In recent years, more and more voters are valuing players with HOF peaks but don't have the typical counting stats. Andruw Jones is on the doorstep of election, Utley did very solid his first year on the ballot, and going way back Koufax was an easier hall of famer. And more writers are citing their peaks as to why they're voting for them. And as far as peaks go, deGrom has one of the best. His career era is 2nd amongst modern SP. ERA+ is 5th all time (2nd among modern SP), WHIP is 2nd all time, FIP is 2nd among modern SP, Hits per 9 is 6th all time, K/9 is 3rd all time, and SO/W ratio is 1st all time. He'll never have the traditional counting stats, but he has put up some of the greatest rate stats of all time. I think by the time he lands on the ballot in the next 5-10 years even more voters will be valuing players with high peaks regardless of counting stats. Definitely not a slam dunk, but a much stronger case than people realize.
I like how you lay the case out here. When I had the idea, I looked at the way pitching has changed and also saw parallels with Koufax’s career. The bottom line is that traditional pitching stats wins, strikeouts etc will not reach similar heights as the way pitchers are used has changed so much. Thank you for your comment!
@@burzzz3009 I am definitely being serious. If you look at a hall of fame pitcher like Sandy Koufax, who had about 5 great seasons from 62-66 I think it might be plausible. That is what gave me the original idea for the video. Thank you for the comment!
@@StrawhatDawn Koufax won 3 during that stretch. DeGrom has won 2 so far and has been close in a couple of other seasons. If he wins another one to me the argument becomes even more compelling.
To a certain extent I agree. However, pitching has changed a lot in the last 20 years and they are used a lot differently. Starters now are not used anywhere near as much as they used to be. It seems like they may need to be evaluated on a new standard. Thank you for the comment.
He was compared to Seaver. He's an ace of a pitcher. Pitchers who have arm surgery tend to win more games after treatment. They're competitive in their 30s than when they started. Studies show that. He might have a chance at the Hall. If surgery is a success. Feel like it's the same injury as Strasburg.
Im gonna call him a longshot, no matter how good hes been. Hes a starting pitcher with less than 100 career wins. I get wins arent everything but he never even averages 6 innings a start and without going very far into a game, hes not gonna win many games and not be very valuable
It’s a good point but I think more of a reflection of how baseball has changed. Starters are used much differently now. He probably needs to put together 4-5 more great seasons or make a move to the bullpen like John Smoltz did (another commenter suggested this). Thank you for your input!
I'm sorry, but he's not a hall of famer. Not because of who he is, who he plays for, how many championships he won, or any of that. I think his injuries stop him.
Definitely injuries will make it more difficulty. If you compare him to Sandy Koufax who is in the hall of fame the production is pretty similar for the number of years where they were really good. One more Cy Young and a a few soldi years could put him over the top. Thank you for your comment!
@@MrGuruDaClownHunter Yeah bro. 83 wins in his mid 30s looking at his fourth injury plagued season in a row. Definitely a Hall of Fame trajectory! Idc how good his era or whip is
This guys talent made me a fan of baseball again in alot of ways. I hope nothing but the best for him.
He is fun to watch for sure! I hope he heals up good as new from his arm injury. Thank you for the comment!
He needs 3-4 years of solid production maybe another cy young and that gets him in
I definitely agree that is likely the thing that gets him over the top.
Lol 8 years
@@Brah42 that would get him more top seasons than someone like Sandy Koufax
Exactly this. That amount of production gives him the WAR values to push him in. One healthy, Cy Young season would do the same.
@@jayballauer8353 it should be exciting to watch once he comes back from Tommy John surgery. Thank you for the comment!
Wish I could have those 10 minutes back
Too bad
You could use the time to change from the default picture
He should pull a smotlz and become one of the most dominant relievers in the game to length his career
That is a great idea. With his 100 mph fastball that would be a perfect match. I wonder if he would consider it.
In recent years, more and more voters are valuing players with HOF peaks but don't have the typical counting stats. Andruw Jones is on the doorstep of election, Utley did very solid his first year on the ballot, and going way back Koufax was an easier hall of famer. And more writers are citing their peaks as to why they're voting for them. And as far as peaks go, deGrom has one of the best. His career era is 2nd amongst modern SP. ERA+ is 5th all time (2nd among modern SP), WHIP is 2nd all time, FIP is 2nd among modern SP, Hits per 9 is 6th all time, K/9 is 3rd all time, and SO/W ratio is 1st all time. He'll never have the traditional counting stats, but he has put up some of the greatest rate stats of all time. I think by the time he lands on the ballot in the next 5-10 years even more voters will be valuing players with high peaks regardless of counting stats. Definitely not a slam dunk, but a much stronger case than people realize.
I like how you lay the case out here. When I had the idea, I looked at the way pitching has changed and also saw parallels with Koufax’s career. The bottom line is that traditional pitching stats wins, strikeouts etc will not reach similar heights as the way pitchers are used has changed so much. Thank you for your comment!
Jake is a GOD and deserves the HoF. The rate stats say it all.
I agree. I think a couple of more strong years post surgery will make him a lock. Thank you for your comment!
I think relievers with his stats would make the hall so he should get in.
Making a transition to the bullpen like John Smoltz did might make that case even better. Thank you for the comment!
1 more Cy Young and I think he has to make it. 3 Cy Young’s is legendary
I agree. I think that would probably put him over the top! Thank you for the comment!
Are you Joking?
@@Brah42 nope
@@BBUYTTV You should at least get paid for this deep of glazing.
2 cy young’s and a top 3 talented pitcher ever. Should be a hall of famer imo
I agree but I think he needs a few more great years to be a lock
Not a HoF player yet- on the doorstep. His recovery from injury will push him across the line or not.
@@andrewschuschu3499 I agree on the doorstep. Probably needs 3 more really good years
If unrealized potential was a voting category.
Check it out his stats are pretty close to Koufax for his peak seasons.
@BBUYTTV AVAILABILITY is the best ability a player can have. I have no sympathy for players always injured.
The glazing of this dude is unprecedented.
There may be some of that, but you can’t deny that there have been seasons where he was almost unhittable.
If we’re being serious, this guy has had 4 great years.
@@burzzz3009 I am definitely being serious. If you look at a hall of fame pitcher like Sandy Koufax, who had about 5 great seasons from 62-66 I think it might be plausible. That is what gave me the original idea for the video. Thank you for the comment!
Didn’t he win like two cy in that time ?
@@StrawhatDawn Koufax won 3 during that stretch. DeGrom has won 2 so far and has been close in a couple of other seasons. If he wins another one to me the argument becomes even more compelling.
Give two more elite years and i think hes in
I agree! Thanks!
Honestly wouldn’t be fair to other guys who have more counting numbers that’s why the hof needs a set of numbers and accolades to be considered.
To a certain extent I agree. However, pitching has changed a lot in the last 20 years and they are used a lot differently. Starters now are not used anywhere near as much as they used to be. It seems like they may need to be evaluated on a new standard. Thank you for the comment.
@@BBUYTTV for sure they will have to create new standards
@@thejuansshow6410 agreed!
He might if he keeps doing well after this. It’s the hall of fame not the hall of mid.
Agreed. He needs a few more great years
He’s to injury prone
I don’t know, he has about the same number of great years as Sandy Koufax. One more Cy Young might put him over the top. Thank you for the comment!
He was compared to Seaver. He's an ace of a pitcher. Pitchers who have arm surgery tend to win more games after treatment. They're competitive in their 30s than when they started. Studies show that. He might have a chance at the Hall. If surgery is a success. Feel like it's the same injury as Strasburg.
It’s a bad injury but the surgical techniques seem so good these days. He probably needs a few more great years.
Im gonna call him a longshot, no matter how good hes been. Hes a starting pitcher with less than 100 career wins. I get wins arent everything but he never even averages 6 innings a start and without going very far into a game, hes not gonna win many games and not be very valuable
It’s a good point but I think more of a reflection of how baseball has changed. Starters are used much differently now. He probably needs to put together 4-5 more great seasons or make a move to the bullpen like John Smoltz did (another commenter suggested this). Thank you for your input!
I'm sorry, but he's not a hall of famer. Not because of who he is, who he plays for, how many championships he won, or any of that. I think his injuries stop him.
Definitely injuries will make it more difficulty. If you compare him to Sandy Koufax who is in the hall of fame the production is pretty similar for the number of years where they were really good. One more Cy Young and a a few soldi years could put him over the top. Thank you for your comment!
He will not make the Hall of Fame.
You are probably right unless he has 4 or 5 great years post surgery. Thanks!
Typical 🤣😂😅😆Coming from a Boston 🪭‼️🤣😂😅😆
@@MrGuruDaClownHunter Me thinking he won't make the Hall of Fame isn't because I'm a "Boston fan", but rather, having just a wee bit of common sense.
@@ThatDudeMac 👍🏼🤣😂😅😆
@@MrGuruDaClownHunter Yeah bro. 83 wins in his mid 30s looking at his fourth injury plagued season in a row. Definitely a Hall of Fame trajectory! Idc how good his era or whip is