Word!! But I must say though… being that I was one of those in the beginning, a bit uncertain about Bella playing Ellie… she kinda carrying the show hey! I’m mind blown
Jeez the "the game did it better because it had battle sequences, or had this scene involve more action" speech is getting so exhausting. It's gameplay. It's needed in the game. The series will do it when it's truly impactful and makes sense for the story. Having infected wandering around in this scenario takes your attention away from the plot. This is not the Walking Dead, in which every episode has the "they're talking and a random zombie appears because people want that" scene. It would make it expected and eventually tiring. This episode was freakin amazing, and it perfectly adapted this section of the game. Also they explained why they did it the scene with Joel outside the building in the podcast and it makes perfect sense. The building was on fire and David had the key. The emotional impact of Joel hugging her and saying "It's okay, baby girl, I got you" is still huge.
Yeah, agreed!! I don’t see that change as major at all, it still had the same impact for me and I loved that that whole scene inside the restaurant was all Ellie, getting business done.I thought Blake was going to be mad they had no infected to fight off in the woods, if anything. Lol
They talked about the change in the podcast. It was logistics of the burning building but also, they wanted to stress the point that Ellie could save herself physically. When Joel embraces her he’s saving her emotionally essentially.
What’s the name of this podcast? I’ll give it a listen, but I doubt there’s anything they can say to change my mind. Joel doesn’t save her physically in the game but the scene is still done the same. So saying they wanted to stress it is kind of silly when she just slaughtered a full grown man on her own anyway - Blake
@@RaggedyPack no but let’s be for real, realistically Ellie would’ve probably chopped Joel’s face while in that feral-like state had he hugged her! also how the hell was he supposed to get in the stakehouse if david had the keys and all the doors were locked? Im not asking you to change your mind obviously but to try and open it a little so you don’t feel that disappointed with something you’re passionate about
They explain the change in the ending in the episode podcast. Basically, it's a logistic difference - because they were locked in the building and there was no way for Joel to get inside, plus they wanted to give Ellie full agency.
Yeah exactly. The tv show uses more real world logic than the game. In the game they were locked in but then Joel magically appears inside. Sure one could argue he could bust a door down. But he’s also 3/4 away of becoming “venison”. But also according to real world logic, for safety reasons, the emergency handle would open the door regardless being locked. And that’s exactly what we see Bella using to open the door 😂
I tried to think of any way to go around that, but even if Joel shot the door lock with his gun, the scene wouldn't happen anyway: 1. The main door could've been burning 2. The sound of the gunshot would startle Ellie and who knows what Ellie might do, she might go hide and tried to attack Joel. Tbh, I'm only a bit bummed that the show didn't make Joel whispered something to Ellie to calm her down like he did in the game, it's something I feel very personal to be able to comfort Ellie.
Non-gamer so I may be biased towards the show, but to me, Ellie pulling herself back after she killed David is so much more impactful. She fully saves herself and brings herself back from the edge. She also does the “he tried to” moment from the game before she stops and just hugs Joel. You’re not the first person to complain about this so I went back and watched the clip from the game, that moment didn’t have the same impact as the show for me at all. Especially David, he is so much more sinister in the show. In the game it looks like he’s strangling Ellie before she gets to the cleaver. In the show, he has that line about the struggle being his favourite part and, I could be wrong, but it looked like the reason her hand is free to grab the cleaver is because he lets go to unbuckle his pants. In every way the show did that scene better.
It has been explained several times. It's not only logistical but symbolical. Ellie leaving the fired place by her own feet after killing David shows that Ellie is capable to survive by her own and fight for her life without Joel because in the game Joel kind of "rescues" her. So I'm glad they changed that part for the good. In the show at the end of the day Joel saved her emotionally not physically. And please guys just disconnect the brain from time to time or otherwise you won't enjoy the show AS A SERIE. I love the game. It's one of my favorite ones ever but don't try to overanalyze it. I've seen other reactions from other channels since the first episode and it's pretty evident when they ignore the aspects of the game and disconnect their brains in order to enjoy the show although they're fans of the game to death. This program is perfect for what it is supposed to be: a serie
Thank you! I’ve seen some gamers call it one of the worst episodes, some say the worst, because of the small changes because ‘ohemgee the symbolism is lost’ like. No it isn’t. It’s just a bit different. Watch as an adaptation, not a copy/paste. Adaptations take liberties, leave it be.
James was really adamant about killing Ellie before they brought her back, but he didn’t seem very violent or malicious… which makes me think that maybe he was trying to have her go the easier way versus being with David and/or the human butcher shop
She wasn't trying to make her voice deeper; Bella has talked about this. These outdoor scenes were shot during February in Alberta, Canada. They day the scene with her confronting David and James was shot the temperature was seventeen below zero. Bella said her larynx was starting to freeze and that she was having trouble saying her lines, hence the way her voice sounded. She was also dealing with an idea that Craig Mazin had. Instead of the foam prop gun she was given a real hunting rifle that was almost bigger than her and weighed a ton. They did it so she would have to struggle to keep covering David and James like a real-life Ellie would. Craig took a special delight in describing how she was feeling the effects of take after take doing this the next day in her biceps and pecs.
Unfortunately, I think comments like this are far more annoying as it seems as if you're being irked by people who have too strong of an affinity (in your opinion) for the game (as opposed to the show) when it's quite clear you have a similar level of affinity for the show (as opposed to the game). Not sure why one is justified, and one isn't, and I'm not sure why someone preferring a different version of something would be "annoying" unless you're genuinely upset when others don't share your opinion, or at the very least, don't share your opinion for what you would consider a good enough reason. Interesting psychology there.
Yeah nah, I respect your opinion and get that it's your favorite part of the game, but I like how they did it in the show better - it shows just how far Ellie is able to go, and it still has the emotional impact with Joel.
I disagree. It was important for Ellie's character development for her to save herself. We needed to know what she has learned from her Fedra training and from her time with Joel. Both taught her how to survive - and she did. Joel's character development is complete - he will survive and he is a man who will kill for family and anyone he loves. Ellie is now his "baby girl". That "cult" f'd around and found out even death was not going to stop him.
I’m so curious why Blake thinks that having Joel come stop Ellie from continue to cut David is their defining moment when they accept one another. To me that happened back in episode 6, or back at the dam in the game, when they chose to continue on this journey together and Ellie didn’t go on with tommy. That’s when Ellie and Joel became surrogate father and daughter. To me, Joel coming in to stop Ellie is just another example of him saving her, and it’s not needed. It’s him saying “it’s ok Ellie, I’m here, you can stop, I’ve got you”. In the show, Ellie is so much stronger because she destroys David and then gets herself out. As a woman viewer, my god that moment is powerful. Joel came to save her, we all expected Joel to be the one to save her, and she walks out having done it herself. She’s formidable in that moment.
Yeah, to me that moment at the dam was just them continuing on. Ellie still saves herself and proves she is strong in the moment in the game. Joel just is right there to bring her back. The moment in the game is a shared moment. Where Joel realizes he has a daughter and Ellie realizes she has a father. That moment does not happen at the dam bc they never embrace or even talk about it other than by lashing out at each other. Like I said, the shows version still works just fine. But to me, that moment in the game was perfect and should not have been changed. - Blake
@@RaggedyPack I haven’t played the game, just watched game play on TH-cam, but to me that moment of acceptance happened in the show at episode 6 when they are leaving Jackson. During the official podcast they talk about Joel’s smile when he hits the target while training Ellie and how’s that one of those “dad magic” moments. How Ellie looks up to Joel the way young kids look up to their dads thinking they are superheroes and can do anything. Then later his smile when he says everyone loved contractors and Ellie leans her head on his back. Their body language establishes that they are father and daughter. And that’s the happiest they’ll ever be together. So I like that in the show they gave Ellie the agency to pull herself back, not to rely on Joel to save her from her anger and trauma in that moment. The game version didn’t do it for me at all, but maybe people are just biased towards the first version they’ve seen.
Yeah, again none of those moments to me have the impact that the one we’re talking about does. And I completely recognize that I’m going to be in the minority here. Great episode. Still very impactful. I just prefer the games version - Blake
I preferred the show's version of how they dealt with Ellie's scene. by a lot. To me, it wouldn't have worked logistically if the story is that all the doors are locked, and Joel can't move and jump over windows because of his condition. But metaphorically, it demonstrates that while she needed Joel to protect her at the beginning of the story, the dynamic has changed as well as what she needed from Joel. She needed the emotional support more than the physical support.
I think the scene where Ellie first meets David is so well directed and performed! You can see that Ellie is scared and acting/thinking on her feet(the way she responded that she's from a larger group also). You can also see that her rifle feels heavy to her, she's weak, tired and cold and struggling to even hold her rifle up. But she still goes for it knowing she might not get another chance at food. I, at least, can feel and see the desperation and a lot of nuance in Bellas performance.
It’s vastly superior having Joel meet her outside. The events inside are not about him. its not about their relationship. Everything that happens until she exits the building is only about her, her fear, her trial, her loss and her survival on her own. I’s the crux of her character arc this season. having him come in hurts that. It’s much more powerful and impactful on both characters having it happen the way it does in the show. It forces her into self reliance, fighting for the agency shes wanted the whole season, and it forces Joel out of being her physical protector and into providing an emotional refuge. He doesn’t know what just happened, she may never tell him. All he knows is that she needs him in a way that requires he finally drop the last of the walls hes had up.
I feel like that still pretty much happens in the game as well. Joel wasn't there to stop the man and be her protector her. She had to get the job done on her own. Even though Joel walks in on her killing him, he still doesn't know the whole story and how sick that guy was. The importance is still there, just done slightly differently
Having her not be stopped by Joel show cases how far she is going to go next season. There will be times joel will not be around to stop her and that is important. Also because they showed a stronger SA with David, having a man stop her from stopping her vengeance against that type of evil would have been a little much.
Exactly! Somebody else said it here but it would’ve been a little too sick…? In a way, knowing that Joel saw her almost getting r4ped and then stopping her would’ve been out of character even
If you're constantly going into the series with the expectation of it being almost a one-for-one copy of the game, then you will be sadly disappointed. One of the things Craig Mazin told Neil Druckmann when they went into discussions on the adaptation was just that word: ADAPTATION. It's not supposed to be a direct copy of the game and Druckmann understood and signed off on it. Use certain scenes that are iconic such as the confrontation in Ellie's bedroom between Joel and Ellie about Tommy taking her to Colorado, or Sarah's death, but stop thinking this is the game. It's not. It's for that reason I won't be playing the game. The reason I've seen for most viewers of the series who have played the game have for hating on the series is just that reason. It's not the game. It's not supposed to be. It's its own entity and again Neil Druckmann knew this going in and trusted Craig Mazin to do right by the spirit of the material, not the gospel. These are fleshed out beings, not avatars for YOU the gameplayer.
joel being there for ellie’s assault is a level of sickness i don’t think the tv show needed. this version gave her more agency whilst keeping v close to the traumatic storyline. i’m sure that scene was incredibly taxing on the actors involved, esp bella, and i think this was probably the best way to do it from an intimacy coordinators viewpoint (eg. less people on set)
i feel bad for the people that cant differentiate the game and the show. i have no problem understanding they are two diffrent things and can enjoy both. i will always love the game more but id hate to watch the show constantly thinking of things that are missing from the game and looking for things to nit pick
I Really Don't Get Why People Are Mad At This Episode Or Disappointed, Like You're Not Gonna Have Every Detail From The Game To Be In A TV Show, I Get It But The Creator/Producers Of This This Show Are Not Gonna Make Every Fan Of The Game Satisfied/Happy When They Watch This TV Series, At Some Point You Have To Know Changes They Made At The Beginning Of Episode 1, Sometimes A Lil Change Is Good & To Just Keep It Movin, We Got Alot Of Action In This Episode & People Are Still Not Happy. I Really Enjoyed This Episode Alot It Was So Much Fun Seeing Joel In Action & Seeing Ellie Continue To Be A Lil Psychopath Holding People At Rifle Point & Her Getting Her Kill In At The End, I Like How Everything Is Fresh To Me Even Tho I Haven't Played The Game, Which I Don't Need To & If I Did I Would Still Enjoy This Amazing Show & How Everything Is Just Fresh But On A Different Take On Everything & Try Not To Take Anything For Granted, I Just Don't Wanna Be Those People Who Complain About Something 🤷 They Definitely Did This Show That People Are Gonna Watch That's Unexpected From The Game But Still Is The Game, They Have To Do What They Believe Is Right & Best For Them & The Show & I Do Believe People Should Try Separate, You're Watching A TV Show, You're Not Playing A Video Game
I played the game.... inside or outside doesn't really matter... kinda a wierd thing to get upset over. Ellie wandering out in a daze and accepting each other is the same thing.
I've played the game multiple times and I love the change they made because it makes sense for the show. They explain it in the HBO podcast, I recommend a listen.
Blake, how did you play the game 5 times if you had to avert your eyes every time an infected appeared, or does your fear only come up for live action, not in the game? I'm genuinely curious.
Never played the game but hearing you explain the difference between the two I like the way the show did it better. But maybe if I played the game it would have hit differently
Idk why blake is so passionately against ellie finishing off david herself and going outside where joel finds her….the point is they want to show her becoming a leader, not needing joel to intervene. I think you’re overhyping the change.
Btw, they didnt need that for joel’s character development. He is much more developed throughout the show. Like in the Kin episode; so much emotion there. Didnt need that 5 second change in show, like they probably needed it in the game.
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Gonna have to disagree with Blake again. There is the burning building part like Corey mentioned, but I think I much prefer the version of the scene in the show. Joel stopping Ellie does seem like a Joel thing to do, and it is powerful, but there's something more powerful about him not being able to stop her from going that far and having to comfort her after the fact. It also somewhat sets up just how far she'll go for when they adapt Part 2.
I'm a little bit bummed out that they didn't make Joel whispered something to Ellie to calm her down like in the game...there is something about that that feels very personal, like a promise or something.
I get it but she would’ve probably chopped his face off, she was way more feral in that moment that game Ellie and she even took more time to calm down when she saw Joel, in the game Ellie says don’t touch me and then stops once she sees Joel, in the show version she fights way more and a little longer, it would’ve been very dangerous for Joel to get close to her in that moment even if it was to try and calm her down. There’s also the fact that he couldn’t get inside cause everything was locked and david had the keys! I honestly understand the people who don’t like the change but there’s people saying that it doesn’t make sense and that’s just not true (Blake in this video 😭).
I appreciate blake not ruining things for the guy who didnt play game. Just laughed and covered his mouth. I went into it blind too, and I didnt get the cannibalism til the ear lolz.
What Blake complains about here is just stupid and also an error in the game that was fixed in the series. He hangs up here on the fact that Ellie was able to save herself from the building and not Joel interrupted her while chopping up David. The mistake in the game was explicitly that Joel simply enters a burning building locked by David. How did he get in if David has the keys? I thought it was great what was done here. How long it took for Ellie to finally stop stabbing David on her own. That showed how far away she was in her trauma.
37:12 I feel you, nothing can beat the game in my opinion, but for those who didn’t play the game they will never notice so what the difference? We still have the game as a fans
It is extremely refreshing to see Blake having different opinions adjacent to the norm yet appreciating the art of the show. I may not agree with all of his opinions on certain scenes and tones chosen by the show but to hear a differing opinion compared to the thousands out there is why I desperately searched for these reactions again.
@@rickbruner5525 says the person who could just scroll by the comment, yet here we are. Whining. if you can't handle opinions why are you watching reaction videos
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Word!! But I must say though… being that I was one of those in the beginning, a bit uncertain about Bella playing Ellie… she kinda carrying the show hey! I’m mind blown
This show introduced me to pedro and im grateful….he’s my fave person now
Jeez the "the game did it better because it had battle sequences, or had this scene involve more action" speech is getting so exhausting. It's gameplay. It's needed in the game. The series will do it when it's truly impactful and makes sense for the story. Having infected wandering around in this scenario takes your attention away from the plot. This is not the Walking Dead, in which every episode has the "they're talking and a random zombie appears because people want that" scene. It would make it expected and eventually tiring.
This episode was freakin amazing, and it perfectly adapted this section of the game.
Also they explained why they did it the scene with Joel outside the building in the podcast and it makes perfect sense. The building was on fire and David had the key. The emotional impact of Joel hugging her and saying "It's okay, baby girl, I got you" is still huge.
i agree 👍🏼
Yeah, agreed!! I don’t see that change as major at all, it still had the same impact for me and I loved that that whole scene inside the restaurant was all Ellie, getting business done.I thought Blake was going to be mad they had no infected to fight off in the woods, if anything. Lol
They talked about the change in the podcast. It was logistics of the burning building but also, they wanted to stress the point that Ellie could save herself physically. When Joel embraces her he’s saving her emotionally essentially.
What’s the name of this podcast? I’ll give it a listen, but I doubt there’s anything they can say to change my mind. Joel doesn’t save her physically in the game but the scene is still done the same. So saying they wanted to stress it is kind of silly when she just slaughtered a full grown man on her own anyway - Blake
@@RaggedyPack no but let’s be for real, realistically Ellie would’ve probably chopped Joel’s face while in that feral-like state had he hugged her! also how the hell was he supposed to get in the stakehouse if david had the keys and all the doors were locked? Im not asking you to change your mind obviously but to try and open it a little so you don’t feel that disappointed with something you’re passionate about
They explain the change in the ending in the episode podcast. Basically, it's a logistic difference - because they were locked in the building and there was no way for Joel to get inside, plus they wanted to give Ellie full agency.
Thanks, I'll show Blake this comment -Corey
Even having played the game the change at the end didn’t bother me. I still felt the emotional impact
Yeah exactly. The tv show uses more real world logic than the game. In the game they were locked in but then Joel magically appears inside. Sure one could argue he could bust a door down. But he’s also 3/4 away of becoming “venison”.
But also according to real world logic, for safety reasons, the emergency handle would open the door regardless being locked. And that’s exactly what we see Bella using to open the door 😂
I tried to think of any way to go around that, but even if Joel shot the door lock with his gun, the scene wouldn't happen anyway:
1. The main door could've been burning
2. The sound of the gunshot would startle Ellie and who knows what Ellie might do, she might go hide and tried to attack Joel.
Tbh, I'm only a bit bummed that the show didn't make Joel whispered something to Ellie to calm her down like he did in the game, it's something I feel very personal to be able to comfort Ellie.
@@TARS20 in my mind he was whispering to her as they walked away in the last scene
I didn’t mind Joel hugging Ellie outside instead of inside, still had the same effect on me.
Non-gamer so I may be biased towards the show, but to me, Ellie pulling herself back after she killed David is so much more impactful. She fully saves herself and brings herself back from the edge. She also does the “he tried to” moment from the game before she stops and just hugs Joel.
You’re not the first person to complain about this so I went back and watched the clip from the game, that moment didn’t have the same impact as the show for me at all. Especially David, he is so much more sinister in the show. In the game it looks like he’s strangling Ellie before she gets to the cleaver. In the show, he has that line about the struggle being his favourite part and, I could be wrong, but it looked like the reason her hand is free to grab the cleaver is because he lets go to unbuckle his pants. In every way the show did that scene better.
It has been explained several times. It's not only logistical but symbolical. Ellie leaving the fired place by her own feet after killing David shows that Ellie is capable to survive by her own and fight for her life without Joel because in the game Joel kind of "rescues" her.
So I'm glad they changed that part for the good. In the show at the end of the day Joel saved her emotionally not physically.
And please guys just disconnect the brain from time to time or otherwise you won't enjoy the show AS A SERIE. I love the game. It's one of my favorite ones ever but don't try to overanalyze it. I've seen other reactions from other channels since the first episode and it's pretty evident when they ignore the aspects of the game and disconnect their brains in order to enjoy the show although they're fans of the game to death.
This program is perfect for what it is supposed to be: a serie
Thank you! I’ve seen some gamers call it one of the worst episodes, some say the worst, because of the small changes because ‘ohemgee the symbolism is lost’ like. No it isn’t. It’s just a bit different. Watch as an adaptation, not a copy/paste. Adaptations take liberties, leave it be.
James was really adamant about killing Ellie before they brought her back, but he didn’t seem very violent or malicious… which makes me think that maybe he was trying to have her go the easier way versus being with David and/or the human butcher shop
She wasn't trying to make her voice deeper; Bella has talked about this. These outdoor scenes were shot during February in Alberta, Canada. They day the scene with her confronting David and James was shot the temperature was seventeen below zero. Bella said her larynx was starting to freeze and that she was having trouble saying her lines, hence the way her voice sounded. She was also dealing with an idea that Craig Mazin had. Instead of the foam prop gun she was given a real hunting rifle that was almost bigger than her and weighed a ton. They did it so she would have to struggle to keep covering David and James like a real-life Ellie would. Craig took a special delight in describing how she was feeling the effects of take after take doing this the next day in her biceps and pecs.
Well it did sound like it tho and it works, so I’m just gonna keep believing she did it on purpose lmao.
ah yes, this is when gamers (or book readers depending on what you're adapting) start getting annoying. to me the show did it it superbly.
Agreed.
Unfortunately, I think comments like this are far more annoying as it seems as if you're being irked by people who have too strong of an affinity (in your opinion) for the game (as opposed to the show) when it's quite clear you have a similar level of affinity for the show (as opposed to the game). Not sure why one is justified, and one isn't, and I'm not sure why someone preferring a different version of something would be "annoying" unless you're genuinely upset when others don't share your opinion, or at the very least, don't share your opinion for what you would consider a good enough reason. Interesting psychology there.
Yeah nah, I respect your opinion and get that it's your favorite part of the game, but I like how they did it in the show better - it shows just how far Ellie is able to go, and it still has the emotional impact with Joel.
I respect the agree to disagree - Blake
@@RaggedyPack totally fair 👍🏼
They managed to make David from the series even more disgusting
The acting man... All the awards really. For everyone. Plus for behind the scenes people too. This show man...
I disagree. It was important for Ellie's character development for her to save herself. We needed to know what she has learned from her Fedra training and from her time with Joel. Both taught her how to survive - and she did. Joel's character development is complete - he will survive and he is a man who will kill for family and anyone he loves. Ellie is now his "baby girl". That "cult" f'd around and found out even death was not going to stop him.
I’m so curious why Blake thinks that having Joel come stop Ellie from continue to cut David is their defining moment when they accept one another. To me that happened back in episode 6, or back at the dam in the game, when they chose to continue on this journey together and Ellie didn’t go on with tommy. That’s when Ellie and Joel became surrogate father and daughter.
To me, Joel coming in to stop Ellie is just another example of him saving her, and it’s not needed. It’s him saying “it’s ok Ellie, I’m here, you can stop, I’ve got you”. In the show, Ellie is so much stronger because she destroys David and then gets herself out. As a woman viewer, my god that moment is powerful. Joel came to save her, we all expected Joel to be the one to save her, and she walks out having done it herself. She’s formidable in that moment.
Yeah, to me that moment at the dam was just them continuing on. Ellie still saves herself and proves she is strong in the moment in the game. Joel just is right there to bring her back. The moment in the game is a shared moment. Where Joel realizes he has a daughter and Ellie realizes she has a father. That moment does not happen at the dam bc they never embrace or even talk about it other than by lashing out at each other.
Like I said, the shows version still works just fine. But to me, that moment in the game was perfect and should not have been changed. - Blake
@@RaggedyPack I haven’t played the game, just watched game play on TH-cam, but to me that moment of acceptance happened in the show at episode 6 when they are leaving Jackson. During the official podcast they talk about Joel’s smile when he hits the target while training Ellie and how’s that one of those “dad magic” moments. How Ellie looks up to Joel the way young kids look up to their dads thinking they are superheroes and can do anything. Then later his smile when he says everyone loved contractors and Ellie leans her head on his back. Their body language establishes that they are father and daughter. And that’s the happiest they’ll ever be together. So I like that in the show they gave Ellie the agency to pull herself back, not to rely on Joel to save her from her anger and trauma in that moment. The game version didn’t do it for me at all, but maybe people are just biased towards the first version they’ve seen.
Yeah, again none of those moments to me have the impact that the one we’re talking about does. And I completely recognize that I’m going to be in the minority here. Great episode. Still very impactful. I just prefer the games version - Blake
@@crystalpritchard5065 you hit the nail on the head. People identify more with what they see first usually
Agreed!! This version was so much better than the game. Hands down!!!
I preferred the show's version of how they dealt with Ellie's scene. by a lot. To me, it wouldn't have worked logistically if the story is that all the doors are locked, and Joel can't move and jump over windows because of his condition. But metaphorically, it demonstrates that while she needed Joel to protect her at the beginning of the story, the dynamic has changed as well as what she needed from Joel. She needed the emotional support more than the physical support.
The guy in the white is tripping????? I don’t see howth3 game did it better, when it was literally a shot for shot, except the preacher aspect of it.
I think the scene where Ellie first meets David is so well directed and performed!
You can see that Ellie is scared and acting/thinking on her feet(the way she responded that she's from a larger group also). You can also see that her rifle feels heavy to her, she's weak, tired and cold and struggling to even hold her rifle up. But she still goes for it knowing she might not get another chance at food. I, at least, can feel and see the desperation and a lot of nuance in Bellas performance.
It’s vastly superior having Joel meet her outside. The events inside are not about him. its not about their relationship. Everything that happens until she exits the building is only about her, her fear, her trial, her loss and her survival on her own. I’s the crux of her character arc this season. having him come in hurts that. It’s much more powerful and impactful on both characters having it happen the way it does in the show. It forces her into self reliance, fighting for the agency shes wanted the whole season, and it forces Joel out of being her physical protector and into providing an emotional refuge. He doesn’t know what just happened, she may never tell him. All he knows is that she needs him in a way that requires he finally drop the last of the walls hes had up.
I feel like that still pretty much happens in the game as well. Joel wasn't there to stop the man and be her protector her. She had to get the job done on her own. Even though Joel walks in on her killing him, he still doesn't know the whole story and how sick that guy was. The importance is still there, just done slightly differently
God this was INTENSE!
Having her not be stopped by Joel show cases how far she is going to go next season. There will be times joel will not be around to stop her and that is important. Also because they showed a stronger SA with David, having a man stop her from stopping her vengeance against that type of evil would have been a little much.
Exactly! Somebody else said it here but it would’ve been a little too sick…? In a way, knowing that Joel saw her almost getting r4ped and then stopping her would’ve been out of character even
You nailed it! 😌
NOTE: They were still in Colorado. Salt Lake City is where the fireflies are.
There's a terrible blizzard, it makes sense for everyone to be inside instead of freezing to death outside.
If you're constantly going into the series with the expectation of it being almost a one-for-one copy of the game, then you will be sadly disappointed. One of the things Craig Mazin told Neil Druckmann when they went into discussions on the adaptation was just that word: ADAPTATION. It's not supposed to be a direct copy of the game and Druckmann understood and signed off on it. Use certain scenes that are iconic such as the confrontation in Ellie's bedroom between Joel and Ellie about Tommy taking her to Colorado, or Sarah's death, but stop thinking this is the game. It's not. It's for that reason I won't be playing the game. The reason I've seen for most viewers of the series who have played the game have for hating on the series is just that reason. It's not the game. It's not supposed to be. It's its own entity and again Neil Druckmann knew this going in and trusted Craig Mazin to do right by the spirit of the material, not the gospel. These are fleshed out beings, not avatars for YOU the gameplayer.
Venison - Adult Male
Elk - Adult Female
Rabbit - Child
According to a note in the actual game
OMG I forgot about that note!!! Props to you for remembering dude
joel being there for ellie’s assault is a level of sickness i don’t think the tv show needed. this version gave her more agency whilst keeping v close to the traumatic storyline. i’m sure that scene was incredibly taxing on the actors involved, esp bella, and i think this was probably the best way to do it from an intimacy coordinators viewpoint (eg. less people on set)
i feel bad for the people that cant differentiate the game and the show. i have no problem understanding they are two diffrent things and can enjoy both. i will always love the game more but id hate to watch the show constantly thinking of things that are missing from the game and looking for things to nit pick
I Really Don't Get Why People Are Mad At This Episode Or Disappointed, Like You're Not Gonna Have Every Detail From The Game To Be In A TV Show, I Get It But The Creator/Producers Of This This Show Are Not Gonna Make Every Fan Of The Game Satisfied/Happy When They Watch This TV Series, At Some Point You Have To Know Changes They Made At The Beginning Of Episode 1, Sometimes A Lil Change Is Good & To Just Keep It Movin, We Got Alot Of Action In This Episode & People Are Still Not Happy. I Really Enjoyed This Episode Alot It Was So Much Fun Seeing Joel In Action & Seeing Ellie Continue To Be A Lil Psychopath Holding People At Rifle Point & Her Getting Her Kill In At The End, I Like How Everything Is Fresh To Me Even Tho I Haven't Played The Game, Which I Don't Need To & If I Did I Would Still Enjoy This Amazing Show & How Everything Is Just Fresh But On A Different Take On Everything & Try Not To Take Anything For Granted, I Just Don't Wanna Be Those People Who Complain About Something 🤷 They Definitely Did This Show That People Are Gonna Watch That's Unexpected From The Game But Still Is The Game, They Have To Do What They Believe Is Right & Best For Them & The Show & I Do Believe People Should Try Separate, You're Watching A TV Show, You're Not Playing A Video Game
About the disscussion at the end, he had no way into the building short of breaking a window
I played the game.... inside or outside doesn't really matter... kinda a wierd thing to get upset over. Ellie wandering out in a daze and accepting each other is the same thing.
deer antlers click against trees when they scrape. i've seen the nature films..
I've played the game multiple times and I love the change they made because it makes sense for the show. They explain it in the HBO podcast, I recommend a listen.
Blake, how did you play the game 5 times if you had to avert your eyes every time an infected appeared, or does your fear only come up for live action, not in the game? I'm genuinely curious.
Blake, must be fun at parties....lol
I am - Blake
10:26 blake was like... "u have no idea cuh, strap in"
Never played the game but hearing you explain the difference between the two I like the way the show did it better. But maybe if I played the game it would have hit differently
15:10 i don’t know why that was so funny to me😭😭 like you’re a menace AND greedy too?? lmao
Idk why blake is so passionately against ellie finishing off david herself and going outside where joel finds her….the point is they want to show her becoming a leader, not needing joel to intervene. I think you’re overhyping the change.
Btw, they didnt need that for joel’s character development. He is much more developed throughout the show. Like in the Kin episode; so much emotion there. Didnt need that 5 second change in show, like they probably needed it in the game.
How would Joel gotten in if all the doors was locked🤷🏾♂️
I counted maybe 6 guys in the town and he bodies 3 and ellie bodies 2 and everyone else were beaten down women.
(admittedly the wrong time for it)
the 'muted' guffaw stretches out at the 13min 44sec mark
*"* That's not . . . *"* *&* *' '* Those *aren't* pillows!! *' '*
both equally fit this moment of silent laughter
*-* cheers. great discussion
I’m sorry how did no one else knew who Alexander Fleming was? That’s common knowledge guys
LOU absolutely my favorite game of all time, the show did that scene in question far better. And the rest of it was great
Did Igli play the game after this? I want to see.
So good, just give the show all of the awards now, and I have not played the game
Y’all are wrong for this thumbnail of Alec 😂
Gonna have to disagree with Blake again. There is the burning building part like Corey mentioned, but I think I much prefer the version of the scene in the show. Joel stopping Ellie does seem like a Joel thing to do, and it is powerful, but there's something more powerful about him not being able to stop her from going that far and having to comfort her after the fact. It also somewhat sets up just how far she'll go for when they adapt Part 2.
I'm a little bit bummed out that they didn't make Joel whispered something to Ellie to calm her down like in the game...there is something about that that feels very personal, like a promise or something.
I get it but she would’ve probably chopped his face off, she was way more feral in that moment that game Ellie and she even took more time to calm down when she saw Joel, in the game Ellie says don’t touch me and then stops once she sees Joel, in the show version she fights way more and a little longer, it would’ve been very dangerous for Joel to get close to her in that moment even if it was to try and calm her down. There’s also the fact that he couldn’t get inside cause everything was locked and david had the keys! I honestly understand the people who don’t like the change but there’s people saying that it doesn’t make sense and that’s just not true (Blake in this video 😭).
@@kaydollar2490 i know and I understand...what I meant is he could've done it outside too when he found Ellie
All I know is that the Silver Lake survivor group was going to have hamburger on the menu that night. Maybe meatballs? 😋
13:55 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I appreciate blake not ruining things for the guy who didnt play game. Just laughed and covered his mouth. I went into it blind too, and I didnt get the cannibalism til the ear lolz.
I was really enjoying it - Blake
I dont get why ellie didnt stay with joel and just shoot whoever came inside, herself. Didnt need to lead them away.
It is interesting to see your joint reaction to the films Robocop and Robocop 3. This is a cool immortal classic 👍
What Blake complains about here is just stupid and also an error in the game that was fixed in the series. He hangs up here on the fact that Ellie was able to save herself from the building and not Joel interrupted her while chopping up David. The mistake in the game was explicitly that Joel simply enters a burning building locked by David. How did he get in if David has the keys? I thought it was great what was done here. How long it took for Ellie to finally stop stabbing David on her own. That showed how far away she was in her trauma.
Ahhhhhmazing.
37:12 I feel you, nothing can beat the game in my opinion, but for those who didn’t play the game they will never notice so what the difference? We still have the game as a fans
It is extremely refreshing to see Blake having different opinions adjacent to the norm yet appreciating the art of the show. I may not agree with all of his opinions on certain scenes and tones chosen by the show but to hear a differing opinion compared to the thousands out there is why I desperately searched for these reactions again.
GAMERS HAD MORE TIME IN THE 'David' world. Could put more detail in the game. TV prob had limits on what they could put it.
Le mec en Blanc ces un sans cœur ou quoi y réagie a rien.
Stop botching the developers were fine with the change
Blake ur so cool
Thanks trey
oh r u tripping ?
Really glad I didn't play the game before watching the show. These guys are getting annoying with their game vs. book rhetoric. IMO.
Is the little girl David smacked who I think it is!?! Abb- 🤯
No, her name is Hannah
They should've divided this episode into two. Everything happened too fast. We should've been given time to hate David. Also, where are the infected?
Regardless of why they changed it it didn't work out well in comparison. The game was crazy impactful and emotional
Then go play the game and stop bothering us with your constant whining.
@@rickbruner5525 says the person who could just scroll by the comment, yet here we are. Whining.
if you can't handle opinions why are you watching reaction videos