birth?
Whenever John has to wrap things up on the final contestant, he always says the exact same thing about whatever line of work they're in: "because this is a lot of fun" or always some variation of "this is a fun one," etc. I always wondered why they didn't have a clock for the panelists to look at so they could pace themselves. John is a touch distracting the way his eyes keep darting over the panel to watch the clock.
Lilly Beans You get used to it after watching five hundred of these things!!
Looks stressed
I wonder if the quality of Tony's movies are going downhill as fast as the titles. We suffered through the throes of "Fluffy: and now "Bang Bang, You're Dead". What happened to his career?
Don't forget "The Alphabet Murders".
Johan Bengtsson I didn't know about it! YIKES!
Like a ball bouncing, and each peak lower than the previous one, did Tony's film career in the 1960s proceed. It happens to many film actors. Some of them were able to transition successfully to television, as Tony Randall did.
The audience ruins alot
OH MY GOSH!!! he didn't flip the cards over when she only had 5 dollars!!
(I wonder, if after all these years, the producers FINALLY talked to him)
$5 in 1966 is $200 in 2024
Bennett Cerf was a letch.
14:30 Carroll Baker.
Why after 16 years the initial panelist intros are so awkward and/or unfunny, especially on this episode?
Craig Calman It's "better television" to pretend you don't know what to say or feign a mistake or two. Slick intros all the time look contrived.
Phyllis Newman is so irritating
Jayne Mansfield was prettier
Miss X, the first contestant had the worst posture of anyone on the show since Walter Matthau. Maybe she was weak from not eating. Not something a little corned beef on white bread with mayonnaise couldn't fix up.
Joe Postove
I have to admit that I noticed both her poor posture and her stylish look all at once. I thought, "she can't be a model with posture like that," yet she had the style of someone who might be. I guess it makes sense that she was involved with fashion from behind the scenes, rather than on the runway or in front of the cameras.
SaveThe TPC She is still alive! I hope she has gained some weight, TPC!
Joe Postove
She was thin, and still is in the pictures linked on this page by *****, but I don't think she was *too* thin in either.
+Joe Postove
She actually asked for scrambled eggs (which any Beatles trivia fan knows was Paul McCartney's working title for a song that eventually became known as "Yesterday").
"Corned beef on white bread with mayonnaise"? Why, was there a shortage of rye bread and mustard?
Carol baker was trying to look like Marilyn Monroe. No doubt a dyed blonde.🤦
They all were bleached.
Tony needed to BRAG...not surprised