The fact that’s they didn’t immediately dust the car handle, and the car seat latch for fingerprints is criminal! The fact that they didn’t mark off the the original footprints in the snow is criminal! The fact that they didn’t examine the baby, and try and warm him, and revive him, is criminal! This whole case reeks of police ineptitude!
You don't leave a child in a car. However, the tunnel vision of police and the failure of the examiner is reprehensible. The officer will believe she is guilty because accepting her innocence means a child died who might have been saved if not for the officer's incompetence.
The incompetence of the police is mind-blowing. It must be a cold day in HELL when cops can declare someone dead. What is the point of the coroner? The cop should have tried everything he was trained to do to try and save Dusty.
when I was 25 years old, I had a one year old daughter in a stroller , I stopped to make a phone call and in one minute I looked over and my baby was gone. I lost it I stated screaming hysterically and ran right the middle of the road on the yellow line screaming and screaming . I then ran back to the phone and phoned the police, when a little boy on his bike came up to me and said did you lose your baby , and then lead me across the two lane HI way and about 100 meters across a field over a small hill and at the bottom there was my baby sitting on some sand. The moral of the story is if some one takes your child make the biggest scene and maybe the creep with drop the baby for fear of being caught
Was this case investigated? Anybody found? In downtown Montreal I saw a woman park a stroller outside a bank and go in. The child was less than a year I’d say. I could not believe what I saw. I waited until I saw the same lady come out and carry on. I started thinking maybe it was a nanny who really didn’t care or a mother who didn’t deserve a baby. To this day, 30 years later, I’m horrified by that event.
@@baublesanddolls I meant now. But, yeah you're right, although I would only leave mine in the car for the shortest time. When my sons were babies, I could leave them in the pram outside the Supermarket. Often there was a row of prams, lined up by the window. Times have changed a lot in a relatively short while.
Back in the 80s that’s just what our parents did, leave us in the car. One time a man came in the front seat and saw us in the back and realized he was in the wrong van. Could have ended badly for us if he had ill intentions. Scary to think about. I never once left my children alone in the car!
When i was a baby, i was in my stroller and my mom was window shopping, she was about to go in and look at a dress and leave me on the sidewalk but an older woman approached her and said "You never ever leave your baby alone anywhere, take her with you." So my mom took me with her. This was in Montreal, 1972
Yes, a whole town CAN be wrong. Look at the Salem Witch Trials. Postpartum mothers need WAY MORE support. Postpartum depression and psychosis are not uncommon nor are they character flaws.
When my baby sister was in a custody battle with her baby’s father, me and my friend saw the baby in the dad’s car and he was inside his house packing his clothes. He had taken the baby from my sister a couple of months before and refused to let her see her baby. After I saw him in the car, I opened the door and got the baby and took him to his mom. She immediately left the state and went to where our family lives. It doesn’t take long for a child to disappear
@@Marie.b What the police think is of concern as they will be able to arrest you as returning to the scene of the crime to hide the evidence, whether you are really guilty or not. Maybe getting a search party could also help, then you'll have wittnesses.
The OPP are corrupt as hell. They made an excuse to stop me, confiscated my vehicle, had it towed to their buddies tow company went in the back room with the lardbutt tow guy, came out and both convinced me it was best to sign it over to him as my fees and fines would be so high. They called up a taxi and the loud large woman taxidozer said she'd take me to Soux St. Marie, I asked how much, she grabbed my walled and snatched out every cent I had and she sad "THAT MUCH, KIDDO" while they all laughed like drunks. The cops thru my bags in her car and she took me there. I asked to stop to go to the bathroom and she literally near knocked me down to get there first, actually elbowing me to get past me. She was a pig, smoking in the only stall while I was dying to go and she let me go in finally let me go in. She called on her radio to a woman who had a hotel and she told me I had to clean rooms for a few days to pay for my room. I never forgot those cops, just evil. One kept licking his fat lips so I was glad to get out untouched. ACAB. Quite the little scam they have going. A real little money money maker when you catch the right young girl at night. 4 of them and 1 of me!😢😢😢😢
He can't own up to the fact he probably killed the baby by assuming he was dead when they found him instead of taking him to get medical attention as he should have. It's easier to continue to assert the Julie killed her own child to avoid his own incompetence and culpability. That's why the police never investigated further. They knew a new investigation would uncover more incompetence and that their officers essentially killed Dusty through neglect.
😢my Mom told me that I was almost stolen out of my pram back in va 1959. She wanted to get some housework done and she left the front door open so she could keep watch. So at one point, she looked out the front door and found me in the arms of a young mentally challenged woman. So this person had to open a gate, go up our walk and up the steps to the front veranda. Mom didn’t do that again. The young woman said I just wanted to see the baby. Frightening.
I think the defenses theory _is_ what happened because Julie told them. One of her brothers took the baby as some sick 'joke' to hurt her but it got out of hand when she did what any sane mother would and called the police. Her SIL likely told her they'd leave the baby somewhere to be found if Juile didn't tell anyone what happened. So she had a 'dream' or convinced them to look outside the city and lead the police to where she was told they'd leave him, probably only an hour before. The police officer assumed the baby was dead when he was actually extremely hyperthermic and he died hours after being found from lack of medical attention. Julie is likely the scapegoat for her narcissistic family and simply didn't (and still doesn't) believe that the police would believe her if she told them the bizarre truth.
Maybe the sister-in law insisted that she follow up on the dream hoping that the baby would be found alive which he was according to the specialist. How could anyone leave a baby is beyond me.
So many judgemental comments about her leaving him in the car and the door unlocked - those was a small town in the 1980s - very much the norm. I can guarantee thos though - no child would have been left in an unlocked car ever again in that small town.
It was SO common even into the 90s. I remember it being a bigger issue in the summer that babies would die than that parents were worried about kidnapping.
I know it was a long time ago and things have changed but, if that Dr testified that she thought the baby could have been saved - oh my! That’s bad. So sad. Always sad 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Who left him in the snow? The police who found him at the scene, that's who!!! How could they have not started resuscitation right there??? The officers that did not do this should be held accountable.
I agree with you..!!! there are so many documented incidents of children surviving hypothermia - against all odds..!!! also: that cop picked up what he says he "knew" was a dead child and put him on a tarp that was spread on the ground. that was a crime scene, ffs..!!! 1st - preserve life. 2nd - preserve evidence. OPP. not known for their 'smarts'.
I recall a case from 1994 where a 2.5 year old girl from Saskatchewan was found frozen by her mother. It was estimated she wandered out of the house shortly after her father left for work (about 3 am), and was found at 8am, so about 5 hours. She was presumed dead but was successfully resuscitated. However, this was unheard of at the time and considered a miracle by some. There have been other cases since, so that doctors do not usually declare someone dead (especially young children) until they are warm and dead. But this was 6 years after the Dusty Bowers case, and I can understand declaring someone dead when there is no breathing or pulse and his body is frozen.
@@MarieAnne.Thanks for posting that. I remember that case and remember it being seen as miraculous at the time but could not remember the year. So when the Dusty Bowers case happened they probably did right by the knowledge of the time. They should have probably checked for a pulse as they couldn't be sure when she was left but it is very hard to check for a pulse on an infant and it would have been extremely weak.
One of the last lines from Julie “They know what they did and they’ll have to live everyday with it and look into their own kids knowing what they did” I have a feeling that Julie has suspects in mind when saying that. She believes there’s more than one and that they have their own kids. Honestly though what an absolute fumble with the “investigation “ you can’t even really call it that because there was no investigation. No taking the car in for evidence and running over it with a fine tooth comb, no taking impressions of the footprints in the snow or photographs, no fingerprinting the car seat buckle . Then having a coroner that bodgied up the timeline. Absolutely ridiculous this little baby deserved the best investigation possible.
The ones who should have investigated further are not doing so because they actually murdered the child especially since they did NOT do CPR/how to help a person/child that seemed to be frozen. They don’t want the mom to sue their butts off! I personality don’t think she had anything to do with his kidnapping. How sad and disgusting for this to have to happened.
So the baby was alive when he was found, and perhaps could have been saved if the police officer had not declared that the baby was dead because he new what a dead body looked like!!! outrageous , and what about the coroners, and these are the people we should trust in our society??
Why today this mother in looks, demeanor and whole personality is unrecognizable. Whether she was told to disguise herself or not she comes off as totally sketchy.
No further investigation was done because the timing of death would of put the police department/officer in custody of the child. Then they would get charged for homicide. I don't know why a civil suit was never put into play for homicide, failure to do a proper investigation and prematurely closing the case... Should of been labeled a cold case not closed. Mother killer or not that baby never got justice.
I believe Julie, and it's good for her she was exonerated. They mentioned tensions and bad blood in her family which led up to the situation. The only thing you could blame Julie for is carelessness in not locking her car door with her small children inside, and I'm sure she learned her lesson. Was that other child of hers unable to speak for himself so that he could confirm whether his brother was sitting in the back or if he remembered another person entering the car to take the baby? That officer who assisted Julie in her search will obviously never admit to doing his job improperly so it's of no surprise he.says what he says. Despite his lack of support, there were a few disinterested eye witnesses to corroborate Julie's version of the story. I do believe Julie's dream came as a revelation from the spirit world.
I have watched a few Canadian crime videos and all of them have some level of weirdness on the police side . I dont know, someone is lying either the mother or some element of the investigation either Police or medical investigation was wrong. My vote is its the mother. How is she smiling like a Cheshire cat when she was let go. ( Her child was dead)
Yes and saying "the baby, the baby"! when she discovered her baby was missing is considered a distancing language in body language code not common with a desperate parent who might say "my baby" instead, and knowing EXACTLY where her baby was after having a dream is outrageous to believe plus the fact that she wasted time going to the police first to tell them about the dream instead of flying out of bed and going straight on her own to find him ASAFP is nonsensical in ever way.
Why in the world would anyone leave a child in the car alone? So sad 😢. It makes no sense that someone would take the baby and then relock the straps on the car seat. Odd that she had a dream of exactly where he was too.
She looks so happy after she was acquitted like too happy. I lost a son to a drug overdose and believe me being that happy after 23456 years no I wouldn’t be. I’d still be a wreck.
I don’t agree. Losing a son to a drug overdose is no comparison to what occurred here unless you gave your son the drugs, not to mention you probably never faced the prospect of life in prison because your son died. Her giddiness is based on not have to spend her life in prison. At the time of the verdict her son’s murder had occurred two year’s earlier and by that time her expressions of sorrow would have shifted to times when she was in private and/or alone. Losing a child to death, whatever the reason is one of the worse experiences in life, but one cannot scream, cry and tear at one’s hair IN PUBLIC forever more without being committed.
@@arlenewitt248 "Her expressions of sorrow would have shifted to times when she was in private and/or alone." How you can make such a statement about anyone is mind-blowing.
That's what I thought. She looked delighted. Maybe she didn't do it, but I have seen mother's on tv who have lost babies in tragic ways, and they are never the same. Still inconsolable twenty years later. She seemed too calm, from the start. I would be in pieces, and I am not even a mother. R.I.P. sweet little boy.
What was the motive of the “perpetrator”??? Wasn’t to steal a car, then realize a baby was in back? Car was still there! The bizarre “premonition” seals the deal for me. How do you lead police right to the body after a bit of a drive??? I think everyone agrees Police messed up the investigation and could have done more, unfortunately, however your defence was saying your family was teaching her a lesson?? By fake kidnapping the baby?? If that was the case why take the child and hide him in a snow bank?! Her family members would have to be sociopaths to think of doing that. Interesting too how they had called out previously that she should not have been leaving her child in the car unattended. Kincardine is cottage country, surrounded by fields and forests. You have this vague vision of your baby laying near trees in snow… could have been absolutely anywhere yet … you somehow are able to take them to the area? If she truly didn’t do it, you would spend every waking moment trying to get justice for your baby; I’d like to know if after all this time how many times she pushed OPP for justice.. lastly…. Bad enough to leave baby in car.. however why would you at the very least not lock the doors??
Canadian Casey Anthony. I hate these defense attorneys that are experts at spin and doubt. They aren't wanting truth, they want to win. It's all a game to them This wonderful prosecutor had to be told he let a baby die, all part of the same game Jose Baez played. 'maybe the line operator who found the body did it!' The only people in America fooled by Jose Baez was that jury. All these years later, we see what Casey's father went through as the defense attorney used him as his game winner. I hope there is a hell for people like him.
Def sounds like the family did it to teach her a lesson, and note the baby was NOT dead when they found it. So they had only just put the baby there. Thats why it didn't have frostbite - the forensics lady said it could not have been dead until it was put in the body bag without oxygen
I can remember being left in the car while my mother shopped or did whatever she was doing. I was born in 1975. It was a super common thing to do. No mother thought something bad would happen to there baby or I’m sure they would not have left them. Thankfully now we know a bit more and hopefully don’t make the same mistakes. Only now we are dealing with kids that can’t do anything on there own because we haven’t left them to make any decisions on there own. But that’s a different story.
Yep. We were told not to answer the door for anyone but a cop and if someone other than police asked us to open the door we were to honk the horn to scare them away lol
Do y'all in Canada just NOT do ground searches when a baby goes missing? I'm super confused how law enforcement weren't searching nearby wooded areas? Wild story!
@@stephanied9629abnormal to lock the car..? sorry, it's not clear to me what you mean. but no matter. I don't agree that it would've been normal to not lock the car in a small town in 1980. I'm from a small town and I know - a good mother would never leave her sleeping child alone anywhere..!!!
I'd be interested to know if the sister in law had any contact with her before she had the dream. It would be very easy to plant the idea of him lying in the snow by saying expressing how concerned they were and saying "I hope he isn't lying in the woods somewhere, lying cold in the snow."
I suspect it was the brother/SIL. They told her after the fact where to find the baby after they realized they were in deep trouble. She had a 'dream' and lead the police to where she was told to look. The baby was likely alive and in deep hyperthermia when found. The cop accidentally killed the child by not getting medical attention and won't admit he was not only wrong but likely caused Dusty's death through inaction.
What about the car seat being still buckled. She was holding the baby and her husband was the driver thats why his car seat was buckled he must have beaten the baby in his car seat or strangled him and then washed the car seat cover and put it back have his wife hold the baby and then thinking the child was dead the husband laid the baby down in the snow and drove away.
If she didn’t do it, why not try to find the person who did it. She did it. , because who Leaves a baby in the car in the dead of winter. She left him in the snow before running errands.
I’m just beginning to watch but had to comment WHO would leave their baby unattended in a vehicle period?!?!? I know this world was a lot safer back then BUT HE WAS A BABY!!!! 🤦🏼♀️💔😞
I can't believe she left her most valuable 'possession' in plain sight in her unlocked car. she would've locked the car if she'd left some inanimate object in there, like - say - a computer, her purse, even groceries..!!!
A lot of shit in the case was f'd up but regardless, she killed the baby. Possibly had postpartum, her & the husband were weird & creepy. But she was definitely guilty.
I’m up to 21:05 Firstly just because the male that did the autopsy most likely matched the time of death to fit the police theory. Doesn’t mean that the mother still couldn’t be responsible for Dusty’s death. She (the mother) could’ve dropped Dusty there in the snow right before or not long before going to the police about her “dream” . This would explain why he may have still been alive in the bodybag .
I don't believe she killed him, police use psychics all the time, not so far fetched that she had a dream. Regardless, those cops/coroner completely blew it.
I didn't say she was a psychic, my point was if cops sometimes bring in people with genuine psychic abilities it's no so far fetched that a mother could have a dream or vision about her own child. @@janicearluck6637
Wait... Nobody ever even tried to revive that baby? The officer knows death when he see's it? The baby was possibly alive while they worked the crime scene and left him laying in the snow and then they say he may have suffocated in the body bag? I would sue that Law Enforcement Officer and the affiliated Law enforcement Station. What a horrible revelation that poor Mother had to learn about her Baby.😭
Nevermind...why wouldn't the mother fight like a hell cat to save her baby or see if it was still alive?! She did it 100%. Let's hear the other son's testimony.
Im a single mom, ive been overwhelmed dozens of times i get it but i would never have left my baby in the car ever. If he was slerping in his seat i wouldve instrapped him and taken him with me careful not to wake him up. That woman is 100% guilty and a crappy parent.
she's admitting to the crime by means of a convenient "dream" invention. I smell BS. She's shedding crocodile tears. sobbing but no tears coming out of her eyes.
Dreams happens That smile tho does make yah wonder. However there was no investigations. Everything was done wrong to prove beyond a benefit of a doubt. If she did it they didn't do their job to prove it. And they didn't even bother to look elsewhere. Because the question would come up for the time of death and they officers would be blamed.
im sorry, she did not dream where he was the only way she knew where he was, is because she left him there. the fact that the car seat was buckled without a kid in there is proof that she didnt have him when she went to the bank. did they question the kid?
What's the reasons someone would abduct a child, a baby? ...because they wanted the child for themselves, to raise for whatever reasons, or a pedophile took him. No indication what so ever in this video that there was a pedophile involved. And if someone took the baby to raise for themselves, they certainly wouldn't have taken him to the woods and lay him in the snow to die. If the mother didn't do it, then what other reason would a person have to do this, other than what I mentioned? Either the mother did it, or a pedophile took him, or someone that wanted him for their own. No other logical reason. Unless.... some nutcase got ticked that she left the child alone in that car and to "teach her a lesson" they took the baby and placed it in the snow so the mother would "pay for her choice".
Maybe the child was too weak to cry, but had anyone heard a whimper, they would have checked the body. The thing that makes the mother Julie appear quilty is because she knew where to find the body. That is bizarre no matter how you look at it.
Some very strange and bizarre things have happened with family connections. Mothers have connections with their children that some don't even realize. A gut feeling, a 6th sense... it's not something new.
This woman, the mother of Dusty left him alone in the car and the car unlocked. She needs to really take a deep hard look into herself. She is blaming others for her stupidity. This caused little baby Dusty’s demise. Then the police didn’t perform CPR on the baby or really do their due diligence in fully investigating this case properly.
I dont know... 1 year old left in the unlocked car ant took the other one with her?... Parked way too far from the bank for my comfort....omg..That mother has Nothing to smile about...I would be screaming, " Who killed my baby" I dont trust her...
They didn't intend to kill the baby. Likely they took him due to the internal family issues relized they were in deep, deep trouble once she freaked out and a search began. So the SIL told her they'd leave the baby somewhere to be found if she didn't tell the police who did it; then Julie lead the police there. The baby, as the expert doctor testified, was likely still alive and could have been saved if the police officer had gotten medical attention.
If she didn't lead the, than what about Officer Quinn? He happened to stop exactly where Dusty was? What are the odds? How do we know which is the true story of that drive??
She leaves a baby sleeping alone in the car? What a dumb, crappy parent! It’s even Winter. Either she shut the car off and took the key, which the car would get cold very fast! Or she left the car running, unlocked with the key in, in which case they could get kidnapped or car stolen and kidnapped. Even though I don’t think that’s the truth anyway! Poor, little Dusty! Bless his soul!
My mom's car door locks didn't even work back then. She left me an my brother in the car all the time to run into the store, the bank, ect... sometimes we were out there for hours summer and winter. There would be other kids left in their cars as well and we'd roll down our windows and talk and play with the other kids. Back then if a child went missing it was probably because they got lost no one ever thought of someone taking them. An infant can't walk off to get lost. But stories like this is why mothers today no longer leave kids alone in cars. If things like this never happened or no one ever knew about it mom's would still be doing it today .
I suspect it was a family member that took him and they told her they'd leave the baby in the woods to be found if she didn't tell police who did it. She led them out of the city to the general area she'd been told they'd find the baby. He was likely there for only an hour or so and could have been revived if the cops had gotten medical attention.
The fact that’s they didn’t immediately dust the car handle, and the car seat latch for fingerprints is criminal! The fact that they didn’t mark off the the original footprints in the snow is criminal! The fact that they didn’t examine the baby, and try and warm him, and revive him, is criminal! This whole case reeks of police ineptitude!
You don't leave a child in a car. However, the tunnel vision of police and the failure of the examiner is reprehensible. The officer will believe she is guilty because accepting her innocence means a child died who might have been saved if not for the officer's incompetence.
I agree but this was in the 80s, she had toddler riding in the front seat too. The laws just weren’t the same.
The incompetence of the police is mind-blowing. It must be a cold day in HELL when cops can declare someone dead. What is the point of the coroner? The cop should have tried everything he was trained to do to try and save Dusty.
when I was 25 years old, I had a one year old daughter in a stroller , I stopped to make a phone call and in one minute I looked over and my baby was gone. I lost it I stated screaming hysterically and ran right the middle of the road on the yellow line screaming and screaming . I then ran back to the phone and phoned the police, when a little boy on his bike came up to me and said did you lose your baby , and then lead me across the two lane HI way and about 100 meters across a field over a small hill and at the bottom there was my baby sitting on some sand. The moral of the story is if some one takes your child make the biggest scene and maybe the creep with drop the baby for fear of being caught
What a terrifying situation 😭😭😭
Absolutely horrible situation 😢😢😢😢
Omg! That is horrific! I’m so happy that you got your baby back! I just can’t imagine how scary that must have been!
The moral is DON’T TAKE YOUR EYES OFF YOUR CHILDREN IN PUBLIC!
Was this case investigated? Anybody found? In downtown Montreal I saw a woman park a stroller outside a bank and go in. The child was less than a year I’d say. I could not believe what I saw. I waited until I saw the same lady come out and carry on. I started thinking maybe it was a nanny who really didn’t care or a mother who didn’t deserve a baby. To this day, 30 years later, I’m horrified by that event.
Never leave a baby alone in a car
In the ‘80s, it was the norm.
@@baublesanddolls I meant now.
But, yeah you're right, although I would only leave mine in the car for the shortest time. When my sons were babies, I could leave them in the pram outside the Supermarket. Often there was a row of prams, lined up by the window.
Times have changed a lot in a relatively short while.
@@nicolarollinson4381 Definitely! The world has gone crazy!
@@nicolarollinson4381 So you mean people have become less stupid.
@@FariesWearBoots peace and love
I remember this investigation- sad then sadder now- not knowing who murdered your child 😢
Back in the 80s that’s just what our parents did, leave us in the car. One time a man came in the front seat and saw us in the back and realized he was in the wrong van. Could have ended badly for us if he had ill intentions. Scary to think about. I never once left my children alone in the car!
When i was a baby, i was in my stroller and my mom was window shopping, she was about to go in and look at a dress and leave me on the sidewalk but an older woman approached her and said "You never ever leave your baby alone anywhere, take her with you." So my mom took me with her. This was in Montreal, 1972
Yes, a whole town CAN be wrong. Look at the Salem Witch Trials.
Postpartum mothers need WAY MORE support. Postpartum depression and psychosis are not uncommon nor are they character flaws.
Everyone knows that a child is not dead until they are warm and dead! How horrific to think he may have been alive for hours after being found!
When my baby sister was in a custody battle with her baby’s father, me and my friend saw the baby in the dad’s car and he was inside his house packing his clothes. He had taken the baby from my sister a couple of months before and refused to let her see her baby. After I saw him in the car, I opened the door and got the baby and took him to his mom. She immediately left the state and went to where our family lives. It doesn’t take long for a child to disappear
You are a good brother. I'm certain your sister never forgot the moment she got her baby back.
If i had a dream that my child was somewhere, I'd be gone myself as soon as i woke up from that dream.
Yes me too i agree with u.
It was already police matters.They would likely conclude that she was tampering with evidence if she went alone.
@@nimue4325 what the police thought would not be my number one concern.
@@Marie.b What the police think is of concern as they will be able to arrest you as returning to the scene of the crime to hide the evidence, whether you are really guilty or not. Maybe getting a search party could also help, then you'll have wittnesses.
that retired OPP officer is a total jerk.
that's true of most OPP.
they have a BAD reputation.
The OPP are corrupt as hell. They made an excuse to stop me, confiscated my vehicle, had it towed to their buddies tow company went in the back room with the lardbutt tow guy, came out and both convinced me it was best to sign it over to him as my fees and fines would be so high. They called up a taxi and the loud large woman taxidozer said she'd take me to Soux St. Marie, I asked how much, she grabbed my walled and snatched out every cent I had and she sad "THAT MUCH, KIDDO" while they all laughed like drunks. The cops thru my bags in her car and she took me there. I asked to stop to go to the bathroom and she literally near knocked me down to get there first, actually elbowing me to get past me. She was a pig, smoking in the only stall while I was dying to go and she let me go in finally let me go in. She called on her radio to a woman who had a hotel and she told me I had to clean rooms for a few days to pay for my room. I never forgot those cops, just evil. One kept licking his fat lips so I was glad to get out untouched. ACAB. Quite the little scam they have going. A real little money money maker when you catch the right young girl at night. 4 of them and 1 of me!😢😢😢😢
He can't own up to the fact he probably killed the baby by assuming he was dead when they found him instead of taking him to get medical attention as he should have. It's easier to continue to assert the Julie killed her own child to avoid his own incompetence and culpability.
That's why the police never investigated further. They knew a new investigation would uncover more incompetence and that their officers essentially killed Dusty through neglect.
My question is why didn’t they measure those foot prints in the snow?? That’s an obvious clue?
Because they were incompetent rural OPP.
right lol? he said there was footprints and i said out loud "well were they the same shoe size as the mother or not??"
😢my Mom told me that I was almost stolen out of my pram back in va 1959. She wanted to get some housework done and she left the front door open so she could keep watch. So at one point, she looked out the front door and found me in the arms of a young mentally challenged woman. So this person had to open a gate, go up our walk and up the steps to the front veranda. Mom didn’t do that again. The young woman said I just wanted to see the baby. Frightening.
I couldn't imagine losing your child then being charged for his murder. I would die.
I believe her. And I believe dusty was still alive ❤❤ When they found him in the woods in the snow
I am with you.
me too! If she wanted to kill Dusty why she leaded the police to him.
I think the defenses theory _is_ what happened because Julie told them. One of her brothers took the baby as some sick 'joke' to hurt her but it got out of hand when she did what any sane mother would and called the police. Her SIL likely told her they'd leave the baby somewhere to be found if Juile didn't tell anyone what happened. So she had a 'dream' or convinced them to look outside the city and lead the police to where she was told they'd leave him, probably only an hour before. The police officer assumed the baby was dead when he was actually extremely hyperthermic and he died hours after being found from lack of medical attention.
Julie is likely the scapegoat for her narcissistic family and simply didn't (and still doesn't) believe that the police would believe her if she told them the bizarre truth.
@@nitayat9124 i'd assume it's theoretically because she knew he'd likely be dead by then
Maybe the sister-in law insisted that she follow up on the dream hoping that the baby would be found alive which he was according to the specialist. How could anyone leave a baby is beyond me.
I think it was her brother and his wife like was suggested. They panicked when they realized they would be charged for kidnapping.
So many judgemental comments about her leaving him in the car and the door unlocked - those was a small town in the 1980s - very much the norm. I can guarantee thos though - no child would have been left in an unlocked car ever again in that small town.
Oh yeah it wasn't unusual back at that time. We also bought smokes for our parents and grandparents! Things change..
It was SO common even into the 90s. I remember it being a bigger issue in the summer that babies would die than that parents were worried about kidnapping.
Folks are always judgemental "I" would have done this or that like we are si sparkly clean and have no flaws. Victim blaming always
Yep it’s just what our parents did back then.
I know it was a long time ago and things have changed but, if that Dr testified that she thought the baby could have been saved - oh my! That’s bad. So sad. Always sad 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Who left him in the snow? The police who found him at the scene, that's who!!! How could they have not started resuscitation right there??? The officers that did not do this should be held accountable.
I agree with you..!!!
there are so many documented incidents of children surviving hypothermia - against all odds..!!!
also: that cop picked up what he says he "knew" was a dead child and put him on a tarp that was spread on the ground.
that was a crime scene, ffs..!!!
1st - preserve life.
2nd - preserve evidence.
OPP. not known for their 'smarts'.
It's just so unfortunate and also horrifying that they found him and he didn't get the help
I think at that point they were sure he'd been there since he was reported missing, so presumed he'd be dead.
I recall a case from 1994 where a 2.5 year old girl from Saskatchewan was found frozen by her mother. It was estimated she wandered out of the house shortly after her father left for work (about 3 am), and was found at 8am, so about 5 hours. She was presumed dead but was successfully resuscitated. However, this was unheard of at the time and considered a miracle by some. There have been other cases since, so that doctors do not usually declare someone dead (especially young children) until they are warm and dead. But this was 6 years after the Dusty Bowers case, and I can understand declaring someone dead when there is no breathing or pulse and his body is frozen.
@@MarieAnne.Thanks for posting that. I remember that case and remember it being seen as miraculous at the time but could not remember the year. So when the Dusty Bowers case happened they probably did right by the knowledge of the time. They should have probably checked for a pulse as they couldn't be sure when she was left but it is very hard to check for a pulse on an infant and it would have been extremely weak.
What the police obviously didn't realize is that people can be brought back from even drowning if they are cold enough.
What mother wouldn't fight like a mfer to believe her son could still be alive and speed off to emerg?! 3 hours lapsed...she did it.
One of the last lines from Julie
“They know what they did and they’ll have to live everyday with it and look into their own kids knowing what they did”
I have a feeling that Julie has suspects in mind when saying that.
She believes there’s more than one and that they have their own kids.
Honestly though what an absolute fumble with the “investigation “ you can’t even really call it that because there was no investigation.
No taking the car in for evidence and running over it with a fine tooth comb, no taking impressions of the footprints in the snow or photographs, no fingerprinting the car seat buckle .
Then having a coroner that bodgied up the timeline.
Absolutely ridiculous this little baby deserved the best investigation possible.
They found him in the snow and decided to leave him there? Wtf? OMG
Mother did it. She knew where the body was
The baby could have been dropped off absolutely anywhere else...let's hear from the brother perhaps?!
The ones who should have investigated further are not doing so because they actually murdered the child especially since they did NOT do CPR/how to help a person/child that seemed to be frozen. They don’t want the mom to sue their butts off! I personality don’t think she had anything to do with his kidnapping. How sad and disgusting for this to have to happened.
So the baby was alive when he was found, and perhaps could have been saved if the police officer had not declared that the baby was dead because he new what a dead body looked like!!! outrageous , and what about the coroners, and these are the people we should trust in our society??
Why today this mother in looks, demeanor and whole personality is unrecognizable. Whether she was told to disguise herself or not she comes off as totally sketchy.
No further investigation was done because the timing of death would of put the police department/officer in custody of the child. Then they would get charged for homicide.
I don't know why a civil suit was never put into play for homicide, failure to do a proper investigation and prematurely closing the case... Should of been labeled a cold case not closed.
Mother killer or not that baby never got justice.
I believe Julie, and it's good for her she was exonerated. They mentioned tensions and bad blood in her family which led up to the situation. The only thing you could blame Julie for is carelessness in not locking her car door with her small children inside, and I'm sure she learned her lesson. Was that other child of hers unable to speak for himself so that he could confirm whether his brother was sitting in the back or if he remembered another person entering the car to take the baby? That officer who assisted Julie in her search will obviously never admit to doing his job improperly so it's of no surprise he.says what he says. Despite his lack of support, there were a few disinterested eye witnesses to corroborate Julie's version of the story. I do believe Julie's dream came as a revelation from the spirit world.
I was under the impression her older son was with her inside the bank
Look overseas. They leave their children in strollers outside when they're asleep while they go inside and shop or eat.
That CAN'T be true. Please tell me that's not a thing.
"they" "overseas" could you be anymore vague lmao
I have watched a few Canadian crime videos and all of them have some level of weirdness on the police side
. I dont know, someone is lying either the mother or some element of the investigation either Police or medical investigation was wrong. My vote is its the mother. How is she smiling like a Cheshire cat when she was let go. ( Her child was dead)
Yes and saying "the baby, the baby"! when she discovered her baby was missing is considered a distancing language in body language code not common with a desperate parent who might say "my baby" instead, and knowing EXACTLY where her baby was after having a dream is outrageous to believe plus the fact that she wasted time going to the police first to tell them about the dream instead of flying out of bed and going straight on her own to find him ASAFP is nonsensical in ever way.
Got to love the happy smiling face of the mother.
She looks very suspect to me when she's sat on sofa. Something not right there.
Why in the world would anyone leave a child in the car alone? So sad 😢. It makes no sense that someone would take the baby and then relock the straps on the car seat. Odd that she had a dream of exactly where he was too.
She looks so happy after she was acquitted like too happy. I lost a son to a drug overdose and believe me being that happy after 23456 years no I wouldn’t be. I’d still be a wreck.
I totally agree
I don’t agree. Losing a son to a drug overdose is no comparison to what occurred here unless you gave your son the drugs, not to mention you probably never faced the prospect of life in prison because your son died. Her giddiness is based on not have to spend her life in prison. At the time of the verdict her son’s murder had occurred two year’s earlier and by that time her expressions of sorrow would have shifted to times when she was in private and/or alone. Losing a child to death, whatever the reason is one of the worse experiences in life, but one cannot scream, cry and tear at one’s hair IN PUBLIC forever more without being committed.
@@arlenewitt248 "Her expressions of sorrow would have shifted to times when she was in private and/or alone." How you can make such a statement about anyone is mind-blowing.
That's what I thought. She looked delighted. Maybe she didn't do it, but I have seen mother's on tv who have lost babies in tragic ways, and they are never the same. Still inconsolable twenty years later. She seemed too calm, from the start. I would be in pieces, and I am not even a mother. R.I.P. sweet little boy.
Everyone grieves differently
I agree he was in forced torpor it’s devastating to think nobody tried to warm him! 😔🙏💐
What was the motive of the “perpetrator”??? Wasn’t to steal a car, then realize a baby was in back? Car was still there! The bizarre “premonition” seals the deal for me. How do you lead police right to the body after a bit of a drive??? I think everyone agrees Police messed up the investigation and could have done more, unfortunately, however your defence was saying your family was teaching her a lesson?? By fake kidnapping the baby?? If that was the case why take the child and hide him in a snow bank?! Her family members would have to be sociopaths to think of doing that. Interesting too how they had called out previously that she should not have been leaving her child in the car unattended. Kincardine is cottage country, surrounded by fields and forests. You have this vague vision of your baby laying near trees in snow… could have been absolutely anywhere yet … you somehow are able to take them to the area? If she truly didn’t do it, you would spend every waking moment trying to get justice for your baby; I’d like to know if after all this time how many times she pushed OPP for justice.. lastly…. Bad enough to leave baby in car.. however why would you at the very least not lock the doors??
Never leave children in the car!!!!!!
Should of atleast been charged with child negligence causing death.
She left her child alone in a car and didnt even get a slap on the wrist!!
FY
Her kids dead, it gets no worse.
25:59 The way she said no... I still think she did it. She lead the police to his little bo..dy
But yeah i can see where there's doubt of her guilt. Unless these officers knew where he was..
Canadian Casey Anthony.
I hate these defense attorneys that are experts at spin and doubt. They aren't wanting truth, they want to win.
It's all a game to them
This wonderful prosecutor had to be told he let a baby die, all part of the same game Jose Baez played. 'maybe the line operator who found the body did it!'
The only people in America fooled by Jose Baez was that jury.
All these years later, we see what Casey's father went through as the defense attorney used him as his game winner.
I hope there is a hell for people like him.
Oh my goodness...the child may have been alive in that body bag....horrific, but was that proven?
Def sounds like the family did it to teach her a lesson, and note the baby was NOT dead when they found it. So they had only just put the baby there. Thats why it didn't have frostbite - the forensics lady said it could not have been dead until it was put in the body bag without oxygen
I can remember being left in the car while my mother shopped or did whatever she was doing. I was born in 1975. It was a super common thing to do. No mother thought something bad would happen to there baby or I’m sure they would not have left them.
Thankfully now we know a bit more and hopefully don’t make the same mistakes.
Only now we are dealing with kids that can’t do anything on there own because we haven’t left them to make any decisions on there own. But that’s a different story.
Yep. We were told not to answer the door for anyone but a cop and if someone other than police asked us to open the door we were to honk the horn to scare them away lol
Do y'all in Canada just NOT do ground searches when a baby goes missing? I'm super confused how law enforcement weren't searching nearby wooded areas? Wild story!
"I don't know where he went" she said....like he got himself out..... to go for a walk??????
You Don't Let you child in a car PERIOD
Although this was in the late 80s , I couldn't imagine leaving my baby behind. 😢
Back then in the 1980s, in a small town, it wouldn’t have been abnormal to do.
@@stephanied9629 I certainly understand that. I know things were much different in the 80s than they are today.
@@stephanied9629abnormal to lock the car..? sorry, it's not clear to me what you mean.
but no matter.
I don't agree that it would've been normal to not lock the car in a small town in 1980.
I'm from a small town and I know -
a good mother would never leave her sleeping child alone anywhere..!!!
But that was not true in the 80s and even 90s. Context matters.
Mmm, just a thought....Mr Quinn stopped at McConnell str where she went up to him and then saw him. Why did he stop there....?¿?
I agree! Massive coincidence.....too crazy.
I'd be interested to know if the sister in law had any contact with her before she had the dream. It would be very easy to plant the idea of him lying in the snow by saying expressing how concerned they were and saying "I hope he isn't lying in the woods somewhere, lying cold in the snow."
I suspect it was the brother/SIL. They told her after the fact where to find the baby after they realized they were in deep trouble. She had a 'dream' and lead the police to where she was told to look. The baby was likely alive and in deep hyperthermia when found. The cop accidentally killed the child by not getting medical attention and won't admit he was not only wrong but likely caused Dusty's death through inaction.
Ummmm.... Why would you let a journalist handle evidence????
Shes wearing gloves.
What about the car seat being still buckled. She was holding the baby and her husband was the driver thats why his car seat was buckled he must have beaten the baby in his car seat or strangled him and then washed the car seat cover and put it back have his wife hold the baby and then thinking the child was dead the husband laid the baby down in the snow and drove away.
If she didn’t do it, why not try to find the person who did it. She did it.
, because who
Leaves a baby in the car in the dead of winter. She left him in the snow before running errands.
Exactly. That’s why she’s gotta be in disguise too. Doesn’t want people to know.. because, we know..
Where did the kidnapper put the baby whilst clipping his carseat back up???and who leaves a baby in a car?
This is ridiculous I don't know why you can't be responsible for something you did. You left the kid in the car!
One of THE weirdest stories ever; finding the child in such a way.
I’m just beginning to watch but had to comment WHO would leave their baby unattended in a vehicle period?!?!? I know this world was a lot safer back then BUT HE WAS A BABY!!!! 🤦🏼♀️💔😞
I can't believe she left her most valuable 'possession' in plain sight in her unlocked car.
she would've locked the car if she'd left some inanimate object in there, like - say - a computer, her purse, even groceries..!!!
Had a dream and led them to the exact spot 😂😂😂
Ikr. Suspicious to say the least. And then she didn't even ask to see him after he was discovered? It just doesn't add up
A lot of shit in the case was f'd up but regardless, she killed the baby. Possibly had postpartum, her & the husband were weird & creepy. But she was definitely guilty.
I’m up to 21:05
Firstly just because the male that did the autopsy most likely matched the time of death to fit the police theory. Doesn’t mean that the mother still couldn’t be responsible for Dusty’s death.
She (the mother) could’ve dropped Dusty there in the snow right before or not long before going to the police about her “dream” .
This would explain why he may have still been alive in the bodybag .
I don't believe she killed him, police use psychics all the time, not so far fetched that she had a dream. Regardless, those cops/coroner completely blew it.
how can she be a psychic when she her self says that her baby is gone.
I didn't say she was a psychic, my point was if cops sometimes bring in people with genuine psychic abilities it's no so far fetched that a mother could have a dream or vision about her own child. @@janicearluck6637
Police haven't used physics since the 80s. Back when people actually believed that bullshit.
Who leaves their baby in the car alone and it’s freezing outside!!!! 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️WHY!!!
💔💔💔💔✨🕊️✨🦋✨💔💔💔💔
👼🏼✨🤍WHY DIDNT THIS BABY’s LIFE💔MATTER!?!?!?!? 💔WHY???💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔👼🏼
Wait... Nobody ever even tried to revive that baby? The officer knows death when he see's it? The baby was possibly alive while they worked the crime scene and left him laying in the snow and then they say he may have suffocated in the body bag? I would sue that Law Enforcement Officer and the affiliated Law enforcement Station. What a horrible revelation that poor Mother had to learn about her Baby.😭
Nevermind...why wouldn't the mother fight like a hell cat to save her baby or see if it was still alive?! She did it 100%. Let's hear the other son's testimony.
So awful, my goodness
NEVER heard what cause of death was-
Hypothermia
How was the baby taken did she not lock the doors !? Very weird . Nobody would ever leave a child in an unlocked car .
Im a single mom, ive been overwhelmed dozens of times i get it but i would never have left my baby in the car ever. If he was slerping in his seat i wouldve instrapped him and taken him with me careful not to wake him up. That woman is 100% guilty and a crappy parent.
Should of closed your legs
My heart breakes for this mom she didnt have a chqnce to even morn her babys passing that they threw her in jail😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😮😮
she's admitting to the crime by means of a convenient "dream" invention. I smell BS.
She's shedding crocodile tears. sobbing but no tears coming out of her eyes.
That smile when she was acquitted sure was real. Soooo happy she got away with murder.
Dreams happens
That smile tho does make yah wonder.
However there was no investigations.
Everything was done wrong to prove beyond a benefit of a doubt. If she did it they didn't do their job to prove it. And they didn't even bother to look elsewhere. Because the question would come up for the time of death and they officers would be blamed.
Why are the OPP officers around 6:10 wearing pink crime scene jumpsuits?
This case is utterly abhorrent and unconscionable. The mother is despicable.
im sorry, she did not dream where he was
the only way she knew where he was, is because she left him there. the fact that the car seat was buckled without a kid in there is proof that she didnt have him when she went to the bank. did they question the kid?
Easy to match foot prints in snow. Or was the cop useless and stepped all over them.
For what would the uncle and aunt kill the baby for?! For what?!
Wow u guys are amazing!!!❣️❣️❣️✌🏼💯🥰🙏
These cops are lazy.
What's the reasons someone would abduct a child, a baby?
...because they wanted the child for themselves, to raise for whatever reasons, or a pedophile took him. No indication what so ever in this video that there was a pedophile involved. And if someone took the baby to raise for themselves, they certainly wouldn't have taken him to the woods and lay him in the snow to die.
If the mother didn't do it, then what other reason would a person have to do this, other than what I mentioned?
Either the mother did it, or a pedophile took him, or someone that wanted him for their own. No other logical reason.
Unless.... some nutcase got ticked that she left the child alone in that car and to "teach her a lesson" they took the baby and placed it in the snow so the mother would "pay for her choice".
They put him in a place closest to town where it looked like her dream……..
@@edithtierce8209 Oh wow, haven't though of that. Yes, I guess that could be.
or some one who took the child left him in the snow for fear of being caught.
@@franceskavalec350 Yes you could be right about that.
Then who done it?????
Good morning
If the frozen tears were still on the baby, did the mother just throw him in the snow to freeze, and took off????
Sad
Maybe the child was too weak to cry, but had anyone heard a whimper, they would have checked the body. The thing that makes the mother Julie appear quilty is because she knew where to find the body. That is bizarre no matter how you look at it.
Some very strange and bizarre things have happened with family connections. Mothers have connections with their children that some don't even realize.
A gut feeling, a 6th sense... it's not something new.
This woman, the mother of Dusty left him alone in the car and the car unlocked. She needs to really take a deep hard look into herself. She is blaming others for her stupidity. This caused little baby Dusty’s demise. Then the police didn’t perform CPR on the baby or really do their due diligence in fully investigating this case properly.
If you find a baby in a car you don’t keep him to make a > joke or an advice …
I dont know... 1 year old left in the unlocked car ant took the other one with her?... Parked way too far from the bank for my comfort....omg..That mother has Nothing to smile about...I would be screaming, " Who killed my baby" I dont trust her...
Why didn't they question the father to theboy, am suspecting the parents moreso the father
Why would they have killed a little baby to teach julie a lesson?that makes zero sense!!!!
They didn't intend to kill the baby. Likely they took him due to the internal family issues relized they were in deep, deep trouble once she freaked out and a search began. So the SIL told her they'd leave the baby somewhere to be found if she didn't tell the police who did it; then Julie lead the police there. The baby, as the expert doctor testified, was likely still alive and could have been saved if the police officer had gotten medical attention.
After reading MANY comments, I cannot watch this show..
If she didn't lead the, than what about Officer Quinn? He happened to stop exactly where Dusty was? What are the odds? How do we know which is the true story of that drive??
If you go by the expert coroner lady...his death was caused by the police officer. His abduction ...that's a different story
Send the clothing and such to get tested
Cant even watch this one.
She leaves a baby sleeping alone in the car? What a dumb, crappy parent! It’s even Winter. Either she shut the car off and took the key, which the car would get cold very fast! Or she left the car running, unlocked with the key in, in which case they could get kidnapped or car stolen and kidnapped. Even though I don’t think that’s the truth anyway! Poor, little Dusty! Bless his soul!
God! This is so sad!!!
In those days it happened all the time
It happened more than 35 years ago. This was the norm then in small towns.
maybe he froze in the car earlier, she dumped him and then went to the bank and called for help.
My mom's car door locks didn't even work back then. She left me an my brother in the car all the time to run into the store, the bank, ect... sometimes we were out there for hours summer and winter. There would be other kids left in their cars as well and we'd roll down our windows and talk and play with the other kids. Back then if a child went missing it was probably because they got lost no one ever thought of someone taking them. An infant can't walk off to get lost. But stories like this is why mothers today no longer leave kids alone in cars. If things like this never happened or no one ever knew about it mom's would still be doing it today .
But if she knew the location of little Dusty's body...?
But if she wanted him to die why she leaded the police to that complicate place?
@@nitayat9124Not saying she is but psychopaths are known to do that
I suspect it was a family member that took him and they told her they'd leave the baby in the woods to be found if she didn't tell police who did it. She led them out of the city to the general area she'd been told they'd find the baby. He was likely there for only an hour or so and could have been revived if the cops had gotten medical attention.
The false tears of the mother makes me puke 🤮
How come the other child wasant in a car seat in those days this is so sad 3:42
Did she lock her car????
Why would she leave him in the. Car?
Because it was the late 80s in a small town. People were careless with their children in the past. Some still are.