Thank you again, Ms Victoria! Let me offer a different angle here; hahaha. And, please "forgive" me for writing in Eng for my Chines typing skill is inadequate. He’s an idiot in the sense that he thought by saying what he said can bring calm to the ccp rule and he was able to appease the ccp leaders. He ask people to Forgive, but to Forgive Who and for What they did? If no one has been wronged, then no forgiveness necessary. So, that public plea asking for forgiveness in fact implied mr Chow affirmed that the ccp leaders - The Who - ordered and executed a cold blood massacre against un-armed, innocent citizens on june-4, 1989 - The What. But, for all these years, the ccp leaders have been claiming that Nobody was killed on that day - it was a nice and swift sweep to restore peace only. But here, Bishop Chow, in his public statement, addressed to the whole roman catholic body in hk, to ask for forgiveness of the June-4 massacre, had in essence clearly affirmed, without any reasonable doubt, that ccp had committed such an egregious crime(that’s why it need forgiveness). Now, this bishop from the roman catholic church should be arrested immediately for crossing the national security law, Article … aaah … 29 - 引發香港特別行政區居民對中央人民政府或者香港特別行政區政府的憎恨 - by publicly accusing them of committing massacre on June 4, 1989; the plea for forgiveness is just a facade. 哈哈! It's not hard to find so many supporters of this stupid regime being so stupid.
I just read mr Chow’s “public” letter, to his church body. He expressed his feelings, and projected the same onto others, as some sentimental grievance 創傷 of some lost love, like breaking up with his romantic lover, or having been dumped, or some sort of such. But, he knows better, it is more than just 創傷. And, the word “justice” was nowhere to be found in his words. So, first of all, he has some mis-placed feelings, intentional or not, about the whole matter. Only that kind of mis-placed feeling can lead him to such pathetic sentimental cloud of “forgive and forget”. Yet, for those who insist in remembrance of the atrocity on June-4 and not letting the ccp wipe out history and continue their travesty, it is about Truth, Justice and Sanctity of Life! It's Not about your own or anybody's personal sentimental feelings, stupid! For a priest whose mission is to preach truth, justice and righteousness, mercy and love to say what he said in this public letter, but no-justice-no-mercy-no-love towards the slaughtered and their loved ones, IT IS UNFORGIVALBLE!
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我是基督徒，但也被周主教的偷天換日言論嚇一跳。求主親自教導周主教🙏
@kyl3245
仁兄、牠已練成魔鬼了🥶
Like Tang said, the date is not important. As far as they concern, EVERYTHING is SENSITIVE.
Another HAPPY HK story, land of LAWLESSNESS
信錯教就慘過食錯藥好多，😂
你睇吓周守仁噏緊乜就知架喇！
🤣🤣
周守淫:「我係主教你唔係！！我講嘢權威過你哋好多！」🤣🤣
路人甲:「佢又講得好啱噃，主教都冇代表性，邊個至有?😂」
信教係信主！唔係绝對柤信宗教領導人！😅
非常認同馮翁見解，呢D先係真正有營養既見解。唔係保良局講D。
你仲聽保良局?
馮先生說得很有道理一👍👍
對, 我們絕對無權利去寬恕為害他人嘅造孽者👍, 但係我們絕對有義務去共同譴責呢班造孽者💪
講得好，教會藍絲應該聽下。
５.３５真正嘅受害人係全人類！
上帝無條件嘅係為世人犧牲嘅救恩，上帝寬恕條件係人必須認罪悔改。只有白白嘅救恩，沒有白白嘅寬恕！
說得好👍
支持*維多利亞講*，加油。✌️✌️✌️👍👍👍💯💯💯
Thanks!
👋≧◉ᴥ◉≦
多謝維多利亞分享馮生文章，馮生引經據典非常有說服力，請宗教領袖唔好有失身份亂講道理，早前教宗對烏克蘭講扯白旗論更是未能苟同
👍👍👍👍👍
❤❤
支持*維多利亞講*，加油
寬恕，首要條件是有人做錯 ! 都無人承認做錯，又何來要寬恕呢？
是錯永不對，真永遠真。
Like Tang said, the date is not important. As far as they concern, EVERYTHING is SENSITIVE.
Another HAPPY HK story, land of LAWLESSNESS
馮先生講天主既寬恕，比起那些自欺欺人既教牧/神父，更簡單明瞭。
信錯教就慘過食錯藥好多，😂
你睇吓周守仁噏緊乜就知架喇！
🤣🤣
睇過聖經嘅大概都會得出同馮先生一樣嘅理解，點解反而樞機好似冇睇過聖經咁呢？🤔
好多教徒真係吾睇聖經
@@kk-4488愛睇雜思想
他是睇習思想理論的，明未？
肯很定唔關雜思想事，党係偉大光明正確，冇錯誤何需寬恕？🤷🏻♂️
如果可以無差別寬恕，就人人可以上天堂，無需要有地獄，聽唔聽福音真理也不再重要，因為結果都係一樣。
本來就是無差別！
周守人愛党...非常呀!
講得好
說得太太太太好
謝謝分享！😂
對，要求得寬恕一，必先認罪悔改。
這些人最中意替上主說話，他們知道上主到底點捻嗎？如果真能寬恕，那麼地獄的懲罰又是什麼？
連主教都被紅色‘收購’了，做lang又怎會忽然正義？
❤ 唔好忘記週守仁收咗好多人民幣㗎啦
多謝！
(ɔ◔‿◔)ɔ ♥
❤
👍
天主的智慧及聖言透過聖神引導
絕非靠周或者某社會地位人士所「提醒」。
馮翁👍👍
此人根本談不上係什麼主教，牧棍一條罷了。
馮睎乾原來對聖經熟悉, 周守仁樞機應該人在屋簷下, 忘記了天上的國度 !
無條件原諒？那錯誤就會不斷重複！
周樞機應該先去見上帝問清楚證實一下先
見上帝譯經便可？
咁樣講來,我們（天主教徒）就無需辦告解了。Amen!
馮先生，三十多年過去，不少人曾經努力爭取過犧牲過，假如正義無法彰顯，除了寛恕，從傷痛和怨恨中釋放自己，請問受害者家人如何釋懷？火上加油容易，用心去愛惜別人難。閣下加上「無差別」這三個字在「寬恕」前面，難免扭曲了寬恕的意義。
當三十年來兇手不斷咁整你，民眾不但冇為你申張正義，有地位嘅宗教領袖仲叫你阿Q咁給予兇手自己都唔要嘅所謂「寬恕」，果D講得好聽就係「無差别嘅寬恕」。
Like Tang said, the date is not important. As far as they concern, EVERYTHING is SENSITIVE.
Another HAPPY HK story, land of LAWLESSNESS
如果唔出賣自己靈魂而去如實宣揚教義，何來金銀珠寶，綾羅綢緞。一早俾人拉埋，你睇果個幫殺人犯自首果位人兄，上至方濟各都一樣，你點返教會跟呢種人行落去。
陳同佳
唉…
我宣報寬恕四十七人案中所有涉案人，咁佢他會唔會全部釋放?當然唔會，因為我無權咁做。同一道理，我唔可以寬恕六四班殺人兇手。呢個樞機要讀多啲聖經。
Like Tang said, the date is not important. As far as they concern, EVERYTHING is SENSITIVE.
Another HAPPY HK story, land of LAWLESSNESS
真誠認錯係寬恕的最基本先決
林鄭對主蚩之以鼻，天堂已留給她一位置了？
@@poweryip4218 人地都無承認過做錯事，又何需你主動寬恕甚麽呢；你係都話要主動寬恕，咁係咪夾硬話人地做錯野，煽動其他人不滿及仇恨呢 ？！
thx
拜服馮先生高見 ！
周主教所言確有瑕疵,被人打左臉也要給惡人打右臉？被惡人迫害也要寬恕？這是愚不可及縱容惡人繼續行不義之事,令更多人受害.終有一日自己也成為受害者.
要別人寬恕必先反省、懺悔、補贖
在另一角度看，周守仁叫人宽恕，就是他認為這也是一宗罪/錯事，否則何需寬恕？主教表態了，好嘢！佢自己知道否？👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣
六月雪未完
四野苦淒酸
荒塚墳頭損
遺骸屍遍地
銘記數拾年
它們巳成「红色」教主 🤔😤
文革心態，鬥爭到底
多數基督徒，自然的喜歡 寬恕 和平 修和 心態的方法，爭取公義
魔鬼喜歡 我們兄弟姊妹 互不寬恕 仇恨 鬥爭到底
天主自有判斷
我也是基督徒,這肯定不符合基督教的其中一個中心而貫穿新舊約的信息，就是人犯的罪,只有受苦的一方可以完成寛恕,其他人無權，否則上帝就不用基督來受苦代替人所犯而得罪上帝的罪了,而人也必須承認擔當自己所犯的罪。他自己選擇不說明這個道理和信息是一回事，大家有認知,有邏輯分析,或堅信這個千古的道理還是最重要，不要麻木信其他人，聖經絕對不是這樣說的。
主教或宗教領導人，有別於常人，他的寬恕，令人想起另一名稱，契弟和世界仔，有分別嗎？
向來敬賞馮先生之撰，其文皆列數據或某類作品原文，以佐其論，故令人信服。
反觀一衆劣等網上KOL，為博取流量不作資料搜集，即對某些新聞或事件，匆匆在網上發表狗噏 ，此舉令有識之士所不屑。
神棍是怎樣養成的？
回看歷史,天主教罪惡何其多！既然都寬恕了,為什麼還有地獄呢?最討厭假聖人偽君子！
佢嘅上主／上帝／神kill人最多！
天道無私...必審周守人!
同管仲鳴一担但
上主的確願意無條件寛恕人，看耶穌基督在我們尚未出現前已為我們擺上自己..........
問題係誰人可最終得到寬恕呢？
不就是果啲認罪悔改嘅人嗎？
連罪都冇認嘅人，點可能得到寬恕。
真係好好奇這位紅到上頭嘅物體，有幾耐冇睇聖經？又有幾耐冇同上主溝通？
可能佢改咗讀小紅書，與及同上大人溝通啩。
我不是教徒
主教顯神蹟
大審判快來
信錯教就慘過食錯藥好多，😂
你睇吓周守仁噏緊乜就知架喇！
🤣🤣
佢老頂都係咁上下！😂
馮翁，你叫周樞機點回答好呢？
難道回答： 我要刻意扭曲聖經意思，才能保住自己咩？
周樞機說人說事對像唔知乜乜，思緒錯亂，為講而講，唔知佢講道果陣係咪咁？！
梵帝崗也是愛國的
基督教/聖公會 也是愛國的
將黨支部建立在各小组上
努力發展 具有中國特色愛國宗教
天上的父，遠在萬萬哩。北京的主，卻無處不在。 傻嘅都識揀啦。😇
昨晚發萝，天主叫佢下台返上去逐間教會還原一切，再向佢哋傳教 😂😂😂
佢唔熟 聖經, 要多多努力去睇多啲！😀
咦 有冇佛教大師講對六四 善哉善哉
如果周守仁能上十字架
我絕對聽晒佢話 ! .
證明周某未夠班做呢個位，不過好在佢信主，上天大審判會審佢先
維多利亞
建議你於朗讀完該篇文章之後加多一句「全篇完。 」 我就能夠清楚知道最後嗰幾句說話係原文章還是你嘅短評。
唔該哂🙏🏻
我心裏面的無悔改
何需求你寬恕😂😂
開天窗同白紙運動有乜嘢分別？
請問主教你會寬恕魔鬼嗎？
多謝維多利亞，披着宗教外衣，以主之名行惡，所在多有！
頸度加多條紅領巾就完美晒，坐硬腥講三自天煮會噹位。
不過係一個教棍說的話 shameless
樞機已變身刁盤
為名利可以埋沒良心
仲有咩嘢好講？
週走人輸機lung up😂
審判是從神家開始的，天國近了，你們應當悔改!
我懷疑周守仁樞機可能不經意地隨手拿起一本 AI 的新版本聖經，因為AI 暫時未學曉，所以给大家一些不同的解釋。
e位周同志講嘢真系要小心d，上帝好小氣，遲d唔比你入門口都唔定。 😆
守仁比較守住個樞機大位更重要啫😂
应该是路加福音 17 章，不是14章！
我諗周對寬恕兩字已經不理解，寬恕是用於有權力的人，你有冇見打工仔寛恕老板？唔知你係唔敢或暗示當權者應該寛恕坐緊監的人呢？否則你真係向神請示吓先講嘢。
凡帝缸尚且舐共，何況係呢個level嘅樞機⋯⋯話時話，佢嘅title係樞機定係書記呢？🤔️
我小學讀天主教學校玫瑰崗中學在外國都係讀天主教學校，不過我都唔係一個天主教徒😂
以神之名做壞事的神棍!睇佢身光頸靚就知呢份工幾好搵啦!我都開始信神叻!陳同佳又有神(棍)保護,真好👍
天主的寬恕也是無條件嗎? The answer is YES. God sent his son, Jesus , to save ALL people from sin, which ultimately demonstrated unconditional forgiveness.
Sin 是指原罪, 不是指屠夫, 邪惡的共產黨本質。
請攪清楚。
@@joelau1666 他也是周守仁忠實粉絲？
yes? 耶穌就係贖罪祭，係人比唔起嘅代價，尼一點亦說明咗公義嘅重要性。
第二，人必須心裏相信，口裏承認耶穌為主(你嘅贖罪祭)，你先得以和神和好。
Thank you again, Ms Victoria!
Let me offer a different angle here; hahaha. And, please "forgive" me for writing in Eng for my Chines typing skill is inadequate.
He’s an idiot in the sense that he thought by saying what he said can bring calm to the ccp rule and he was able to appease the ccp leaders. He ask people to Forgive, but to Forgive Who and for What they did? If no one has been wronged, then no forgiveness necessary.
So, that public plea asking for forgiveness in fact implied mr Chow affirmed that the ccp leaders - The Who - ordered and executed a cold blood massacre against un-armed, innocent citizens on june-4, 1989 - The What. But, for all these years, the ccp leaders have been claiming that Nobody was killed on that day - it was a nice and swift sweep to restore peace only. But here, Bishop Chow, in his public statement, addressed to the whole roman catholic body in hk, to ask for forgiveness of the June-4 massacre, had in essence clearly affirmed, without any reasonable doubt, that ccp had committed such an egregious crime(that’s why it need forgiveness).
Now, this bishop from the roman catholic church should be arrested immediately for crossing the national security law, Article … aaah … 29 - 引發香港特別行政區居民對中央人民政府或者香港特別行政區政府的憎恨 - by publicly accusing them of committing massacre on June 4, 1989; the plea for forgiveness is just a facade. 哈哈! It's not hard to find so many supporters of this stupid regime being so stupid.
馮先生和維多利亞是否信徒？有冇讀過聖經新約路加福音23章34節？你們認為先寬恕別人，他們就一定接受！請指教🙇
邪惡政權有寬恕人嗎？怎麼叫人寬恕邪惡？
@@wahma7846冇錯
若不先向人示好，怎可令他人回轉！冤冤相報何時了？不妨看看一齣舊電影"Mission"。
只有上帝寬恕人甚至罪人，人怎可以寬恕上帝？
何謂見證？耶穌降世做人，就係以血肉做辦！
主教有贖罪券，佢
扭曲圣经
耶穌的確教導祂的門徒去無限量寬恕得罪他們的人。有門徒問祂饒恕嗰個人七次夠未，耶稣的回答是七十個七次，即全數都應饒恕。祂自己被釘在十字架上時，也人如其言地向天父說：「父親哪，赦免他們，因爲他們不曉得自己所做的是甚麽。」(路加福音23:34)
耶穌有沒有教導人們要寬恕一個本質是邪惡,接受一個極權例如是納粹,中共的屠殺呢?
慘案的根源是什麼呢?
宗教是要為極權服務,開脫的嗎?
沒有真相,何談論寬恕,就算是平常的人事。
或者硏讀一下舊約聖經約伯記可以得到一啲安慰。一個無做壞事或者惡事嘅人如果被苦害，公義的上帝最終系會百倍、千倍賞賜俾佢嘅。所以若果佢願意寬恕苦害佢嘅人，對佢自己來講系可以降低所受既痛苦嘅。被納粹份子逼害過嘅猷太人當中，亦都有些類似個案印證到寬恕人有難以想象的力量嘅。至於惡人嘅下塲，可以讀下舊約詩篇第一篇，他們必會好似麥糠被風吹散咁，不能留低，完全系提都唔值得一提。
要受害者無條件寬恕加害者,受害者會得到心靈解脫之說之類,會否是一種精神上的自我麻醉,姑息養奸?
慘案的根源是什麼呢?
沒有真相,何談論寬恕,就算是平常的人事。
慘案曝露了極權的惡毒,是要對良知與制度的深切反省。
😊尊重啲，唔好成日嗌錯名，佢叫週手淫。😅
主耶蘇是要罪人認罪，然後才能得到寬恕呀😮
馮先生對基督教的教義比周守仁更正確清楚。多年前讀過周守仁在公教報妁文章，那時他還未被選為樞機，但已看出他的思維紊亂，羅輯欠奉，自相矛盾，神學基礎薄弱。 當時已直覺他會被選為樞機，因為能力低，容易被控制！奈何！🤣🤣🤣
寬恕？
他們有向上帝認錯嗎？
當那日必有許多人對我說：主啊，主啊，我們不是奉你的名傳道，奉你的名趕鬼，奉你的名行許多異能嗎？
我就明明的告訴他們說：我從來不認識你們，你們這些作惡的人，離開我去吧。
子女未到十八歲不要讓他們活在教會，他們會成為一個心中只有教會沒分析沒邏輯的人，很可悲的。
機不可失遇上周(時)輸機。
I just read mr Chow’s “public” letter, to his church body. He expressed his feelings, and projected the same onto others, as some sentimental grievance 創傷 of some lost love, like breaking up with his romantic lover, or having been dumped, or some sort of such. But, he knows better, it is more than just 創傷. And, the word “justice” was nowhere to be found in his words. So, first of all, he has some mis-placed feelings, intentional or not, about the whole matter. Only that kind of mis-placed feeling can lead him to such pathetic sentimental cloud of “forgive and forget”. Yet, for those who insist in remembrance of the atrocity on June-4 and not letting the ccp wipe out history and continue their travesty, it is about Truth, Justice and Sanctity of Life! It's Not about your own or anybody's personal sentimental feelings, stupid! For a priest whose mission is to preach truth, justice and righteousness, mercy and love to say what he said in this public letter, but no-justice-no-mercy-no-love towards the slaughtered and their loved ones, IT IS UNFORGIVALBLE!