I have dispensationalist telling me that Israel will be saved no matter what because of the eternal, Abrahamic covenant. I tell them about the new covenant in Christ and they mock me, call me all sorts of names. They say I don't read the Bible, I am a liar, antisemite, etc. I've even been called Satan. They are so indoctrinated (brainwashed) by this false system that it has them completely blinded. They make an idol out of Israel/Jews. And how they butcher the Scriptures! It's very bizarre.
@@Vulpizar You miss the point entirely. Galatians 3:27-29 "For those of you who were baptized into Christ have been clothed with Christ. There is no Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female; since you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to the promise." The point is that IN CHRIST there are none of these distinctions. All are ONE in Christ.
Galatians 3:28-29. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”
Thank you for defining this for a greater understanding. Dispensationalism has made the scriptures clear and sensible to understand. Places scripture events in view from the prophets that are easy to understand. The future of Israel is clear throughout the Bible and seen clearly in Revelation.
Dispensationalism is a heresy created to destroy Christianity and to justify Talmudic Judaism. Avoid it at all costs. Without Dispensationalism there would not be a genocide taking place in the Middle East right now.
@@georgefisher8610 Yes...... I live in Honduras, working in Christian education and missions, and here Scofield's influence has taken over the evangelical church here, in a very bad way. What is incredible is that nobody has done their research, and don't even know that for 1900 years, nobody had ever come up with such a script,,,, yet they believe it because it was taught to them :(
He is defeating his own argument by stating, "dyspensationalism" IS NOT a system of interpretation of scripture. That's exactly what it is. A system of understanding the Bible. The question now is whether it is the best way to understand scripture. I say no due to its many errors in its many misinterpretations.
How can Christians honestly claim that God is going to favor a people who openly and radically oppose Christ and His message? Maybe there is a future for Israel but it must be for a people who accept Christ, not the current lot who work against Him at every turn.
Imo, and this is a psychological view, literalist Protestants have a huge problem. They read the bible, and it’s pretty clear God has his favorite people, and they aren’t them.
Yes exactly and anyone who accepts Christ is therefore a Christian and no longer a pagan or a Jew. There is no such thing as a messianic Jew, that's impossible. You can't be antichrist and a believer at the same time
God is keeping his promise to Abraham. During thr Tribulation. It’s also known as the time of Jacob’s trouble. Many Israelites will be saved by turning to Christ as Messiah.
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But *in every nation* he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. {Acts 10:34-35} Again... But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God. {Romans 2:10-11}
This is absolutely true, correct and straight from scripture. Feelings don’t lead us, Sound Doctrine does. God’s Word is true whether we like it or not.
The rapture is a small part of the dispensationalist view. The dispensationalist view is more than a system of theology it's simply believing the bible in its literal grammatical sense.
The fall of Jerusalem was the vindication of Jesus as the Son of God. He told the disciples, Jerusalem would be destroyed. He told the Sanhedrin that Jerusalem would be destroyed. He told the world thru the apostles witness that Jerusalem would be destroyed And in the book of Revelation He gave the detailed specifics of Jerusalem’s destruction. All of it was to convince the world and all of History that He was God when His prophecies came true. That history of Jerusalem’s destruction documents the truth of all of Jesus prophecies about the end of Old Covenant Israel. When Jerusalem was destroyed it was the vindication of Jesus’ proof that He was indeed God incarnate, knowing the end from the beginning. Is it any wonder that the strategy to bury Christ’s proof as God would be to bury the history of Jerusalem’s destruction and therefore the literal fulfillment of His prophecies? And to teach that all of it was to be in our future, making Christ’s clear words to His own apostles that He would return in their lifetime “a lie.” Revelation 1:1-3 (KJV) 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; …3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." I'm so glad people like you exist to correct Jesus (sarcasm).
@@velociray Actually no "this" means the generation that see the signs spoken of. Those signs have not taken place yet, the generation that sees those signs will be the generation that sees the 2nd coming of Christ, the building up of Zion (Psalm 102:16), the flowing of the nations to Jerusalem (Isaiah 2). This has not happened yet. Zechariah 14 is the clearest picture of the 2nd coming of Christ, read it, and you will see it did not happen yet.
@ShawnKaron Or... they did happen as testified to by Tiberius, Josephus, and even John was a witness to. Jesus spoke of his judgment on this wicked and evil generation of unbelieving Jews. 70AD proved Jesus was a prophet.
Dispensational is not complicated its simply rightly dividing the word of God to the correct time period and to the correct people. "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Tim. 2:15
For ye are all the children of God *by faith in Christ Jesus* For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. {Galatians 3:26-29}
Every promise to Israel was made under the Old Covenant of the law, the old agreement between heaven and earth. Under the law no flesh could be justified because man was incapable of fulfilling the law perfectly. That’s why God’s plan was always to fulfill the old covenant with the new covenant. (Jer.31:31)Under the new covenant Jesus fulfilled the law thereby becoming eligible to give his righteous soul to the Father as a substitute for sinful man, and why God could accept it as payment, as an atonement. The Jews today still claim they can become righteous under the law. But what does the law say, Galatians 3:10-11 (NKJV) 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." Duet.27:26 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith." Hab.2:4 Galatians 3:7-9 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. This is now the meaning of “who the blessed are and who the cursed are.” Under the new covenant if you believe in Messiah but confess that He is not Christ Jesus then you show yourselves as “anti-Christ” according to the Spirit’s testimony thru John. 1 John 2:22-23 22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is Messiah? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. Now what religion today believes in Messiah but “confesses” that He is not Jesus?
With all due respect, you are way off on this topic. You need to go and study the Noaic Covenant, the Abrahamic covenant, and the Mosaic Covenant. Noaic covenant God promised to never drown the earth in a catastrophic flood again. In the Abrahamic covenant God promised an eternal covenant with Israel that they would Inherit a land and rule over it. And be a great nation. That covenant was not dependent on Israel being obedient or not. God made a unilateral covenant with them. That covenant has yet to be fulfilled The Mosaic covenant was a temporary covenant God made with Israel that came with blessings and cursing for their obedience ir lack there of. That covenant ended with the death of Jesus. That was the law they were under. That was fulfilled In Christ. We are all under grace. Those promises God made with Israel under the Abrahamic covenant are not about grace or works that pertain to the church. It was specifically for Israel. Read Romans chapter 11. God set Israel aside temporarily. Got focused on us the church till the times of the Gentiles are complete. When that happens He will again focus on His chosen people/ nation Israel and save them. A temporary hardening came to Israel, not permanent. Again Read Romans chapter 11.
God does not change. There is no "old" or "new" with God. The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the earth for all who repent and believe in Him. And there is a chosen people who is still scattered and they are Israelites, not Israelis.
@Scribeintheink God gave Noah the 10 commandments, satan gave his children the noahides to eradicate the children of Jacob-Israel (John 8.44) They slaughtered the Messiah and continue to go after the children of Jacob-Israel with a sword. Gen 27.40, Amos 1.11. If you think that is "impressive" you are one of them.
'Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying , In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. ' Galatians 3:7-9
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
But who is Israel when Paul says not all Israel is Israel? Zionists? Anti-Zionism Torah Judaism types? Messianic Jws who say no to both of the aforementioned?
6:10 The difference/definition between the "CHURCH" & "ISRAEL" in Dispensationalism. 7:45 What is Dispensationalism? 12:25 Covenant Theologian...definition.
Romans 9 says explicitly that the true people of God are those who are born of God via the promise of salvation, through Isaac. “Not all who are of Israel are Israel”. The true Israel is not the natural seed line of Abraham but rather the spiritual Seed of Abraham. Those who believe regardless of their ethnic origins. The church doesn’t replace Israel - the church IS Israel. Read Paul’s letter in Romans.
No matter what eschatological school you adhere to, you should read "There Really Is A Difference" by Renald E Showers. It explores the history of eschatological thought down from the time of the 1st C Church. It is a biblical explanation.
Bob Hutton, here, from England. I've just come across your comment and would like you to know that I read this book some years ago and it is excellent.😊😊 I would also recommend Dispensationalism by C C Ryrie.
Whatever view you hold is not important to eternal life in Jesus Christ. Ok for scholars to speak about this but please don’t introduce new believers into eschatology, it will cause discord into new believers.
The man who preaches about everything being symbolic, nothing material, suddenly, changes to: Literally, you must vow down to ✡️ "don't you know they are superior to you ("chosen") !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you go back and listen... note how he says you need to provide proof based on his system of interpretation... literal, grammatical, historical.. These three things are only a small part of interpreting scripture... The greatest is biblical... as in the whole. Love the man and he is a brother no doubt.
@MasonMcKenna-bx8fn What I mean is this: I believe according to scripture that there is One God. We would agree on that for sure! I also agree with you that there is ONE savior in Jesus Christ's death and resurrection... What we may disagree on (only because I don't know you) is the difference between "Isreal" and the church... again, I don't know you.... but you've probably been taught that the church of our risen Lord and Isreal are separate... am I correct?
@@alanmunch5779 yes, it’s good to check it out what it actually said. The only one I can remember is when he does an interview with. I think it’s Ben Shapiro. Other than that people have told me, that this is what he believes, but it is right to check it out and I’ll be happy to be corrected if I’m wrong Or if I have exaggerated, what is said
@@alanmunch5779 hi Ben shapiro Sunday special ( five years ago) episode 89 about 8 tenths of the way through the interview. He refuse the idea that the church replaces Israel, which, personally I think he’s got that slightly wrong anyway, but then he goes on to say that it’s a latent form of antisemitism. Check it out.
@@davidrichard2761 Thanks, I’ll look it up in a few minutes. I think there’s a big difference between saying a theological view is a latent form of, or has roots in, anti-Semitism, and that anyone who disagrees with him is anti-Semitic. From what I know of John M, he has many friends among fellow ministers whom he disagrees with on this issue, but he gets along with them very well and shares a platform at regular conferences, etc. I doubt he would label them personally as anti-Semitic.
The Orthodox Church is Israel, and all who are in Christ are in the Orthodox Church. You read well the Scriptures. Now all you need is the Organism through which the Holy Spirit gave you said Scriptures.
The dispensationalists also use labels such as "replacement theology" which is a really disingenuous label because covenant theology doesn't replace anything. I'm glad John didn't chose to use that label. Covenant theology is right in our face... all you have to do is read the New Testament. And that doesn't negate the previous covenants AT ALL. The argument that Covenant theology implies that there's no future for Israel which is a straw man argument... quite disingenuous or at its worst, intentionally deceitful. All those who believe and repent are grafted in and no one comes to the father except those who come to him through Jesus. No doubt that the Holy Spirit will do great works to that end in the last days with a multitude of Gentiles and Jews coming to faith who to that point rejected Yeshua Hamashiach (Jesus as the Messiah). As far as imminence goes, I'm not sure how anyone, setting aside their preconceived notions aside, can read Matthew 24 and 25 and come to the conclusion that Jesus can come at any time and that there will be a pre-trib rapture. There are a whole host of things Jesus tells us that must happen first. Those alive at the time will know the SEASON through things such as the killing of the two witnesses, the antichrist demanding worship of him, mass persecution and the last of which is the darkening of the sun and moon immediately followed by the rapture prior to God taking his wrath on Earth. There's not a third second coming or a second final trumpet.
What I’m wondering is, if Israel is meant to come back and build a temple, which is mainly for animal sacrifice, what happens next? What exactly are they supposed to do there since in dispensationalism all of human history sort of revolves around gods promises to Jewish people? It can’t just be that they’ll be there practicing animal sacrifice while gentiles will be everywhere else practicing Christianity separately. What exact role are they supposed to play after the apocalypse? Also, my understanding is that, at least in the OT, god only helped them to return when they repented back to proper faith in Judaism. There are verses that say the land will vomit them out if they’re not faithful to the mosaic law. Most of the people who founded Israel in ‘48 were atheists and marxists. Even today polls in Israel show about 70% are atheist. Is there any verse that says they’ll return even if they’re not properly religious?
The Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth is the only sacrifice. All others are satanic. Beware the lying pens of the scribes. It is all about heart and not penis circumcision. "Gentiles" and "goy" are fictions fabricated to obscure the identity of the real and true Jacob-Israel who is still scattered. What God has scattered, He will gather.
I can explain perhaps. Let's start with the covenant God made with Israel in Genesis 15 :18 where He told Abraham to get a bunch of animals and cut them in half. And then a deep darkness and terror fell upon Abraham, and a smoking torch and oven passed between the halves of the animals " On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abraham and said, " To your descendants I give this land from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates..." Notice that Abraham was out of it...he did not and could not participate during this event. That signifies that it was really only a one way covenant because God already knew His people Israel could NOT keep the covenant. " While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" is the new covenant that WE also can't keep, but God keeps us despite our propensity to sin, as long as we keep returning to Him . Understand this and it helps understand that God is not going back on His eternal covenant with Abraham. So all the prophecies about the physical land of Israel, the literal people of Israel, the literal third temple of Israel are going to happen. Notice the reinforcement of this in Luke ch 1vs 72-73 where after having his tongue loosened by the Holy Spirit , Zechariah the father of John the Baptist makes a declaration which includes this... " To show mercy to our fathers and to REMEMBER HIS HOLY COVENANT, THE OATH HE SWORE TO OUR FATHER ABRAHAM..." Which oath was that? The one in Genesis 15;18.
Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the COMMONWEALTH of ISRAEL, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: BUT now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh *by the blood of Christ* For he is our peace, who hath made both [Jew and Gentile] one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments [not the ten commandments] contained in ordinances; for to make in himself *of twain* ONE NEW MAN, so making peace; And that he might reconcile BOTH unto God in ONE BODY by the cross, *having slain the enmity thereby* And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. {Ephesians 2:11-18}
Now therefore ye [Gentile Ephesian] are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, (B.C.) and of the household of God; And are *built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets Jesus Christ* himself being the chief corner. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an *holy temple in the Lord* In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God *through* the Spirit. {Ephesians 2:19-22}
This is a little misleading. Dispensation does mean stewardship but it is used by many to imply there were 7 different periods of time in which salvation was achieved in a particular way. MacArthur is obscuring the meaning. I carried a Schofield Bible under my arm for 20 years. It's a different Gospel no matter how you slice it.
I respect Dr. Macarthur and appreciate his influence on my life as a believer in Jesus Christ. But I believe his eschatology is flawed. He must be cautious because he is teaching others. I don't want him leading others in the wrong path. Dispensationalism has questionable - even shady roots. It is the newest school of thought in Christian Eschatology that only emerged only in the 1830s. Their teaching on a pre-tribulation rapture of the church was a result of a supposed prophecy given in tongues and interpreted during a gathering of the Plymouth Brethren at Reverend Irving's Catholic Apostolic Church (who still believe in apostles existing up to this day). Samuel Prideaux Tregellus, a brilliant New Testament Scholar of textual criticism and a great and saintly man of God who belonged to that group said, "I wasn't aware of any definite teaching of a secret rapture of the church and of a secret coming until this was given forth as an utterance in Mr. Irvinng's Church and from what was then received as the voice of the Spirit." The teaching caused a divide in the church among those who accepted it and those who didn't. J.N. Darby embraced and even promoted it. Other brethren like B.W. Newton, Robert Chapman, and George Muller didn't. Solid Biblical Doctrine should be based on careful exegesis and hermeneutics of God's Holy Word, not on prophecies outside of Scripture. I do not understand how Dr. MacArthur cannot see where he is erring and to which he will be accountable to God on that Day. May the Lord open his eyes regarding this matter. 🙏🙏🙏
6and now for the hope of the promise made to the fathers by God, I have stood judged, 7to which our twelve tribes, intently serving night and day, hope to come, concerning which hope I am accused, King Agrippa, by the Jews; [From Acts 26] 4who are Israelites, whose [is] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the lawgiving, and the service, and the promises, 5whose [are] the fathers, and of whom [is] the Christ, according to the flesh, who is God over all, blessed for all ages. Amen [From Romans 9] The problem is that so many teachers ignore the fact that the prophets taught the difference between Israel and Judah. They ignore the fact that two tribes of Israel remained as a remnant in Judah while ten tribes of Israel became outcasts scattered among the gentiles- but with a promise to be re-gathered to Lebanon and Gilead. Benjamin and Levi were the remnant of Israel that received the gospel and began caring it to the lost sheep of the house of Israel scattered abroad.
he only took the jews that were alive at the time to heaven thats why he said some of you shall not taste of death. the rest died and the gentiles remained alive. there is no rapture for the gentile its just made up modern private interpretations thats why they always have to refer to the greek and do all this dissecting and call it exigesis
I'm confused, is he saying, that God will set Israel up as a nation when they believe on Jesus or before they accept him as the risen savior. There's a few more things that don't add up for me. For instance God said in Ecclesiastes 1: 4 that people will live and die, but the earth continues forever ( NCV), in 2 Peter 3: 10-12 says that everything will be destroyed. Point being which one is literal as Dr. MacAuthur
Awesome!! Doctor MacArthur. If someone disagrees with him, get a KJV, pray, and then study the Word with an open heart and mind. If you can understand the words this pastor uses, you should be able to read the king’s English.
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For *they are not all Israel* which are of Israel: *Neither because they are the seed of Abraham* are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are *the children of the flesh these are not the children of God* but *the children of the promise* are counted for the seed. {Romans 9:6-8} Now we, [Galatians] brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. {Galatians 4:28-29} For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon *the Israel of God* {Galatians 6:15-16}
I'm a mid tribulation guy myself, not because I know a whole lot or I'm some kind of modern day prophet or anything:) HA! I just figure it's the safest bet. LOL! No, just teasing a little, it's so confusing really, and to me it mostly depends on who's defining "pre" what's that mean exactly? For example, take the Mark of the Beast, and man not able to buy or sale, there has to be some people who won't take the mark, saved people to be sure, sinners won't have a problem taking it. So, the question is, does the world and the "church" in the world think when the Mark of the Beast is running rampant we could call that tribulation? Also, there's a scripture in Daniel, to paraphrase says something like "if you can't run with the footmen, what will you do when the horsemen come." I don't know, like I said, mid seems safer:)
Jesus tells Israel he won’t be back until they accept him. That makes them Christian and part of the Church. I’m not sure how many will be left at that point though.
@@johnygoodwin3441, No..Judaism is not Christian. It completely rejects Jesus as the Messiah. Of course, there are messianic Jews who do recognize Jesus as the Messiah and Son Of God. They are Christian. Should we support them in everything they do? Absolutely not!..but Israel is our Ally and the terrorism being done against them is evil. It may be God using the wicked acts of an evil enemy to punish Israel for its transgressions but, just as God did with the Assyrians, God is going to punish Hamas for its evils after he’s done. I believe our job is to pray, recognize evil when we see it, and do what we can to protect innocent people and to oppose evil.
The title of this is “The Chosen Remnant,” The Chosen Remnant. So, beginning in verse 27, “Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, ‘Though the number of the sons of Israel be like the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved. For the Lord will execute His word on the earth, thoroughly and quickly.’ And just as Isaiah foretold, ‘Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left to us a posterity, we would have become like Sodom and would have resembled Gomorrah.'” how can a remnant come out of ISRAEL, if they are not there for them to come out of?
Ezekiel 47 shows the Church in Israel in the future. Read it. Actually it's all over the place in the Old Testament. It is an Old Testament way of saying the church. The New Covenant in Jeremiah 31 is clearly applied in the Church in the New Testament in Hebrews 8. To say this applies to Israel only is silly even though it only mentions Israel and Judah in the text. Also Acts 15 at the first Counsel of the churches clearly declares the Old Covenant does not apply not only to the Gentiles for salvation and new life, but as Peter says it is also true for the Jews as well. The spiritual nature of the text is not some Texas nonsense that you use as some stick man, the spiritual nature of the text is Messianic. The meaning of the text is Spiritual, and the Spiritual story told is the Great plan of Salvation in Christ. It is the tread in the story of the whole Old Testament. It is not literalism like you are saying it is Spirit and Life. (This is true of Inspiration as well) And that Spirit and Life is Christ. John 5:38-39 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. 39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. 40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life." The Jewish leaders missed the Spiritual nature of the text. They did not know him because the Word did not "Dwell" in them. It did not "Live" in them. It was merely structural when is was clearly meant to be life. That is what Jesus told his disciples in Luke 24:44-46; 24:13-26; Acts 3: You have made theology very structural. That is not the way Jesus taught. Jesus is the Scriptures message and our message is him. Israel's salvation and eternal kingdom is the "New Jerusalem" which is also ours. You also abuse 1 Thessalonians 4. You say only the Church is mentioned in the text. But you are aware that this is a letter and that Chapter 5 is a continuation of Chapter 4 and clearly God's "wrath" (1Thess 5:9) against the wicked is present in this conversation with the believers. Of course he reiterates what he says in Chapter 4 "edify one another with these words". To say there were no converted Israelites in the Thessalonica Church and that Paul was only speaking to non Jews is absolutely absurd. This again is like Scofield's and Darby's nonsense on "rightly dividing the word" as to what applies to the Jews and what applies to the Gentiles. Very sad. All for what? To convince the "elect" in the Church that they will not go through the tribulation? Good luck Mark 13, Matt 24, Luke 21 at the Olivet Discourse is very clear that the elect will be going through the Tribulation. They are there with the Abomination of Desolation. They are there during the Great Tribulation. They are there when Christ comes in the Clouds. Don't try to go to Romans 11 and equate the "eklektos" with Israel because the elect are mentioned all over in Paul's letters to the Gentile Churches as well as Peter. They are the Chosen, they Elect. They are what Christ is. Jesus makes no distinction John 5:28-29 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth-those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." There just is no separation in any of the text you use. Is Israel going to be saved? Yes "Some of them" will. (Romans 11:14), which is another passage of Scripture that you abuse. The "all" is clearly the combination of the 2 groups, as it is in v.32. Which is what Paul is saying because v.24 makes it clear the root is Israel. The very root both Jew and Gentile are broken off of and grafted into. The Israel is the same Israel as in Romans 9:6-8 " For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring." Or as Paul says in Romans 2:28-29 "A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code." Paul is consistent in his use of Israel when applying it to the promise and salvation which is what he is doing in Chapter 11. Truth is the New Testament neither embraces Dispensationalism or Covenant Theology constructs. It teach Messianic Theology or Fulfillment Theology.
The first believers were Jews, and Gentiles were grafted in. There isnt a Gentile Church and a Jewish Israel, because the Church is not necessarily Gentile. The apostles were Jews, are they part of Isreal and the Church simultaneously yet separately?
Dr. MacArthur, In your you Tube video of Dec.9, 2012, entitled;..."John MacArthur explains the Rapture of the Church", You make several contradictions . One, of these contradictions which I would like you to explain, concerns your declaring that the Rapture will only take place, After the "Times of the GENTILES be fulfilled", ( citing Rom.11:25 ).... which I agree is Correct,.....IF we understand such "Times of the Gentiles", to ONLY be fulfilled at the END of the Soon coming TRIBULATION !! But then you go on to say about the Timing of the RAPTURE, that you believe it takes place BEFORE the coming TRIBULATION !! ( and THAT, after you have declared that the RAPTURE CANNOT happen UNTIL the "TIMES of the GENTILES come in" ) So What do you do with Luke 21:24, that declares that;..."and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." As well as Rev.11:2, of the very SAME time Element, that declares;..."But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is GIVEN UNTO THE GENTILES: and the Holy City shall They TREAD UNDER FOOT Forty and Two months." Your apparent contradiction is in my understanding REFUTED by these TWO PASSAGES, which declare that the TIMES Of the GENTILES, does NOT END, until the last day of the TRIBULATION !!! ( which incidentally, is the DAY that JESUS said He would "Raise-Up", those that the Father had Given Him. Jn.6:40 ) So please respond to my question, and Clarify, or re-examine your belief structure ??? Respectfully, Morgan Sorensen ( Theologian, in ministry since 1963 )
from history of God's people, rapture or resurection took place from several times.. from 2 Thessalonian 2: 7, 8, and also 1 Corinthians 15: 51, 52, we know that God's church will be "taken out of the way" and then the "wicked" or the anti-christ will be "revealed", and so there will be resurrection for some before the antichrist rule and then also when the Lord Jesus comes again, for those that did not rapture just before the anti-christ reign. sorry for the late reply..
@@tinabrowny , Tiny, I suppose that your opening remark that (quote ) ...." From history of God's people, rapture or resurrection took place from several times.." ( end quote ) ....refers to Enoch and Elijah, who were both removed in their "natural bodies", and preserved to the time of their returning as the "TWO WITNESSES", in the latter half of the TRIBULATION !! But that has NOTHING to do with the First Resurrection and subsequent RAPTURE that John MacArthur was discussing. Also your reference to 2.Thess.2:7-8, which concerns the "Firstfruits", ( a group of Saints that represent 10% of the Whole from which they are taken ) being removed, as the "Hinderer who now letteth", that must be "taken out of the way", before the Antichrist can be "Revealed", and this Group of "Firstfruit Saints", has also nothing to do with the Main Body of the Church, ( the Eklesia ) who the scriptures declare will be the "OVERCOMERS", that will ENDURE the coming TRIBULATION ( Rev.2:7, Rev.2:10-11, Rev.2:17, Rev.2:26, Rev.3:5, Rev.3:12, Rev.3:21. ) And we see these OVERCOMERS, in Rev.12:11, during the "latter half" of the TRIBULATION resisting the Antichrist, and "Overcoming Him , by the Blood of the LAMB , and by the Word of their TESTIMONY" !! However the Main Body of the Church, who are said to be the "OVERCOMERS", ( that JESUS was referring to in Mt.24:14, that would be the WITNESSES of "This Gospel of the Kingdom, that will be preached as a witness to All nations, THEN shall the End Come" ) THAT Main body, which we call "the Church" are said to remain here on Earth until "the Time of the Gentiles be fulfilled" ( Lk.21:24, Rom.11:25, Rev.11:2 ) And Tiny, it is about This ISSUE, of which John MacArthur goes on to say about the Timing of the RAPTURE, that He believes it takes place BEFORE the coming TRIBULATION !! And THAT, After he has declared that the RAPTURE CANNOT happen UNTIL the "TIMES of the GENTILES come in". So Tiny, it seems you do not understand the Issue here, that there is a Clear CONTRADICTION in John MacArthur's presentation, which is Also emphasized in 1.Cor.15:50, where the apostle PAUL is addressing a decidedly Christian Audience calling them "Brethren", and telling Them, that even though they are Christians, yet because of their "Flesh an Blood nature", they Cannot as such, Inherit the Kingdom of Heaven !! As they MUST all be Changed , from MORTALITY to that of IMMORTALITY, at the First RESURRECTION !! ( Before any RAPTURE Can Happen !! ) And this "FIRST RESURRECTION", is in Rev.20:4-5, said to be SEPARATED from the "SECOND RESURRECTION", which happens at the END of the MILLENIUM, By ONE-THOUSAND YEARS !! Which in turn Proves to Us, that the FIRST RESURRECTION cannot happen until the LAST DAY of the TRIBULATION !! And we already know, that NO RAPTURE can happen until AFTER that we have been "Changed", from MORTALITY to that of IMMORTALITY , from CORRUPTION to that of IN-CORRUPTION . ( 1.Cor.15:51-53 . with 1.Thess.4:15-17 ) This then clearly REFUTES the teaching of any "Pre-Trib" Rapture ! As No rapture is possible until the first resurrection takes place, and that only happens When the "TIMES Of the GENTILES be COME IN", at the very last day of the TRIBULATION !! So Tiny, you have in No Shape or Form, been able to answer my Question ! So could you please pass it on to John MacArthur, for Him to give me a Response ? Thank You sir. Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
@@sorens70601 I see you are quite well versed and do believe in what the bible says that Moses and Elijah will return. We know they had appeared a few times on earth and had witnessed the Lord's death, burial and resurrection and also communed with the Lord at the transfiguration, and hence, they are qualified to preach the gospel during the antichrist ruling when no one will preach the gospel anymore then. These 2 witnesses are the 2 olives trees of God, Moses and Elijah (Rev 11:4). Their appearances on earth had been misunderstood by many as the ministering spirit type angels and causing confusion and into believing that angels are like human beings and can marry as well etc... but are ministering spirits.. As for previous resurrection, when the Lord Jesus was crucified, there was a resurrection taking place for the dead as well and the dead entered into the state of "mortality" but may not yet received the new celestial body yet to be in the complete state of "immortality". We also know from 1 Pet 3:19, 20 that the souls of many who died in the great flood and repented at the last minute were visited by the Lord Jesus who preached the gospel to them, and although it is not written in the bible, we know that they resurrected from the waiting area in hell and the Lord took them with him. What God has given us, the Holy Bible, is good enough for what we need to know and how to prepare ourselves spiritually to be ready to be with God and our Lord Jesus Christ, and we know well that God cannot be contained in a book as the apostle John even said that he didn't think the whole world's book is enough write down the things that the Lord Jesus did and that was only for 3 years of work! So we can read between lines :)... Many are carried away with the details and being literall that if it's not in the bible then it is not quite applicable. God's words are multifaceted in its applications but men read them only in one angle and the arguments goes on for example, about the topic of once saved always saved or the saved can fall away but for the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life and both are applicable and correct.. Because the Holy Spirit very reluctantly leaves a saved person but not right away if a person knowingly and made conscious decision and significant effort to reject the Holy Spirit that is in a person. We are given the examples of that in the bible, in the case of Esau, King Saul, and in the case of Demas whom Apostle Paul said left the Lord for the world (2 Tim4:10). So the different views on rapture i think is important but not the most important topic related to our mission in saving souls and may gender strives although it is a spiritual luxury to meet mature Christians and discuss truly spiritual things who really understands the hidden wisdom and mystery of God :)... but for me now.. I believe, more importantly, as much as we can, we need to to get into Christian Apologetics plus political truth (coz evil politics gonna play a big role in bringing out the antichrist reign, and besides President Donald Trump alraedy gave the executive order to void the Linden Johnson amendment of the 5013c status that is conditional and limiting churches from talking about politics and president talked about freeing the 250million American Christian voices that had been silenced by the 5013c ruling for decades.. political truth and Christianity is very closely tied to up what's in revelation.. many churches who do not support and vote for the right president does commit an error if given the chance and duty to vote for the right president to preserve the Christian culture and belief in America, and not erode righteous nature of the Judeo-christian law based country here. So, I think Christian Apologetic and inevitably one that is tied up to the acquiring the knowledge of political truth that is badly needed in this day and age, especially with all the perversions going on everywhere - anti-christian, globalist and new world order agendas and the perverted reeducation of the mind, overwhelming the world now and sweeping away the faith of many with the drowning Tsunami of unbelief and atheism from schools, mass media, Hollywood perverted, anti-christian and godless oriented culture etc. Hence, I think more importantly is that we really need to be skilled in Christian Apologetic and to obtain the skills of evangelism, and being able to answer questions coming from atheists, agnostics, people from other faiths and even from Christians as well..etc.. Your spirit to seek to rightly divide the word of truth is commendable (2 Tim 2:15, 16) we know how if we are not careful, we can lose focus on our great commission on earth which many have naturally accepted the "great omission" as being an acceptable way of living as Christians, and busy focusing on vain babbling of how they can interpret this or that in the bible, for "the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life" as we are told in 2 Cor 3:6, and losing their focus altogether in not spreading of the gospel as an individual to another being, which is our top priority and saving souls :)... yes it is indeed a spiritual luxury to be able to have spiritual exchanges with another spiritual and mature Christian though :) and I am also happy to know that you definitely know a lot about revelation than many Christians who thinks that it is just a figurative story altogether... Yes, back to answering your question... I posted Mac Arthur's video quite a while back and I had not had the chance to listen through the whole video.. As for your mentioning of Mac Arthur's contradiction, I'm not sure if Mac Arthur had been confronted with that question before and been given a chance to clarify or chose not to for some reason, I do not know. So I will respond to u based on what I know and thought it's good to share my thoughts with u... Many who calls themselves Christians and not born again, are not overcomers, will be left behind to live during the reign of the antichrist. Those left behind is what you mentioned as the "main body" or the majority of the Christians, and that means the minority, those who are truly born again, which is the minority, of the God's church had already left. Yes many of the Christians left behind will be overcomers. But that does not mean for those who had already left the earth via rapture before the antichrist ruling are not overcomers. See Rev 15, in fact, those who already raptured are going to be witnessing the great tribulation while being on on the sea of glass. I did post Mac Arthur's videos and many others too that talks about the topic on pre-tribulation issue. But to me, whatever view one takes, be it a-millenialism, pre-trib, post trib, mid-trib, preterist etc.. it is not a major issue that would affect one's salvation although it can cause one to not see as clearly about the future clouded by confusion and unbelief.. but all in all to begin with... fearing the Lord and not despise the wisdom and instruction available to us but firstly, how God's word is applied to one's spiritual life and how far has one truly obtained and be filled with the love of Christ is the ultimate goal:)! sorry if I have any typo..
also talking about first and second resurrection.. or for true Christians, we are to die once and live twice :).. firstly a spiritual application and then also the external literal resurrection :)..
@@tinabrowny , Tiny, you begin your response by saying; ( quote ) ...."Morgan Sorensen I see you are quite well versed and do believe in what the bible says that Moses and Elijah will return. " ( end quote ) Well Tiny, I am a Theologian, in ministry for over 57 years now, and over 54 years as a World class Theologian, with a written work on Eschatology, entitled; THE RAPTURE AND ITS SEVEN DIFFERENT ORDERS", that far surpasses the four FRAUD'S That are propagated today, such as ; "Pre-Trib", "Mid-Trib", "Pre-Wrath", and "Post-Trib", which All falsely teach a Simplistic "Singular Rapture", that is not taught in the scriptures !! As they are not recognizing that there are SEVEN ORDERS to the First Resurrection, two of which, have already taken place almost 2,000 years ago, Christ, the "First Begotten of the Dead", and the "Graves that Opened", when Christ was "yielding up the Ghost", ( Mt.27:50-53, and fulfilling Exod.23:19 ) who came out of their graves on the SAME DAY of the feast of "Firstfruits", on which Christ arose, but AFTER His Resurrection !! And Tiny, No, I Do not believe in the Falsehood that you believe in, ...that MOSES will return with Elijah !! Heb.9:27 declares the following;....."And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to DIE , but AFTER THIS the JUDGMENT: " Therefore MOSES will not be part of the TWO WITNESSES, as ONLY ENOCH and ELIJAH have been removed , and Preserved in their "Natural Bodies", for to come back and minister to the JEWS in Israel for the Last 3-1/2 years, and THEN To be KILLED and DIE for the first time !! Also The TWO WITNESSES will NOT preach to the World, as you say, as that is the Work of the "OVERCOMERS", which it seems your indoctrination cannot allow you to understand !! Tiny, you are propagating a False Eschatology, as does John MacArthur, that was the brainchild of John Nelson Darby, back in 1826/27, who was a 32nd degree Freemason. there is never going to be any "left-behinders", as No RAPTURE is Possible, until the First resurrection takes place at the Second Advent !! Your whole theory is stuck on a false "Pre-Trib" RAPTURE Scenario and idea, which has no validation in the scriptures ! Just a cursory reading of Acts.2:34-35, which declares;...." For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, ( verse 35 ) Until I make thy FOES thy FOOTSTOOL ." So Tiny, ask yourself Two Questions; The First; Is Christ now Seated on the Right hand of the father ? The answer is obviously YES !! The Second Question; Have Christ's Enemies and FOES been made his FOOTSTOOL Yet ? The answer is a resounding NO !!
That means, that Christ must Remain in Heaven, until such time, as that is to happen, and according to the book of the Revelation, as well as in Heb.9:28, that does Not happen until the Second Advent !!! Even Acts.3:20-21, makes it clear, that "Christ MUST REMAIN IN HEAVEN, until the Restitution of All THINGS" !! That means that Christ CANNOT LEAVE HEAVEN until it is TIME for the BATTLE of ARMAGEDDON, on the LAST DAY, As the Restitution of All Things Cannot begin, until AFTER the Antichrist and the False Prophet, ( Benny Hinn ? ) have been thrown into the Lake of Fire,..... and AFTER the DEVIL has been Bound, and cast in the bottomless Pit , all of which happens on the LAST DAY , which begins at Sunset, the Day Before, with the First Resurrection and its Subsequent RAPTURE !! But this is something that you will not understand, unless you read my book, "THE RAPTURE AND ITS SEVEN DIFFERENT ORDERS",. So I think that it will be best to end this discussion right here at this point, as I can see by your responses to me, that you have No IDEA what the scripture is teaching on Eschatology, and I do not have the time nor the patience to educate you , when all you need to do is to get a copy of my book, which discusses 'never before revealed' facts about the First Resurrection, in accordance with the "Seven Feasts" of God, ( Lev.23 ) and the teachings of the apostle PAUL on these Seven Orders of the First Resurrection !! Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
Dispensationalism is a different gospel to what has been passed down from the apostles and preached by the church for nearly 2000 years. Either the true gospel was immediately lost when the apostles died until the 1800s, or dispensationalism is a false gospel.
At what point in time did Ruth become Israel? Israel is a nation of people. Israel is what God calls His people. Only Israel will enter into the Kingdom, there is no Gentile gate. The way to NOT be one of those who are utterly surprised and disappointed in the upcoming Matthew 7:23 scene, is to live out what God said in Deuteronomy 10:12-13, and trust that what God did through Jesus' death, burial and resurrection paid the penalty for the hopeless sinful condition we were born in. If we believe that, we'll fear God properly, walk in all the ways God instructed us to, love God (see 1 Jn 5:2-3), serve God with all our being, and keep/guard God's commandments... which are for our good. God sent His Son to pay the price sin brings, so walk as exampled by His Son.
The True Gospel Is The Gospel of The Living God. It is The Saving Gospel! 1 Corinthians 15:3-5: For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve ... This Gospel is all about Christ! Christ has died! Christ was buried! Christ was risen! Christ was seen! You may compare this saving Gospel to John MacArthurs preaching.
Dispensationalism radically separates God’s people into Christians and the Jews. It teaches that God supposedly has two chosen peoples, and both have different destinies. The “Israel” about which Apostle John spoke was the believers in God, so the Biblical NT Israel is made of Jews and Gentiles. The Gentiles have been grafted in, and all believers share a destiny.
There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death. The truth is not about what seems practical, nor is it about what makes sense to you. The Truth is a person, and John MacArthur does not know Him.
@@MrSmeagolKitty Only God knows the human heart. And may God forgive me, as I should not have said that John MacArthur doesn't know Christ. I can't possibly know that, but I do know that many people have been led into heresy by the man, and that is not good. Is he a Christian? Maybe he believes he is, and maybe he sincerely does the best he can with what he knows. If so, I believe that counts for something. I've believed and taught false doctrines before, Lord have mercy, but God forgives, and He readily accepts sincere repentance.
the Israel of God is the saved, Jews and gentiles. God broke down the barrier between Jews and gentiles, making the two one man: no different;; Hey 11 has all of one faith; no difference. Future for Israel is that many will be born again and receive Jesus like the rest.
BORN AGAIN --- IS IT FOR THE CHOSEN, OR FOR ALL? “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again… You must be born-again… The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you, they are the Spirit and they are life.’” John 3:3, 6:63 Good is to preserve life by acting in harmony with all the laws that govern perpetual life. While, sin is to harm life with the accumulation of sin being global warming and the absolute end of all life. So, sin is suicide both for the sinner and for society. And so, why allow sin? Two thirds of the angels are in heaven all because they are most grateful for life. Such that they feel guilty for having too much and to get a clear conscience they have no choice but to own nothing and to give everything they have to those who have less. So they are good as they desire to do only good and beneficial things. On the other hand, a third of the angels are on earth because they have no gratitude for anything. Because life to them is an unalienable right, the food, land, wealth and power needed to enjoy life, also an unalienable right most ungrateful. Such that they feel guilty for having too little and to get a clear conscience they have no choice but to earn all they can earn, take all they can take, own all they can own and to be a dictator over all who are on land that they own. And so, when Eve sinned by desiring to be equal with God, causing her to experience both "good and evil," she must of had a ungrateful nature causing her to think that she deserved more. For surely, on pain of death never would any of the good angels in heaven have sinned by desiring to be equal with God. And just as God had warned, the moment Eve experienced evil by the sin of striving to be equal with God, the Holy Spirit vacated Eve’s body and her spiritual and eternal life came to an end. For that is exactly what evil is, spiritual and eternal death. So, forget the Catholic fiction of an immortal soul being tormented in an eternal hell, for without the indwelling Holy Spirit, physical death is eternal non-existence. Surely, our only hope for eternal life is to be “born-again… born by the Spirit.” "For he who controls the future has predestined a few to conform to the exact likeness of his Son…” Romans 8:29 For the idea that we may at our pleasure, choose to switch from ingrate taker to grateful giver, that we may switch from evil to good and good to evil as goes our fickle emotions, this is the product of a self absorbed mind that cares nothing about what is in the best interest of the Christian church, the heavenly realms and the grand scheme of things that God is trying to accomplish. “We love because He first loved us.” For our gratitude toward God comes not from a free will decision to love God, most certainly not from the freedom to sin by an ingrate rejection of God, but by such an overpowering awareness that we have been chosen from among many to share in the earth made new. Therefore, as God gave a third of the angels and virtually all humans an ingrate nature that feels guilty if ever it misses an opportunity to take all it can take, a most loving God must have a good purpose in mind. Therefore, what this planet of the ingrates is all about, is to reach the ultimate conclusion of a world where it is impossible to perform an act of love. For no matter how great is our compassion, pity or charity, the sure result is to inflate pride. And so, how is God to prove that in a fair and just society, gratitude is the power above all the powers there be, even above the power of God you see, the only motivation controlling the relationship between you and me? For Satan claims that the morality of gratitude is actually slavery, that the morality of giving compassion, pity and charity while expecting nothing in return but gratitude, that it is nothing more than God’s deceitful way to gain everyone’s obedience and worship so that God could hoard all the power and glory in order to control all the wealth. Truth is, that since the beginning of civilization the upper-half of society has hoarded all the land, knowledge, wealth, political power and healthcare. Not to say that those in the lower-half are any less of an ingrate, for one billion humans are slowly starving to death and the 50% working poor does hardly a thing to end it. And so, from Able who was martyred for producing gratitude toward God, to the prophets of Israel martyred for their devout gratitude toward God, to John the Baptist, to Christ and to all the most grateful remnant who have always followed in the footsteps of Christ: How can it be said that when a martyr lays down his life to defend the cause of his master, that he was motivated by anything other than the power of a grateful heart? For it is not the fault of God that most prefer quick pleasure over permanent happiness. The logic being, that when ungrateful Eve sinned by desiring to be equal with God, by experiencing both "Good and evil," it was the death of her spirit and an addiction to pleasure impossible to repent of. For even with Christ crucified, 95% of humans either reject morality or became addicted to the pleasure of a fake salvation with no morality. Yes, God gave Adam and Eve an ungrateful nature with the propensity to sin, but, how else could we know for an absolute fact that the pleasures of sin were not a good thing, unless we experience the ultimate conclusion and global warming of such a satanic thing?
"Israel" is the name God bestowed upon Jacob after he wrestled with the Lord. Jacob believed in God's Eternal Covenant which we know has been ratified in Christ. Since we believers have studied the Scriptures and have read that God shows no partiality in His calling, then "genetics" does not discuss God's calling. Believers struggle to believe God, in Christ, the only Righteous One, as did Jacob. Believers "gather together around Christ" as did the remnant of the nation of Israel. "Israel" is the name that says, "believer, and, "Church," is a name that says "believer."
For Crying out loud. Christ's sacrifice is the fulfillment of the law and all promises of the old testament. It should be enough. Christ (of the line of David, as promised) is king. There is no alternate universe for the Jews to get their special savior.
does not the New Testament interpret the OT? Do not N.T. authors interpret the OT, and do they not clearly state that the Israel of God is the Church and that we now are a kingdom of priests and kings. ?
read ephesians 2. and Hosea. who was grafted in to what? what tree where the jews broken off of? This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our fathers. He received living oracles to give to us. congregation=assembly=ἐκκλησίᾳ (ekklēsia)=church There is one body and one Spirit-just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call- 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. we are all one in HIM, ISRAEL
🤔The death knell of Dispensationalism is inter alia located in the 1917 Scofield "Bible" at Scofield's commentary on John 1:17, to wit: "...As a dispensation, grace begins with the death and resurrection of Christ ... The point of testing is no longer legal obedience as the condition of salvation, but acceptance or rejection of Christ..." but what does God say in Romans 4:8 "...for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness..." hence Abraham was saved by the grace of God through the faith of Jesus Christ [Romans 3:22 LXX] - for the Law was not only given to Moses AFTER Abraham's death [except if you take the 1st law as obedience to God, Gen 2:16&17] but alas there is no salvation but through Jesus Christ - Acts 4:12. And we all know Abe was a sinner; lying and scheming.
Jmac is erroneous about no Jews being left after Armageddon. This is one of the reasons why he's caught up in the error of pre trib rapture theory that is only 100 yrs old. Isaiah talks about Jews being carried back from other nations back to Israel. So there are Jews left.
If you say anything that happens is insignificant, you don't believe in God. However, just because a group of modern rabbinical Jews established a State and called it "Israel", does not mean that they are the Israel mentioned in Scripture. What the actual significance is, only time will tell, but one thing is for sure, if you reckon yourself a follower of Christ: Jesus Christ is the King of Israel, and He is High Priest forever, according to the order of Melchizedek. The Gospel tells of His victory, and if you believe it, you repent. Whether you are Jew or Gentile, repent and be baptized. "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand." Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Stop this worldly nonsense.
He butchers the opponents viewpoint in this. It's not an accurate view of conventional thought. The Israel of old was not merely ethic people, it was believers within the covenant community. There where man sojourners who became circumcised and were part of the family of God. They share in those promises always have. The Lord merely dealt primarily with nation Israel which was primarily ethic by flesh in the OT while the gentiles where a minority. And in the NT the Lord deals primarily with the Gentiles with the ones who were Jews by flesh being the minority. Much more can be said on this. Key is in the makeup of the nation in the OT which people who are dispen. overlook
Pre-Tribulation and Pre-Wrath are not the same thing, nor is the Great Tribulation and the Wrath of God the same event. Tribulation - Thilipsis [G2347] = pressure, persecution, trouble, burdened, affliction, anguish. Wrath - Orgay [G3709] = indignation, punishment, anger, vengeance, violent, abhorrence. The translators did not get this one wrong. Teach that, Johnny Mac. Peace
@@therealtrabo because MacArthur is portraying this as "just what the Bible teaches" its more a comment on how he convinces people about lots of ahistoric beliefs.
@@Superb-Owl-615 I understand that. I think what is lacking is a willingness to be wrong, and I think that is something I don’t see much from MacArthur. But I think if he is convinced in his own mind about some things then he is free to explain those things in such a way as well. Affirming everything he says as being Biblically accurate without nuance would be an issue though.
I knew a dear brother who was a great evangelist, and he was a typical dispensationalist. He confessed once that “once a pb. (Plymouth brethren- Darby) always a pb. “ in other words, this shoddy hermeneutics is very hard to be delivered from.
This is absolutely TRUE from SCRIPTURE, not MacArthur! God doesn’t lie! He made an unconditional covenant with Israel & He’s keeping it before our very eyes! Israel HAS been regathered in unbelief just as Romans 9-11 says & all Israel WILL BE SAVED. AND reformed theologians skip over Romans 9-11; I know this, because I’ve talked with Reformed preachers.
Macarthur is confused about the Gospel of the kingdom in the first part of Matthew versus the gospel of Jesys going to the cross in the latter part of Mathew.
New Covenant Israel Theology God made a New Covenant with the house of Israel into which 11 Israelites, having been discipled by God's genuine Son, entered. When Jesus of Nazareth (while still on the cross) drank the fruit of the vine, that New Covenant became active. Since Jesus had never sinned, all the blessing of the law of Moses became His inheritance- and the Treasury of New Covenant Israel. Since then, the gospel has been believed by gentiles who have been adopted into the house of Israel.
Dispensationalism teaches the gospel changes during the 7 year tribulation and also believe the 7 year Tribulation is a different age in and of itself. The great Tribulation cannot be a different age than the church age because the great tribulation is only one of the several signs. I do not fit into covenant theology or dispensationalism. And also I donor believe the gospel changes during the Tribulation. If it did, someone having a copy of the Bible reading John 3:16 or Romans 10:9 would no longer be able to be saved by those messages; when Jesus said whosoever believes in Him, Romans says whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord. It does not say except your are alive during the Great Tribulation.
May we allow Scripture to speak for itself and form our system of belief. Not the other way around. Sadly, the majority in the church today practice the latter over the former. Thus, they miss out on very precious truths that have already been revealed to us by God in His Word through the Holy Spirit. Such a mindset has resulted to much impotence in the Christian church that should be having a more positive influence on the world today. Dispensationalism has limited our understanding of Scripture to the literal. Even Dispensationalist preachers themselves also do not interpret all Scripture literally. That is because not all literary genre can be interpreted that way, and there are different genres in God's Word. One who confines himself to a single approach to studying Scripture has already made his first wrong step that increases as he continues in that path. Indeed ethnic Israel has a specific role to carry out in God's sovereign redemptive plan. And their rejection of Jesus Christ was part of it, that brought the Gospel to us. Thus, we are to be humbled and grateful to God. But Christ Himself said that "The Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation, producing the fruit of it." (Matt 21:43) Such was the mystery revealed to the Apostle Paul. For God's ultimate plan is not for the salvation and redemption of the Jews alone but for the Gentiles and His entire creation! For there is only one tree and one root who is God. The natural branches is ethnic Israel. Some were broken off because of unbelief so we, Gentiles might be grafted in. Thus, the Apostle Paul states that all of us are one in Christ (Gal. 3:28). This simply supports his theological presentation in Romans as to how and when Abraham was declared righteous, which was prior to his circumcision (ergo as a Gentile) that is but a sign of his faith in God. Hebrews notes Abel, Enoch, Noah, etc. (non-Jews, ergo, Gentiles too but who have the faith as Abraham's) as partakers of what we have in Christ by faith. Indeed God is not through with Israel as with the other nations. Thus, may we all the more carry out the Great Commission. And as we do so, let us focus more on the One True Israel of God, the Lord Jesus (Matt. 2:13-14) who tore down the dividing wall between Jew and Gentile because God's goal is to make us, "one new man" in Christ (Eph. 2:14). Please notice too that the Lord Jesus has only one bride, not two. I will also not postpone Christ's kingship and rule as Scripture declares it (Dan. 7:13-14, Matt. 28:18 & ff, Lk. 11:17-20) I recognize His kingship and rule here and now because of three reasons: 1) God said it, 2) it was the secret to the success of the early church, and 3) it is what our world needs today. So let's do our part in this. Thank you.
Is MacArthur really that ? the fact that he has a study Bible doesn’t surprise me as so did scofield, the whole idea of rapture and Zionism started in 1909. Wait did he just say when God Says something he means it, but the Catholic death cookie is a symbol. No one taught this dumb stuff for the first 1900 years.
Don’t be. McArthur is just one of the many who have taught church tradition for so long that they are blinded to the truth as revealed in Scripture. All this talk of “literal” interpretation has men like McArthur deceiving themselves. What may be worse is when they are not necessarily deceived but willfully ignorant of what Jesus and the inspired writers actually taught about the Kingdom of Heaven. This comment section is inadequate for a proper introduction to what McArthur referred to as covenant theology. So, do yourself a favor and get a book called “Christianity’s Great Dilemma” by Glen Hill. Mr Hill had been a pastor for 40 years preaching “Jesus is Coming Soon” until soon lost it’s meaning and he could no longer in good conscience preach a future kingdom. He determined to search the Scripture allowing scripture to interpret scripture. His book is fruit of his study. Grab your Bible and study along. One thing Mr McArthur will not tell you is that dispensationalism has been in decline for decades now as more and more true believers search out truth for themselves and don’t just trust the pastor to teach anything but what they were programmed to teach at Bible college and seminary.
The world will be destroyed by Jesus on His triumphant return, by an all consuming, fire and unless one repents and places ALL faith & belief in Jesus Christ alone, that person will be burned with the rest of the unbelieving world, regardless of ethnicity.
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! I don't need to comment more.
DISPENSATIONAL DELUSION'S RESULTS It amazes me, that while most dispensational preachers understand that the events foretold to occur in MT 23 and 24 center around, and come to completion, at the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70ad; then have the misguided fortitude to suddenly jump 2000 years into the future when Jesus includes his coming and the gathering right there within the very same texts! And it expressed as being IMMEDIATELY after the events in the previous verses! Because of the rise of Dispensationalism in the Church in the early 1900s, with its futuristic perspective of the New Testament prophecies; are we supposed to accept their premise that the first century believers, all the New Testament writers, the Holy Spirit, Jesus the Christ Himself, AND even God the Father, ALL got it completely and totally wrong, as to the timing and nature of the events foretold in holy writ? Especially when they ALL held to the perspective that their fulfillment was to be in that first century? Well, I am not persuaded by spiritual blindness! All of the New Testament writers, inspired by the Holy Spirit, wrote their texts to their first century readers, prophesying that the resurrection and the coming of the Lord were to occur in that generation then living and breathing at that time. There was no confusion or misunderstanding on the matter! Now, here is what we MUST conclude: Either the resurrection and the coming of the Lord did happen when and how they said it would; or God just flat out lied to them! And if God did lie; what else might he have lied about? And can you really trust the bible which you don't believe is actually true and accurate, since you don't believe those prophecies have happened? Do you see how your believing that the bible, with its prophecies, are both true and accurate is the paramount of your faith? You must choose one way or the other! God requires that you believe what he has preserved. Choose..........
Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." I'm so glad people like you exist to correct Jesus (sarcasm).
@@VFXShawn Ah yes, the day and the hour. May I suggest that it was "the day and the hour" WITHIN THAT GENERATION. Jesus said several times that all the things he had prophesied about were to come in that generation. The one standing right in front of him! But the precise day and hour in that generation was the Father's choosing.
@@makarov138 Acts 1:7 "And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." It is not for us to know the times or seasons either! Not the hour, not the day, not the time or the season! But of course you know, so I am thankful to have people like you who know better than Jesus (sarcasm).
@@VFXShawn Ah. Once again you've stopped too soon to get the idea. Just two decades later, Paul told his first century readers, by having his letter read aloud to them: 1Thess 5:1-5 " But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For YOU (THEM) yourselves KNOW PERFECTLY that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And THEY shall NOT ESCAPE. 4 But YOU, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake YOU as a thief. 5 YOU are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness." You see, just two decades later, the Thessalonians did in fact know the times and the seasons perfectly! Paul said so. And THAT Day would not catch THEM to destruction. THAT Day had to occur while some of THEM were alive to even be possible to "overtake" THEM. And this is why futuristic Dispensationalism is such a heretical false doctrine. It destroys the integrity and validity of God's word. And makes the NT writers false prophets! Heresy upon heresy!!
@@makarov138 You misinterpreted what Paul said. Paul did not say they know the times or the seasons, Paul said they know perfectly that the Day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night (the Day of the Lord, Joel 2:2). Paul said he doesn't need to write unto them about such times, because that day doesn't belong to them. They are children of the day, not of the night, they will never see the night, because they will be gathered before the Day of the Lord (2 thess 2:1-2). Paul is writing to assure his readers (the Body of Christ) that they will never see the Day of the Lord, the time of Jacob's trouble, the great tribulation and the wrath of God. Paul is not saying they know when the night will begin, Paul is saying he has no need to write to them about it, because that day isn't for them. Paul says to not let anyone trouble them about that day (2 thess 2:2), because that time of trouble has nothing to do with the Body of Christ. According to 70 AD believers like yourself, the Day of the Lord was soon at hand upon Jerusalem when Paul was writing (contradicting Paul's own words in 2 thess 2:2), and since Paul was writing to Gentiles who lived outside of Jerusalem, why would Paul's audience even care about it? It wouldn't effect them even if it was happening while Paul was writing! Your interpretation makes no sense.
Your wrong pastor dispensations are time periods through out the bible from Genesis right through Revelation, 8 dispensations to be exact. Different times for different people, and different types of SALVATION rightly dividing the word of truth. We are in the dispensation of the day of Grace, Paul's gospel. Before that was the Gospel of the kingdom and before the was the law.
Galatians 3.28-29 is pretty clear, that Christ is the fulfillment of the promises, and those outside of Him will perish.
And Galatians 3:7
I have dispensationalist telling me that Israel will be saved no matter what because of the eternal, Abrahamic covenant. I tell them about the new covenant in Christ and they mock me, call me all sorts of names. They say I don't read the Bible, I am a liar, antisemite, etc. I've even been called Satan. They are so indoctrinated (brainwashed) by this false system that it has them completely blinded. They make an idol out of Israel/Jews. And how they butcher the Scriptures! It's very bizarre.
And what does that have to do with Israel being saved? Nobody is arguing Israel is saved without Christ
Guess there's no literal male and female then either
@@Vulpizar You miss the point entirely. Galatians 3:27-29 "For those of you who were baptized into Christ have been clothed with Christ. There is no Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female; since you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to the promise." The point is that IN CHRIST there are none of these distinctions. All are ONE in Christ.
Galatians 3:28-29. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”
Thank you for defining this for a greater understanding. Dispensationalism has made the scriptures clear and sensible to understand. Places scripture events in view from the prophets that are easy to understand. The future of Israel is clear throughout the Bible and seen clearly in Revelation.
Indeed.
Dispensationalism is a heresy created to destroy Christianity and to justify Talmudic Judaism. Avoid it at all costs. Without Dispensationalism there would not be a genocide taking place in the Middle East right now.
He said it himself,,, he grew up with Scofield's notes
The Schofield Bible and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
In other words, handicapped from the very beginning...
@@georgefisher8610 Yes...... I live in Honduras, working in Christian education and missions, and here Scofield's influence has taken over the evangelical church here, in a very bad way. What is incredible is that nobody has done their research, and don't even know that for 1900 years, nobody had ever come up with such a script,,,, yet they believe it because it was taught to them :(
Exactly! Totally delusional!
He is defeating his own argument by stating, "dyspensationalism" IS NOT a system of interpretation of scripture.
That's exactly what it is. A system of understanding the Bible. The question now is whether it is the best way to understand scripture. I say no due to its many errors in its many misinterpretations.
How can Christians honestly claim that God is going to favor a people who openly and radically oppose Christ and His message? Maybe there is a future for Israel but it must be for a people who accept Christ, not the current lot who work against Him at every turn.
Imo, and this is a psychological view, literalist Protestants have a huge problem. They read the bible, and it’s pretty clear God has his favorite people, and they aren’t them.
Yes exactly and anyone who accepts Christ is therefore a Christian and no longer a pagan or a Jew. There is no such thing as a messianic Jew, that's impossible. You can't be antichrist and a believer at the same time
God is keeping his promise to Abraham. During thr Tribulation. It’s also known as the time of Jacob’s trouble. Many Israelites will be saved by turning to Christ as Messiah.
Because HE came to die for sinners not those who think they are righteous
@@AreJay_ God doesn't favour people because of their DNA.
Love MacArthur! The Lord has greatly used him. A great and faithful man of God. RC Sproul would agree. ❤
Thanks for posting this clip!
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
But *in every nation* he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
{Acts 10:34-35}
Again...
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.
{Romans 2:10-11}
Simply correct, there is a difference between Israel and the church.
This is absolutely true, correct and straight from scripture.
Feelings don’t lead us, Sound Doctrine does. God’s Word is true whether we like it or not.
Little more complicated I would say but your hearts in the right place for sure
God's word is true indeed, whether you understand it or not. See 2 Peter 3:16. God bless you, sister. Beware of false teachers.
The rapture is a small part of the dispensationalist view. The dispensationalist view is more than a system of theology it's simply believing the bible in its literal grammatical sense.
The fall of Jerusalem was the vindication of Jesus as the Son of God.
He told the disciples, Jerusalem would be destroyed.
He told the Sanhedrin that Jerusalem would be destroyed.
He told the world thru the apostles witness that Jerusalem would be destroyed
And in the book of Revelation He gave the detailed specifics of Jerusalem’s destruction. All of it was to convince the world and all of History that He was God when His prophecies came true.
That history of Jerusalem’s destruction documents the truth of all of Jesus prophecies about the end of Old Covenant Israel.
When Jerusalem was destroyed it was the vindication of Jesus’ proof that He was indeed God incarnate, knowing the end from the beginning.
Is it any wonder that the strategy to bury Christ’s proof as God would be to bury the history of Jerusalem’s destruction and therefore the literal fulfillment of His prophecies?
And to teach that all of it was to be in our future, making Christ’s clear words to His own apostles that He would return in their lifetime “a lie.”
Revelation 1:1-3 (KJV)
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; …3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Mat 10:23
Jesus coming in wrath... and when.
Matthew 24:36
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
I'm so glad people like you exist to correct Jesus (sarcasm).
Jesus even said it will happen in this generation, meaning his own generation.
@@velociray Actually no "this" means the generation that see the signs spoken of. Those signs have not taken place yet, the generation that sees those signs will be the generation that sees the 2nd coming of Christ, the building up of Zion (Psalm 102:16), the flowing of the nations to Jerusalem (Isaiah 2). This has not happened yet. Zechariah 14 is the clearest picture of the 2nd coming of Christ, read it, and you will see it did not happen yet.
@ShawnKaron Or... they did happen as testified to by Tiberius, Josephus, and even John was a witness to. Jesus spoke of his judgment on this wicked and evil generation of unbelieving Jews. 70AD proved Jesus was a prophet.
The best I have heard on this in a longtime.....A leaky Calvinist....
This is a lesson in the straw man argument. It would really be great if JMac would actually deal with what covenant theology really teaches.
Or even what the Orthodox Church has been teaching for almost 2,000 years.
You can’t throw out national future Israel
Dispensational is not complicated its simply rightly dividing the word of God to the correct time period and to the correct people. "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Tim. 2:15
We should follow the Bible, that's all. No greek, no jew, neither slave, nor free, no male and female. One Church united in Christ.
Distinct from Israel as a nation.
For ye are all the children of God *by faith in Christ Jesus*
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. {Galatians 3:26-29}
Every promise to Israel was made under the Old Covenant of the law, the old agreement between heaven and earth. Under the law no flesh could be justified because man was incapable of fulfilling the law perfectly. That’s why God’s plan was always to fulfill the old covenant with the new covenant. (Jer.31:31)Under the new covenant Jesus fulfilled the law thereby becoming eligible to give his righteous soul to the Father as a substitute for sinful man, and why God could accept it as payment, as an atonement. The Jews today still claim they can become righteous under the law. But what does the law say,
Galatians 3:10-11 (NKJV)
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." Duet.27:26
11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith." Hab.2:4
Galatians 3:7-9
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."
9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
This is now the meaning of “who the blessed are and who the cursed are.” Under the new covenant if you believe in Messiah but confess that He is not Christ Jesus then you show yourselves as “anti-Christ” according to the Spirit’s testimony thru John.
1 John 2:22-23
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is Messiah? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Now what religion today believes in Messiah but “confesses” that He is not Jesus?
With all due respect, you are way off on this topic.
You need to go and study the Noaic Covenant, the Abrahamic covenant, and the Mosaic Covenant.
Noaic covenant God promised to never drown the earth in a catastrophic flood again.
In the Abrahamic covenant God promised an eternal covenant with Israel that they would Inherit a land and rule over it. And be a great nation. That covenant was not dependent on Israel being obedient or not. God made a unilateral covenant with them. That covenant has yet to be fulfilled
The Mosaic covenant was a temporary covenant God made with Israel that came with blessings and cursing for their obedience ir lack there of. That covenant ended with the death of Jesus. That was the law they were under. That was fulfilled In Christ.
We are all under grace. Those promises God made with Israel under the Abrahamic covenant are not about grace or works that pertain to the church. It was specifically for Israel.
Read Romans chapter 11. God set Israel aside temporarily. Got focused on us the church till the times of the Gentiles are complete. When that happens He will again focus on His chosen people/ nation Israel and save them. A temporary hardening came to Israel, not permanent. Again Read Romans chapter 11.
God does not change. There is no "old" or "new" with God. The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the earth for all who repent and believe in Him. And there is a chosen people who is still scattered and they are Israelites, not Israelis.
Islam
"the law" is of Edomite Pharisees. Look up "Talmud" and "noahide laws", which are anti-Christ.
@Scribeintheink God gave Noah the 10 commandments, satan gave his children the noahides to eradicate the children of Jacob-Israel (John 8.44) They slaughtered the Messiah and continue to go after the children of Jacob-Israel with a sword. Gen 27.40, Amos 1.11.
If you think that is "impressive" you are one of them.
'Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying , In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. '
Galatians 3:7-9
Romans 9:6
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Pretty clear to me
Amen to the Israel of God and for those who are Jew after the inward man :)!
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
But who is Israel when Paul says not all Israel is Israel?
Zionists? Anti-Zionism Torah Judaism types? Messianic Jws who say no to both of the aforementioned?
6:10 The difference/definition between the "CHURCH" & "ISRAEL" in Dispensationalism.
7:45 What is Dispensationalism?
12:25 Covenant Theologian...definition.
Romans 9 says explicitly that the true people of God are those who are born of God via the promise of salvation, through Isaac. “Not all who are of Israel are Israel”. The true Israel is not the natural seed line of Abraham but rather the spiritual
Seed of Abraham. Those who believe regardless of their ethnic origins. The church doesn’t replace Israel - the church IS Israel. Read Paul’s letter in Romans.
Wrong 100%
No matter what eschatological school you adhere to, you should read "There Really Is A Difference" by Renald E Showers. It explores the history of eschatological thought down from the time of the 1st C Church. It is a biblical explanation.
Just ordered a copy from Amazon. Thanks for the tip.
It amazes me how many seminary students do not study church history. So many doctrines have been dealt with by the church down through history.
Got it... in line for next read for me.
@@getx1265 Easy read. He has other books and you can find him here on YT. Passed away last yr or the yr before.
Bob Hutton, here, from England. I've just come across your comment and would like you to know that I read this book some years ago and it is excellent.😊😊 I would also recommend Dispensationalism by C C Ryrie.
Whatever view you hold is not important to eternal life in Jesus Christ. Ok for scholars to speak about this but please don’t introduce new believers into eschatology, it will cause discord into new believers.
The man who preaches about everything being symbolic, nothing material, suddenly, changes to:
Literally, you must vow down to ✡️ "don't you know they are superior to you ("chosen") !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And they [the Jew] also, *if they abide not still in unbelief* shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in *again*
{Romans 11:23}
If you go back and listen... note how he says you need to provide proof based on his system of interpretation... literal, grammatical, historical..
These three things are only a small part of interpreting scripture... The greatest is biblical... as in the whole.
Love the man and he is a brother no doubt.
How do you “Biblically” interpret Biblical text?
@MasonMcKenna-bx8fn
What I mean is this: I believe according to scripture that there is One God. We would agree on that for sure! I also agree with you that there is ONE savior in Jesus Christ's death and resurrection...
What we may disagree on (only because I don't know you) is the difference between "Isreal" and the church... again, I don't know you.... but you've probably been taught that the church of our risen Lord and Isreal are separate... am I correct?
So dogmatic is the Dispensationalists view that Mr MacArthur calls any one who doesn’t agree ‘Anti-Semitic’. I find that alarming.
Where does he call everyone who disagrees anti-Semitic? I’d be interested to see that and hear exactly what he said.
@@alanmunch5779 yes, it’s good to check it out what it actually said. The only one I can remember is when he does an interview with. I think it’s Ben Shapiro. Other than that people have told me, that this is what he believes, but it is right to check it out and I’ll be happy to be corrected if I’m wrong Or if I have exaggerated, what is said
@@alanmunch5779 hi Ben shapiro Sunday special ( five years ago) episode 89 about 8 tenths of the way through the interview. He refuse the idea that the church replaces Israel, which, personally I think he’s got that slightly wrong anyway, but then he goes on to say that it’s a latent form of antisemitism. Check it out.
@@alanmunch5779 Sorry, it was episode 29
@@davidrichard2761 Thanks, I’ll look it up in a few minutes. I think there’s a big difference between saying a theological view is a latent form of, or has roots in, anti-Semitism, and that anyone who disagrees with him is anti-Semitic. From what I know of John M, he has many friends among fellow ministers whom he disagrees with on this issue, but he gets along with them very well and shares a platform at regular conferences, etc. I doubt he would label them personally as anti-Semitic.
Great defense of "Dispensationalism." The only logical interpretation of OT and NT prophecy.
Jesus Christ is Israel and all who are in Christ is Israel. All of Scripture is about Christ!
The Orthodox Church is Israel, and all who are in Christ are in the Orthodox Church. You read well the Scriptures. Now all you need is the Organism through which the Holy Spirit gave you said Scriptures.
The dispensationalists also use labels such as "replacement theology" which is a really disingenuous label because covenant theology doesn't replace anything. I'm glad John didn't chose to use that label.
Covenant theology is right in our face... all you have to do is read the New Testament. And that doesn't negate the previous covenants AT ALL. The argument that Covenant theology implies that there's no future for Israel which is a straw man argument... quite disingenuous or at its worst, intentionally deceitful.
All those who believe and repent are grafted in and no one comes to the father except those who come to him through Jesus. No doubt that the Holy Spirit will do great works to that end in the last days with a multitude of Gentiles and Jews coming to faith who to that point rejected Yeshua Hamashiach (Jesus as the Messiah).
As far as imminence goes, I'm not sure how anyone, setting aside their preconceived notions aside, can read Matthew 24 and 25 and come to the conclusion that Jesus can come at any time and that there will be a pre-trib rapture. There are a whole host of things Jesus tells us that must happen first. Those alive at the time will know the SEASON through things such as the killing of the two witnesses, the antichrist demanding worship of him, mass persecution and the last of which is the darkening of the sun and moon immediately followed by the rapture prior to God taking his wrath on Earth. There's not a third second coming or a second final trumpet.
Yashua said nothing about a pre- trib rapture or any kind of a rapture for that matter. He did say he would return. Acts 1:11 says how.
What I’m wondering is, if Israel is meant to come back and build a temple, which is mainly for animal sacrifice, what happens next? What exactly are they supposed to do there since in dispensationalism all of human history sort of revolves around gods promises to Jewish people? It can’t just be that they’ll be there practicing animal sacrifice while gentiles will be everywhere else practicing Christianity separately. What exact role are they supposed to play after the apocalypse?
Also, my understanding is that, at least in the OT, god only helped them to return when they repented back to proper faith in Judaism. There are verses that say the land will vomit them out if they’re not faithful to the mosaic law. Most of the people who founded Israel in ‘48 were atheists and marxists. Even today polls in Israel show about 70% are atheist. Is there any verse that says they’ll return even if they’re not properly religious?
The Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth is the only sacrifice. All others are satanic. Beware the lying pens of the scribes. It is all about heart and not penis circumcision.
"Gentiles" and "goy" are fictions fabricated to obscure the identity of the real and true Jacob-Israel who is still scattered. What God has scattered, He will gather.
@Scribeintheink Esau will never believe in Messiah, he has his own "god". John 8.44, 2 Thess 2.
I can explain perhaps. Let's start with the covenant God made with Israel in Genesis 15 :18 where He told Abraham to get a bunch of animals and cut them in half. And then a deep darkness and terror fell upon Abraham, and a smoking torch and oven passed between the halves of the animals
" On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abraham and said, " To your descendants I give this land from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates..."
Notice that Abraham was out of it...he did not and could not participate during this event. That signifies that it was really only a one way covenant because God already knew His people Israel could NOT keep the covenant. " While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" is the new covenant that WE also can't keep, but God keeps us despite our propensity to sin, as long as we keep returning to Him . Understand this and it helps understand that God is not going back on His eternal covenant with Abraham. So all the prophecies about the physical land of Israel, the literal people of Israel, the literal third temple of Israel are going to happen.
Notice the reinforcement of this in Luke ch 1vs 72-73 where after having his tongue loosened by the Holy Spirit , Zechariah the father of John the Baptist makes a declaration which includes this...
" To show mercy to our fathers and to REMEMBER HIS HOLY COVENANT, THE OATH HE SWORE TO OUR FATHER ABRAHAM..."
Which oath was that? The one in Genesis 15;18.
Read Deuteronomy 30. 1-6.Also read genesis 18: 18 and19. And exodus 19:5 @Scribeintheink
MacArthur's is correct on the definition, wrong on his interpretation. And I'm so confused why, lol
He grew up with the false Scofield bible.
@@MacD4m0 Lol, and what's crazy is he admits to it.
Yes just like when he said that Generation. Yes that Generation. No us and then and all that. When he said you he meant who he was talking to.
I've found Dispensationalism to be alarming, even more so Covenant Theology. Finally, I can make SOME sense of the whole rotten thing.
Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the COMMONWEALTH of ISRAEL, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
BUT now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh *by the blood of Christ*
For he is our peace, who hath made both [Jew and Gentile] one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments [not the ten commandments] contained in ordinances; for to make in himself *of twain* ONE NEW MAN, so making peace;
And that he might reconcile BOTH unto God in ONE BODY by the cross, *having slain the enmity thereby*
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
{Ephesians 2:11-18}
Now therefore ye [Gentile Ephesian] are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, (B.C.) and of the household of God;
And are *built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets Jesus Christ* himself being the chief corner.
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an *holy temple in the Lord*
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God *through* the Spirit.
{Ephesians 2:19-22}
John has spent the last 50 years devoted to Scripture. He has the bible knowlage and the Holy Spirit to guide him.
This is a little misleading. Dispensation does mean stewardship but it is used by many to imply there were 7 different periods of time in which salvation was achieved in a particular way. MacArthur is obscuring the meaning. I carried a Schofield Bible under my arm for 20 years. It's a different Gospel no matter how you slice it.
I agree. The need for "dispensation" arises because "jews" are not "the chosen people". They are Esau.
@Scribeintheink You do err and lack understanding, having never read the Gospels. You are on Esau´s payroll.
So it wasn't Israel that received the New Covenant in Acts 2?
I respect Dr. Macarthur and appreciate his influence on my life as a believer in Jesus Christ. But I believe his eschatology is flawed. He must be cautious because he is teaching others. I don't want him leading others in the wrong path. Dispensationalism has questionable - even shady roots. It is the newest school of thought in Christian Eschatology that only emerged only in the 1830s.
Their teaching on a pre-tribulation rapture of the church was a result of a supposed prophecy given in tongues and interpreted during a gathering of the Plymouth Brethren at Reverend Irving's Catholic Apostolic Church (who still believe in apostles existing up to this day).
Samuel Prideaux Tregellus, a brilliant New Testament Scholar of textual criticism and a great and saintly man of God who belonged to that group said, "I wasn't aware of any definite teaching of a secret rapture of the church and of a secret coming until this was given forth as an utterance in Mr. Irvinng's Church and from what was then received as the voice of the Spirit." The teaching caused a divide in the church among those who accepted it and those who didn't. J.N. Darby embraced and even promoted it. Other brethren like B.W. Newton, Robert Chapman, and George Muller didn't.
Solid Biblical Doctrine should be based on careful exegesis and hermeneutics of God's Holy Word, not on prophecies outside of Scripture. I do not understand how Dr. MacArthur cannot see where he is erring and to which he will be accountable to God on that Day. May the Lord open his eyes regarding this matter. 🙏🙏🙏
It really sounds like John takes Scofield's notes as scripture more than the Scripture itself...
The New Testament defines what a true Israelite is, funny that.
Scripture. Only !!
6and now for the hope of the promise made to the fathers by God, I have stood judged, 7to which our twelve tribes, intently serving night and day, hope to come, concerning which hope I am accused, King Agrippa, by the Jews;
[From Acts 26]
4who are Israelites, whose [is] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the lawgiving, and the service, and the promises, 5whose [are] the fathers, and of whom [is] the Christ, according to the flesh, who is God over all, blessed for all ages. Amen
[From Romans 9]
The problem is that so many teachers ignore the fact that the prophets taught the difference between Israel and Judah. They ignore the fact that two tribes of Israel remained as a remnant in Judah while ten tribes of Israel became outcasts scattered among the gentiles- but with a promise to be re-gathered to Lebanon and Gilead.
Benjamin and Levi were the remnant of Israel that received the gospel and began caring it to the lost sheep of the house of Israel scattered abroad.
Does Jesus say he's going to take us to heaven? I thought he said he's going to make everything like it is in heaven.
That's what he said. Read Acts 1:11. That doesn't sound like a secret rapture to me.
he only took the jews that were alive at the time to heaven thats why he said some of you shall not taste of death. the rest died and the gentiles remained alive. there is no rapture for the gentile its just made up modern private interpretations thats why they always have to refer to the greek and do all this dissecting and call it exigesis
I'm confused, is he saying, that God will set Israel up as a nation when they believe on Jesus or before they accept him as the risen savior. There's a few more things that don't add up for me. For instance God said in Ecclesiastes 1: 4 that people will live and die, but the earth continues forever ( NCV), in 2 Peter 3: 10-12 says that everything will be destroyed. Point being which one is literal as Dr. MacAuthur
Except for the pre-trib rapture message, he says some correct things.
The problem I have is people making an idol of modern Isreal/Jews, usually in the service of US foreign policy
Many of the people in Israel are Kazakhstan and kenites.
Awesome!! Doctor MacArthur. If someone disagrees with him, get a KJV, pray, and then study the Word with an open heart and mind. If you can understand the words this pastor uses, you should be able to read the king’s English.
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For *they are not all Israel* which are of Israel:
*Neither because they are the seed of Abraham* are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, They which are *the children of the flesh these are not the children of God* but *the children of the promise* are counted for the seed.
{Romans 9:6-8}
Now we, [Galatians] brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
{Galatians 4:28-29}
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and
upon *the Israel of God*
{Galatians 6:15-16}
I'm a mid tribulation guy myself, not because I know a whole lot or I'm some kind of modern day prophet or anything:) HA! I just figure it's the safest bet. LOL! No, just teasing a little, it's so confusing really, and to me it mostly depends on who's defining "pre" what's that mean exactly? For example, take the Mark of the Beast, and man not able to buy or sale, there has to be some people who won't take the mark, saved people to be sure, sinners won't have a problem taking it. So, the question is, does the world and the "church" in the world think when the Mark of the Beast is running rampant we could call that tribulation? Also, there's a scripture in Daniel, to paraphrase says something like "if you can't run with the footmen, what will you do when the horsemen come." I don't know, like I said, mid seems safer:)
Jesus tells Israel he won’t be back until they accept him. That makes them Christian and part of the Church. I’m not sure how many will be left at that point though.
Christian now?
@@johnygoodwin3441 , I’m not sure what you’re asking but isn’t this what Jesus tells them in Matthew 23?
@shawnglass108 I'm just asking whether they are Christians now and if not should we blindly support them whatever they do?
@@johnygoodwin3441, No..Judaism is not Christian. It completely rejects Jesus as the Messiah. Of course, there are messianic Jews who do recognize Jesus as the Messiah and Son Of God. They are Christian. Should we support them in everything they do? Absolutely not!..but Israel is our Ally and the terrorism being done against them is evil. It may be God using the wicked acts of an evil enemy to punish Israel for its transgressions but, just as God did with the Assyrians, God is going to punish Hamas for its evils after he’s done. I believe our job is to pray, recognize evil when we see it, and do what we can to protect innocent people and to oppose evil.
The title of this is “The Chosen Remnant,” The Chosen Remnant. So, beginning in verse 27, “Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, ‘Though the number of the sons of Israel be like the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved. For the Lord will execute His word on the earth, thoroughly and quickly.’ And just as Isaiah foretold, ‘Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left to us a posterity, we would have become like Sodom and would have resembled Gomorrah.'”
how can a remnant come out of ISRAEL, if they are not there for them to come out of?
Ezekiel 47 shows the Church in Israel in the future. Read it. Actually it's all over the place in the Old Testament. It is an Old Testament way of saying the church. The New Covenant in Jeremiah 31 is clearly applied in the Church in the New Testament in Hebrews 8. To say this applies to Israel only is silly even though it only mentions Israel and Judah in the text. Also Acts 15 at the first Counsel of the churches clearly declares the Old Covenant does not apply not only to the Gentiles for salvation and new life, but as Peter says it is also true for the Jews as well. The spiritual nature of the text is not some Texas nonsense that you use as some stick man, the spiritual nature of the text is Messianic. The meaning of the text is Spiritual, and the Spiritual story told is the Great plan of Salvation in Christ. It is the tread in the story of the whole Old Testament. It is not literalism like you are saying it is Spirit and Life. (This is true of Inspiration as well) And that Spirit and Life is Christ. John 5:38-39 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. 39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. 40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life." The Jewish leaders missed the Spiritual nature of the text. They did not know him because the Word did not "Dwell" in them. It did not "Live" in them. It was merely structural when is was clearly meant to be life. That is what Jesus told his disciples in Luke 24:44-46; 24:13-26; Acts 3: You have made theology very structural. That is not the way Jesus taught. Jesus is the Scriptures message and our message is him. Israel's salvation and eternal kingdom is the "New Jerusalem" which is also ours. You also abuse 1 Thessalonians 4. You say only the Church is mentioned in the text. But you are aware that this is a letter and that Chapter 5 is a continuation of Chapter 4 and clearly God's "wrath" (1Thess 5:9) against the wicked is present in this conversation with the believers. Of course he reiterates what he says in Chapter 4 "edify one another with these words". To say there were no converted Israelites in the Thessalonica Church and that Paul was only speaking to non Jews is absolutely absurd. This again is like Scofield's and Darby's nonsense on "rightly dividing the word" as to what applies to the Jews and what applies to the Gentiles. Very sad. All for what? To convince the "elect" in the Church that they will not go through the tribulation? Good luck Mark 13, Matt 24, Luke 21 at the Olivet Discourse is very clear that the elect will be going through the Tribulation. They are there with the Abomination of Desolation. They are there during the Great Tribulation. They are there when Christ comes in the Clouds. Don't try to go to Romans 11 and equate the "eklektos" with Israel because the elect are mentioned all over in Paul's letters to the Gentile Churches as well as Peter. They are the Chosen, they Elect. They are what Christ is. Jesus makes no distinction John 5:28-29 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth-those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." There just is no separation in any of the text you use. Is Israel going to be saved? Yes "Some of them" will. (Romans 11:14), which is another passage of Scripture that you abuse. The "all" is clearly the combination of the 2 groups, as it is in v.32. Which is what Paul is saying because v.24 makes it clear the root is Israel. The very root both Jew and Gentile are broken off of and grafted into. The Israel is the same Israel as in Romans 9:6-8 " For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring." Or as Paul says in Romans 2:28-29 "A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code." Paul is consistent in his use of Israel when applying it to the promise and salvation which is what he is doing in Chapter 11. Truth is the New Testament neither embraces Dispensationalism or Covenant Theology constructs. It teach Messianic Theology or Fulfillment Theology.
The first believers were Jews, and Gentiles were grafted in. There isnt a Gentile Church and a Jewish Israel, because the Church is not necessarily Gentile. The apostles were Jews, are they part of Isreal and the Church simultaneously yet separately?
Tragically, dispensationalism has replaced Christ with a re-emerged national Israel as the sacred centrepiece of prophecy. ✔️
Literally the Golden Calf, these guys have made millions. They love their 503c incorporations.
Go John Stott! The End Times are here again!
Dr. MacArthur, In your you Tube video of Dec.9, 2012, entitled;..."John MacArthur explains the Rapture of the Church", You make several contradictions . One, of these contradictions which I would like you to explain, concerns your declaring that the Rapture will only take place, After the "Times of the GENTILES be fulfilled", ( citing Rom.11:25 ).... which I agree is Correct,.....IF we understand such
"Times of the Gentiles", to ONLY be fulfilled at the END of the Soon coming TRIBULATION !!
But then you go on to say about the Timing of the RAPTURE, that you believe it takes place BEFORE the coming TRIBULATION !!
( and THAT, after you have declared that the RAPTURE CANNOT happen UNTIL the "TIMES of the GENTILES come in" )
So What do you do with Luke 21:24, that declares that;..."and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
As well as Rev.11:2, of the very SAME time Element, that declares;..."But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is GIVEN UNTO THE GENTILES: and the Holy City shall They TREAD UNDER FOOT Forty and Two months."
Your apparent contradiction is in my understanding REFUTED by these TWO PASSAGES, which declare that the TIMES Of the GENTILES, does NOT END, until the last day of the TRIBULATION !!!
( which incidentally, is the DAY that JESUS said He would "Raise-Up", those that the Father had Given Him. Jn.6:40 )
So please respond to my question, and Clarify, or re-examine your belief structure ???
Respectfully,
Morgan Sorensen ( Theologian, in ministry since 1963 )
from history of God's people, rapture or resurection took place from several times.. from 2 Thessalonian 2: 7, 8, and also 1 Corinthians 15: 51, 52, we know that God's church will be "taken out of the way" and then the "wicked" or the anti-christ will be "revealed", and so there will be resurrection for some before the antichrist rule and then also when the Lord Jesus comes again, for those that did not rapture just before the anti-christ reign. sorry for the late reply..
@@tinabrowny , Tiny, I suppose that your opening remark that (quote ) ...." From history of God's people, rapture or resurrection took place from several times.." ( end quote ) ....refers to Enoch and Elijah, who were both removed in their "natural bodies", and preserved to the time of their returning as the "TWO WITNESSES", in the latter half of the TRIBULATION !!
But that has NOTHING to do with the First Resurrection and subsequent RAPTURE that John MacArthur was discussing.
Also your reference to 2.Thess.2:7-8, which concerns the "Firstfruits", ( a group of Saints that represent 10% of the Whole from which they are taken ) being removed, as the "Hinderer who now letteth", that must be "taken out of the way", before the Antichrist can be "Revealed", and this Group of "Firstfruit Saints", has also nothing to do with the Main Body of the Church, ( the Eklesia ) who the scriptures declare will be the "OVERCOMERS", that will ENDURE the coming
TRIBULATION ( Rev.2:7, Rev.2:10-11, Rev.2:17, Rev.2:26, Rev.3:5, Rev.3:12, Rev.3:21. )
And we see these OVERCOMERS, in Rev.12:11, during the "latter half" of the TRIBULATION resisting the Antichrist, and
"Overcoming Him , by the Blood of the LAMB , and by the Word of their TESTIMONY" !!
However the Main Body of the Church, who are said to be the "OVERCOMERS", ( that JESUS was referring to in Mt.24:14, that would be the WITNESSES of "This Gospel of the Kingdom, that will be preached as a witness to All nations, THEN shall the End Come" ) THAT Main body, which we call "the Church" are said to remain here on Earth until "the Time of the Gentiles be fulfilled" ( Lk.21:24, Rom.11:25, Rev.11:2 )
And Tiny, it is about This ISSUE, of which John MacArthur goes on to say about the Timing of the RAPTURE, that He believes it takes place BEFORE the coming TRIBULATION !! And THAT, After he has declared that the RAPTURE CANNOT happen UNTIL the "TIMES of the GENTILES come in".
So Tiny, it seems you do not understand the Issue here, that there is a Clear CONTRADICTION in John MacArthur's presentation, which is Also emphasized in 1.Cor.15:50, where the apostle PAUL is addressing a decidedly Christian Audience calling them "Brethren", and telling Them, that even though they are Christians, yet because of their "Flesh an Blood nature", they Cannot as such, Inherit the Kingdom of Heaven !!
As they MUST all be Changed , from MORTALITY to that of IMMORTALITY, at the First RESURRECTION !!
( Before any RAPTURE Can Happen !! )
And this "FIRST RESURRECTION", is in Rev.20:4-5, said to be SEPARATED from the "SECOND RESURRECTION", which happens at the END of the MILLENIUM, By ONE-THOUSAND YEARS !! Which in turn Proves to Us, that the FIRST RESURRECTION cannot happen until the LAST DAY of the TRIBULATION !!
And we already know, that NO RAPTURE can happen until AFTER that we have been "Changed", from MORTALITY to that of IMMORTALITY , from CORRUPTION to that of IN-CORRUPTION . ( 1.Cor.15:51-53 . with 1.Thess.4:15-17 )
This then clearly REFUTES the teaching of any "Pre-Trib" Rapture ! As No rapture is possible until the first resurrection takes place, and that only happens When the "TIMES Of the GENTILES be COME IN", at the very last day of the TRIBULATION !!
So Tiny, you have in No Shape or Form, been able to answer my Question !
So could you please pass it on to John MacArthur,
for Him to give me a Response ? Thank You sir.
Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
@@sorens70601 I see you are quite well versed and do believe in what the bible says that Moses and Elijah will return. We know they had appeared a few times on earth and had witnessed the Lord's death, burial and resurrection and also communed with the Lord at the transfiguration, and hence, they are qualified to preach the gospel during the antichrist ruling when no one will preach the gospel anymore then. These 2 witnesses are the 2 olives trees of God, Moses and Elijah (Rev 11:4). Their appearances on earth had been misunderstood by many as the ministering spirit type angels and causing confusion and into believing that angels are like human beings and can marry as well etc... but are ministering spirits..
As for previous resurrection, when the Lord Jesus was crucified, there was a resurrection taking place for the dead as well and the dead entered into the state of "mortality" but may not yet received the new celestial body yet to be in the complete state of "immortality". We also know from 1 Pet 3:19, 20 that the souls of many who died in the great flood and repented at the last minute were visited by the Lord Jesus who preached the gospel to them, and although it is not written in the bible, we know that they resurrected from the waiting area in hell and the Lord took them with him. What God has given us, the Holy Bible, is good enough for what we need to know and how to prepare ourselves spiritually to be ready to be with God and our Lord Jesus Christ, and we know well that God cannot be contained in a book as the apostle John even said that he didn't think the whole world's book is enough write down the things that the Lord Jesus did and that was only for 3 years of work! So we can read between lines :)...
Many are carried away with the details and being literall that if it's not in the bible then it is not quite applicable. God's words are multifaceted in its applications but men read them only in one angle and the arguments goes on for example, about the topic of once saved always saved or the saved can fall away but for the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life and both are applicable and correct.. Because the Holy Spirit very reluctantly leaves a saved person but not right away if a person knowingly and made conscious decision and significant effort to reject the Holy Spirit that is in a person. We are given the examples of that in the bible, in the case of Esau, King Saul, and in the case of Demas whom Apostle Paul said left the Lord for the world (2 Tim4:10).
So the different views on rapture i think is important but not the most important topic related to our mission in saving souls and may gender strives although it is a spiritual luxury to meet mature Christians and discuss truly spiritual things who really understands the hidden wisdom and mystery of God :)... but for me now.. I believe, more importantly, as much as we can, we need to to get into Christian Apologetics plus political truth (coz evil politics gonna play a big role in bringing out the antichrist reign, and besides President Donald Trump alraedy gave the executive order to void the Linden Johnson amendment of the 5013c status that is conditional and limiting churches from talking about politics and president talked about freeing the 250million American Christian voices that had been silenced by the 5013c ruling for decades.. political truth and Christianity is very closely tied to up what's in revelation.. many churches who do not support and vote for the right president does commit an error if given the chance and duty to vote for the right president to preserve the Christian culture and belief in America, and not erode righteous nature of the Judeo-christian law based country here. So, I think Christian Apologetic and inevitably one that is tied up to the acquiring the knowledge of political truth that is badly needed in this day and age, especially with all the perversions going on everywhere - anti-christian, globalist and new world order agendas and the perverted reeducation of the mind, overwhelming the world now and sweeping away the faith of many with the drowning Tsunami of unbelief and atheism from schools, mass media, Hollywood perverted, anti-christian and godless oriented culture etc.
Hence, I think more importantly is that we really need to be skilled in Christian Apologetic and to obtain the skills of evangelism, and being able to answer questions coming from atheists, agnostics, people from other faiths and even from Christians as well..etc.. Your spirit to seek to rightly divide the word of truth is commendable (2 Tim 2:15, 16) we know how if we are not careful, we can lose focus on our great commission on earth which many have naturally accepted the "great omission" as being an acceptable way of living as Christians, and busy focusing on vain babbling of how they can interpret this or that in the bible, for "the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life" as we are told in 2 Cor 3:6, and losing their focus altogether in not spreading of the gospel as an individual to another being, which is our top priority and saving souls :)... yes it is indeed a spiritual luxury to be able to have spiritual exchanges with another spiritual and mature Christian though :) and I am also happy to know that you definitely know a lot about revelation than many Christians who thinks that it is just a figurative story altogether...
Yes, back to answering your question... I posted Mac Arthur's video quite a while back and I had not had the chance to listen through the whole video.. As for your mentioning of Mac Arthur's contradiction, I'm not sure if Mac Arthur had been confronted with that question before and been given a chance to clarify or chose not to for some reason, I do not know. So I will respond to u based on what I know and thought it's good to share my thoughts with u...
Many who calls themselves Christians and not born again, are not overcomers, will be left behind to live during the reign of the antichrist. Those left behind is what you mentioned as the "main body" or the majority of the Christians, and that means the minority, those who are truly born again, which is the minority, of the God's church had already left.
Yes many of the Christians left behind will be overcomers. But that does not mean for those who had already left the earth via rapture before the antichrist ruling are not overcomers. See Rev 15, in fact, those who already raptured are going to be witnessing the great tribulation while being on on the sea of glass.
I did post Mac Arthur's videos and many others too that talks about the topic on pre-tribulation issue. But to me, whatever view one takes, be it a-millenialism, pre-trib, post trib, mid-trib, preterist etc.. it is not a major issue that would affect one's salvation although it can cause one to not see as clearly about the future clouded by confusion and unbelief.. but all in all to begin with... fearing the Lord and not despise the wisdom and instruction available to us but firstly, how God's word is applied to one's spiritual life and how far has one truly obtained and be filled with the love of Christ is the ultimate goal:)!
sorry if I have any typo..
also talking about first and second resurrection.. or for true Christians, we are to die once and live twice :).. firstly a spiritual application and then also the external literal resurrection :)..
@@tinabrowny , Tiny, you begin your response by saying; ( quote ) ...."Morgan Sorensen I see you are quite well versed and do believe in what the bible says that Moses and Elijah will return. " ( end quote )
Well Tiny, I am a Theologian, in ministry for over 57 years now, and over 54 years as a World class Theologian, with a written
work on Eschatology, entitled; THE RAPTURE AND ITS SEVEN DIFFERENT ORDERS", that far surpasses the four FRAUD'S That are propagated today, such as ; "Pre-Trib", "Mid-Trib", "Pre-Wrath", and "Post-Trib", which All falsely teach a Simplistic "Singular Rapture", that is not taught in
the scriptures !!
As they are not recognizing that there are SEVEN ORDERS to the First Resurrection, two of which, have already taken place almost 2,000 years ago, Christ, the "First Begotten of the Dead", and the "Graves that Opened", when Christ was "yielding up the Ghost", ( Mt.27:50-53, and fulfilling Exod.23:19 ) who came out of their graves on the SAME DAY of the feast of "Firstfruits", on which Christ arose, but AFTER His Resurrection !!
And Tiny, No, I Do not believe in the Falsehood that you believe in, ...that MOSES will return with Elijah !!
Heb.9:27 declares the
following;....."And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to DIE , but AFTER THIS the JUDGMENT: " Therefore MOSES will not be part of the TWO WITNESSES, as ONLY ENOCH and ELIJAH have been removed , and Preserved in their "Natural Bodies", for to come back and minister to the JEWS in Israel for the Last 3-1/2 years, and THEN To be KILLED and DIE for the first time !!
Also The TWO WITNESSES will NOT preach to the World, as you say, as that is the Work of the "OVERCOMERS", which it seems your indoctrination cannot allow you to understand !!
Tiny, you are propagating a False Eschatology, as does John MacArthur, that was the brainchild of John Nelson Darby, back in
1826/27, who was a 32nd degree Freemason. there is never going to be any "left-behinders", as No RAPTURE is Possible, until the First resurrection takes place at the Second Advent !!
Your whole theory is stuck on a false "Pre-Trib" RAPTURE Scenario and idea, which has no validation in the scriptures !
Just a cursory reading of Acts.2:34-35, which declares;...." For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The
Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
( verse 35 ) Until I make thy FOES thy FOOTSTOOL ."
So Tiny, ask yourself Two Questions;
The First; Is Christ now Seated on the Right hand of the father ? The answer is obviously YES !!
The Second Question; Have Christ's Enemies and FOES been made his FOOTSTOOL Yet ? The answer is a resounding NO !!
That means, that Christ must Remain in Heaven, until such time, as that is to happen, and according to the book of the Revelation,
as well as in Heb.9:28, that does Not happen until the Second Advent !!!
Even Acts.3:20-21, makes it clear, that "Christ MUST REMAIN IN HEAVEN, until the Restitution of All THINGS" !!
That means that Christ CANNOT LEAVE HEAVEN until it is TIME for the BATTLE of ARMAGEDDON, on the LAST DAY, As the Restitution of All Things Cannot begin, until AFTER the Antichrist and the False Prophet, ( Benny Hinn ? ) have been thrown into the Lake of Fire,..... and AFTER the DEVIL has been Bound, and cast in the bottomless Pit , all of which happens on the LAST DAY , which begins at Sunset, the Day Before, with the First Resurrection and its Subsequent RAPTURE !!
But this is something that you will not understand, unless you read my book, "THE RAPTURE AND ITS SEVEN DIFFERENT ORDERS",.
So I think that it will be best to end this discussion right here at this point, as I can see by your responses to me, that you have No IDEA what the scripture is teaching on Eschatology, and I do not have the time nor the patience to educate you , when all you need
to do is to get a copy of my book, which discusses 'never before revealed' facts about the First Resurrection, in accordance with the
"Seven Feasts" of God,
( Lev.23 ) and the teachings of the apostle PAUL on these Seven Orders of the First Resurrection !!
Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
Dispensationalism is a different gospel to what has been passed down from the apostles and preached by the church for nearly 2000 years. Either the true gospel was immediately lost when the apostles died until the 1800s, or dispensationalism is a false gospel.
At what point in time did Ruth become Israel? Israel is a nation of people. Israel is what God calls His people. Only Israel will enter into the Kingdom, there is no Gentile gate. The way to NOT be one of those who are utterly surprised and disappointed in the upcoming Matthew 7:23 scene, is to live out what God said in Deuteronomy 10:12-13, and trust that what God did through Jesus' death, burial and resurrection paid the penalty for the hopeless sinful condition we were born in. If we believe that, we'll fear God properly, walk in all the ways God instructed us to, love God (see 1 Jn 5:2-3), serve God with all our being, and keep/guard God's commandments... which are for our good. God sent His Son to pay the price sin brings, so walk as exampled by His Son.
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The True Gospel
Is The Gospel of The Living God. It is The Saving Gospel!
1 Corinthians 15:3-5:
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve ...
This Gospel is all about Christ!
Christ has died!
Christ was buried!
Christ was risen!
Christ was seen!
You may compare this saving Gospel to John MacArthurs preaching.
This made sense to me. I’ve been trying to understand CT but this lens seems more practical and true. Will keep reading the Word.
Dispensationalism radically separates God’s people into Christians and the Jews. It teaches that God supposedly has two chosen peoples, and both have different destinies. The “Israel” about which Apostle John spoke was the believers in God, so the Biblical NT Israel is made of Jews and Gentiles. The Gentiles have been grafted in, and all believers share a destiny.
There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death. The truth is not about what seems practical, nor is it about what makes sense to you. The Truth is a person, and John MacArthur does not know Him.
@@davidgravy2007 Wow, so John MacArthur isn't a Christian.
@@MrSmeagolKitty Only God knows the human heart. And may God forgive me, as I should not have said that John MacArthur doesn't know Christ. I can't possibly know that, but I do know that many people have been led into heresy by the man, and that is not good. Is he a Christian? Maybe he believes he is, and maybe he sincerely does the best he can with what he knows. If so, I believe that counts for something. I've believed and taught false doctrines before, Lord have mercy, but God forgives, and He readily accepts sincere repentance.
@@davidgravy2007 How do you know what you taught before was false? Maybe it was correct, but what you now believe is false?? Honest question.
the Israel of God is the saved, Jews and gentiles. God broke down the barrier between Jews and gentiles, making the two one man: no different;; Hey 11 has all of one faith; no difference. Future for Israel is that many will be born again and receive Jesus like the rest.
BORN AGAIN --- IS IT FOR THE CHOSEN, OR FOR ALL?
“I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again…
You must be born-again… The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing.
The words I have spoken to you, they are the Spirit and they are life.’” John 3:3, 6:63
Good is to preserve life by acting in harmony with all the laws that govern perpetual life. While, sin is to harm life with the accumulation of sin being global warming and the absolute end of all life. So, sin is suicide both for the sinner and for society. And so, why allow sin?
Two thirds of the angels are in heaven all because they are most grateful for life. Such that they feel guilty for having too much and to get a clear conscience they have no choice but to own nothing and to give everything they have to those who have less. So they are good as they desire to do only good and beneficial things.
On the other hand, a third of the angels are on earth because they have no gratitude for anything. Because life to them is an unalienable right, the food, land, wealth and power needed to enjoy life, also an unalienable right most ungrateful. Such that they feel guilty for having too little and to get a clear conscience they have no choice but to earn all they can earn, take all they can take, own all they can own and to be a dictator over all who are on land that they own.
And so, when Eve sinned by desiring to be equal with God, causing her to experience both "good and evil," she must of had a ungrateful nature causing her to think that she deserved more. For surely, on pain of death never would any of the good angels in heaven have sinned by desiring to be equal with God.
And just as God had warned, the moment Eve experienced evil by the sin of striving to be equal with God, the Holy Spirit vacated Eve’s body and her spiritual and eternal life came to an end. For that is exactly what evil is, spiritual and eternal death. So, forget the Catholic fiction of an immortal soul being tormented in an eternal hell, for without the indwelling Holy Spirit, physical death is eternal non-existence. Surely, our only hope for eternal life is to be “born-again… born by the Spirit.”
"For he who controls the future has predestined a
few to conform to the exact likeness of his Son…” Romans 8:29
For the idea that we may at our pleasure, choose to switch from ingrate taker to grateful giver, that we may switch from evil to good and good to evil as goes our fickle emotions, this is the product of a self absorbed mind that cares nothing about what is in the best interest of the Christian church, the heavenly realms and the grand scheme of things that God is trying to accomplish.
“We love because He first loved us.” For our gratitude toward God comes not from a free will decision to love God, most certainly not from the freedom to sin by an ingrate rejection of God, but by such an overpowering awareness that we have been chosen from among many to share in the earth made new.
Therefore, as God gave a third of the angels and virtually all humans an ingrate nature that feels guilty if ever it misses an opportunity to take all it can take, a most loving God must have a good purpose in mind.
Therefore, what this planet of the ingrates is all about, is to reach the ultimate conclusion of a world where it is impossible to perform an act of love. For no matter how great is our compassion, pity or charity, the sure result is to inflate pride.
And so, how is God to prove that in a fair and just society, gratitude is the power above all the powers there be, even above the power of God you see, the only motivation controlling the relationship between you and me?
For Satan claims that the morality of gratitude is actually slavery, that the morality of giving compassion, pity and charity while expecting nothing in return but gratitude, that it is nothing more than God’s deceitful way to gain everyone’s obedience and worship so that God could hoard all the power and glory in order to control all the wealth.
Truth is, that since the beginning of civilization the upper-half of society has hoarded all the land, knowledge, wealth, political power and healthcare. Not to say that those in the lower-half are any less of an ingrate, for one billion humans are slowly starving to death and the 50% working poor does hardly a thing to end it.
And so, from Able who was martyred for producing gratitude toward God, to the prophets of Israel martyred for their devout gratitude toward God, to John the Baptist, to Christ and to all the most grateful remnant who have always followed in the footsteps of Christ:
How can it be said that when a martyr lays down his life
to defend the cause of his master, that he was motivated
by anything other than the power of a grateful heart?
For it is not the fault of God that most prefer quick pleasure over permanent happiness. The logic being, that when ungrateful Eve sinned by desiring to be equal with God, by experiencing both "Good and evil," it was the death of her spirit and an addiction to pleasure impossible to repent of. For even with Christ crucified, 95% of humans either reject morality or became addicted to the pleasure of a fake salvation with no morality.
Yes, God gave Adam and Eve an ungrateful nature with the propensity to sin, but, how else could we know for an absolute fact that the pleasures of sin were not a good thing, unless we experience the ultimate conclusion and global warming of such a satanic thing?
He forgets the church was always made of Israelites. The gentiles were brought into the kingdom of God which is Israel.
"Israel" is the name God bestowed upon Jacob after he wrestled with the Lord. Jacob believed in God's Eternal Covenant which we know has been ratified in Christ. Since we believers have studied the Scriptures and have read that God shows no partiality in His calling, then "genetics" does not discuss God's calling. Believers struggle to believe God, in Christ, the only Righteous One, as did Jacob. Believers "gather together around Christ" as did the remnant of the nation of Israel. "Israel" is the name that says, "believer, and, "Church," is a name that says "believer."
For Crying out loud. Christ's sacrifice is the fulfillment of the law and all promises of the old testament. It should be enough. Christ (of the line of David, as promised) is king. There is no alternate universe for the Jews to get their special savior.
How many gentiles ɓuild the church.?
does not the New Testament interpret the OT? Do not N.T. authors interpret the OT, and do they not clearly state that the Israel of God is the Church and that we now are a kingdom of priests and kings. ?
Is the church only gentiles? Or is israel also part of the church. Was the apostles part of the church?
There are Jews in the Church but Israel as a nation is unbelieving until …
read ephesians 2. and Hosea. who was grafted in to what? what tree where the jews broken off of? This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our fathers. He received living oracles to give to us.
congregation=assembly=ἐκκλησίᾳ (ekklēsia)=church
There is one body and one Spirit-just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call- 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
we are all one in HIM, ISRAEL
🤔The death knell of Dispensationalism is inter alia located in the 1917 Scofield "Bible" at Scofield's commentary on John 1:17, to wit:
"...As a dispensation, grace begins with the death and resurrection of Christ ... The point of testing is no longer legal obedience as the condition of salvation, but acceptance or rejection of Christ..."
but what does God say in Romans 4:8 "...for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness..." hence Abraham was saved by the grace of God through the faith of Jesus Christ [Romans 3:22 LXX] - for the Law was not only given to Moses AFTER Abraham's death [except if you take the 1st law as obedience to God, Gen 2:16&17] but alas there is no salvation but through Jesus Christ - Acts 4:12. And we all know Abe was a sinner; lying and scheming.
Luke 17 20_23
Where is the kingdom
Matthew 24:36
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Jmac is erroneous about no Jews being left after Armageddon. This is one of the reasons why he's caught up in the error of pre trib rapture theory that is only 100 yrs old.
Isaiah talks about Jews being carried back from other nations back to Israel. So there are Jews left.
If you say anything that happens is insignificant, you don't believe in God. However, just because a group of modern rabbinical Jews established a State and called it "Israel", does not mean that they are the Israel mentioned in Scripture. What the actual significance is, only time will tell, but one thing is for sure, if you reckon yourself a follower of Christ: Jesus Christ is the King of Israel, and He is High Priest forever, according to the order of Melchizedek. The Gospel tells of His victory, and if you believe it, you repent. Whether you are Jew or Gentile, repent and be baptized. "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand." Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Stop this worldly nonsense.
The post Trib rapture is the Yo Yo view !!! Silly !
He butchers the opponents viewpoint in this. It's not an accurate view of conventional thought. The Israel of old was not merely ethic people, it was believers within the covenant community. There where man sojourners who became circumcised and were part of the family of God. They share in those promises always have. The Lord merely dealt primarily with nation Israel which was primarily ethic by flesh in the OT while the gentiles where a minority. And in the NT the Lord deals primarily with the Gentiles with the ones who were Jews by flesh being the minority. Much more can be said on this. Key is in the makeup of the nation in the OT which people who are dispen. overlook
Please put God's blood back in John's Bible!
Respect John but he is wrong regarding his position of Dispensationalism
How?
Is the church the new Israel?
Pre-Tribulation and Pre-Wrath are not the same thing, nor is the Great Tribulation and the Wrath of God the same event.
Tribulation - Thilipsis [G2347] = pressure, persecution, trouble, burdened, affliction, anguish.
Wrath - Orgay [G3709] = indignation, punishment, anger, vengeance, violent, abhorrence.
The translators did not get this one wrong. Teach that, Johnny Mac. Peace
I feel so sorry for people who are convinced by Macarthur on this topic
I mean it’s a non-salvific tertiary issue so I don’t know why you’d be sorry for them. Just disagree and move on
@@therealtrabo because MacArthur is portraying this as "just what the Bible teaches" its more a comment on how he convinces people about lots of ahistoric beliefs.
@@Superb-Owl-615 I understand that. I think what is lacking is a willingness to be wrong, and I think that is something I don’t see much from MacArthur. But I think if he is convinced in his own mind about some things then he is free to explain those things in such a way as well. Affirming everything he says as being Biblically accurate without nuance would be an issue though.
I knew a dear brother who was a great evangelist, and he was a typical dispensationalist. He confessed once that “once a pb. (Plymouth brethren- Darby) always a pb. “ in other words, this shoddy hermeneutics is very hard to be delivered from.
This is absolutely TRUE from SCRIPTURE, not MacArthur! God doesn’t lie! He made an unconditional covenant with Israel & He’s keeping it before our very eyes! Israel HAS been regathered in unbelief just as Romans 9-11 says & all Israel WILL BE SAVED. AND reformed theologians skip over Romans 9-11; I know this, because I’ve talked with Reformed preachers.
Macarthur is confused about the Gospel of the kingdom in the first part of Matthew versus the gospel of Jesys going to the cross in the latter part of Mathew.
New Covenant Israel Theology
God made a New Covenant with the house of Israel into which 11 Israelites, having been discipled by God's genuine Son, entered. When Jesus of Nazareth (while still on the cross) drank the fruit of the vine, that New Covenant became active. Since Jesus had never sinned, all the blessing of the law of Moses became His inheritance- and the Treasury of New Covenant Israel. Since then, the gospel has been believed by gentiles who have been adopted into the house of Israel.
Dispensationalism teaches the gospel changes during the 7 year tribulation and also believe the 7 year Tribulation is a different age in and of itself. The great Tribulation cannot be a different age than the church age because the great tribulation is only one of the several signs. I do not fit into covenant theology or dispensationalism. And also I donor believe the gospel changes during the Tribulation. If it did, someone having a copy of the Bible reading John 3:16 or Romans 10:9 would no longer be able to be saved by those messages; when Jesus said whosoever believes in Him, Romans says whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord. It does not say except your are alive during the Great Tribulation.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. What exactly do you mean when you say that the gospel changes during the Tribulation?
May we allow Scripture to speak for itself and form our system of belief. Not the other way around. Sadly, the majority in the church today practice the latter over the former. Thus, they miss out on very precious truths that have already been revealed to us by God in His Word through the Holy Spirit. Such a mindset has resulted to much impotence in the Christian church that should be having a more positive influence on the world today. Dispensationalism has limited our understanding of Scripture to the literal. Even Dispensationalist preachers themselves also do not interpret all Scripture literally. That is because not all literary genre can be interpreted that way, and there are different genres in God's Word. One who confines himself to a single approach to studying Scripture has already made his first wrong step that increases as he continues in that path.
Indeed ethnic Israel has a specific role to carry out in God's sovereign redemptive plan. And their rejection of Jesus Christ was part of it, that brought the Gospel to us. Thus, we are to be humbled and grateful to God. But Christ Himself said that "The Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation, producing the fruit of it." (Matt 21:43) Such was the mystery revealed to the Apostle Paul. For God's ultimate plan is not for the salvation and redemption of the Jews alone but for the Gentiles and His entire creation! For there is only one tree and one root who is God. The natural branches is ethnic Israel. Some were broken off because of unbelief so we, Gentiles might be grafted in. Thus, the Apostle Paul states that all of us are one in Christ (Gal. 3:28). This simply supports his theological presentation in Romans as to how and when Abraham was declared righteous, which was prior to his circumcision (ergo as a Gentile) that is but a sign of his faith in God.
Hebrews notes Abel, Enoch, Noah, etc. (non-Jews, ergo, Gentiles too but who have the faith as Abraham's) as partakers of what we have in Christ by faith. Indeed God is not through with Israel as with the other nations. Thus, may we all the more carry out the Great Commission. And as we do so, let us focus more on the One True Israel of God, the Lord Jesus (Matt. 2:13-14) who tore down the dividing wall between Jew and Gentile because God's goal is to make us, "one new man" in Christ (Eph. 2:14). Please notice too that the Lord Jesus has only one bride, not two. I will also not postpone Christ's kingship and rule as Scripture declares it (Dan. 7:13-14, Matt. 28:18 & ff, Lk. 11:17-20) I recognize His kingship and rule here and now because of three reasons: 1) God said it, 2) it was the secret to the success of the early church, and 3) it is what our world needs today. So let's do our part in this. Thank you.
Yikes again!
Is MacArthur really that ? the fact that he has a study Bible doesn’t surprise me as so did scofield, the whole idea of rapture and Zionism started in 1909.
Wait did he just say when God Says something he means it, but the Catholic death cookie is a symbol. No one taught this dumb stuff for the first 1900 years.
Fraud
reformed but confused 😸
Please everyone come to true understanding of Messianic Judaism
I feel so sorry for people who are not convinced by McArthur on this topic.
Don’t be. McArthur is just one of the many who have taught church tradition for so long that they are blinded to the truth as revealed in Scripture. All this talk of “literal” interpretation has men like McArthur deceiving themselves. What may be worse is when they are not necessarily deceived but willfully ignorant of what Jesus and the inspired writers actually taught about the Kingdom of Heaven.
This comment section is inadequate for a proper introduction to what McArthur referred to as covenant theology. So, do yourself a favor and get a book called “Christianity’s Great Dilemma” by Glen Hill. Mr Hill had been a pastor for 40 years preaching “Jesus is Coming Soon” until soon lost it’s meaning and he could no longer in good conscience preach a future kingdom. He determined to search the Scripture allowing scripture to interpret scripture. His book is fruit of his study. Grab your Bible and study along. One thing Mr McArthur will not tell you is that dispensationalism has been in decline for decades now as more and more true believers search out truth for themselves and don’t just trust the pastor to teach anything but what they were programmed to teach at Bible college and seminary.
GOD WILL HAVE A KINGDOM FOR ISRAEL AND WE WILL BE THE MINISTERED OF THAT KINGDOM WITH CHRIST. THE WORLD IS FOR THE JEWS.
The world will be destroyed by Jesus on His triumphant return, by an all consuming, fire and unless one repents and places ALL faith & belief in Jesus Christ alone, that person will be burned with the rest of the unbelieving world, regardless of ethnicity.
The rapture happened in the 1st century, why is jmac so angry?
Dispensationalism is dead
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! I don't need to comment more.
DISPENSATIONAL DELUSION'S RESULTS
It amazes me, that while most dispensational preachers understand that the events foretold to occur in MT 23 and 24 center around, and come to completion, at the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70ad; then have the misguided fortitude to suddenly jump 2000 years into the future when Jesus includes his coming and the gathering right there within the very same texts! And it expressed as being IMMEDIATELY after the events in the previous verses!
Because of the rise of Dispensationalism in the Church in the early 1900s, with its futuristic perspective of the New Testament prophecies; are we supposed to accept their premise that the first century believers, all the New Testament writers, the Holy Spirit, Jesus the Christ Himself, AND even God the Father, ALL got it completely and totally wrong, as to the timing and nature of the events foretold in holy writ? Especially when they ALL held to the perspective that their fulfillment was to be in that first century? Well, I am not persuaded by spiritual blindness!
All of the New Testament writers, inspired by the Holy Spirit, wrote their texts to their first century readers, prophesying that the resurrection and the coming of the Lord were to occur in that generation then living and breathing at that time. There was no confusion or misunderstanding on the matter! Now, here is what we MUST conclude: Either the resurrection and the coming of the Lord did happen when and how they said it would; or God just flat out lied to them!
And if God did lie; what else might he have lied about? And can you really trust the bible which you don't believe is actually true and accurate, since you don't believe those prophecies have happened? Do you see how your believing that the bible, with its prophecies, are both true and accurate is the paramount of your faith? You must choose one way or the other! God requires that you believe what he has preserved. Choose..........
Matthew 24:36
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
I'm so glad people like you exist to correct Jesus (sarcasm).
@@VFXShawn Ah yes, the day and the hour. May I suggest that it was "the day and the hour" WITHIN THAT GENERATION. Jesus said several times that all the things he had prophesied about were to come in that generation. The one standing right in front of him! But the precise day and hour in that generation was the Father's choosing.
@@makarov138 Acts 1:7 "And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power."
It is not for us to know the times or seasons either! Not the hour, not the day, not the time or the season! But of course you know, so I am thankful to have people like you who know better than Jesus (sarcasm).
@@VFXShawn Ah. Once again you've stopped too soon to get the idea. Just two decades later, Paul told his first century readers, by having his letter read aloud to them: 1Thess 5:1-5 " But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For YOU (THEM) yourselves KNOW PERFECTLY that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And THEY shall NOT ESCAPE. 4 But YOU, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake YOU as a thief. 5 YOU are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness." You see, just two decades later, the Thessalonians did in fact know the times and the seasons perfectly! Paul said so. And THAT Day would not catch THEM to destruction. THAT Day had to occur while some of THEM were alive to even be possible to "overtake" THEM. And this is why futuristic Dispensationalism is such a heretical false doctrine. It destroys the integrity and validity of God's word. And makes the NT writers false prophets! Heresy upon heresy!!
@@makarov138 You misinterpreted what Paul said. Paul did not say they know the times or the seasons, Paul said they know perfectly that the Day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night (the Day of the Lord, Joel 2:2). Paul said he doesn't need to write unto them about such times, because that day doesn't belong to them. They are children of the day, not of the night, they will never see the night, because they will be gathered before the Day of the Lord (2 thess 2:1-2). Paul is writing to assure his readers (the Body of Christ) that they will never see the Day of the Lord, the time of Jacob's trouble, the great tribulation and the wrath of God. Paul is not saying they know when the night will begin, Paul is saying he has no need to write to them about it, because that day isn't for them. Paul says to not let anyone trouble them about that day (2 thess 2:2), because that time of trouble has nothing to do with the Body of Christ. According to 70 AD believers like yourself, the Day of the Lord was soon at hand upon Jerusalem when Paul was writing (contradicting Paul's own words in 2 thess 2:2), and since Paul was writing to Gentiles who lived outside of Jerusalem, why would Paul's audience even care about it? It wouldn't effect them even if it was happening while Paul was writing! Your interpretation makes no sense.
Your wrong pastor dispensations are time periods through out the bible from Genesis right through Revelation, 8 dispensations to be exact. Different times for different people, and different types of SALVATION rightly dividing the word of truth. We are in the dispensation of the day of Grace, Paul's gospel. Before that was the Gospel of the kingdom and before the was the law.
Dispensationalists are in a cult.
Biblical explanation?
this has the ring of arrogance to it
Drivel
Snake oil.
No, thanks, I'm good, but thanks for the offer.