I heard of this joke from a history teacher. It goes: Teacher: What subject are you researching? Student: The Balkans. Teacher: Have you reconsidered doing calculus instead?
If we're all honest, the biggest part of what seperates the Balkan states is religion. Language is basically the same (more of regional dialects). Culture is to a point very similiar, however I would guess that Croatia is more influenced by Italy & central Europe, Bosnia by Turkey & Serbia by Russia.
i think it is the most tragical part of this story - many nations were uniting with even more internal differences in culture and language (italians, germans). But south slavs were divided by religion in rather equal parts.
I can't really say that Serbia is too influenced by Russia, either. We are not their neighbors (pretty far out and isolated from them), and there are not many Russians in Serbia. But yeah, influence is there.
Thank you! I was an adult through most of the years of this but it was always just too complicated to truly follow. I understand a bit more now, at least in broader terms and the dynamics. Excellent, Sir!
My parents moved to Germany in 70es. I've been 12 when war started. So I remember the war. And Sylvester 90 I saw the serb Mics flying over my parents hometown Karlovac. As a child it was confuse to watch war live. Thanks God my child will not see this. The lists on all sides was sad. The diplometes failed and people suffered. Soooo peace to everyone and stay save.
Nice one. You were joking about the shitstorm in the comments, but this isn't something new for Feature History. He has a lot of videos on controversial topics, often on recent events and most of the time he'd piss off both sides. That is always a good sign.
Nanaya 7e eh idk his video on the troubles didn’t piss off the Irish, mostly just the Brits (I think it helps we acknowledge the PIRA did a lot of bad stuff but was formed in response to aggression by British backed groups, whereas the Brits are taught they were complete angels, we’re taught that while the PIRA had legitimate grievances etc. that they did a lot of bad things)
Nanaya 7e I think it’s due to the fact that Ireland takes a very different approach to the conflict than the UK by showing both sides did bad stuff, whereas the UK as it does with most of its history only paints the other side as having ever done bad stuff etc. so many Brits whom aren’t classically trained in history get a violently harsh reaction when confronted with information showing otherwise
Me German with cro roots, my husband is from roots an Hungarian from Vojvodina. Until 1943 I guess (correct me if Iam wrong} part of Hungery today part of Serbia. Subotica. Great city. Beautiful.
Ive heard that compairison between croatian and serbian language being like uk and us english, I wouldnt agree at all.There is MUCH more difference, like, MUCH more. There are quite a few words that are COMPLETELY different, not a case in other example with THAT much words. Grammar is different only in ije/e. But it is the same language, I agree, and we can understand eaxh other perfectly well. However, I also dont see wy its "the serbian language" that others also took. Almost ALL those examples of completely different words are examples where Croats have their, slavic words while Serbs have taken words from other languages (football, advocate, names for months, camel are examples from english, a lot of food words from turkish and all those Croats have their words). Tbh, now when I think about it I cant find a SINGLE example for opposite, where Serbs have their word and Croats took a word from foreign language. Its obviously the case that the Croats are spoeaking better serbian than Serbs? A joke: A Serb comes to croatian border. Name? -" Nemanja." Last name? -" Jovanović." Occupation? -" No, I'm just visiting...." XD
There was a yugoslav plan for that. But Tito refused...its a complicated story, but look up "the balkan federation" "The Balkan Federation project was a left-wing political movement to create a country in the Balkans by combining Yugoslavia, Albania, Greece, Bulgaria, and Romania." :)
What I think is truly sad is that people like Slobo, Franjo, Alija brainwashed us all. Little known fact(at least in Serbia) is that while the Serbs did make up the majority of the forces in Kosovo all of the Balkan Nations stood by them. Joh of Palisna (Croat) is believed to have commanded the Knight's Hospitaller, Vlatko Vukovic those of Bosnia, Teodor II those of Muzaka(Albania). We need to learn history, the real history not nationalist versions of it. It is heartbreaking that we have allowed the 20th century to divide us as it did. While we weren't always united there are so many instances of us working together, The siege of Bari in 870 just as an example... They say that "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it". In our case I feel that we have a much longer history of mutual respect and camaraderie than we do of war.
It is such a confusing piece of history to follow. And to make matters worse, the day we went over it in my college European history class(I'm a history major) was a day that I had a massive headache already. I did end up doing the 10 pg end of semester paper we were assigned on the Srebenica Massacre during the Bosnian War though.
Not as much, for me at least.The problems begin with the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes in 1918, later known as Kingdom of Yugoslavia. After WW2 ended Yugoslavia was created again but this time as a communist one party dictatorship country.Both Yugoslavia's were artificial countries, created with foreign "help". That goes especially for the Communist Yugoslavia.The Tehran Conference in 1943 is where the foundations for her were laid.. New Yugoslavia was seen as a buffer zone between capitalist West and communist East. Communists ruled the country for half a century and did absolutely nothing to solve the old problems between nations in Yugoslavia.With the fall of communism there was no more need for a country like that.The Iron Curtain fell and with it the 50 years of Yugoslav "Brotherhood and Unity".
@@milostomic8539 Yea. The thing with this topic is that...whatever you say someone will say "but...!!!", I think you know what I mean :D And as I said...to explain everything I would probably need to make 6-7videos...and there would still be people with the "but...!!!" :D
If you are going to respond, if you can, read the whole thing. There are some people saying that Chetniks were collaborating with the axis, Germans, Ustashe, and Italians, and then glorify the Partisans. Partisans weren't even seen anywhere until the late stage of the war, so the end of 1943 and early 1944, but Chetniks were resisting long before Tito decided to do anything. Montenegrin Chetniks had some stuff going on with the Italians but Draza had only discussed with the Italians to get the Serbian people away from the Ustashe, which were being executd and killd. Draza didn't want the Serbian people to go through what already happened in WW1 and to have a time where Serbian people suffer again, kids, women, the older population, everyone. They say that he collaborated with the Germans, but if he was collaborating so much, why did he have a long beard, representing a time of Occupation and Non-Freedom, why did he not go dancing around in Belgrade if he was with the Germans, why was there a bounty on every Chetnik's head when they were supposed to be collaborating? The Partisans are glorified, they say that they liberated Belgrade from the Germans, that they were a tough resistance that had killd many Germans in Belgrade. Its funny because only 1 German Dyed in the Occupation of Belgrade, and it was an accident, maybe jumped off a roof or something but it was an accidental casualty. Partisans and Chetniks fought a lot, the saddest thing is that it was brother against a brother. Draza was executed in a Partisan court ruling and he was buried somewhere so nobody could find and visit his grave. Draza Mihailovic was a Serbian Highly decorated Officer. Unlike Draza, nobody knows who Tito really was, where he is from, or anything about him, who he really was is a mystery. Life in Yugoslavia after WW2 was pretty decent, everyone had jobs, life had been much better, but then America and the Clintons came into play and the Croatian War was a war in which the Politicians profited ( Milosevic and Tudjman had done sneak business which they profited from ). Before the wars in Yugoslavia, Yugoslavia demanded a loan from America (debts) and said if they don't get the said amount of money, it will end up in chaos, and guess what America did. They told everyone in Yugo (Croatia, Bosnia etc. ) that if they want money and a real country, they should start an independence war, which they will support, and after, they will have a great democratic country. They basically said if you want this, start a war. This great democratic country took everything from Croatia, they gave them a new currency, and their money bills weren't even printed in Croatia. Croatia only owned 1 bank which they refused to give out of all the ones they had to. It's so bad that the Gov has to pay another country to print their bills, but Croatia is in Debts and is always getting loans to pay for the money they need to be printed, and they go into a bigger minus on their debts, and the cycle continues, but again, Democracy. At that time Yugo had 13 billion dollars in debt, and America STOPPED giving loans. Today, over 200 billion dollars of debt are owed on the same lands of old Yugo and America is CONTINUING TO givE loans, and Croatia is the one with the most in debt. DEMOCRACY AT IT'S FINEST All best to everyone
Love your videos! American English and British English are the same language. They are more dialects if anything. The main difference is the pronunciation of a few words and some of the slang words.
@@BigAl2-u7e One big cause for the animosity between Croats and Serbs is the whole notion of "we're all the same people". While that sentiment on first glance may sound beautiful or even romantic for some Slavs in the region, in Serbia what they mean by it is generally that all Croats are literally Serbs - and to Croats this sounds like the Serbs are denying their ethnic identity. And once you understand that big part of Serbian politics has always been "all Serbs in one land", you can clearly see why for Croats any such notion immediately raises red flags.
Iam still a bit confused about the beginnings and how the hate developed, not picking any side just trying to understand. Why was there a hate against serbs in the WW2? So Croatia got together with Serbia to defend their coast and they became yugoslavia. Then it became a dictatorship and Nazi germany and italy wanted them to become independent. And you said they also wanted it. But why? Where does the original hate come from? I thought they were in similiar positions. Opressed for long by other powers and basically the same culture, the same brothers who should stick together (despite the religion). Was religion the reason why there was such a stand against Serbs? And then obviously jews and Roma since Nazi germany came in. Did the serbs also hate croatians because of their religion? I mean why would they even come together if they hated each other. Serbia could have easily said no and croatia would have lost so much land to italy, no? I dont get Croatias intend here.
Problem started in WW1 when Serb Gavrilo Princip shot archduke, wich mostly to Croats, Slovenes and Bosnians was not great since by that time Austro-Hungarian Empire was dying and Archduke was willing to give Croats/Slovenes/Bosnians/Serbs more liberal rights to govern themselfs, wheras in previous centuries of Austro-Hungarian Empire Croatia was mostly exposed Hungarian /Austrian enforced opression. Anyways after WW2, Croats, Serbs, Slovenes and Bosnians decide that they had enough of Austro-Hungarian Empire and decide to form therie own independed Kingdom of "Slovenes, Croats and Serbs" wich dint last very long since international countries dint recognized it, so the Kingdom of SCS decide to join and merge into Serbia kingdom at the reguest of Serbs do avoid Slavic nationalisam being sguashed by foreing powers, at first all seemed to work very well but unfourtunatly in Yugoslavian Kingdom parlament several most famous Croatian politicans (Stjepan Radić) where shot and killed evean thought they advocate that all Slavic people in Yugoslavia have egual rights as Serbs, but sadly this assination of Croatian politicans sparked outrage among Croatian population wich was by the WW2 used by Ante Pavelić who with his Ustaše /Nazi pupett party used the suport of both Hitler /Mussolini and esatblish a NDH(Independet State of Croatia), now both Chatolich Church and cast mayority of Croatian population dint agree with Ustaše regime but had to follow its orders, now in WW2 both Ustaše, Slovenian Home Guard and Četniks were alinged with Hitler because he was winning at the start of WW2 and after Nazis started therie own genocide againts Jews, Poles and Gypsies, same was followed by Ustaše in regards to Serbs, Gypsies, Muslims and Jews(evean thought Chatolich Church/half Croatian population in NDH helped and saved several Serbs) and Hungarian /Bulgarian Nazi allies, with the WW2 at the end Ustaše regime collapsed and its leaders fled to Argentina while vast population of German /Nazi, Ustaše /Croatian, Slovenian/Home Guard and Bosnian followers were rounded up and massacred on the famous "Pilgramige of Bleiburg" by both Partisians and Četniks,after WW2 during the end of 80s and beginning of 90s when "Iron Curtian" fell and Yugoslavian economical collapse was sure to come both, Croatia and Slovenia voted and held first democratic referendums with decleration of Independence, but the Serbs in Croatia fearing for therie lives if Croatian Republic is made were eventually manipulated by Slobodan Milošević and this started several mass atrocities, massacres and genocides by the Serbs and JNA in Croatia /Bosnia, to this day the blood feud beetween Croats and Serbs is very real but if we look at the history it was mostly Serbs fault that the blood feud evean began.Nowdays you will not find mayoritiy of the TH-camu videos of "Yugoslavia wars of 90s or Slavic/balkan history"because they are eithere made by foreing prošle who dont care, dont know or arent willing to learn our Slavic histories in the West, especialy you Westerners because you think that Slavs like Africans or Asians are inferior and slave race, take a good look at our Slavic fights againts Ottomans and to this day we dont get recogntion for our deeds.
Thats because the original video skips the part where first yugoslavia was a police state that killed dissidents. Most of these dissidents were ethnic croats who advocated for federalism and opposed unitarism which was advocated by serbian parties and royalists. It also didn't help that serbia originally didn't intend to create yugoslavia but rather agreed with italians to split Croatia, and only changed their mind when preassured by allies in 1918. Also, first yugoslavia was organised in such a way that all political life was supervised by Belgrade, and at that time serbian political life was strongly dominated by Serbian Radical Party. I'll let you discover their platform by yourself. Finally, it didn't help that during final years of Austro-Hungary leading news papers of Croatian Serbs openly called for extermination of Croats (publication of Srbobran from 07.12.1902). So, no religion isn't that much of a reason. Reasons why these culturally similar groups are so divided is due to political history. Religion is simply a very clear demarcation to identify who is who and on which side
You sound a little funny to me when you talk about Serbs and migrations in the Turkish era. Namely, there are no historical records which mentioned arrival of Serbs to Croatia or Bosnia. That is, there are a couple of sporadic records but the Vlach migrations are most often mentioned who later became mostly Serbs because of their religion. This is a history based on historical facts. If you deal with history you should know that. Otherwise, there are two contradictory myths i.e. the Serbs fleeing from the Turks and settled Turkish territory which is impossible. It would be like running away from the Germans in WWII and going to Berlin. The second myth is that Serbs migrate from Eastern Herzegovina and from there they settled in Bosnia, Croatia, Vojvodina, Montenegro, Serbia, Hungary, Slovenia. Eastern Herzegovina is not Mesopotamia, it is a sparsely populated area and very mountainous and difficult to live in.
Why implicating at 17:20 that what was going on in Serbia is equivalent to what was going on in Croatia. As a historian you really should respect history enough to avoid those manipulations... Yes Serbia also had a puppet state but unlike in Croatia it was without any legitimacy or people support...
And by legitimacy and people support in Croatia you mean having the biggest resistance movement in Europe to oppose the regime? Or the fact that the regime came to power after military occupation and had no elections? Not forgetting the fact that the country was divided into the german and italian occupation zones? So, can you tell me where the manipulation is?
@@lakiifornication This was months ago so I can't remember what was going on in video. But if equalize situations in Serbia and Croatia in WW2 then you are manipulating for sure. Yeah you had huge resistance in Croatia but you also had a huge minority of Serbs in Croatia out of which huge percentage was in a resistance, and up until 1943 Serbs make up around 90% of resistance movement in Croatia. Ustashe came to power without elections but them and Germans were welcomed with flowers in Zagreb while in Belgrade they were welcomed by empty streets and ruined buildings. The fact that Berlin fell on the 2nd of may while Zagreb fell on the 8th. Or the fact that there were Croat units in other fronts while there was no Serbian units.
@@draganmarkovic491 you’re numbers are a little “off”, as we say in English. The resistance movement in Croatia was NOT 90% Serb until 1943; that is pure fantasy. It’s true that Serbs did represent a significant proportion in the very beginning. Yet after May 1941, there was a steady, continual rise of Croatians joining the resistance movements. The situation and climate in Croatia and Serbia were different when the Germans had arrived (this is true), because the Serbian dominated state was quite an oppressive regime towards non- Serbs, particularly Croats. Brutality and violence were the common instrument of the state. Secondly, the Serbian army withdrew from both Slovenia and Croatia in order to defend Serbia (taking all the artillery and ammunition with them). It must be noted however, that there were indeed certain elements within Serbian society, even priory to the war, that capitalized on the situation. Dimitrije Ljotic, Kosta Pecanac, for example. They carried on the platform of Milan Stojadinovic who enjoyed popular support among many Serbs, even though he was pro-fascist. And the amount of Chetniks that openly collaborated with the Germans and Italians far outnumbered the Chetniks under Mihailovic. Not to mention that the Partisans were virtually non- existent in Serbia until 1944, when entire Chetnik units converted en-masse when the Soviet Red Army took control.
@@ultimouomo11 That's not fantasy, that is a fact, actually not all the way to the fall of 1943. it fluctuated and in the 1943 Serbs probably were around 80% of Partisans. Tito himself said it to Cherchil 1944 that from start resistance relied almost exclusively on Serbs. Barisic, representative from Croatia, in the second council of AVNOJ in november 1943 said that in the previous council of AVNOJ in late 1942 he was more of a representative of Serbian resistance in Croatia then Croatia as whole. There were some Partisans in south of Serbia but most of them were in Bosnia, but that doesn't mean that Serbs from Serbia weren't part of Partisans, they just had to go to Bosnia to become part of resistance.
@@draganmarkovic491 In the beginning, when the Partisan movement was very small in number, Serbs comprised the majority of the rank and file in Croatia; but by 1943, Croatia had provided more Partisans than Serbia, Montenegro, Slovenia, and Macedonia combined......and the majority were not Serbs. Overall, from 1941-1945 the Partisans from Croatia were 61% Croat and 26% Serb. The rest were made up of Slovenes, Muslims, Montenegrins, Italians, Hungarians, Czechs, and Jews. In Serbia, the Partisans by late 1943 numbered 22,000; then by late 1944 they numbered a miraculous 204,000, just before the Soviet Red Army arrived. Until Germans were driven from Serbia by the advancing Soviet Red Army, the Partisan movement in Serbia remained numerically weak and static. Most were Chetniks who collaborated.
Simply being a historian don't mean much, you can be an expert on African history, but that does not give you insight into the history of the Canadian native population. Secondly this whole video is extremely oversimplified. Firstly the "chetniks" where made up of several different gorilla armies who in some cases had completely different goals in mind and in many cases basically didn't collaborate at all with each-other. Secondly, if we are talking about currently most popular chetnik movement they did at times collaborate with the Germans against the partisans, at other times they collaborated with the allies and even at times collaborated with partisans. The partisans themselves at times collaborated with the Germans to fight the chetniks, it was a major clusterfuck tbh.
Your favourite politician ever is Stjepan Radic? Well either you just exposed yourself or you are not aware (in which I highly doubt) of who Stjepan Radic was. Wow, this is funny. I guess Pavelic is your no.2 and Starcevic no. 3 His son Vladimir in 1942. stated: In the main things, in the basic principles, the Ustasha doctrine is nothing but the doctrine of Stjepan Radić. Under the wise leadership of the chief (Ante Pavelic), the teachings of the Radić Brothers are being carried out. " In his newspaper Dom from September 22, 1914, Radić, joining the general anti-Serbian hysteria, praises Starcevic's opinion about Serbs: "Serbs in Croatia are Gypsies, Vlachs and God knows what, who escaped from the Turkish hut to us. The Serbs were therefore ripe for the ax. They are rubbish and itch on the body of the Croatian people." Radic's newspaper Dom even boasted that Croats in Sarajevo had destroyed about two hundred Serb shops, a strict court for Serbs was declared and that fierce anti-Serb demonstrations had been held in Zagreb for days. Before that In the 1898, he openly supported the Austro-Hungarian annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and wrote: "What has Serbia lost? Nothing at all. That Bosnia is not its country. Bosnia and Herzegovina belongs to Croatian King who has legitimate rights on this land." - Which King? Croatia didn't even exist back then nor had a King, so which King? Secon thing, was he a republican or monarchist? Italian publicist Italo Cingarelli wrote in 1927 about Radic's fickleness, which, according to the circumstances, allowed him to prove beyond doubt that he was a friend of the Habsburgs and an enemy of Karadjordjevic, an enemy of the Austrian house and a faithful servant of the Serbian royal house, a republican and monarchist, a friend and enemy of Italy, a communist and an imperialist." In the diplomatic reports of the British Embassy in Belgrade from 1926, Radic was described as an "irresponsible demagogue who tramples on promises of cooperation.". The same reports say that Croatian peasants once viewed Radic as a demigod. The British, furthermore, do not value him as an administrator, considering him extremely inefficient and in the main role of an ideologue. "He is full of various ideas, which are very correct, but often contradictory or unusable. Radic uses every opportunity to give a speech, either in the theater or at a football match." So.. in the end, about his death. He was killed in parliament by a Serbian war veteran Punisa Racic after many warnings about numerous provocation from Radic side. His party himself were sabotaging the parlament by not wanting a discussion unless there is a discussion about Croats question. Provocations at the expense of Serbian MPs could be heard, such as: "You stole money from the Turkish fugitive" "How much do your war wounds cost us Croats to pay with gold?" Not cool to play like that with war veterans of victorius army who, btw, you called to save you from Italian occupation. Those were people who killed traitors and enemys wherever. And they all knew who Stjepan Radic was and what his stands were especially towards the Serbs. So because of that a dictatorship was proclaimed to stop any political activities that could threaten the state. On the same day, Ante Pavelic declared the fight against the Serbian "oppressor" king and organisation that will fight for independent Croatia. With that, he founded an organization that would take part in the assassination of King Alexander and later become the legion of death Ustashas made of 150,000 Nazi killers and butchers of innocent people. Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and disobedient Croats.
58% of the Istrian population according to the Census from 1921 were Italian, 26% Croatian and 14% Slovenian The Census of 1910 was most probably faked from the Austrians to prevent to lose it to Italy which stated that 41,6% talked serbo-croatian and 36,5% Italian so in conclusion Italy's claim wasn't unjustified like most Croatians believe!
If you look at all the wars for example in Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo there was always the same aggressors which were the Serb. Croats were simply defending their country, I don't understand how that can be a bad thing? Also Serbs were not a majority in any Croatian areas, remember there were only 12% of Serbs living in Croatia (correct me if I'm wrong) and 12% wasn't enough for Serbs to leave Croatia and join Yugoslavia. It's amazing how many facts you left out.
Is this angel for the camera better than before? Give me your honest opinion! Thank you!
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The lighting is much better!
Essek History yes better light.. looks great
Wow ... just wow I think I have whiplash lol.. however super fascinating
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Essek History lol I just quit geez... we’re good just friendly banter.
I heard of this joke from a history teacher. It goes:
Teacher: What subject are you researching?
Student: The Balkans.
Teacher: Have you reconsidered doing calculus instead?
my history teacher assigned the first balkan war as my essay topic. what a dick.
If we're all honest, the biggest part of what seperates the Balkan states is religion. Language is basically the same (more of regional dialects). Culture is to a point very similiar, however I would guess that Croatia is more influenced by Italy & central Europe, Bosnia by Turkey & Serbia by Russia.
First part, def. maby the biggest dif is religion.
With the 2nd part you are also right :)
i think it is the most tragical part of this story - many nations were uniting with even more internal differences in culture and language (italians, germans). But south slavs were divided by religion in rather equal parts.
I can't really say that Serbia is too influenced by Russia, either. We are not their neighbors (pretty far out and isolated from them), and there are not many Russians in Serbia. But yeah, influence is there.
Land and politics
Part 2 has already came out, the video is old, you should watch part 2 when you can. Also thanks for doing my submission! 🇲🇰👍🏻
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@@Essek can you react to inside the tanks the centurion - world of tanks
@@samargrewal929 Will look into it! Thanks for the suggestion! :)
think you will enjoy it and find it interesting
In 1690, Arsenije III Crnojevic led 75.000 Serbs mostly from Kosovo.
Yea I forgot if it was the 2nd or 3rd :)
So I was KINDA right :D
Thank you! I was an adult through most of the years of this but it was always just too complicated to truly follow.
I understand a bit more now, at least in broader terms and the dynamics.
Excellent, Sir!
Again! A big thank you, to you linda! :)
I like the room that you're filming in, it looks very nice
Is this angle better then before?
@@Essek to me it looks like a better angle
Thanks for the input! :)
Fun fact: 18 roman emperors are born on the teritory of todays Serbia, 2nd most after Italy.
But they were not serbs and no serbia back then, you guys were still in Siberia.
Stfu and you Are not illirian Thats a llie...
Random Serb Nationalist: "ROME IS SERBIA!"
rome is rightful vojvodinian land deal with it@@Matrix_985
My parents moved to Germany in 70es. I've been 12 when war started. So I remember the war. And Sylvester 90 I saw the serb Mics flying over my parents hometown Karlovac. As a child it was confuse to watch war live. Thanks God my child will not see this. The lists on all sides was sad. The diplometes failed and people suffered. Soooo peace to everyone and stay save.
0:35 guy litteraly said "future history" with his accent
Man they had a lot going on. This is all new to me.
Its a really BIG and complicated topic...so I tried to keep it as short as possible :D
Nice one. You were joking about the shitstorm in the comments, but this isn't something new for Feature History. He has a lot of videos on controversial topics, often on recent events and most of the time he'd piss off both sides. That is always a good sign.
Nanaya 7e eh idk his video on the troubles didn’t piss off the Irish, mostly just the Brits (I think it helps we acknowledge the PIRA did a lot of bad stuff but was formed in response to aggression by British backed groups, whereas the Brits are taught they were complete angels, we’re taught that while the PIRA had legitimate grievances etc. that they did a lot of bad things)
@@poggies7639 I did see some angry Irish in the comments but you might be right in that there were very few of them.
Nanaya 7e I think it’s due to the fact that Ireland takes a very different approach to the conflict than the UK by showing both sides did bad stuff, whereas the UK as it does with most of its history only paints the other side as having ever done bad stuff etc. so many Brits whom aren’t classically trained in history get a violently harsh reaction when confronted with information showing otherwise
Btw can you react to The Seminal Tragedy by Extra Credits and give your opinion on it? It explains what lead to the start of World War 1
Huuuh, it has a lot of episodes :)
I will def consider them :)
Me German with cro roots, my husband is from roots an Hungarian from Vojvodina. Until 1943 I guess (correct me if Iam wrong} part of Hungery today part of Serbia. Subotica. Great city. Beautiful.
Ive heard that compairison between croatian and serbian language being like uk and us english, I wouldnt agree at all.There is MUCH more difference, like, MUCH more. There are quite a few words that are COMPLETELY different, not a case in other example with THAT much words. Grammar is different only in ije/e.
But it is the same language, I agree, and we can understand eaxh other perfectly well.
However, I also dont see wy its "the serbian language" that others also took. Almost ALL those examples of completely different words are examples where Croats have their, slavic words while Serbs have taken words from other languages (football, advocate, names for months, camel are examples from english, a lot of food words from turkish and all those Croats have their words).
Tbh, now when I think about it I cant find a SINGLE example for opposite, where Serbs have their word and Croats took a word from foreign language.
Its obviously the case that the Croats are spoeaking better serbian than Serbs?
A joke:
A Serb comes to croatian border.
Name?
-" Nemanja."
Last name?
-" Jovanović."
Occupation?
-" No, I'm just visiting...."
XD
Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian are almost same language
What is the Croatian word for Burek?
See our modern Languages are quite diverse, but If your grandma and mine spoke they'd sound pretty similar.
@@zivkovicable Burek
I always wondered why Bulgaria and Albania were never a part of Yugoslavia
There was a yugoslav plan for that. But Tito refused...its a complicated story, but look up "the balkan federation"
"The Balkan Federation project was a left-wing political movement to create a country in the Balkans by combining Yugoslavia, Albania, Greece, Bulgaria, and Romania." :)
Border gore that's why
Albanians aren’t Slavs and Bulgaria was a Soviet puppet state
What I think is truly sad is that people like Slobo, Franjo, Alija brainwashed us all.
Little known fact(at least in Serbia) is that while the Serbs did make up the majority of the forces in Kosovo all of the Balkan Nations stood by them.
Joh of Palisna (Croat) is believed to have commanded the Knight's Hospitaller, Vlatko Vukovic those of Bosnia, Teodor II those of Muzaka(Albania).
We need to learn history, the real history not nationalist versions of it. It is heartbreaking that we have allowed the 20th century to divide us as it did. While we weren't always united there are so many instances of us working together, The siege of Bari in 870 just as an example...
They say that "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it". In our case I feel that we have a much longer history of mutual respect and camaraderie than we do of war.
It is such a confusing piece of history to follow. And to make matters worse, the day we went over it in my college European history class(I'm a history major) was a day that I had a massive headache already. I did end up doing the 10 pg end of semester paper we were assigned on the Srebenica Massacre during the Bosnian War though.
Yea, I can just imagine how complicated it was for you guys! Its complicated for us who are living there and who know the language...
Not as much, for me at least.The problems begin with the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes in 1918, later known as Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
After WW2 ended Yugoslavia was created again but this time as a communist one party dictatorship country.Both Yugoslavia's were artificial countries, created with foreign "help".
That goes especially for the Communist Yugoslavia.The Tehran Conference in 1943 is where the foundations for her were laid..
New Yugoslavia was seen as a buffer zone between capitalist West and communist East.
Communists ruled the country for half a century and did absolutely nothing to solve the old problems between nations in Yugoslavia.With the fall of communism there was no more need for a country like that.The Iron Curtain fell and with it the 50 years of Yugoslav "Brotherhood and Unity".
@@milostomic8539 Yea. The thing with this topic is that...whatever you say someone will say "but...!!!", I think you know what I mean :D
And as I said...to explain everything I would probably need to make 6-7videos...and there would still be people with the "but...!!!" :D
If you are going to respond, if you can, read the whole thing.
There are some people saying that Chetniks were collaborating with the axis, Germans, Ustashe, and Italians, and then glorify the Partisans. Partisans weren't even seen anywhere until the late stage of the war, so the end of 1943 and early 1944, but Chetniks were resisting long before Tito decided to do anything. Montenegrin Chetniks had some stuff going on with the Italians but Draza had only discussed with the Italians to get the Serbian people away from the Ustashe, which were being executd and killd. Draza didn't want the Serbian people to go through what already happened in WW1 and to have a time where Serbian people suffer again, kids, women, the older population, everyone. They say that he collaborated with the Germans, but if he was collaborating so much, why did he have a long beard, representing a time of Occupation and Non-Freedom, why did he not go dancing around in Belgrade if he was with the Germans, why was there a bounty on every Chetnik's head when they were supposed to be collaborating? The Partisans are glorified, they say that they liberated Belgrade from the Germans, that they were a tough resistance that had killd many Germans in Belgrade. Its funny because only 1 German Dyed in the Occupation of Belgrade, and it was an accident, maybe jumped off a roof or something but it was an accidental casualty. Partisans and Chetniks fought a lot, the saddest thing is that it was brother against a brother. Draza was executed in a Partisan court ruling and he was buried somewhere so nobody could find and visit his grave. Draza Mihailovic was a Serbian Highly decorated Officer. Unlike Draza, nobody knows who Tito really was, where he is from, or anything about him, who he really was is a mystery. Life in Yugoslavia after WW2 was pretty decent, everyone had jobs, life had been much better, but then America and the Clintons came into play and the Croatian War was a war in which the Politicians profited ( Milosevic and Tudjman had done sneak business which they profited from ). Before the wars in Yugoslavia, Yugoslavia demanded a loan from America (debts) and said if they don't get the said amount of money, it will end up in chaos, and guess what America did. They told everyone in Yugo (Croatia, Bosnia etc. ) that if they want money and a real country, they should start an independence war, which they will support, and after, they will have a great democratic country. They basically said if you want this, start a war. This great democratic country took everything from Croatia, they gave them a new currency, and their money bills weren't even printed in Croatia. Croatia only owned 1 bank which they refused to give out of all the ones they had to. It's so bad that the Gov has to pay another country to print their bills, but Croatia is in Debts and is always getting loans to pay for the money they need to be printed, and they go into a bigger minus on their debts, and the cycle continues, but again, Democracy. At that time Yugo had 13 billion dollars in debt, and America STOPPED giving loans. Today, over 200 billion dollars of debt are owed on the same lands of old Yugo and America is CONTINUING TO givE loans, and Croatia is the one with the most in debt. DEMOCRACY AT IT'S FINEST
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Love your videos! American English and British English are the same language. They are more dialects if anything. The main difference is the pronunciation of a few words and some of the slang words.
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The checkered board was also in the Socialist Croatia Coat of Arms Emblem
I hope y'all can get along as ppl :(
Judging from history, people in general will never get along with each other.
@@BigAl2-u7e One big cause for the animosity between Croats and Serbs is the whole notion of "we're all the same people". While that sentiment on first glance may sound beautiful or even romantic for some Slavs in the region, in Serbia what they mean by it is generally that all Croats are literally Serbs - and to Croats this sounds like the Serbs are denying their ethnic identity. And once you understand that big part of Serbian politics has always been "all Serbs in one land", you can clearly see why for Croats any such notion immediately raises red flags.
35:30 - Narod = nation (narodna = national) armija = army (well, duh). So yeah, national army. 👍
Other way to say it is "People's", Yugoslav Peoples Army YPA, People's Republic of China - Narodna Republika Kina
Iam still a bit confused about the beginnings and how the hate developed, not picking any side just trying to understand.
Why was there a hate against serbs in the WW2? So Croatia got together with Serbia to defend their coast and they became yugoslavia. Then it became a dictatorship and Nazi germany and italy wanted them to become independent. And you said they also wanted it. But why? Where does the original hate come from? I thought they were in similiar positions. Opressed for long by other powers and basically the same culture, the same brothers who should stick together (despite the religion).
Was religion the reason why there was such a stand against Serbs? And then obviously jews and Roma since Nazi germany came in.
Did the serbs also hate croatians because of their religion? I mean why would they even come together if they hated each other. Serbia could have easily said no and croatia would have lost so much land to italy, no?
I dont get Croatias intend here.
Problem started in WW1 when Serb Gavrilo Princip shot archduke, wich mostly to Croats, Slovenes and Bosnians was not great since by that time Austro-Hungarian Empire was dying and Archduke was willing to give Croats/Slovenes/Bosnians/Serbs more liberal rights to govern themselfs, wheras in previous centuries of Austro-Hungarian Empire Croatia was mostly exposed Hungarian /Austrian enforced opression. Anyways after WW2, Croats, Serbs, Slovenes and Bosnians decide that they had enough of Austro-Hungarian Empire and decide to form therie own independed Kingdom of "Slovenes, Croats and Serbs" wich dint last very long since international countries dint recognized it, so the Kingdom of SCS decide to join and merge into Serbia kingdom at the reguest of Serbs do avoid Slavic nationalisam being sguashed by foreing powers, at first all seemed to work very well but unfourtunatly in Yugoslavian Kingdom parlament several most famous Croatian politicans (Stjepan Radić) where shot and killed evean thought they advocate that all Slavic people in Yugoslavia have egual rights as Serbs, but sadly this assination of Croatian politicans sparked outrage among Croatian population wich was by the WW2 used by Ante Pavelić who with his Ustaše /Nazi pupett party used the suport of both Hitler /Mussolini and esatblish a NDH(Independet State of Croatia), now both Chatolich Church and cast mayority of Croatian population dint agree with Ustaše regime but had to follow its orders, now in WW2 both Ustaše, Slovenian Home Guard and Četniks were alinged with Hitler because he was winning at the start of WW2 and after Nazis started therie own genocide againts Jews, Poles and Gypsies, same was followed by Ustaše in regards to Serbs, Gypsies, Muslims and Jews(evean thought Chatolich Church/half Croatian population in NDH helped and saved several Serbs) and Hungarian /Bulgarian Nazi allies, with the WW2 at the end Ustaše regime collapsed and its leaders fled to Argentina while vast population of German /Nazi, Ustaše /Croatian, Slovenian/Home Guard and Bosnian followers were rounded up and massacred on the famous "Pilgramige of Bleiburg" by both Partisians and Četniks,after WW2 during the end of 80s and beginning of 90s when "Iron Curtian" fell and Yugoslavian economical collapse was sure to come both, Croatia and Slovenia voted and held first democratic referendums with decleration of Independence, but the Serbs in Croatia fearing for therie lives if Croatian Republic is made were eventually manipulated by Slobodan Milošević and this started several mass atrocities, massacres and genocides by the Serbs and JNA in Croatia /Bosnia, to this day the blood feud beetween Croats and Serbs is very real but if we look at the history it was mostly Serbs fault that the blood feud evean began.Nowdays you will not find mayoritiy of the TH-camu videos of "Yugoslavia wars of 90s or Slavic/balkan history"because they are eithere made by foreing prošle who dont care, dont know or arent willing to learn our Slavic histories in the West, especialy you Westerners because you think that Slavs like Africans or Asians are inferior and slave race, take a good look at our Slavic fights againts Ottomans and to this day we dont get recogntion for our deeds.
Thats because the original video skips the part where first yugoslavia was a police state that killed dissidents. Most of these dissidents were ethnic croats who advocated for federalism and opposed unitarism which was advocated by serbian parties and royalists. It also didn't help that serbia originally didn't intend to create yugoslavia but rather agreed with italians to split Croatia, and only changed their mind when preassured by allies in 1918. Also, first yugoslavia was organised in such a way that all political life was supervised by Belgrade, and at that time serbian political life was strongly dominated by Serbian Radical Party. I'll let you discover their platform by yourself. Finally, it didn't help that during final years of Austro-Hungary leading news papers of Croatian Serbs openly called for extermination of Croats (publication of Srbobran from 07.12.1902).
So, no religion isn't that much of a reason. Reasons why these culturally similar groups are so divided is due to political history. Religion is simply a very clear demarcation to identify who is who and on which side
i have a croatian friend and a serbian friend they both tell me they are the same. Am i missing something here??
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You sound a little funny to me when you talk about Serbs and migrations in the Turkish era. Namely, there are no historical records which mentioned arrival of Serbs to Croatia or Bosnia. That is, there are a couple of sporadic records but the Vlach migrations are most often mentioned who later became mostly Serbs because of their religion. This is a history based on historical facts. If you deal with history you should know that. Otherwise, there are two contradictory myths i.e. the Serbs fleeing from the Turks and settled Turkish territory which is impossible. It would be like running away from the Germans in WWII and going to Berlin. The second myth is that Serbs migrate from Eastern Herzegovina and from there they settled in Bosnia, Croatia, Vojvodina, Montenegro, Serbia, Hungary, Slovenia. Eastern Herzegovina is not Mesopotamia, it is a sparsely populated area and very mountainous and difficult to live in.
Why implicating at 17:20 that what was going on in Serbia is equivalent to what was going on in Croatia. As a historian you really should respect history enough to avoid those manipulations...
Yes Serbia also had a puppet state but unlike in Croatia it was without any legitimacy or people support...
And by legitimacy and people support in Croatia you mean having the biggest resistance movement in Europe to oppose the regime? Or the fact that the regime came to power after military occupation and had no elections? Not forgetting the fact that the country was divided into the german and italian occupation zones? So, can you tell me where the manipulation is?
@@lakiifornication This was months ago so I can't remember what was going on in video. But if equalize situations in Serbia and Croatia in WW2 then you are manipulating for sure.
Yeah you had huge resistance in Croatia but you also had a huge minority of Serbs in Croatia out of which huge percentage was in a resistance, and up until 1943 Serbs make up around 90% of resistance movement in Croatia. Ustashe came to power without elections but them and Germans were welcomed with flowers in Zagreb while in Belgrade they were welcomed by empty streets and ruined buildings. The fact that Berlin fell on the 2nd of may while Zagreb fell on the 8th. Or the fact that there were Croat units in other fronts while there was no Serbian units.
@@draganmarkovic491 you’re numbers are a little “off”, as we say in English. The resistance movement in Croatia was NOT 90% Serb until 1943; that is pure fantasy. It’s true that Serbs did represent a significant proportion in the very beginning. Yet after May 1941, there was a steady, continual rise of Croatians joining the resistance movements.
The situation and climate in Croatia and Serbia were different when the Germans had arrived (this is true), because the Serbian dominated state was quite an oppressive regime towards non- Serbs, particularly Croats. Brutality and violence were the common instrument of the state. Secondly, the Serbian army withdrew from both Slovenia and Croatia in order to defend Serbia (taking all the artillery and ammunition with them).
It must be noted however, that there were indeed certain elements within Serbian society, even priory to the war, that capitalized on the situation. Dimitrije Ljotic, Kosta Pecanac, for example. They carried on the platform of Milan Stojadinovic who enjoyed popular support among many Serbs, even though he was pro-fascist. And the amount of Chetniks that openly collaborated with the Germans and Italians far outnumbered the Chetniks under Mihailovic. Not to mention that the Partisans were virtually non- existent in Serbia until 1944, when entire Chetnik units converted en-masse when the Soviet Red Army took control.
@@ultimouomo11 That's not fantasy, that is a fact, actually not all the way to the fall of 1943. it fluctuated and in the 1943 Serbs probably were around 80% of Partisans. Tito himself said it to Cherchil 1944 that from start resistance relied almost exclusively on Serbs. Barisic, representative from Croatia, in the second council of AVNOJ in november 1943 said that in the previous council of AVNOJ in late 1942 he was more of a representative of Serbian resistance in Croatia then Croatia as whole.
There were some Partisans in south of Serbia but most of them were in Bosnia, but that doesn't mean that Serbs from Serbia weren't part of Partisans, they just had to go to Bosnia to become part of resistance.
@@draganmarkovic491 In the beginning, when the Partisan movement was very small in number, Serbs comprised the majority of the rank and file in Croatia; but by 1943, Croatia had provided more Partisans than Serbia, Montenegro, Slovenia, and Macedonia combined......and the majority were not Serbs. Overall, from 1941-1945 the Partisans from Croatia were 61% Croat and 26% Serb. The rest were made up of Slovenes, Muslims, Montenegrins, Italians, Hungarians, Czechs, and Jews. In Serbia, the Partisans by late 1943 numbered 22,000; then by late 1944 they numbered a miraculous 204,000, just before the Soviet Red Army arrived. Until Germans were driven from Serbia by the advancing Soviet Red Army, the Partisan movement in Serbia remained numerically weak and static. Most were Chetniks who collaborated.
Serbs were looking at any excuse to commence the project of a Greater Serbia.
Yeah by making Yugoslavia twice,instead making greater Serbia. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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When a historian says Chetniks Collaborated with Axis :cough:
Simply being a historian don't mean much, you can be an expert on African history, but that does not give you insight into the history of the Canadian native population.
Secondly this whole video is extremely oversimplified. Firstly the "chetniks" where made up of several different gorilla armies who in some cases had completely different goals in mind and in many cases basically didn't collaborate at all with each-other. Secondly, if we are talking about currently most popular chetnik movement they did at times collaborate with the Germans against the partisans, at other times they collaborated with the allies and even at times collaborated with partisans. The partisans themselves at times collaborated with the Germans to fight the chetniks, it was a major clusterfuck tbh.
@@Luka-zf2ye True ngl.
American English? I think you mean the only way to speak English. Jk love the brits but they should learn the correct way to say color. 😂
HAHAHAHHAAH, nice one! :D
No british english is the original american english is the remix
*Colour
I’m not British btw
@@ravenwolf3715 there is no reason to have the extra u, it just takes up space.
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I said Ill do the video(but yea the Q was big so it came a little bit later) :)
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Tito was our savior!
Your favourite politician ever is Stjepan Radic? Well either you just exposed yourself or you are not aware (in which I highly doubt) of who Stjepan Radic was.
Wow, this is funny.
I guess Pavelic is your no.2 and Starcevic no. 3
His son Vladimir in 1942. stated:
In the main things, in the basic principles, the Ustasha doctrine is nothing but the doctrine of Stjepan Radić. Under the wise leadership of the chief (Ante Pavelic), the teachings of the Radić Brothers are being carried out. "
In his newspaper Dom from September 22, 1914, Radić, joining the general anti-Serbian hysteria, praises Starcevic's opinion about Serbs:
"Serbs in Croatia are Gypsies, Vlachs and God knows what, who escaped from the Turkish hut to us. The Serbs were therefore ripe for the ax. They are rubbish and itch on the body of the Croatian people."
Radic's newspaper Dom even boasted that Croats in Sarajevo had destroyed about two hundred Serb shops, a strict court for Serbs was declared and that fierce anti-Serb demonstrations had been held in Zagreb for days.
Before that
In the 1898, he openly supported the Austro-Hungarian annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and wrote: "What has Serbia lost? Nothing at all. That Bosnia is not its country. Bosnia and Herzegovina belongs to Croatian King who has legitimate rights on this land."
- Which King? Croatia didn't even exist back then nor had a King, so which King? Secon thing, was he a republican or monarchist?
Italian publicist Italo Cingarelli wrote in 1927 about Radic's fickleness, which, according to the circumstances, allowed him to prove beyond doubt that he was a friend of the Habsburgs and an enemy of Karadjordjevic, an enemy of the Austrian house and a faithful servant of the Serbian royal house, a republican and monarchist, a friend and enemy of Italy, a communist and an imperialist."
In the diplomatic reports of the British Embassy in Belgrade from 1926, Radic was described as an "irresponsible demagogue who tramples on promises of cooperation.".
The same reports say that Croatian peasants once viewed Radic as a demigod.
The British, furthermore, do not value him as an administrator, considering him extremely inefficient and in the main role of an ideologue.
"He is full of various ideas, which are very correct, but often contradictory or unusable. Radic uses every opportunity to give a speech, either in the theater or at a football match."
So.. in the end, about his death.
He was killed in parliament by a Serbian war veteran Punisa Racic after many warnings about numerous provocation from Radic side. His party himself were sabotaging the parlament by not wanting a discussion unless there is a discussion about Croats question.
Provocations at the expense of Serbian MPs could be heard, such as: "You stole money from the Turkish fugitive"
"How much do your war wounds cost us Croats to pay with gold?"
Not cool to play like that with war veterans of victorius army who, btw, you called to save you from Italian occupation. Those were people who killed traitors and enemys wherever.
And they all knew who Stjepan Radic was and what his stands were especially towards the Serbs.
So because of that a dictatorship was proclaimed to stop any political activities that could threaten the state.
On the same day, Ante Pavelic declared the fight against the Serbian "oppressor" king and organisation that will fight for independent Croatia.
With that, he founded an organization that would take part in the assassination of King Alexander and later become the legion of death Ustashas made of 150,000 Nazi killers and butchers of innocent people. Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and disobedient Croats.
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58% of the Istrian population according to the Census from 1921 were Italian, 26% Croatian and 14% Slovenian
The Census of 1910 was most probably faked from the Austrians to prevent to lose it to Italy which stated that 41,6% talked serbo-croatian and 36,5% Italian so in conclusion Italy's claim wasn't unjustified like most Croatians believe!
PS. Since we got Trieste back I am satisfied with the current situation 😂
Census made after annexation of Italy..it is know italians lived in cities on the coastline all the countryside people were slavs.
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Kosovo is Serbia🇷🇸
Kosovo is Kosovo. Pidha
Serbia is Kosovo🇽🇰
If you look at all the wars for example in Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo there was always the same aggressors which were the Serb. Croats were simply defending their country, I don't understand how that can be a bad thing? Also Serbs were not a majority in any Croatian areas, remember there were only 12% of Serbs living in Croatia (correct me if I'm wrong) and 12% wasn't enough for Serbs to leave Croatia and join Yugoslavia. It's amazing how many facts you left out.
you Better not talk of shit you dont know