How A Master Knife Sharpener Restores Broken Knives | Epicurious

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  • Master knife sharpener Vincent Kazuhiro Lau visits with Epicurious to demonstrate how he gives new life to tarnished, chipped and broken knives.
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  • @nnthsttrls
    @nnthsttrls ปีที่แล้ว +1346

    As a very avid cook, and kitchen knife enjoyer, I have spent a lot of time sharpening knives. Over the years I have seen, I'd guess, at least 30 "knife sharpening" videos. I genuinely think this is the clearest, most approachable one I've seen for all levels of experience. Teaches, sympathizes, and reminds.

    • @loganmyall660
      @loganmyall660 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Vincent is the GOAT. He understands the practicalities of actually using a knife. So many times knife sharpeners feel like a knife needs to STAY sharp. Vincent seems to understand that knives get used.

    • @mikex691
      @mikex691 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You are an excellent teacher.
      Thank you.

    • @maxithebello
      @maxithebello ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Brother the best is Japanese Knife imports! Follow his videos you’ll master it in no time.

    • @DutchClawz
      @DutchClawz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Only 30?

    • @peternowlan5196
      @peternowlan5196 ปีที่แล้ว

      Vincent when you are repairing the knife on that coarse stone try an even more obtuse angle to rapidly get to the bottom of the chips in the edge. Then as you progress and that damage is close to being repaired, lower the angle until you reach your chosen sharpening angle. Just some food for thought. Thank you for what you do.

  • @RomanianGER
    @RomanianGER ปีที่แล้ว +791

    Look at this fine gentleman, faithful to his knife for 13 years.

    • @dogmaticpyrrhonist543
      @dogmaticpyrrhonist543 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      A nice lesson in that material removal processes do actually remove material as well

    • @user-in1yw9ty5t
      @user-in1yw9ty5t ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Say no to adultery

  • @TheOriginalEL
    @TheOriginalEL 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +132

    I found a really badly damaged knife in the kitchen, loads of chips in it. I followed your guidance and it turned out beautifully.
    Altho ever since, my dad is always saying he can't find his bread knife.

    • @hometownhero2500
      @hometownhero2500 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      😂

    • @grey580
      @grey580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That knife joke was a real slice of life.

    • @jaydeldula8042
      @jaydeldula8042 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😂😂😂

  • @lisahouck4833
    @lisahouck4833 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    First video that actually showed me what I needed to see to fix my terrible knife sharpening.
    Dangerously incorrect now my skills can improve safely and effectively

    • @azores15
      @azores15 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Actually, the way he does it sucks. It sucks because he's using a difficult technique to do something that can be accomplished in a much easier way.

  • @CCSMrChen
    @CCSMrChen ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Microscope comparison was AMAZING!

  • @richrich685
    @richrich685 ปีที่แล้ว +232

    Me: just learned everything I need to know about how to sharpen a knife.
    Me: still frustrated that I don’t have the muscle memory to properly use all the information Chef so generously offered and shared.

    • @vaevictis2789
      @vaevictis2789 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      I learnt its easier to maintain angle when you dont move your hands at all, but instead move your torso back and force with your leg. Like swaying movement, long and relatively slow. Managed to sharpen my knife to a point i can shave hair with it

    • @sebaschan-uwu
      @sebaschan-uwu ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The first time I sharpened a knife it took me like 4 hours. It takes a lot of dexterity and hand strength to apply force to the blade while overcoming the friction on the whetstone while maintaining a fine sharpening angle consistently. But conceptually it's quite simple. Just sharpen the blade without destroying it.

    • @Cyber_Kriss
      @Cyber_Kriss ปีที่แล้ว +3

      3 rules :
      - Practice
      - Practice
      - Practice

    • @n3squ1k666
      @n3squ1k666 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just take your time. At first just do everything slowly and meaningfully, thinking about every muscle you engage for the task. Then repeat it plenty of times as slow as you can, don't think about speeding up. Few days later you won't even realise you already have speed you could not reach a week ago.

    • @hugotendam5349
      @hugotendam5349 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Never fear. First time I started sharpening my knives I made scratch patterns on my knives. Fortunately I kept at it and got better. A shame for the knives, but I can still use them.

  • @xFalconFixer
    @xFalconFixer 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Hey Vincent! I just wanted to drop you a quick note to say how AWESOME you are! Your instructions are spot on, and your pace is perfect - not too fast, not too slow. I APPRECIATE how you make the tough stuff easy to understand, and you always know just what to say. Thanks a bunch for being such an incredible TEACHER!

  • @rayang9929
    @rayang9929 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +159

    My prison shank has never been soo sharp!!! thank you so much

    • @humblyright
      @humblyright 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Outstanding! Lol

    • @Krushard
      @Krushard 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Lmao

  • @DominusSantorini
    @DominusSantorini ปีที่แล้ว +19

    One of the best videos I've seen on knife sharpening with whetstones

  • @nisaabin8793
    @nisaabin8793 ปีที่แล้ว +126

    The gadget (?) Used in the video:
    1:34 Rough Stone >> 220 grit
    1:38 Stone base (optional)
    4:06 Stone fixer to flatten wetstone
    4:41 2 coins to create an angel while sharpening
    6:42 Medium stone >> 1000 grit
    7:23 Finishing stone >> 3000 grit

    • @ColinM9991
      @ColinM9991 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You brilliant person, thank you for that

    • @sayianstakepain
      @sayianstakepain ปีที่แล้ว +1

      whetstone holder and a stone flatner or a diamond plate steel based for flatning since those stay flat so yeah

    • @Kevin-finity
      @Kevin-finity ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you very much!!! Very helpful.

    • @Jaeahn16
      @Jaeahn16 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      2 coins and I can get my own angel 😇

    • @NeverQLND
      @NeverQLND ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!

  • @harveygee8143
    @harveygee8143 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I've had my knives sharpened at Korin. Fantastic sharpening job.

  • @itsgoingtobeok-justbreathe4808
    @itsgoingtobeok-justbreathe4808 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    this was a master class in knife sharpening. thank you.

  • @jjf609
    @jjf609 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Beginner here. Best sharpening video. Clear, thorough & concise. Thank you.

  • @kasibree
    @kasibree ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Thank you for this! My grandmother has ONE wet stone she would use DRY to sharpen her knives at a terrible angle (and has since developed that curve in the center), and immediately would cut food without cleaning the blade 😵 I'm taking over that task for her because those knives dont deserve that kind of treatment lol.

    • @matijaatelsek7587
      @matijaatelsek7587 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is the knife actually sharper after her treatment?

  • @scratchcratch
    @scratchcratch ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I am thankful for this gentleman's meticulous craftsmanship and lucid elucidation of the process. After countless videos and personal experience with wet stones, his passion and expertise have provided the comprehensive answers I've sought.

    • @ztweston
      @ztweston ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I extend my deepest appreciation for the gentleman's superlative finesse displayed in craftsmanship and their eloquent explication, meticulously detailing the intricacies of the process. Immersed extensively in an array of videos and enriched by personal tactile encounters with wet stones, his steadfast ardor and matchless proficiency have not merely enlightened but also impeccably addressed the meticulous inquiries I have assiduously pursued.

    • @AndrewDRoyappa
      @AndrewDRoyappa ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@ztweston thank you for accomplishing what I knew was requisite, but could only aspire to wistfully

    • @Wren1
      @Wren1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ‘Lucid elucidation’ is redundant, and it's a whetstone, not a ‘wet stone’.

    • @ztweston
      @ztweston ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Wren1 thank you internet grammar policeman

    • @Wren1
      @Wren1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ztweston I responded to OP, which means that you would not have received a notification. Do you really have so much free time and narcissism that you go through checking threads you've commented on in a vain hope that someone has written something for you to jump on? Read a book and get a life, junior.

  • @gooseonaloose1335
    @gooseonaloose1335 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    feels very zen while sharpening a knife with a whetstone. my first attempt sharpening my knife was kinda disappointing i did not get the results that i wanted but in my second attempt OMG it was glorious, slicing tomato with no effort i'm so very happy with the results. my $170 did not go to waste thanks to you ❤

  • @Ozzborn85
    @Ozzborn85 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Yet another proof whi Epicurious is one of my all time fav channels. This video is exacatly what I needed, I recently tried the wet stone sharpening for the first time (only after reading some instructions and basics) and was not satisfied with the result of that first try at all. Now it has become much clearer! Not to mention that this master sharpener is an excelent at teaching as well as sharpening. Thanks!

    • @maliniravi4644
      @maliniravi4644 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Godzilla had a stroke reading this and died

  • @cyang17
    @cyang17 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow... the transformation of that knife over the years... respect.

  • @ColdTakes585
    @ColdTakes585 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Ok but this guy is freaking AWESOME!! Best sharpening video I’ve ever found

    • @ChauNyan
      @ChauNyan ปีที่แล้ว

      I saw a video on this guy before

  • @georgemorley1029
    @georgemorley1029 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It certainly works. I repaired a cleaver with this method yesterday. I didn’t take it to the finishing stone level, just rough, medium and fine stones, then a quick hone on a steel. For a cleaver to cut paper is more than it needs, but before it wouldn’t cut butter!

  • @rezkyahairy
    @rezkyahairy ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i love knives, and this is the best knife restore/sharpening tutorial out there!

  • @williamt15
    @williamt15 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very detail and clear tutorial. Thank you Vincent, finally know how to sharpen my knife.

  • @fairyxpony
    @fairyxpony ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fantastic video, Vincent is a legend when it comes to the best knives in NYC

  • @raditz9676
    @raditz9676 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    If it was with Frank Proto, he would have mined his iron, melted his steel ingot, forged his knife and only then sharpened it. And I'd loved every moment of that clip. This one wasn't bad either :)

    • @Gotham_Media
      @Gotham_Media ปีที่แล้ว

      Overrated

    • @Aerostarm
      @Aerostarm ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Wow, that joke was so creative and funny

    • @gabrieldinglasan
      @gabrieldinglasan ปีที่แล้ว +7

      it's a very Frank thing to do 🤣

    • @R-T01
      @R-T01 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      😂😂 he’s actually done a knife sharpening video

    • @oldcowbb
      @oldcowbb ปีที่แล้ว +2

      will it keel?

  • @dlnbm
    @dlnbm 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been sharpening on a whetstone for 5 years but learn something new, thank you

  • @PeterWilson-ow8dm
    @PeterWilson-ow8dm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the best and well explained video I've seen on how to sharpen a knife properly, thank you 👏👍

  • @DailyFrankPeter
    @DailyFrankPeter ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It really is very simple:
    1) practice until you can hold the knife to within 1-minute-of-angle precision by hand ;)
    2) move blade across stone until sharp :)

  • @oneupmanship
    @oneupmanship ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sharpened most of my kitchen knives last week, now I have to go back and do it all over again.

  • @deletrious26
    @deletrious26 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love seeing Vincent's videos.

  • @cospittner3526
    @cospittner3526 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Best sharpening video I’ve seen. Really great content. Thank you.

  • @Smurez
    @Smurez 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best of all sharpening tutorials out there. Only thing I am missing are the grits of the stones you used

  • @casey2732
    @casey2732 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks!!! Short and on point!

  • @Coruptshun
    @Coruptshun ปีที่แล้ว +2

    best video i've seen by a long shot. love this guy - super in depth. thanks

  • @ildarzamaletdinov3591
    @ildarzamaletdinov3591 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice recommends. Every detail counts and makes a master piece result. Thanks a lot

  • @nicholash.7656
    @nicholash.7656 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sweet. We used the two penny trick in Boy Scouts. Glad to hear it had some basis behind it.

  • @grahamnorth3529
    @grahamnorth3529 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Really helpful video. I bought my first whetstone this week and am looking forward to learning this skill and getting my knife perfect 👍

  • @victoradam1230
    @victoradam1230 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    a knife, is your most trusted weapon in the kitchen, basicaly the thing that makes the most difference when not well mantained, it's your job to mantain it well

  • @jimijoejoe7578
    @jimijoejoe7578 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Works a treat!!! Great advice

  • @tormodi5925
    @tormodi5925 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The best knife sharpening video I've seen! Wow. Thanks a lot

  • @majed01390
    @majed01390 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very wonderful explanation with amazing close out

  • @mistyblue2917
    @mistyblue2917 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This was very informative, thanks

  • @michaelkeon3215
    @michaelkeon3215 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best knife sharpening video I have watched to date. Thank you.

  • @leehranicka3689
    @leehranicka3689 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, thank you, amazing presentation!

  • @abhishekpargunde5815
    @abhishekpargunde5815 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It was very helpful video now I can sharpen the knife very efficiently. Thankyou ❤

  • @petertruong83
    @petertruong83 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the clear explanation, Sensei! Arigato!

  • @BalIistaboy
    @BalIistaboy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow that before and after is amazing.

  • @prodbybabygod7411
    @prodbybabygod7411 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Knives videos like this bring a very interesting demographic.
    I make knives and like to watch people make/restore them.
    But it seems allot of chefs are also here 😂

  • @70foolio
    @70foolio ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this video. I feel more confident attempting to sharpen my knives.❤

  • @RizalIsmail
    @RizalIsmail 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really clear explanation and feel the humble of you. Thanks, I will try apply your method.
    🙏

  • @phildenegri2801
    @phildenegri2801 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vincent is the best!

  • @johnbeard7404
    @johnbeard7404 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent. Thank You.

  • @norfy
    @norfy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This guy is a great teacher

  • @ZealousKnightsGaming
    @ZealousKnightsGaming 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can you share what stones you are using? Thanks! Excellent video

  • @ColombianLNP
    @ColombianLNP ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wooow this was pretty cool ! Thabks for the video guys really enjoyed learning something new today!

  • @cachaoni
    @cachaoni 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for a remarkable easy to follow and understand video. Dumb down the process which is indeed a difficult to master.

  • @shayann2228
    @shayann2228 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    2:13 you wanna have a nice grip and a stable holding, but that doesn’t mean you have to follow one way strictly. Use various types of handling the knife and try out the best you can. Since you wanna learn this, it is obligatory to remain patients and to master this, it could take a few months (you won’t sharpen you knife every day, not even after a week, maybe hardly after one month. So, this timeline might not fall for you, since it’s depending on regular practice)

  • @Dennis-lp7xe
    @Dennis-lp7xe ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I know many people who would consider the unsharpend knife already as very sharp 😂

  • @patrickf.4966
    @patrickf.4966 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "You must be delicate on this finishing stone"- hits edge directly on stone

  • @PL-px3gw
    @PL-px3gw ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Korin is such a fantastic place. A treasure in the city!

  • @pomegranatepip2482
    @pomegranatepip2482 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a great video. Well done.

  • @edwinvino6230
    @edwinvino6230 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best 10min video on the internet

  • @jeankutzer1556
    @jeankutzer1556 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great demonstration. Thank you.

  • @gabrielasancheznolazco3074
    @gabrielasancheznolazco3074 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excelente video 🙌🏻

  • @Wren1
    @Wren1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, this was very informative.

  • @jordankettles952
    @jordankettles952 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thanks vincent you legend

  • @xFrawsx
    @xFrawsx ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautifull video, thank you!

  • @Mochila03
    @Mochila03 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sharpened my knives on a stone recently. Did not remember his advice to release pressure pushing towards the blade edge and gouged my stone a few times.

  • @zygaming339
    @zygaming339 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful knives

  • @jonathantice9387
    @jonathantice9387 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you. Awesome video

  • @irraesto7283
    @irraesto7283 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know how to sharp knives with stone and rods but i still like watching this kinda videos

  • @erikolsen6269
    @erikolsen6269 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video, thanks

  • @wagnera.g.oliveira
    @wagnera.g.oliveira ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you!

  • @MarcusHalverstram
    @MarcusHalverstram 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Finally a useful video

  • @coffeegeek54
    @coffeegeek54 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Stone base that you'd recommend?

  • @joeycarrillo7023
    @joeycarrillo7023 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was satisfying I must say...

  • @qaidikramuddin
    @qaidikramuddin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the kendo-gi.

  • @mrhouzef.
    @mrhouzef. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great tutoriel, very clear, thanks for the tips !

    • @einundsiebenziger5488
      @einundsiebenziger5488 หลายเดือนก่อน

      tutorial*

    • @mrhouzef.
      @mrhouzef. หลายเดือนก่อน

      @einundsiebenziger5488 sorry it's my correcteur

  • @FoOtFoOt542
    @FoOtFoOt542 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m try this tomorrow

  • @nathanfast7974
    @nathanfast7974 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "This paring knife used to be a Claymore. See what happens when you properly sharpen your tools?"

  • @sammaldonado7497
    @sammaldonado7497 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    F yeah, vincent is the best

  • @mattschroeder3432
    @mattschroeder3432 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you sir

  • @iriskeniafernandez5647
    @iriskeniafernandez5647 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wish there was a link to the tools they are using

  • @tofusaid
    @tofusaid ปีที่แล้ว

    THANK YOU SIR!

  • @enriquealencardelcastillo4759
    @enriquealencardelcastillo4759 ปีที่แล้ว

    Buena demostración

  • @EmEsjay1
    @EmEsjay1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bravo sir

  • @randallm7262
    @randallm7262 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have battled with properly sharping knives for years, my biggest issue is maintaining the angle on both sides. The two pennies are so mindblowing and simplistic I think even I can pull this off. I guess the question now is, are some stones better that others? Or are all wetstones created equal by type?

    • @knifeaddict1014
      @knifeaddict1014 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yea they are many different variants of stones. I would do my own research before you buy any.

  • @claudiaconrad3290
    @claudiaconrad3290 ปีที่แล้ว

    I appreciate you for sharing your knowledge chef! Thank you!!!!

  • @joeswheat
    @joeswheat ปีที่แล้ว

    👏👏👏EXCELLENT !!!

  • @СтепанРоманов-ю6д
    @СтепанРоманов-ю6д 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A very accessible, understandable and interesting video. Although I am self-taught, I have already 1.5 years of experience in sharpening knives and more. And so I want to say that this person is well versed in this. Thank you for this video)

  • @williamhollar7844
    @williamhollar7844 ปีที่แล้ว

    What stones do you recommend

  • @myuthukhyla5367
    @myuthukhyla5367 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a real talent to make every knife i try to shart even more blunt than before.

  • @sauros1
    @sauros1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    These videos always gloss over the most important part: keeping the knife angle consistent. Most people are going to fail miserably at freehanding knife sharpening like this.

  • @GC987
    @GC987 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanation !

  • @bikeny
    @bikeny ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm saving this one so I do it in the future (I'm moving soon, so I will be getting the tools).
    I do have one suggestion for the channel hosts: Please, pretty please with sugar on top: do not use any music while someone is speaking. It is distracting. Thx.

  • @Jay-ql4gp
    @Jay-ql4gp ปีที่แล้ว

    That was excellent! Thank you!

  • @normannisbet1213
    @normannisbet1213 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Top informative video and your relaxed nature kept me engaged.

  • @runnersp1985
    @runnersp1985 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating stuff.

  • @DsqaureD0495
    @DsqaureD0495 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video!

  • @jonathanheinzman2703
    @jonathanheinzman2703 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've seen other tools sharped on whetstones that are finished with a leather strip to "align the metal" or something like that. Is there a reason he doesn't do this after the finishing stone?

    • @LikeBOOMCA
      @LikeBOOMCA ปีที่แล้ว +10

      A leather strop in not necessarily a must if you finish on a high grit stone, though there‘s still a noticeable improvement after stropping your knife.

    • @boxlad7583
      @boxlad7583 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      stropping is to remove burrs, or microscopic protrusions in the edge that make it duller

    • @dbportillo
      @dbportillo ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not a requirement but will definitely give you that insane level of sharpness should you want it. The stones alone will give you a razor edge needed for everyday cooking. You can also use newspaper to get similar results.

    • @jtris01
      @jtris01 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A strop will have similar results to a high grit whetstone.

  • @katy1560
    @katy1560 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi. After watching yr video am very keen to sharpen my knives but unsure of type of grit whetstones to buy. Can you recommend plse