I've always wanted to see actual intake flow...back in the day everyone slapped a Vic Jr on a SBC and it was adequate enough for a 240 cfm head,but head technology has exceeded most of the older style intakes nowadays...keep up the good work.
One of the rare tests you will ever find on the internet. So eye opening. Nobody wants to have a kick butt head flow and then show that a manifold will drag it down into average territory.
Great video , lots of good information. I bet there are people who swear by their intakes of all kinds. And what ever they put together is working for them. Those are the guys who come to the track. Run crazy numbers, them disappear .
Would liked to have gotten an honorable mention on the older style 2925. I am going to be using one on a pair of AFR’s Competition CNC’d 220’s on a 13.1 406 Chevy. But love the info and appreciate your videos thanks Eric.
Dude awesome test Eric, appreciate the time put in to research comparisons. But I gotta say that Dragon Slayer is an awesome piece, wonder what it’d do with a 7070 tunnel ram.
Someday I'm gonna have to send you some aluminum Small block mopar heads to do. But at that point I will have done my research on which heads have the most material/are the best to port.
I've always just believed that the 2892 even though costly was the best out of the box....all we ever do is port match to heads and clean up any rough castings and We have always been more than satisfied.
Love seeing comparison like this! Those swirl number are interesting. Need more information on this. Does more swirl make more power? Maybe better atomization and helping to complete the burn.
It would be interesting to see how high swirl compares to high flow on an engine dyno. Funny how with all the R&D on 4 strokes, so much is still theory. 2 strokes are even more mysterious. Still new operational variables to discover?
Hey Eric. Thx for all your info. We r building a pretty hot street strip 383 sbc with afr 220's . We also bought the aluminum single plane from afr. The dividers are super thick. How good of a manifold is this, and should we skinny the dividers up a little .Thx for any help..
Hi I really enjoyed this video. I have a couple of questions. I would like to see you flow a stock sbc Edelbrock Performer Air Gap and one that you have ported or sent to Extrude Hone to Equalize the runners as much as possible and also use a 1 inch open spacer on both that these manifolds respond well to. Second lets say I was building a 11:1 327 .030 over so its now a 331 and wanted 500 hp, so in theory I would use a Air Flow Reasearch 195 with the competition port job. This way smaller cc than a 210 should equal more port velocity. Now, lets say you can equalize the ports in the manifold to say, 288 cfm on average of each runner. Does the head have to be able to flow anymore than that to make power. Its nice to have the big flow numbers but if your manifold cant get you there then should you just buy a set of heads with lower flow numbers?? Or, are there things that I do not know comming into play. Thanks for the awsome content but this is what I think about and would like a concrete answer.
Thanks Eric. I have a Profiler/Wilson ported. My thought on that is when not port matched the runner entry was rather small and tapered in to allow for a port match. If possible could you comment on that compared to the others that were tested? I remember the center divider at the head face between ports being extremely wide maybe 5/16”ish with a taper from about 1” in the port exit to the flange face. Been a few years now though but in my mind that would kill it without being straightened and sized.
Great video ! Curious if youd do anything different to your ported intake on a 25+ lbs of boost , blow thru carb combo ? Ive heard plenum volume becomes a much bigger concern than port dividers extending into the plenum on a 1000+ hp sbc ?
Really nice info! I’m running a holley strip dominator right now, could be wrong, but i wonder how much the port air speed has to do with swirl, or if the angle the air comes around the valve through the chamber has more effect? I know it not a real reasonable thing to do, but it would be cool for someone to do a fresh intake manifold test on the dyno
@@WeingartnerRacing .. right on. I'm not a fan either. A good friend bought an El Camino with a good 388 ABC. Oliver Ross, I think Calies crank.. dyno I think was 526 at 5900 or like 6200.. has an HV 1014 on it.. small port version. IDK the cross section yet but I think he can make more power just w an Edelbrock, even an older Super Vic.
Hey bub, my truck on methanol wt a 2975 ran 30 xs 6.88 most of them wt a 8! It is dialed on a half of a 750! It runs 6.38 et wide open! Im wandering if a 2925 intake would need a jet change? PS. Same question on a bigger header? Im running 1.3/4 & may go bigger if i can just raise fuel psi
would love to hear your recommendation on a gen 1 sbc mpi intake manifold. been looking at edl-29785. thoughts? when your going for big power worth the investment for porting?? ive got a 434 13:1, 700 lift 264/268 109, brodix alum block with cnc trk 1 heads. currently running the weiland ram efi manifold. considering the edl 29785 with a wilson throttle?? thank you! vids are super awesome!
This may be a silly question. Intake flows X amount, more horsepower with a head that flows more? Or a head that flows the same. I guess the question is too much head for the intake kill hp?
Would you be interested in flowing a 300-260 intake with a 4150 Holley throttle body attached? Kind of a newer model and haven't seen anyone posting any info on it.
@@WeingartnerRacing what's a good time to call when it's not going interrupt your work? I also have an untouched 7101 performer rpm, and an older regular performer.
fair enough.. it kind a makes sense.. the coeffiecent of thew swirl is weird at a guess its a self meter for u .. if u know a good number dyno and mani flow for a certain build i think it will be relevent other wise you could run nissan r35 gtr airflow meter in the cylider wall there supposed to flow 550 cfm or something it maybe read something.. another way or even better before the the carby because it will only draw the air it can flow kinda likek a dyno carb swirl hat
also the 35 gtr has reversion flow build in so maybe if u could bolt it in to a carb spacer its probably 2 inch wide or 1.5 ... it could give you maybe a reversion pulse to if flipped if the the valves was say running at 7000 rpm .. at a guess u kinda want to minimise reversion back up from inlet valve specaily carby although it could add more atomisation probably why long runners do so well .. i can understand having bulk volume on super vics the air has some where to go the reversions slower and the track ks easier on draw ins .. i guess does that reversion pulse of atomised gas cool the air charge and aslong as it doesnt reverse draw on the carb jets it shouldnt because v8 a ITB weber it could
this swirl has opened a can of worms specail reversion pulse to feed other cylinder . like does reversion pulse help feed next cylinder intake stroke or hinder it because the intake swirl to carb entry clash.. fight each other in the plenum makes sense plenum volume helps free the air for repurpose of direction
can u get a intake swirl meter on a dyno and figure out the pulse intake swirl on a engine dyno .. cant rememer what there called the machine that spins up engines for value terrian testing
What is your opinion on this? Getting ready to build a sbc 357 with AFR 195 as cast heads. AFR dual plane intake. 10.1 compression. And either the comp 268h or the comp 270 marine cam.
I'm interested in seeing the numbers from the hurricane sense you said they flowed the best isn't that pro comp or speed master. And way cheaper the the super victor?
@@WeingartnerRacing the old pro ram and pro ram 2 used to be the max flow tunnel rams. Will they support a modern cylinder head like yours? Is something new needed to keep up with modern 350cfm sbc heads?
@@WeingartnerRacing please don’t think i was trying to be an ass. It was a real question because I drive my car on the street and do not want to loose drive ability. I love your info
Would love the same kinda deal for us street guys running dual planes! But holy crap there's a bunch of them! I'm actually surprised that the Pro-filer didn't do better! Just for shit and giggles should've probably threw in a couple of cheapies like pro comp, professional products etc. But very cool info.
Well you see The Problem is, there are certain people will get their nose out of joint, and turn their nose up at it, when you show that an el-cheapo Ported Professional Products Hurricane, or the Procomp single plane flows as much or more than the name brand manifolds. Just saying.
@@WeingartnerRacing I have a 7101 Edelbrock performer rpm, a Holley 300-260, as well as one of Ken's First performance tpi intakes. All untouched If you're interested in flowing them and using them for a video I'd eat the round trip shipping. Awesome vids sir!
I would do it but not attached to the heads in the video because those are getting assembled this week and shipped out. I can do it with an afr 220. Send them.
I've always wanted to see actual intake flow...back in the day everyone slapped a Vic Jr on a SBC and it was adequate enough for a 240 cfm head,but head technology has exceeded most of the older style intakes nowadays...keep up the good work.
One of the rare tests you will ever find on the internet. So eye opening. Nobody wants to have a kick butt head flow and then show that a manifold will drag it down into average territory.
I have Eric’s manifold on my car. Very nice piece makes great power.
Not completely binge watching, but I am going back through some of your videos, and making comments. Trying to share the love.
Great video , was nice to see the very old design strip dom do ok
Thanks Eric good stuff. Goes in line with dyno test Hot rod 19 manifold test. Dyno showed 2892 to give the best results.
Great video , lots of good information. I bet there are people who swear by their intakes of all kinds. And what ever they put together is working for them. Those are the guys who come to the track. Run crazy numbers, them disappear .
Outstanding work Eric
Would liked to have gotten an honorable mention on the older style 2925. I am going to be using one on a pair of AFR’s Competition CNC’d 220’s on a 13.1 406 Chevy. But love the info and appreciate your videos thanks Eric.
Dude awesome test Eric, appreciate the time put in to research comparisons. But I gotta say that Dragon Slayer is an awesome piece, wonder what it’d do with a 7070 tunnel ram.
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing your knowledge Sir!
Someday I'm gonna have to send you some aluminum Small block mopar heads to do. But at that point I will have done my research on which heads have the most material/are the best to port.
This is great Eric.
THANKYOU!!!!
Personally I have a BMP 4150 on shelf I got when ACCEL closed.
Was wondering what it was worth.
Seems it will be 🙂
I know you can’t please everyone, but I wish you were able to include a Holley 300-110 dorton intake.
I've always just believed that the 2892 even though costly was the best out of the box....all we ever do is port match to heads and clean up any rough castings and We have always been more than satisfied.
They are very good.
Thank you for that information now I know what manifold to run
Love seeing comparison like this! Those swirl number are interesting. Need more information on this. Does more swirl make more power? Maybe better atomization and helping to complete the burn.
Wish you would have done the older 2925. Tons of these floating around circle tracks all over the country!
Im sure it will happen again some day.
It would be interesting to see how high swirl compares to high flow on an engine dyno. Funny how with all the R&D on 4 strokes, so much is still theory. 2 strokes are even more mysterious. Still new operational variables to discover?
Hey Eric. Thx for all your info. We r building a pretty hot street strip 383 sbc with afr 220's . We also bought the aluminum single plane from afr. The dividers are super thick. How good of a manifold is this, and should we skinny the dividers up a little .Thx for any help..
Hi I really enjoyed this video. I have a couple of questions. I would like to see you flow a stock sbc Edelbrock Performer Air Gap and one that you have ported or sent to Extrude Hone to Equalize the runners as much as possible and also use a 1 inch open spacer on both that these manifolds respond well to. Second lets say I was building a 11:1 327 .030 over so its now a 331 and wanted 500 hp, so in theory I would use a Air Flow Reasearch 195 with the competition port job. This way smaller cc than a 210 should equal more port velocity. Now, lets say you can equalize the ports in the manifold to say, 288 cfm on average of each runner. Does the head have to be able to flow anymore than that to make power. Its nice to have the big flow numbers but if your manifold cant get you there then should you just buy a set of heads with lower flow numbers?? Or, are there things that I do not know comming into play. Thanks for the awsome content but this is what I think about and would like a concrete answer.
would love to see a flow chart on weiand track warrior 7620. another great video
Thanks Eric. I have a Profiler/Wilson ported. My thought on that is when not port matched the runner entry was rather small and tapered in to allow for a port match. If possible could you comment on that compared to the others that were tested? I remember the center divider at the head face between ports being extremely wide maybe 5/16”ish with a taper from about 1” in the port exit to the flange face. Been a few years now though but in my mind that would kill it without being straightened and sized.
Thank you Eric.
Great video ! Curious if youd do anything different to your ported intake on a 25+ lbs of boost , blow thru carb combo ? Ive heard plenum volume becomes a much bigger concern than port dividers extending into the plenum on a 1000+ hp sbc ?
Really nice info! I’m running a holley strip dominator right now, could be wrong, but i wonder how much the port air speed has to do with swirl, or if the angle the air comes around the valve through the chamber has more effect? I know it not a real reasonable thing to do, but it would be cool for someone to do a fresh intake manifold test on the dyno
What do you think about the AFR #4811 intake? Looks just like a super victor but different on top… any advantages with that design?
I would really like to see a L98 tpi intake flowed like this. They are so sad.
It's hard not to notice you didn't use one brodix, intake that's very interesting.. ii looks like the Super Vic 4150 is a top choice here.
I didn't have any at the time but if its a Brodix intake and it says HVH on it they suck out of the box. The others are good.
@@WeingartnerRacing .. right on. I'm not a fan either. A good friend bought an El Camino with a good 388 ABC. Oliver Ross, I think Calies crank.. dyno I think was 526 at 5900 or like 6200.. has an HV 1014 on it.. small port version. IDK the cross section yet but I think he can make more power just w an Edelbrock, even an older Super Vic.
@@WeingartnerRacing how does a ported brodix hvh compare to a ported 2892 if you did the porting ?
@@nickorozco9177 any Hvh intake is not very good.
Great video
So what do you want if you have to choose.. more swirl or more flow?
Hey bub, my truck on methanol wt a 2975 ran 30 xs 6.88 most of them wt a 8! It is dialed on a half of a 750! It runs 6.38 et wide open! Im wandering if a 2925 intake would need a jet change? PS. Same question on a bigger header? Im running 1.3/4 & may go bigger if i can just raise fuel psi
Do you ever sleep? Sure doesn't seem like it........Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!
I will sleep when I’m dead. People may beat me but it will not be because they out worked me.
Great information. How would a offy crossram do. Have you ever worked on one.
would love to hear your recommendation on a gen 1 sbc mpi intake manifold. been looking at edl-29785. thoughts? when your going for big power worth the investment for porting?? ive got a 434 13:1, 700 lift 264/268 109, brodix alum block with cnc trk 1 heads. currently running the weiland ram efi manifold. considering the edl 29785 with a wilson throttle?? thank you! vids are super awesome!
Great video as always. Question, would a tunnel ram out flow any of these or come somewhere in the middle? It would be interesting to see.
It would outflow all these manifolds.
This may be a silly question. Intake flows X amount, more horsepower with a head that flows more?
Or a head that flows the same. I guess the question is too much head for the intake kill hp?
Test the Holley 300-260
Would you be interested in flowing a 300-260 intake with a 4150 Holley throttle body attached? Kind of a newer model and haven't seen anyone posting any info on it.
I can but not attached to the heads I used in the video because they are being assembled and shipped out this week.
@@WeingartnerRacing what's a good time to call when it's not going interrupt your work? I also have an untouched 7101 performer rpm, and an older regular performer.
fair enough.. it kind a makes sense.. the coeffiecent of thew swirl is weird at a guess its a self meter for u .. if u know a good number dyno and mani flow for a certain build i think it will be relevent other wise you could run nissan r35 gtr airflow meter in the cylider wall there supposed to flow 550 cfm or something it maybe read something.. another way or even better before the the carby because it will only draw the air it can flow kinda likek a dyno carb swirl hat
also the 35 gtr has reversion flow build in so maybe if u could bolt it in to a carb spacer its probably 2 inch wide or 1.5 ... it could give you maybe a reversion pulse to if flipped if the the valves was say running at 7000 rpm .. at a guess u kinda want to minimise reversion back up from inlet valve specaily carby although it could add more atomisation probably why long runners do so well .. i can understand having bulk volume on super vics the air has some where to go the reversions slower and the track ks easier on draw ins .. i guess does that reversion pulse of atomised gas cool the air charge and aslong as it doesnt reverse draw on the carb jets it shouldnt because v8 a ITB weber it could
this swirl has opened a can of worms specail reversion pulse to feed other cylinder . like does reversion pulse help feed next cylinder intake stroke or hinder it because the intake swirl to carb entry clash.. fight each other in the plenum makes sense plenum volume helps free the air for repurpose of direction
can u get a intake swirl meter on a dyno and figure out the pulse intake swirl on a engine dyno .. cant rememer what there called the machine that spins up engines for value terrian testing
@@jacksonbermingham2168 spinmotron
Eric, have you done a similar test on BBC large oval port intakes???
What is your opinion on this? Getting ready to build a sbc 357 with AFR 195 as cast heads. AFR dual plane intake. 10.1 compression. And either the comp 268h or the comp 270 marine cam.
So how much swirl is too much? I guess you don't want to centrifuge the fuel onto the walls but where does that occur?
I'm interested in seeing the numbers from the hurricane sense you said they flowed the best isn't that pro comp or speed master. And way cheaper the the super victor?
The hurricane is from professional products not procomp
Ever flow test SB 2.2’s? Looking to get my hands on a pair.
Yes a long time ago. They weren’t that great but it was a smaller program.
@@WeingartnerRacing MBE is touting on their site these heads flowing at 450/292. I'm sure it's at 1 where most don't go but damn.
There are so many different programs on that head it is hard to say.
I would love to have seen a plain team g and victor Jr just to see how bad they are.
I don’t have any here right now.
I have a 383, 11.1, .470/.480 flat tappet cam, 3.73 gear, 2k stall. Would you recommend a dual plane or single plane? Truck sees track mostly
Dual plane
117👍's up EW thanks for sharing
It is incredible how the manifolds kill a great cylinder head. Would a good tunnel ram help? What is the answer?
Yes
@@WeingartnerRacing the old pro ram and pro ram 2 used to be the max flow tunnel rams. Will they support a modern cylinder head like yours? Is something new needed to keep up with modern 350cfm sbc heads?
No dual planes huh
I did a video of dual planes.
off the top of your head , how do you think the holley 300-110 would fair out
Around the same as the super victor 2925
So is this info basically for all out HP? What about drive ability?
It’s just info use it how you want. It relates to somethings but not everything.
@@WeingartnerRacing please don’t think i was trying to be an ass. It was a real question because I drive my car on the street and do not want to loose drive ability. I love your info
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Would love the same kinda deal for us street guys running dual planes! But holy crap there's a bunch of them! I'm actually surprised that the Pro-filer didn't do better! Just for shit and giggles should've probably threw in a couple of cheapies like pro comp, professional products etc. But very cool info.
Well you see The Problem is, there are certain people will get their nose out of joint, and turn their nose up at it, when you show that an el-cheapo Ported Professional Products Hurricane, or the Procomp single plane flows as much or more than the name brand manifolds.
Just saying.
I just didn’t have them here or I might have.
@@WeingartnerRacing I have a 7101 Edelbrock performer rpm, a Holley 300-260, as well as one of Ken's First performance tpi intakes. All untouched If you're interested in flowing them and using them for a video I'd eat the round trip shipping. Awesome vids sir!
I would do it but not attached to the heads in the video because those are getting assembled this week and shipped out. I can do it with an afr 220. Send them.
, the Wilson manifold was a big disappointment unbelievable
I think we can see now how you could upgrade to a fantastic head, and show zero gains with a choked manifold
First!!!!
Eric, have you done a similar test on BBC large oval port intakes???
Not yet. Someday when I have many intakes around to do it.
@@WeingartnerRacing Thanks! Keep up the good work and videos.