For the old fakes, yeah they were super obvious. I doubt you will ever start to see deepfakes like this for the modern cards people actually play, but for old sets that have high collectors values starting to crop up like LOB and Metal Raiders I can all but assure you that we will start seeing counterfeits of this degree or better.
@@luckysevens6852 They do but Its still pretty easy to tell when compared to a legit card. The way light reflects off the cards, the durability of the material are all obvious signs that are very easy to tell in person.
The “it’s tough” “idk” “hard to tell” all stems from the fact you know deep down someone took you for 10k and you wanna do unspeakable things. I FEEL YOUR PAIN. so upsetting
@@LookingTheBest lol. Yes. Multiple comic collections. 5,10,12,25,45k. Multiple toy collections 5,7,12,15,30k and multiple cash deal vehicles. Most I’ve spent on Pokémon is $8300 tho. Why do you ask tho…I’ve near been scammed out of 10k tho
This really sucks. You can tell by the redness in his ears, the embarrassment and disbelief that this box was full of crap and fakes. I wish you the best in the future that you don't run into this problem.
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crazy seeing you here BuTTeR, I remember seeing you on twitter back in September getting really annoyed at resealed packs in one of the stores in the US and I honestly had no idea it was gonna blow back up in popularity so much! Gonna check out your PSA submissions :)
It's crazy seeing denial in action. Says so much about Rev's character though. Such a wholesome dude trying to see the positive. But yeah I can't believe how long he entertained the idea that it was real
I am a poor character person and I’ve denied to myself that I was sold grass clippings instead of weed all the way up to smoking it before I admitted it to myself. It’s not a character trait, it’s a defensive trait.
I personally believe this was from the same equipment , paper and inks , but the person/s doing this look to be in a hurry . Leading me to think this was unauthorized reprints . That constitutes fakes .
I am completely in awe of how professional you are. I know that 1 subscriber does not compare to a 10k box, but with this video you won not only a new subscriber, but a deep admiration. Greetings from Argentina.
The font is different. Slightly more magnified and also some are spaced differently, but seriously though, the fakes are getting better and better! So annoying
Just got to the end myself, the whole cards are usually foil, I've removed them before on genuine cards, and that's how you get holo bleed, but would normally be printed on, not a sticker lol
I don't know how the new ones are made but the old cards are only foiled in several areas so only where it is necessary. And it's seems like they have the same pattern as the genuine neo ones so.. they didn't use new holofoil.. so.. they faked it
And this is exactly why I'm a casual card enthusiast. I can get just as happy with a basic pokemon card with a new or cute/interesting artwork and only spend MAYBE $40 a month. Any holo pulled results in the happiness dance and ceremonial sleeving. Works for me and my fam, we aren't crazy about investing in it, don't have any plans to trade or compete in battles, just fans of the Pokemon themselves.
Some card venders have missprints that get passed along production and miss major steps. I know this because I was a production manager it looks like this was a pre print that was post production that was sent ahead without any thought...
@@macauley4466 those counterfeits are garbage. There's some super high quality ones available on AliExpress that have black cores, pass most tests including light test, the only way to tell if they're real is by using a jewler's loupe to look at the fine details that are hard to replicate. The ones in this video look like they were printed off around 2010 or so. They're definitely good, but a trained eye can see the obvious difference in text size and alignment. The latest batch of fakes I ordered were nearly perfect macroscopically, had to bust out the loupe to check them and they're spot on aside from some of the text/symbol edges.
dude seeing how good these fakes are and the resealed box is terrifying. I they didn't mess up the pack reseals and, centering, and card order, we may never have known
Some of the best fakes I ever saw was in Mexico. The cards honestly felt and looked exactly the same and that was early 2010s. I can only imagine them now
Sometimes there are bubbles of criminal genius in some places of the world that are so sophisticated in the art of forgery that we can be lucky that those are often contained inside of their respective country's borders and don't have either brain or capacity to export.
but even buying from someone like him could get you fake cards. Imagine if instead of opening the packs he sold the box thinking they're real, then you'd be buying something that's fake without either of you knowing.
Vids like this are why I'm so scared to jump back into the retro market, so grateful I have so much from this Era already open from when I was a kid, makes me want to open all my unopened product just to see but so scared of receiving this kick to the teeth. Im sorry this happened to you bro, you didn't deserve this.
If the art looks really weird tho, it might be a card from the so called "Vending series" Its some sort of set that was apparently only sold in vendings? Maxmoefoe mentions those often when opening mystery mandrake cubes. [Or it could be a magazine promo.]
Yeah, I just don’t get people. How you can be such a piece of shit and have no problem with it. It’s calming to know that people who do this sort of stuff always get what’s coming to them, in one way or another
If they should have a chance of getting away with this they should have sold the boosters separately and sealed them correctly. Cus it just got way to obvious when u worked ur way through the box..
you can tell many many differences on the cyndaquil cards at 25:00 - especially the lines and lettering or symobol, differences, and thickness in inking.
@@Lifeofbass but he made it all back on stream. Still can get a refund and can probably buy another box. It isnt the money he cares about. He love the cards more. I think he's more disappointed than sad.
I have too agree just in general it was a cool hobby to own older cards now its just people with loads of spare cash that can invest and the risk of now getting fakes is so high ive even seen fake boxes opened that had wizards seals on aswell
This is getting as bad as another hobby of mine. Hot Wheels. Scalpers buying up all the premium cars by having friends on the inside of Walmart , Target, and so on that hold the cars in the back or go through them before they reach the floor. End up on Ebay for 10-20X the price. It's not even fun anymore.
Why are people in the Pokémon community reselling these empty packs and boxes? What did you guys think would happen. If you’re a Pokémon Enthusiast do you go out buying packs to collect them? Explain why. Booster boxes I understand.
I'll still try to collect. Just can't buy anything online anymore. Yard sales and garage sales, flea markets ect and graded products only at this point. I got ripped off on a few mystery boxes on amazon and its just bad that if you don't personally get the item yourself in store its most likely resealed.
This is one of those amazing videos that you hear about but rarely witness.its sad, but I appreciate you bailed on the video and you refunded people, hope you sorted out your own refund from the scammer.
Here is a compilation if things I noticed and are to look out for: 1. Burred Packs 2. Sealing Areas of the Pack Cover itself was lower than usual. 3. Opened/Improper Sealing off the Packs 4. The Pack Sealing Marks were much larger. 5. Horrible Centerings of the Cards 6. Card Order of the packs were often in the exact same order. 7. Color and Gloss 8. Text on cards were misplaced, look at the text of an attack and then the attack value, the attack values positioning was incorrect. 9. Text Spacing was off, in this case so close that the HP 50 was instead like HP50 where the P and the 5 was touching each other. 10. The 5 was different in the HP 50, the font was more curved at the bottom where the original was not, pay very close attention to that 5. 11. Blur on Cards, displacement or odd features of various marks, such as the card generation indicator, the evolution indicator. 12. Texture and Feel 13. Holo failing the Rip test.
Holo Japanese are like sticker the only difference is the should leave no holo on it it should be white on it when you break it and you should be able to see blue in the middle instead of black like the American cards are
All packs came with the same cards.... “Wow that’s so weird, I’ll do 1 more” Inspects it more, same cards being pulled “Wow that’s so weird, I’ll do 1 more “
The person who sold it could have been scammed too. It could have been a long way back to the scammer. So a lot of people could have been scammed in the process. It ended with him, if he didn’t know any better he would have technically scammed everyone else. Luckily for everyone else and unfortunately for him, it ended with him.
My dad and I were massively into collecting Pokémon cards in 1999 & 2000, and we encountered these cards, likely because we bought a lot on eBay. When you mentioned how "glossy" they feel, it triggered a very distinct memory. These may not only be fakes of vintage cards, but actually vintage fakes.
I am a graphic designer and had to rebuild a lot of graphics/Logos for jobs so i know how much work it is to rebuild something like this. Altough i saw the differences in the fonts pretty fast it is really scary how much effort they put into faking these cards... But as always criminals dont know limits... You handled the situation really good and i hope you get refunded somehow! Best greetings from germany and i love your streams!
So sorry rev! We all looked forward to it especially me as neo genesis is my all time favorite set and finally managed to grab a pack. But: No one is blaming you and I think we should use this opportunity to educate each other on how do detect fake boxes. You are doing an amazing job and we appreciate you. We’ll figure this out!! 👽
Yup... he was in denial. The colors and graphics were seriously off and the typeset differences were a dead giveaway. Buy yourself a 10X loupe. It will give even more clarity to the fakeness.
Working at a print shop for 7 years taught me that when you scan an object and then print it digitally, it thickens all the lines and makes them bolder.. they are all in the same order bc they were printed off and stacked before cutting...
This video was my first time in the pokecave after it appeared in my recommended. The way you handled this situation said a lot about your character which got me interested in your other videos and ultimately led to me becoming a member and participating in your live openings. Keep killin it Rev and I can't wait to see what's gonna go down in the cave in 2021.
Honestly, the open packs would have been a no go for me. I wouldnt have even continued . I’d be out lookin to kick somebody’s ass and getting my Money back. People just be so damn shady.
its like with shoe replicas, over time they have gotten so good that if the replica is gonna be indistinguishable, or almost indistinguishable from the og, the price is still gonna be really high
Yeah. It’s getting good. To the point where people are going to be so afraid of even buying the real ones. Eventually people just stop buying. this can mean, that market is going to crash? I’m hoping. So now I can afford it. All joke asides, though. I feel bad for him. Hope you get this resolved. Lol
The trouble is the fakers will invest more money into making heathers cards look just as good if not better than the originals. I remember seeing a program years ago where this dude made a load of copy pottery or some shit and even the art experts couldn’t tell what was fake or real. Same thing will happen with Pokemon, probably has already been happening for years
@@guywilliams6569 the problem with pokemon boxes like this one is that they often get bought and sold alot before they're opened which makes it hard to work out who opened it and resealed it.
@@guywilliams6569 I’ll second what James said. These boxes are pretty old and you never know at what point the box was resealed when it has changed hands a number of times. Especially with this one being clear-wrapped, the last seller (and potentially more than one previous seller before them) could’ve bought this box thinking it was 100% sealed and legitimate. He says in the video that he is going to get into contact with the seller after filming this, hopefully they figure out where it came from
@@martymcfly8494 who do you think you’re calling a loser 😡, if you had bothered to read my comment you would see that it says “to protect the community” if the sellers is unaware hes selling resealed products then outing him will warn people off buying from him, so maybe think before you throw insults around! 🤡
@@pokemark7139 so you want a potential innocent party to be harassed etc “to protect the community”? If the seller was also unaware it was a fake because they had bought it from another seller(OG Scammer) stored it and thought it was all good then now sell it to this guy. Both parties innocent and yet you’d harass this seller without knowing they are the scammer. You’re the fucking clown 🤡 not Marty.
Damn, my heart broke for you, it was obvious from five minutes in the video and I know you thought so yourself you just didn’t want it to be true. Handled like a professional, much respect for staying professional. 👊🏼
How you held your nerve through all that and didn't swear once is astonishing. I admire your expertise and passion so much, this was so gutting to watch. On to the next one tho, we move.
Here is the type of future I see for pokemon cards to keep having success: > When fake Pokemon cards will be too easy to produce, all ungraded cards will have to be checked not only for grade but also for fakeness with a machine/precise ai camera. >Because of ai cameras, grading cards will be faster than ever and all fake cards, etc. will be recycled. > I expect very cheap thin credit card type chips in every single card, psa case, pack art, box, etc. The item will be scanned to check it has been created by Pokemon.
Hey just sent out two Japanese arcanines to be graded one glossy one non, I will let you know when they return. Similar issues. I Belive quality was just awful tbh.
It hurts to see, especially because this isn’t from one guy sitting in a room faking one card. It’s most likely a bigger „company“ printing tons of those cards. Who knows how many people bought the exact same fake box.
Why didn’t he rip a real Holo Japanese that’s the only way your going find out it’s real, now i’m concerned if my PSA Holo are even fake or real now, Japanese cards are hard to tell, Japan has good ways to make fakes, cause the English ones are easily noticeable if there fake
@@ricardosantiago9888 So you are suggesting to rip all the japanese holo cards he was collecting for years just to verify 100%if they are real? Nice plan. Might as well just throw your cards in the trash immediately.
Like isnt there supposed to be an official Seal or something on the bottom? And doesn't the plastic wrap have a pokemon water mark on it too? Or was that later gen cards?
@@ScruffyNerf_Herder these older booster boxes were officially made by Wizards Of The Coast which is one of the best companies in the old days to find cards of any genre Anyways their shrink wraps ALWAYS contain their logo on it
And correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the bottom of that box say there’s 300 cards? I know I don’t know a lot about openings but there’s 10 cards per pack X 60 packs = 600 cards right?
Right now with Pokemon are going high in the market, these things going happen to new people. New people to Pokemon can't tell the difference fake or the original cards.
@@YOUNGINflyy I agree with you, things going on Pokemon going high in market. Scammers are going resealed booster box, and put the fake cards in there.
Yo the dedication to ur craft is awesome the fact ur ripping a real card even just one is respectable bro I appreciate ur realness I love this hobby n it sucks ppl do this
"They couldn't even have faked a Lugia for us at least?" 🤣😅🤣 You had me dead man. We outta find out who these bum darts are and tie some socks around there nuts with rocks and watch them sink in a Chinese river somewhere.
This one was tough to watch but I respect how you handled this and how you proceeded with treating it like normal until you were sure. Bless up Rev, better times to come
REV. I AM SCARED! I dont know how they faked that so good. And the fact that they knew none had the guts to RIP a holo. This is not okay! We will do something about this😔
I don't know much about Pokemon cards but I enjoy collecting magic, especially sealed. Heart breaking man... I recently had two kamigawa boxes that were 100% resealed but thankfully I video taped myself opening the package from start to finish and it was so obvious even a frame from the video would show a person who's opened more than a couple magic packs it was resealed. It's tough man
I hope this was all resolved, just recently got back into collecting thanks to you. Thank you for your content , your energy, your humility. I appreciate you
One of the nice things about being a Yugioh player is that fake Yugioh cards look like they were made by a blind man in a warehouse basement.
For the old fakes, yeah they were super obvious. I doubt you will ever start to see deepfakes like this for the modern cards people actually play, but for old sets that have high collectors values starting to crop up like LOB and Metal Raiders I can all but assure you that we will start seeing counterfeits of this degree or better.
I remember getting some fakes when i was a kid in like 2007 n u could easily tell, this is crazy
Yeah, I'm a magic player and most people in that community would of shut it down in a heartbeat at the very first sign of a red flag.
@@austinwilburn1772 mtg has some pretty convincing counterfeits out there from what I've heard.
@@luckysevens6852 They do but Its still pretty easy to tell when compared to a legit card. The way light reflects off the cards, the durability of the material are all obvious signs that are very easy to tell in person.
Nothing but credit for how well u handled this.
3 minutes in and I'm watching a man with the biggest optimistic about attitude of 2020.
And just like that, 2020 brought him back to 2020
i’d be optimistic as well if i had 10K on the line.
English
@Bebe Amebe Penisi still a felony after a certain point. And literally scummy
wdym *with the biggest optimistic about attitude of 2020*
Crazy how they can do all that shit but can't figure out how to seal the packs
The “it’s tough” “idk” “hard to tell” all stems from the fact you know deep down someone took you for 10k and you wanna do unspeakable things. I FEEL YOUR PAIN. so upsetting
Have you ever spent 10k on anything?
@@LookingTheBest lol. Yes. Multiple comic collections. 5,10,12,25,45k. Multiple toy collections 5,7,12,15,30k and multiple cash deal vehicles. Most I’ve spent on Pokémon is $8300 tho. Why do you ask tho…I’ve near been scammed out of 10k tho
@@LookingTheBest oh and I spent 15k on Doge at $.023
@@Noname-eg6xm please tell me you didn’t put 15k into doge 🤡
@@wutangtimmy3064 $15k at .02. It’s at .30 and I cashed at .59. Do the math 🤣😅🤯😬🤫🤑
This really sucks. You can tell by the redness in his ears, the embarrassment and disbelief that this box was full of crap and fakes. I wish you the best in the future that you don't run into this problem.
Damn his ears where red
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His ears were practically on fire
Dam his ears where all red lol
😂😂😂
51:29 Man’s soul just got crushed. Sorry this happened. People are awful.
well.. he deserved it ❤️
@SimpleGamingChannel it shouldn’t have that plastic film on it...
Szobiz why?
the way the music cut out man.. damn
I miss your epic seven content
I really hate people ruining the hobby for us. I've been collecting for 20+ years and I've been tricked too by convincing fakes ☹️
yeah i need to learn how to fake them, you can make so much money with it its awesome
@@TheChupapiPapi
@@TheChupapiPapi 🤡
The look on his face when he noticed the cards are in the same order is just heartbreaking. Like a look of total embarrassment and disbelief.
im the 100 liker
thats when he knows for sure its fake and then proceeds to pretend like he doesn't already know for the next 45 minutes
@@janirobe true 😂😂
lmao 🤣 shit was funny as fck
@@janirobe he wanted em to turn real, but the real nail in the coffin was ripping the holo's
44:45 is when he finally comes to his senses and realizes he was duped....that's unfortunate, but I'm glad you gave the viewers their money back
I literally could tell the second he opened the box...
I feel Like the FULL Acceptance wasn’t till the Dude ripped that Holo thou
He was in so much denial he said "it could have been a sealing issue at the factory" at least 10 times.
Yeah he was hoping but yeah when you have that many packs like that open its not good
The whole video is one huge cope
That, and people aren't tuned into the stream at the same time, so people will stop spamming "what happened?"
Well it was a sealing issue at "a" factory, its just not the factory we hoped for :/
I had that issue with my box back in the day. It was legit but not this many bags were open.
This guy has such a passion and really cares about fellow collectors…. Respect
Dude im not even into Pokemoncards or opening shit, but this made me sad watching him + being him so professionally handling it.
That's the only reason why he's calm lmao
Sorry to see this my man. Hopefully it gets sorted. Thanks for being such an icon in the community!
crazy seeing you here BuTTeR, I remember seeing you on twitter back in September getting really annoyed at resealed packs in one of the stores in the US and I honestly had no idea it was gonna blow back up in popularity so much! Gonna check out your PSA submissions :)
Hey what’s up butter! I remember watching your channel when you were grinding division 1 with slippery in the dark zone 😂 good ol days
Says u bro u been a legend since. Og Tom clancy
Division 2 content? Any?
Sheeeet see u in the Dark Zone 😂
It's crazy seeing denial in action. Says so much about Rev's character though. Such a wholesome dude trying to see the positive. But yeah I can't believe how long he entertained the idea that it was real
I am a poor character person and I’ve denied to myself that I was sold grass clippings instead of weed all the way up to smoking it before I admitted it to myself. It’s not a character trait, it’s a defensive trait.
@@sickstuff7624 true
@@sickstuff7624 crazy introspection
@@sickstuff7624 damn how tf u not notice that? U buy reggie on the reggie huh?
@@brandongomez1806 ahahahaha he smoking mud
Man, I felt so bad when he pulled the first pack out and saw it was open. My heart weeps for you.
I knew right away it was fake. That will never happen in a factory
Best fakes I've seen yet, but never would all the packs be the same cards in the same order. Scary they are making them that good though.
I personally believe this was from the same equipment , paper and inks , but the
person/s doing this look to be in a hurry . Leading me to think this was unauthorized reprints . That constitutes fakes .
The fakes are so good since they only need to do a very little variation. That's why ever pacck contain the same cards
Mehhhh. It’s good for his ass. Maybe I’ll start selling fakes. Seems like a sucker is born every TH-cam channel. Gotta love it.
@@NA-pt6ck Like you even could lmfao
@Boa-Noah if Psa puts them in a slab then it will be impossible to any person to tell it’s a fake lol
I am completely in awe of how professional you are. I know that 1 subscriber does not compare to a 10k box, but with this video you won not only a new subscriber, but a deep admiration. Greetings from Argentina.
amazing.
Extremely unprofessional!!! He had nothing ready!!! He needs to learn how to edit.
@@kurtisknight593 edit a live stream?
@@t.c.574 lmao that’s what I was thinking like bro, this happened live
@@kurtisknight593 bro, u alright?
The font is different. Slightly more magnified and also some are spaced differently, but seriously though, the fakes are getting better and better! So annoying
Did you see the end? The front of the holos isn't just paper.. it's a fcking foil xD
Actual Pokémon cards are printed onto foil
@@richsanson8497 the whole card isn’t foil with a glued on card lmao
Just got to the end myself, the whole cards are usually foil, I've removed them before on genuine cards, and that's how you get holo bleed, but would normally be printed on, not a sticker lol
I don't know how the new ones are made but the old cards are only foiled in several areas so only where it is necessary.
And it's seems like they have the same pattern as the genuine neo ones so.. they didn't use new holofoil.. so.. they faked it
And this is exactly why I'm a casual card enthusiast. I can get just as happy with a basic pokemon card with a new or cute/interesting artwork and only spend MAYBE $40 a month. Any holo pulled results in the happiness dance and ceremonial sleeving. Works for me and my fam, we aren't crazy about investing in it, don't have any plans to trade or compete in battles, just fans of the Pokemon themselves.
Same!
I will stay a member and continue to purchase from your shop because i trust your judgment and good natured spirit.
How u have an alien by ur name wtf
Right the fact that he uploaded this and didn’t have to tell us shows a lot about his character
He also refunded everyone that purchased. This is the type of guy I'd be comfortable buying from
My heart sank when you hit the deja vu moment of repeating card order.:(
It was funny cause a pack before I had that realization.
Time stamp?
@@marcuss7047 22:10
Some card venders have missprints that get passed along production and miss major steps. I know this because I was a production manager it looks like this was a pre print that was post production that was sent ahead without any thought...
@@macauley4466 those counterfeits are garbage. There's some super high quality ones available on AliExpress that have black cores, pass most tests including light test, the only way to tell if they're real is by using a jewler's loupe to look at the fine details that are hard to replicate. The ones in this video look like they were printed off around 2010 or so. They're definitely good, but a trained eye can see the obvious difference in text size and alignment. The latest batch of fakes I ordered were nearly perfect macroscopically, had to bust out the loupe to check them and they're spot on aside from some of the text/symbol edges.
47:33 I bet this poor guy has woken up in a cold sweat screaming "They're all the same!"
dude seeing how good these fakes are and the resealed box is terrifying. I they didn't mess up the pack reseals and, centering, and card order, we may never have known
The consistent repeat of the same cards is a dead giveaway though.
@@jakeplumber1373 YEah but with actual card variation it would be nearly impossible to tell for most.
Some of the best fakes I ever saw was in Mexico. The cards honestly felt and looked exactly the same and that was early 2010s. I can only imagine them now
Sometimes there are bubbles of criminal genius in some places of the world that are so sophisticated in the art of forgery that we can be lucky that those are often contained inside of their respective country's borders and don't have either brain or capacity to export.
Sheesh
Howd u differ em
That's why we buy from you and not single cards on ebay. It's not your fault, i hope you get all of your money back pokerev!
I always use Ebay honestly
but even buying from someone like him could get you fake cards. Imagine if instead of opening the packs he sold the box thinking they're real, then you'd be buying something that's fake without either of you knowing.
@@siamsttr And, to be fair, there’s always a chance the person he bought them from didn’t know either.
You saw his soul leave his body when he ripped that holo. Tried to stay optimistic throughout but that was it.
Vids like this are why I'm so scared to jump back into the retro market, so grateful I have so much from this Era already open from when I was a kid, makes me want to open all my unopened product just to see but so scared of receiving this kick to the teeth. Im sorry this happened to you bro, you didn't deserve this.
One of my rule of thumb, if the cards are glossy, it's fake, and that was literally one of the first thing I noticed.
If the art looks really weird tho, it might be a card from the so called "Vending series"
Its some sort of set that was apparently only sold in vendings? Maxmoefoe mentions those often when opening mystery mandrake cubes.
[Or it could be a magazine promo.]
@@insaniayt7824 I mean, he openned 3 packs in a row and got the same pokemons at the exactly same order, what are the odds.. right?
The sadness in his voice when he said “now I don’t know”...imagine scamming someone for a few thousand dollars and sleeping at night.
Yeah. If I did that, I would never be able to sleep at night.
@@terry122 then you already have a life and/or live in a country that doesnt/dont let you sleep at night.
Few??? 10k is not few
@@lorenz2781 ?
Yeah, I just don’t get people. How you can be such a piece of shit and have no problem with it.
It’s calming to know that people who do this sort of stuff always get what’s coming to them, in one way or another
This dude handled this so well
I probably would have broke down and cried or punched a wall
Positive mentality is a great thing to have
ur not a millionaire
This was pennies to a rich man plus he will make a bunch from the video
Getting paid to upload it either way. Plus, likely some “pity donations” during the stream.
@@vandevkieboom how did he make his millions.
@@LITMOVIESCENES positive mentality boyy
I’ve never seen someone be in denial for so long. My heart was breaking for you man.
If they should have a chance of getting away with this they should have sold the boosters separately and sealed them correctly.
Cus it just got way to obvious when u worked ur way through the box..
No
yes
They were just out to get poke rev
Ok I'll do that next time
Stupid idea either way but ok genius
You handled this situation perfectly. Well done Rev!
@@Angel42515 nope these holo cards are totaly fake... these never came from pokemon themself
@@Angel42515 They were some of the best fake cards I’ve ever seen. Very convincing at first glance, but definitely fake.
Minus the spending 10k on fake cards part
i hope you see the guy who sold it to you in person
it was bald guru
Nah he prob too scared
Yoooooo i watch your minecraft vids
🤜🧑🏻🦲
It dangerous tho ain't smart
you can tell many many differences on the cyndaquil cards at 25:00 - especially the lines and lettering or symobol, differences, and thickness in inking.
It was fake from the jump , poor guy just didn’t want it to be, I feel for you.
Yeah, can't blame him. Dude lost A LOT of money.
@@Lifeofbass but he made it all back on stream. Still can get a refund and can probably buy another box. It isnt the money he cares about. He love the cards more. I think he's more disappointed than sad.
@@DreadFool he made 400k on stream?
@@db5094 pretty sure this booster went for like 10k
@@db5094 where did you get 400k from?
This is suppose to be a fun hobby and scammers/greedy people are just ruining it for the rest of us. Hopefully you get your money back.
I have too agree just in general it was a cool hobby to own older cards now its just people with loads of spare cash that can invest and the risk of now getting fakes is so high ive even seen fake boxes opened that had wizards seals on aswell
tbf... People were scamming boxes since the start. It became a bigger issue after 2010 starting with base set in english and Neo in Japanese.
This is getting as bad as another hobby of mine. Hot Wheels. Scalpers buying up all the premium cars by having friends on the inside of Walmart , Target, and so on that hold the cars in the back or go through them before they reach the floor. End up on Ebay for 10-20X the price. It's not even fun anymore.
Yess I agrea wi dumbies nead too steek toogethear. Stoopid peepol r strongre wen their iz lot ov uss
Why are people in the Pokémon community reselling these empty packs and boxes? What did you guys think would happen. If you’re a Pokémon Enthusiast do you go out buying packs to collect them? Explain why. Booster boxes I understand.
Damn the hobby/market has become very toxic in the last 6 months, it's just not fun to collect anymore...
Thanks for everything you've done so far Rev
What happen
@@adityanosora the box rev opened today was fake, seems a lot of fake card and boxes on the market
I'll still try to collect. Just can't buy anything online anymore. Yard sales and garage sales, flea markets ect and graded products only at this point. I got ripped off on a few mystery boxes on amazon and its just bad that if you don't personally get the item yourself in store its most likely resealed.
Yup i've also noticed this. So many people just getting into pokemon because they saw in logan pauls video that there's a lot of money in the hobby.
Quite sure this box has been faked ages ago, not anything recent. Stories have surfaced for very convincing japanese neo fakes few years back.
This is one of those amazing videos that you hear about but rarely witness.its sad, but I appreciate you bailed on the video and you refunded people, hope you sorted out your own refund from the scammer.
Here is a compilation if things I noticed and are to look out for:
1. Burred Packs
2. Sealing Areas of the Pack Cover itself was lower than usual.
3. Opened/Improper Sealing off the Packs
4. The Pack Sealing Marks were much larger.
5. Horrible Centerings of the Cards
6. Card Order of the packs were often in the exact same order.
7. Color and Gloss
8. Text on cards were misplaced, look at the text of an attack and then the attack value, the attack values positioning was incorrect.
9. Text Spacing was off, in this case so close that the HP 50 was instead like HP50 where the P and the 5 was touching each other.
10. The 5 was different in the HP 50, the font was more curved at the bottom where the original was not, pay very close attention to that 5.
11. Blur on Cards, displacement or odd features of various marks, such as the card generation indicator, the evolution indicator.
12. Texture and Feel
13. Holo failing the Rip test.
Man you can tell this guy was just not giving up hope
Imagine how much money he lost here.
It was sad for real. It made my heart sink
Joey Polisena you'd do the same if you spent 10k on a box.
Holo Japanese are like sticker the only difference is the should leave no holo on it it should be white on it when you break it and you should be able to see blue in the middle instead of black like the American cards are
Pulls first card. Surface is shinier than the moon. Seems legit.
Bro there are some packs that are Hella fucked up but real and they even cost more I think BTW u know he just lost 10k right
@@nicoschnabel7580 i mean he got his money back,things like this are good to learn on even if its unfortunate.
@@mo938 well if it isn't reflective or shiny. How else would you see the moon? 🤣
@@mo938 the moon is basically a mirror to the sun. Physics
Right? I knew right away the surface was way too reflective and glossy it’s an obvious giveaway
Massive respect for being so humble and creating a truly inspiring youtube channel. Keep up the amazing work!
All packs came with the same cards....
“Wow that’s so weird, I’ll do 1 more”
Inspects it more, same cards being pulled
“Wow that’s so weird, I’ll do 1 more “
In denial
Even 45 mins furiously opening packs
*I don't know*
*One more*
It took until ripping the shiny to accept it
Lmao the look on his face is hilarious
in denial because of how expensive and real the cards seemed to be
This is scary. Imagine the amount of fakes there are out there.
Millions. I see lots of vendors at the fleamarket all day!
Almost everyone trying to bank off those who dont think and just buy so fakes are made anytime and we get taken and loose out anytime.
@@cable30 facts
I’m really sorry that happened. I’m really mad at whoever sold the box.
Dude what does it take the card that says reprent
The person who sold it could have been scammed too. It could have been a long way back to the scammer. So a lot of people could have been scammed in the process. It ended with him, if he didn’t know any better he would have technically scammed everyone else. Luckily for everyone else and unfortunately for him, it ended with him.
@@shaneshelby9348huh??
My dad and I were massively into collecting Pokémon cards in 1999 & 2000, and we encountered these cards, likely because we bought a lot on eBay. When you mentioned how "glossy" they feel, it triggered a very distinct memory. These may not only be fakes of vintage cards, but actually vintage fakes.
I am a graphic designer and had to rebuild a lot of graphics/Logos for jobs so i know how much work it is to rebuild something like this. Altough i saw the differences in the fonts pretty fast it is really scary how much effort they put into faking these cards... But as always criminals dont know limits... You handled the situation really good and i hope you get refunded somehow!
Best greetings from germany and i love your streams!
I remember when fakes were just ridiculously shiny holos for all cards, and were also stickers.
OMG! My friend had those
though they were fake my 10 year old ass was still excited about those fake 50 cent machine pokémon card stickers 😂
Ayyyye i member the stickers 🤣
Is there any real sticker ones?
@@CutieRingoJoy 🤣😂 sad
51:33 - the face of a broken man 😭
You even rip one of your cards to test if they where fake, dude, you are great. I’m sorry for what happened. Keep the good work.
"How...did they do this?"
This was by far the most interesting pokemon video I've ever seen.
So sorry rev! We all looked forward to it especially me as neo genesis is my all time favorite set and finally managed to grab a pack.
But: No one is blaming you and I think we should use this opportunity to educate each other on how do detect fake boxes. You are doing an amazing job and we appreciate you. We’ll figure this out!! 👽
exactly!
well said
Indeed!!
the only opportunity worthy i see here is the scammers learn to fo better
This guy was trying to talk himself into believing they’re real so bad he knew deep down they where fake just didn’t wanna come to terms with it
Exactly what i was thinking.
It’s such an awful feeling when something bad happens to you ..
Right he kept saying I cant tell. Guy 1, they were in the same order, then that typhlosion was clear as day a fake.
Yup... he was in denial. The colors and graphics were seriously off and the typeset differences were a dead giveaway. Buy yourself a 10X loupe. It will give even more clarity to the fakeness.
I'm so dead lmaooooo
"This could be a factory issue" *Mans huffing the largest cannister of copium known to mankind*
Shame on that person for doing that. People like that make me so sick.
Working at a print shop for 7 years taught me that when you scan an object and then print it digitally, it thickens all the lines and makes them bolder.. they are all in the same order bc they were printed off and stacked before cutting...
I think you're right. The fake one looks a tad bit bigger/bolder in certain areas.
100% correct look at the set symbol the lines on the stars are way to thick.
But the plus sign was way smaller
@@applemusic5568 also just in a different spot
This video was my first time in the pokecave after it appeared in my recommended. The way you handled this situation said a lot about your character which got me interested in your other videos and ultimately led to me becoming a member and participating in your live openings. Keep killin it Rev and I can't wait to see what's gonna go down in the cave in 2021.
The ultimate double edge sword….ripping a holo to see if it is real or not. If it is real you loose the holo, if it is fake you now know it’s fake.
Honestly, the open packs would have been a no go for me. I wouldnt have even continued . I’d be out lookin to kick somebody’s ass and getting my
Money back. People just be so damn shady.
People are getting better and better at faking cards that soon the cards won’t even look fake anymore lol
its like with shoe replicas, over time they have gotten so good that if the replica is gonna be indistinguishable, or almost indistinguishable from the og, the price is still gonna be really high
@@eliaskristmansson3063 I have been there
ehm not true. These fakes are terrible
Gonna need a microscope soon enough lol
Yeah. It’s getting good. To the point where people are going to be so afraid of even buying the real ones. Eventually people just stop buying. this can mean, that market is going to crash? I’m hoping. So now I can afford it. All joke asides, though. I feel bad for him. Hope you get this resolved. Lol
Wooow!!! The amount of detail and work to go into producing these high quality fakes!! I really hope everyone involved in these scams gets caught.
I felt so bad watching this. Props to him for keeping going and not flipping out, he’s earned a sub from me.
Ive bought a few packs in the last 4 years and this is the first year i got a fake vintage pack, its getting scary how real it looks too.
Hopefully psa can tell the difference
@@pokedez748 that part.
That's so messed up. ☠️ Damn scamers
The trouble is the fakers will invest more money into making heathers cards look just as good if not better than the originals.
I remember seeing a program years ago where this dude made a load of copy pottery or some shit and even the art experts couldn’t tell what was fake or real.
Same thing will happen with Pokemon, probably has already been happening for years
That must feel like Brrchacha all the way, we like to see your umbeufo ❤️
So sorry this happened, but don't worry to much about it. No one's gonna blame you for it. Much love from Germany 💕
What happen
@@adityanosora fake box
was geht
He looks like he knew they were fake imagine spending 10k on fake pokemon cards 😂who's selling a 1sr edition empty booster box
@@savagelk9486 a lot of people are selling empty boxes. And he was suspicious as soon as he opened it
Watched this video for the first time and just blown away by how awesome you handled this situation! Admirable for sure!
I like how he’s just shaking and stalling the whole time hoping it isn’t true
Might aswell get some stream time out of it I guess 😂
Its to get longer retention time for more $$$
He's the scammer
Dude for real lol Jesus christ I was getting irritated at how many times he repeated himself
@@jakobupton3615 He paid quite a bit for them
Expose the dealer so other people dont get ripped off
That's all well and good to say that but they could have also been scammed which is an unfortunate reallity.
@@francesottewill2538 no... "they" weren't... and its this dude's RESPONSIBILITY to out the seller...
@@guywilliams6569 the problem with pokemon boxes like this one is that they often get bought and sold alot before they're opened which makes it hard to work out who opened it and resealed it.
@@guywilliams6569 I’ll second what James said. These boxes are pretty old and you never know at what point the box was resealed when it has changed hands a number of times. Especially with this one being clear-wrapped, the last seller (and potentially more than one previous seller before them) could’ve bought this box thinking it was 100% sealed and legitimate. He says in the video that he is going to get into contact with the seller after filming this, hopefully they figure out where it came from
You should out the seller to protect the community
@@martymcfly8494 who do you think you’re calling a loser 😡, if you had bothered to read my comment you would see that it says “to protect the community” if the sellers is unaware hes selling resealed products then outing him will warn people off buying from him, so maybe think before you throw insults around! 🤡
@@pokemark7139 so you want a potential innocent party to be harassed etc “to protect the community”?
If the seller was also unaware it was a fake because they had bought it from another seller(OG Scammer) stored it and thought it was all good then now sell it to this guy. Both parties innocent and yet you’d harass this seller without knowing they are the scammer.
You’re the fucking clown 🤡 not Marty.
@@pokemark7139 you sound like a loser. u r the clown 🤡
@@chuchotheace3126 what is this a circus?
@@thegrandtheftrobber2280 I guess so
The fact that every deck almost had the exact same cards was my biggest red flag
Where did you see a deck at?
@@roymustang87 I meant pack
Damn, my heart broke for you, it was obvious from five minutes in the video and I know you thought so yourself you just didn’t want it to be true. Handled like a professional, much respect for staying professional. 👊🏼
How you held your nerve through all that and didn't swear once is astonishing. I admire your expertise and passion so much, this was so gutting to watch. On to the next one tho, we move.
you can litteraly see how his hands are shaking
Here is the type of future I see for pokemon cards to keep having success:
> When fake Pokemon cards will be too easy to produce, all ungraded cards will have to be checked not only for grade but also for fakeness with a machine/precise ai camera.
>Because of ai cameras, grading cards will be faster than ever and all fake cards, etc. will be recycled.
> I expect very cheap thin credit card type chips in every single card, psa case, pack art, box, etc. The item will be scanned to check it has been created by Pokemon.
damn, that's a lot of money to research and deliver that. But even pokemon company themselves have errors like misprints, error, miscut, etc so idk.
Hey just sent out two Japanese arcanines to be graded one glossy one non, I will let you know when they return. Similar issues. I Belive quality was just awful tbh.
Yeah maybe the new Cards can get these chips or codes but the majority of the market are older Cards and thats the big problem.
The text just below the typhlosion was literally falling out of its bubble 😂
22:09 is when the truth starts really becoming obvious to casual viewers like myself.
The truth got obvious once you saw the opened packs.
@@atoxee6867 100%
96o7 loop
Everyones paying big bucks for old pokemon cards so all the fakes are coming out
It's bound to happen people will fake anything
Thats what killed it when Pokémon first came out. Tons of fakes hit the market.
Meanwhile people liking new Digimon cards. But is that box truly sell for ＄10000？？
Its supply and demand.
How many boxes do people think actually still out there sealed ?
It hurts to see, especially because this isn’t from one guy sitting in a room faking one card. It’s most likely a bigger „company“ printing tons of those cards. Who knows how many people bought the exact same fake box.
For sure several countries don’t recognize trademark laws so they get away with shit like this.
@@seaeff6428 or eBay...
They do nothing against Fake cards!
Proxy Charizards sell for 300$ right now!! Its a shame ;__;
Oh my goodness I feel so bad... They are so hard to tell the real from the fake.These are the most realistic fakes I've ever seen.
That's exactly why so many people buy from you and trust you, because you are the perfect middleman we trust in
Why didn’t he rip a real Holo Japanese that’s the only way your going find out it’s real, now i’m concerned if my PSA Holo are even fake or real now, Japanese cards are hard to tell, Japan has good ways to make fakes, cause the English ones are easily noticeable if there fake
@@ricardosantiago9888 So you are suggesting to rip all the japanese holo cards he was collecting for years just to verify 100%if they are real? Nice plan. Might as well just throw your cards in the trash immediately.
Am I the only one who finds a gigantic label on the bottom "FOR SALE IN JAPAN" only written in English odd?
Good point
Like isnt there supposed to be an official Seal or something on the bottom? And doesn't the plastic wrap have a pokemon water mark on it too? Or was that later gen cards?
@@ScruffyNerf_Herder these older booster boxes were officially made by Wizards Of The Coast which is one of the best companies in the old days to find cards of any genre
Anyways their shrink wraps ALWAYS contain their logo on it
Real ones say that too if I'm not mistaken
And correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the bottom of that box say there’s 300 cards? I know I don’t know a lot about openings but there’s 10 cards per pack X 60 packs = 600 cards right?
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THESE SCAMS
It’s getting bad now since the market is so high and just think with a lot of new comers they have no clue how to tell the difference.
Markets on fire man so of course scammers are gonna capitalize
Right now with Pokemon are going high in the market, these things going happen to new people. New people to Pokemon can't tell the difference fake or the original cards.
@@edicemalovic3878 yep scammers making bank with proxies and resealing
@@YOUNGINflyy I agree with you, things going on Pokemon going high in market. Scammers are going resealed booster box, and put the fake cards in there.
Yo the dedication to ur craft is awesome the fact ur ripping a real card even just one is respectable bro I appreciate ur realness I love this hobby n it sucks ppl do this
So sad. But the fact that this man rips his own cards to see whats up. Great man
When did he rip the real cards
@@tosiek444 32:55 he goes to get his own card. Then rips one.
@@milotheham9678 thanks!
@Garrett Dixon Yeah its nothing, but ripping a legit pokemon card always hurt a little bit
It was just a Wooper, no one likes Wooper. Even in the games, Woofer isn't used. Maybe in Scarlet and Violet with a new form, he will be popular.
"They couldn't even have faked a Lugia for us at least?" 🤣😅🤣 You had me dead man. We outta find out who these bum darts are and tie some socks around there nuts with rocks and watch them sink in a Chinese river somewhere.
i agree
So descriptive and i like it
Lol 😂 this comment almost made me cry
Dude said tie some socks 🧦 with rocks 🪨 in them around there nuts 🥜 lol
That would give us too much value. Can't have that
Do you need help?
At 51.32 is where you hear a grown man's heart brake. The look on his face said it all...
LOL
Brake
Lmao his face when he rips the holo. 🤣
Take a shot every time he pulls an oddish
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
60 shots later ... 💀💀
This one was tough to watch but I respect how you handled this and how you proceeded with treating it like normal until you were sure. Bless up Rev, better times to come
Everything about the cards are off. The biggest indication for me was the energy symbols were so off and bold and big.
51:55 none of this is funny, but I had a little laugh to myself how that synced perfectly with the music fading, like the party just died 😭
The packs having all the same cards in them was like being stuck in the twilight zone, i picked it up on pack 3 and was wondering when he would notice
Wishful thinking :-/
I picked it up on the second pack. Cards are more random
I picked it up before he opened the box
I picked it up when I read the title of the vid
REV. I AM SCARED!
I dont know how they faked that so good. And the fact that they knew none had the guts to RIP a holo. This is not okay! We will do something about this😔
This wasnt faked recently. Probably mass produced fakes around the time this set was released in japan.
Lol, he keeps saying "I dont know" after like 10 packs with the same order.
😂😂😂😂 fr
I think it was more in disbelief and shock lol
It's for views lol
I don't know much about Pokemon cards but I enjoy collecting magic, especially sealed. Heart breaking man... I recently had two kamigawa boxes that were 100% resealed but thankfully I video taped myself opening the package from start to finish and it was so obvious even a frame from the video would show a person who's opened more than a couple magic packs it was resealed. It's tough man
I love how the two packs slumped down like "oh no... he just doesn't accept it"...
15:58
When he turned them bother over and totally ignored the state of that aipom 🤣
Really though, that was the great value aipom 😂
I don’t get why they still don’t do the Pokémon branded wrap for Japanese boosters & all ETB’s. It would prevent so much heartache & financial loss..
What is that? Isn’t that an easy fake?
I hope this was all resolved, just recently got back into collecting thanks to you. Thank you for your content , your energy, your humility. I appreciate you
So sorry this happened to you man, hope you can get refunded yourself