Personally, I think after an understandable lean spell, following the break up of the 2000 team, just as Hird was building the next "great" team, the drug scandal killed the club, and they've never recovered. Careers were effectively ended, trust between players and those who run the club broken. The stigma has never gone, and I think it might be many more years before the disgrace is forgotten and consigned to history.
lol Hird isn’t some god. Dodoro is the worst recruiter in the history of the game and sheedy has been white anting every coach since. The Essendon people’ from that era ARE the issue.
Something definitely happened because I lost the drive to watch them anymore. I stopped watching them from 2006 until 2012, came back to support the club in it's darkest hour.
I’ve long thought our performance at the g has been an issue. We’re a ‘nice’ team who plays well with no wind or rain. But outside of that we struggle. But the main point in this video I want to drill down on is ‘we put off field ahead of on field’. That has remained the case until very recently. Now with Vozzo as CEO we’re starting to focus on footy again (much to the disgust of the members who all seem to complain that their members pack didn’t have enough ‘goodies’ in it - apparently that’s more important). For years the clubs management has been terrible, with the wrong focus. Nothing made me happier than when Barham said “we can’t just beat our chest and say ‘we’re Essendon, we’re big and powerful and a great side’. We’re not anymore, we actually have to do the work to fix it and improve. No short term fixes, sustainable long term success is what we need to build”. Thank god! The previous administration have never said anything like this!
Knights was just stop gap until Hird was available to coach. Never anything more than just a care taker. I never liked him as a player but we did him dirty, and I think he was never supported because we were as a club falling apart! I could be wrong but I don’t think Solly was available either, although I have been told something like Harvey was the man but he wanted a proper crack at it! Maybe something else may of been at play, mayhem happening in the background? Hopefully it was a case of not killing your own, just not wanting to stab them in the back at the later date! We were a such rabble at the time, does anyone remember when we sent a young Paddy Ryder to a press conference by himself? Bambi in the headlights! Please if anyone can find the link? I still haven’t forgiven our club for that! How that was allowed to happen was beyond me because he was a lamb to the slaughter the poor bloke and really we haven’t come back from that period! One a bright note, match sim yesterday was exciting, Tsar looked ready to go finally , #5! We should also get ready for the next up and coming cult player in Lual to hit the lights real soon!!
I agree with you 100% mate we’ve lost our drive to be #1 when it comes to the biggest and the best and it’s left us s as a plodder we are unable to read the tea leaves and it permeates through to every aspect of the club. We are a club that has no idea where we are at in terms of contending and that mucks up our recruiting we end up on a path that changes week by week.
Essendon played its first game at docklands on 9 March 2000, the same year they won the premiership. So that makes 2 premierships won by docklands teams.
Spot on Well done for raising this Also the Hangar is a problem Not won one premiership since there No soul at the hangar or culture train inside when wet Can you do a clip looking at the hangar killing our soul and culture Thanks
I think this is a massive reason for the state of where the club is now. But I will add one more. The reckless abandonment of the reserves side. You seem to love your stats, have a look at the trend of who won the reserves grand finals to the seniors. We won a reserves premiership in 83' 92' and 99'. Do you see the interesting trend there? You'll notice a similar trend for other teams too. We broke up our reserves team and became the bendigo bomber and we are yet to recover from that financial based decision. Our development, and winning culture suffered since. Even when we disbanded the bendigo bombers to go stand alone again, the club didn't seriously back the team. A rotating door of coaches and players with no focus on success or player development. Players that did come through didn't have a winning culture or the experience to push on. This co-insided with the decision to move to marvel. We can start pointing fingers at the board of the time.
@@Dan262626 Cheers mate, people talk about the lack of development because we don't have a kicking coach or a ruck coach. Thats like saying a kid got a poor education because he had no home room teacher while the school burnt down years ago. A players school is the reserves team on the field. And it's sucked for 20 years. Theres the reason for our terrible player development as clear as day. On that bright note, Have a merry xmas lol
Spot on! The other thing that was ‘sold’ to members re the move to Marvel was that games could easily be moved to the ‘G’ if the capacity warranted it. Never has a game been moved! This was a lie that conned the members.
@@Mark-F-Hopper yes, I wrote a letter to Peter Jackson back in the year 2000 about why we didn’t move a game versus Geelong (which was 1st vs 3rd at the time and would have drawn 75,000) to the MCG and all I got was spin. They lied to us.
Interesting perspective, but correlation isn't always causation. I suspect a closer analysis would find more causal effects from things like the club's board, management, coaching, draft and culture, which are not factors highly influenced by which field a team plays at week by week. Essendon is still one of the richest clubs with the highest membership bases. They have also had several decades now of ANZAC day matches which has injected huge funds into the team.
I kinda agree with you, (definitely about correlation not equaling causation), but I certainly think that it was the first of a series of bad decisions, and it makes me wonder if that first bad decision had not been made, then maybe the downward spiral may have been avoided. All speculation of course.
Collingwood had the same problem when they played at Victoria park. Then they would lose grand finals. 3 premierships at mcg since making it their home ground plus several other grand final appearances
Interesting analysis. I think it is one of many factors. I agree with the board being more interested in off field stuff. But Barham seems to have a focus back on football. The drugs saga. Poor selection at draft and trade periods, on the whole, over years. Lack of hardness and will to win in an average list. Coach selection etc etc etc. We are a football club and have gotten away from basics! But we should definitely be at the MCG as our home ground. It is a factor.
Nice one Dan, agree 100%. The move to Marvel was an indicator of the clubs future direction which is money first & results second ie the club sacrificing sporting integrity and competitiveness for economic benefits, and look where that has got us - a fan base that is bordering on revolt. It makes me very sad to think of where this club was placed in 2000 to what it has become a quarter of a century later.
Yeah, na, good teams win anywhere. Finals from 1998 to 2004 with one flag, should have been more as such a great team. Normal rebuild 2005-08. Knocking on the door and then the supplements fiasco ... and any momentum peters out. I'd say poor management overall, I knew one of the directors who was around during the scandal and he was clueless. No real superstars, a hit and miss recruitment policy, 7 club presidents in two decades. Just not a destination club any more .... Enjoyed the video!
Good watch and a great take. I do personally love a game at the Dome, great accessibility and viewing, but the G is better in all aspects, because and let’s be honest we aren’t really clean enough with our disposal, and aren’t fit enough to compete over a full year and can you really blame a venue for that? My greatest concern and issue is how much we struggled with the development of, the picking of, and the focusing of our list. We haven’t done great in our end of year drafting, which should of been better IMO. I can forgive a few years of frustration picks, and it is hard for the most part because, sometimes no one would of picked differently to your selection. A player who is a great example of, and that always comes to mind here is unfortunately for Essendon, A Francis, because sometimes they just don’t make it! Sometimes they just don’t, but others I believe have been very average in selection of, especially in terms of talent profiles available and player talent profiles we required. I can even forgive the Covid year and I’m still hoping those players can become 150+ gamers, but I haven’t liked and cannot fathom our development of some players and I feel for the most part , too many have been gifted games, and not just because of limitations with our dept. I’m very forgiven towards players that have had to step up to or even played out positions to accommodate our needs, Laverde is the greatest example of this, and has to do it week in and week out, and all the shit that goes with it. Say whatever you want but he’s tougher than he gets credit for! Hopefully we are over and on the other side of that now. I’m actually excited to see players get a chance now with a runs of games, or even a player out of position. I actually see a planned effort to push development, which is sometimes perplexing, but also sometimes productive. But even though bad form of performances, or a bad move, I do see a difference in the overall approach and effort, for the most part. Somehow our disposal fell away in the year which is still a concern because can that be fixed properly through preseason training alone? The next few years will in all likelihood be the catalyst for greater success, depth in list and development of our squad will only push us further into relevance again! I’m still excited, and a little more for next year!
Marvel certainly not spoken about enough as the catalyst for 20+ years of mediocrity. My best mate is a Collingwood fan and can’t believe we don’t play exclusively at the G. Thanks for the upload, enjoyed your take.
Interesting thoughts and I tend to agree. Always wondered how we became a soft, unambitious club but this could be a factor. Just feels like the club in general is worried about public relations and how we are perceived rather fighting our own fight in our own way.
As evidenced by the Club not fighting the four week suspension that Wright got for going for the ball. Interesting that Wright lost all confidence when he came back and was a shadow of what he was.
The only reason I could see for moving our home ground from Windy Hill was hubris plus a little bit of arrogance! We were the best by any measurable quality & thought being at Docklands and giving up our position of being only one of 3 clubs at the MCG would not give the other suckers an even break !
This makes total and complete sense easy kills at Marval don't translate to premierships at the G constant gut running games make you hard as a team that's what counts in September
Hey Daniel how have you been? Essendon maybe should change logo the only team to not change their logo since 1997 and another quirk is Essendon last played Melbourne twice since 2005.
"Marvel Stadium" is pure denialism. As a person who takes great joy in this clubs downfall (a North supporter) I would put it down to 1) Sheedy's outdated post 2000 influence over the club, 2) the WADA scandal magnified by James Hird's refusal to fall on his own sword after getting a massive hint from Demetriou to do so & mitigate the fallout, 3) The inept Dodoro holding the EFC to ransom for so many years (did he know where the skeletons were buried?), 4) a proper functioning board that never really controlled the club. All of these factors had a far greater impact than any particular football ground.
I believe it was when we sacked Sheedy. He wasn’t going to coach forever but he certainly could have coached the next coach. The culture created would have passed down. Now we have what happened to Melbourne after they sack Norm Smith. 30 years of nothing!
Great vid and analysis. Marvels atmosphere is nowhere close to that of the mighty G , and I always wish we’d never moved there . Some years we never play there until Anzac Day - and the results in those games …. Easy to guess
As someone that is a huge fan of Marvel stadium it's kind of hard to accep the fact that us playing home games at Marvel has affect us in some way but I can where are you coming from I think if we ever get a opportunity to play all our home games at the G we should take it.
@Dan262626 Yeah that's correct if you look at it from the biggest picture we have obviously had a up and down team sort of culture because of the drug saga etc.
the stadium change had no impact. I haven't paid my membership since james hird let the doctors fuck the club up! Infact, it was the whole saga they made me stop watching AFL. I went to Auskick waring PaulSamins number, then Shae Cockatoo collins, the day Wangernine went to Port Adelaide i was hurt and broken as a 10yo. So a fell inlove with Hird. followed the club on their down years but yeah, since the drug saga, lost interest in the game completely
Marvel because of the money and the coterie's, who run the club more than any other club, wanted nice seats and bar service. Arrogance within club is still too high even Carlton have worked it out as did Collingwood Richmond before them
I think Essendon playing at Marvel doesn't feel right. Collingwood, Richmond and Hawthorn are some of the biggest Victorian clubs and are playing at the larger venue the MCG. Carlton also a big club and are now playing more games at the MCG and Essendon need to do the same thing and move tge majority of their games to the MCG. I reckon one of the biggest problems with Marvel stadium is the roof and games played there are always played in dry conditions. This became a problem for St Kilda in 2009. They were the best team that season but only played one game at the MCG during the home and away season. The 2009 grand final against Geelong was a cold wet day and the conditions favoured Geelong that day.
100% correct, but really he was the wrong a man, and should never of been considered! People forget who he really was and funnily the shock and awe bullshit press that doesn’t honestly reported the truth. This man was sacked from NAB because of actions he was involve with and was in control of! Find his testimony during the Banking Royal Commission and that footage, in his own words is what you should be more concerned about, and as a partitioner of any Church should also give you greater against, as it did with me!
I think you are VASTLY overstating where this club plays as some sort of reason for our problems. This club have been a mess from a management standpoint since the early 2000's when its salary cap buffoonery, the drugs scandal, a long winded history of bad drafts and questionable coaches, the good ole boys club in upper management lasting WAYYYYY too long, the list goes on and on and on. and the one thing your stats really point to isn't about where they play it just points to how those clubs are run. Look at clubs all at MCG that are wildly successful (Collingwood, Geelong (who at this point I don't feel like we can consider them an MCG club given they play more games at the GMBHA), Richmond, Hawthorn, Carlton) how many of those teams can you say are as poorly run as we are? the only one you can say are in close are the Dees but that's been more recent than constant. Those clubs success isn't based on where they play its how they are run. Blaming the move to Marvel looks outward at the problems and not inwards, and baby we have spent the past 20+ years being A MESS on the inside.
I agree, but you are also sort of proving my point. What I'm saying is the move to Marvel was the first bad mistake that led to a culture shift, and therefore led to a lot of the other bad mistakes indirectly.
go back to early 2000's and Sheedys band aid brigade! Should have gone to the draft (like hawthorn, collingwood and geelong did) instead of getting has beens, washed up and over the hill players. Camporeale, murphy, richard cole, ty zantuck, matthew allan, grigic, mark alvey, mal michael and throw in distratious choices in the draft (gumbleton, kepler bradley). Marvel had nothing to do with the 14 premierships non tenatns have won, they set their football club up for the future by going to the draft and telling their members a couple of years of pain for long term gain. Im sure Franklin, roughead, hodge and ellis were not rewards for being successful or just making the finals, no they were rewards for being mediocre. Something Essendon should have done instead of drafting washed up players so Sheedy could keep his job by saying we at least made finals. Never going to get near a premiership with the plums listed above. Easy to blame Marvel but if it wasnt for Telstra dome, etihad, marvel and the financial gains we got and get from that deal our club wouldnt exist of the drugs saga.
I blame Kevin Sheedy ,after the 2000 grand final ,Essendon should have been a Powerhouse, but because of salary cap rotting ,giving away five premiership players,Sheedy would not put his faith into the national draft, all the rejects he got ,from another team, that's why we Spyro into mediocrity,bad recruiting
But I think it's unfounded bragging calling the Bombers biggest and best focusing on the 90's. West Coast were better than you, North Melbourne were better than you, Adelaide were better than you and Carlton were better than you.
North Melbourne and West Coast were the two best teams of the 90's with 2 premierships each, that's true. But The Bombers were the biggest club with the biggest crowds in the biggest Home and away games. They Dons were the big drawcard, and for the most part a pretty consistent finalist.
@Dan262626 Well West Coast are multiple times richer than the rest of the AFL clubs, pull 50,000 fans on AVG for a fixture game and have over 100,000 members. What does that count for these days? Melbourne media can't get enough of giving them shit recently.
Haven’t laughed that hard in years cheers for that, heres to 21 🍻
Personally, I think after an understandable lean spell, following the break up of the 2000 team, just as Hird was building the next "great" team, the drug scandal killed the club, and they've never recovered. Careers were effectively ended, trust between players and those who run the club broken. The stigma has never gone, and I think it might be many more years before the disgrace is forgotten and consigned to history.
We were already a rabble before Hirdy and he just finished us off!
lol Hird isn’t some god. Dodoro is the worst recruiter in the history of the game and sheedy has been white anting every coach since. The Essendon people’ from that era ARE the issue.
Every issue - salary cap, sacking Sheedy,Marvel, Knights, substance programme etc all have one thing in common - management.
@@petermcculloch4933 agreed
Something definitely happened because I lost the drive to watch them anymore. I stopped watching them from 2006 until 2012, came back to support the club in it's darkest hour.
@@stavio12 hopefully we are not too far away
I’ve long thought our performance at the g has been an issue. We’re a ‘nice’ team who plays well with no wind or rain. But outside of that we struggle. But the main point in this video I want to drill down on is ‘we put off field ahead of on field’. That has remained the case until very recently. Now with Vozzo as CEO we’re starting to focus on footy again (much to the disgust of the members who all seem to complain that their members pack didn’t have enough ‘goodies’ in it - apparently that’s more important). For years the clubs management has been terrible, with the wrong focus. Nothing made me happier than when Barham said “we can’t just beat our chest and say ‘we’re Essendon, we’re big and powerful and a great side’. We’re not anymore, we actually have to do the work to fix it and improve. No short term fixes, sustainable long term success is what we need to build”.
Thank god! The previous administration have never said anything like this!
@@JamesBrown-p2g5k fantastic analysis.
@@JamesBrown-p2g5k fantastic analysis
@@JamesBrown-p2g5k great analysis
Interesting take, i think it was a factor along with the knights decision and of course the drug saga.
Knights was just stop gap until Hird was available to coach. Never anything more than just a care taker. I never liked him as a player but we did him dirty, and I think he was never supported because we were as a club falling apart! I could be wrong but I don’t think Solly was available either, although I have been told something like Harvey was the man but he wanted a proper crack at it! Maybe something else may of been at play, mayhem happening in the background? Hopefully it was a case of not killing your own, just not wanting to stab them in the back at the later date!
We were a such rabble at the time, does anyone remember when we sent a young Paddy Ryder to a press conference by himself? Bambi in the headlights! Please if anyone can find the link? I still haven’t forgiven our club for that! How that was allowed to happen was beyond me because he was a lamb to the slaughter the poor bloke and really we haven’t come back from that period!
One a bright note, match sim yesterday was exciting, Tsar looked ready to go finally , #5! We should also get ready for the next up and coming cult player in Lual to hit the lights real soon!!
I agree with you 100% mate we’ve lost our drive to be #1 when it comes to the biggest and the best and it’s left us s as a plodder we are unable to read the tea leaves and it permeates through to every aspect of the club. We are a club that has no idea where we are at in terms of contending and that mucks up our recruiting we end up on a path that changes week by week.
Hopefully we can turn it around soon mate
Essendon played its first game at docklands on 9 March 2000, the same year they won the premiership. So that makes 2 premierships won by docklands teams.
@@markditchfield7478 yes I know mate, I was talking about the last 20 years.
Great video mate. I've always wondered wavy the Bombers can't win games in the winter.
Spot on
Well done for raising this
Also the Hangar is a problem
Not won one premiership since there
No soul at the hangar or culture
train inside when wet
Can you do a clip looking at the hangar killing our soul and culture
Thanks
I’ll see what I can do
I think this is a massive reason for the state of where the club is now. But I will add one more. The reckless abandonment of the reserves side. You seem to love your stats, have a look at the trend of who won the reserves grand finals to the seniors. We won a reserves premiership in 83' 92' and 99'. Do you see the interesting trend there? You'll notice a similar trend for other teams too. We broke up our reserves team and became the bendigo bomber and we are yet to recover from that financial based decision. Our development, and winning culture suffered since. Even when we disbanded the bendigo bombers to go stand alone again, the club didn't seriously back the team. A rotating door of coaches and players with no focus on success or player development. Players that did come through didn't have a winning culture or the experience to push on. This co-insided with the decision to move to marvel. We can start pointing fingers at the board of the time.
@@teebee7679 that’s a fantastic point. I don’t think anyone has brought that one up before. Great post
@@Dan262626 Cheers mate, people talk about the lack of development because we don't have a kicking coach or a ruck coach. Thats like saying a kid got a poor education because he had no home room teacher while the school burnt down years ago. A players school is the reserves team on the field. And it's sucked for 20 years. Theres the reason for our terrible player development as clear as day. On that bright note, Have a merry xmas lol
Spot on!
The other thing that was ‘sold’ to members re the move to Marvel was that games could easily be moved to the ‘G’ if the capacity warranted it. Never has a game been moved! This was a lie that conned the members.
@@Mark-F-Hopper yes, I wrote a letter to Peter Jackson back in the year 2000 about why we didn’t move a game versus Geelong (which was 1st vs 3rd at the time and would have drawn 75,000) to the MCG and all I got was spin. They lied to us.
Interesting perspective, but correlation isn't always causation. I suspect a closer analysis would find more causal effects from things like the club's board, management, coaching, draft and culture, which are not factors highly influenced by which field a team plays at week by week. Essendon is still one of the richest clubs with the highest membership bases. They have also had several decades now of ANZAC day matches which has injected huge funds into the team.
I kinda agree with you, (definitely about correlation not equaling causation), but I certainly think that it was the first of a series of bad decisions, and it makes me wonder if that first bad decision had not been made, then maybe the downward spiral may have been avoided. All speculation of course.
Collingwood had the same problem when they played at Victoria park. Then they would lose grand finals. 3 premierships at mcg since making it their home ground plus several other grand final appearances
Interesting analysis.
I think it is one of many factors.
I agree with the board being more interested in off field stuff. But Barham seems to have a focus back on football.
The drugs saga. Poor selection at draft and trade periods, on the whole, over years. Lack of hardness and will to win in an average list. Coach selection etc etc etc. We are a football club and have gotten away from basics!
But we should definitely be at the MCG as our home ground. It is a factor.
Nice one Dan, agree 100%. The move to Marvel was an indicator of the clubs future direction which is money first & results second ie the club sacrificing sporting integrity and competitiveness for economic benefits, and look where that has got us - a fan base that is bordering on revolt. It makes me very sad to think of where this club was placed in 2000 to what it has become a quarter of a century later.
We used to be the envy of the competition.
Essendon have done very very well financially at the Docklands compared to the other tenants
Love this take ❤
@@Nugget28 cheers
Totally Agree - We Still Suck
@@michaels5928 we sure do
Definitely makes sense. But everything changed the moment Jim and Kevin left.
Yeah, na, good teams win anywhere. Finals from 1998 to 2004 with one flag, should have been more as such a great team. Normal rebuild 2005-08. Knocking on the door and then the supplements fiasco ... and any momentum peters out. I'd say poor management overall, I knew one of the directors who was around during the scandal and he was clueless. No real superstars, a hit and miss recruitment policy, 7 club presidents in two decades. Just not a destination club any more .... Enjoyed the video!
Good watch and a great take. I do personally love a game at the Dome, great accessibility and viewing, but the G is better in all aspects, because and let’s be honest we aren’t really clean enough with our disposal, and aren’t fit enough to compete over a full year and can you really blame a venue for that?
My greatest concern and issue is how much we struggled with the development of, the picking of, and the focusing of our list. We haven’t done great in our end of year drafting, which should of been better IMO.
I can forgive a few years of frustration picks, and it is hard for the most part because, sometimes no one would of picked differently to your selection. A player who is a great example of, and that always comes to mind here is unfortunately for Essendon, A Francis, because sometimes they just don’t make it!
Sometimes they just don’t, but others I believe have been very average in selection of, especially in terms of talent profiles available and player talent profiles we required. I can even forgive the Covid year and I’m still hoping those players can become 150+ gamers, but I haven’t liked and cannot fathom our development of some players and I feel for the most part , too many have been gifted games, and not just because of limitations with our dept. I’m very forgiven towards players that have had to step up to or even played out positions to accommodate our needs, Laverde is the greatest example of this, and has to do it week in and week out, and all the shit that goes with it. Say whatever you want but he’s tougher than he gets credit for!
Hopefully we are over and on the other side of that now. I’m actually excited to see players get a chance now with a runs of games, or even a player out of position. I actually see a planned effort to push development, which is sometimes perplexing, but also sometimes productive. But even though bad form of performances, or a bad move, I do see a difference in the overall approach and effort, for the most part. Somehow our disposal fell away in the year which is still a concern because can that be fixed properly through preseason training alone?
The next few years will in all likelihood be the catalyst for greater success, depth in list and development of our squad will only push us further into relevance again!
I’m still excited, and a little more for next year!
Marvel certainly not spoken about enough as the catalyst for 20+ years of mediocrity. My best mate is a Collingwood fan and can’t believe we don’t play exclusively at the G. Thanks for the upload, enjoyed your take.
Well said
having our team of 2000 broken up because we messed up the salary cap was the first moment of changing from awesome to crap
@@andluc693 yep
Interesting thoughts and I tend to agree. Always wondered how we became a soft, unambitious club but this could be a factor. Just feels like the club in general is worried about public relations and how we are perceived rather fighting our own fight in our own way.
As evidenced by the Club not fighting the four week suspension that Wright got for going for the ball. Interesting that Wright lost all confidence when he came back and was a shadow of what he was.
The only reason I could see for moving our home ground from Windy Hill was hubris plus a little bit of arrogance! We were the best by any measurable quality & thought being at Docklands and giving up our position of being only one of 3 clubs at the MCG would not give the other suckers an even break !
Kevin Sheedy mocking the Dees after the 2000 Granny. Curse will last 50 years
Let us be honest here, he wasn’t wrong about them really, but people in glass houses!
This makes total and complete sense easy kills at Marval don't translate to premierships at the G constant gut running games make you hard as a team that's what counts in September
Hey Daniel how have you been?
Essendon maybe should change logo the only team to not change their logo since 1997 and another quirk is Essendon last played Melbourne twice since 2005.
@@BrandonStephen-p6q I’m pretty sure there will be a logo change in the next 12-24 months mate
@Dan262626 Cant wait to see for a neutral supporter. I go for Carlton. Which team is your biggest rival out of Carlton, Collingwood and hawthorn?
Knights over Hardwick
Knights was a caretaker until Hird was available and we treated him as such, to our own players detriment!
Everyone in the comp has probably had a bad 20 years at some stage.
Not many havn't won a final over a bad period like that though.
@ yeah I don’t know I’d have to look 👀
I think your on to something there
theory backed by statistics - makes sense to me
"Marvel Stadium" is pure denialism. As a person who takes great joy in this clubs downfall (a North supporter) I would put it down to 1) Sheedy's outdated post 2000 influence over the club, 2) the WADA scandal magnified by James Hird's refusal to fall on his own sword after getting a massive hint from Demetriou to do so & mitigate the fallout, 3) The inept Dodoro holding the EFC to ransom for so many years (did he know where the skeletons were buried?), 4) a proper functioning board that never really controlled the club. All of these factors had a far greater impact than any particular football ground.
I believe it was when we sacked Sheedy. He wasn’t going to coach forever but he certainly could have coached the next coach. The culture created would have passed down. Now we have what happened to Melbourne after they sack Norm Smith. 30 years of nothing!
Great vid and analysis. Marvels atmosphere is nowhere close to that of the mighty G , and I always wish we’d never moved there .
Some years we never play there until Anzac Day - and the results in those games …. Easy to guess
@@SteveMarrs-g2e the sooner we move back there, the better.
@ agree wholeheartedly, we moved to the mcg I think in 91… ten years of dominance there and nothing since. Love the content !
Cheers Dan
More accurate than the Docklands factor. Current coach is a dud, 2025 will be another wasted year.
As someone that is a huge fan of Marvel stadium it's kind of hard to accep the fact that us playing home games at Marvel has affect us in some way but I can where are you coming from I think if we ever get a opportunity to play all our home games at the G we should take it.
I think it’s cultural thing, more than a performance issue.
@Dan262626 Yeah that's correct if you look at it from the biggest picture we have obviously had a up and down team sort of culture because of the drug saga etc.
the stadium change had no impact.
I haven't paid my membership since james hird let the doctors fuck the club up!
Infact, it was the whole saga they made me stop watching AFL.
I went to Auskick waring PaulSamins number, then Shae Cockatoo collins, the day Wangernine went to Port Adelaide i was hurt and broken as a 10yo.
So a fell inlove with Hird.
followed the club on their down years but yeah, since the drug saga, lost interest in the game completely
Marvel because of the money and the coterie's, who run the club more than any other club, wanted nice seats and bar service. Arrogance within club is still too high even Carlton have worked it out as did Collingwood Richmond before them
I think Essendon playing at Marvel doesn't feel right. Collingwood, Richmond and Hawthorn are some of the biggest Victorian clubs and are playing at the larger venue the MCG. Carlton also a big club and are now playing more games at the MCG and Essendon need to do the same thing and move tge majority of their games to the MCG.
I reckon one of the biggest problems with Marvel stadium is the roof and games played there are always played in dry conditions. This became a problem for St Kilda in 2009. They were the best team that season but only played one game at the MCG during the home and away season. The 2009 grand final against Geelong was a cold wet day and the conditions favoured Geelong that day.
Two words: Adrian Dodoro
Letting sheedy go was the start of the crap then the drug saga killed it
Pies have been generous lately to your mob
Club is ran by the marketing department, everybody answers to them. Reason Thompson stopped coaching us
They lost me when they sacked the Chairman for having good Christian values. Pathetic!
And thats y they are so weak , weak culture , weak club
100% correct, but really he was the wrong a man, and should never of been considered! People forget who he really was and funnily the shock and awe bullshit press that doesn’t honestly reported the truth. This man was sacked from NAB because of actions he was involve with and was in control of! Find his testimony during the Banking Royal Commission and that footage, in his own words is what you should be more concerned about, and as a partitioner of any Church should also give you greater against, as it did with me!
I think you are VASTLY overstating where this club plays as some sort of reason for our problems. This club have been a mess from a management standpoint since the early 2000's when its salary cap buffoonery, the drugs scandal, a long winded history of bad drafts and questionable coaches, the good ole boys club in upper management lasting WAYYYYY too long, the list goes on and on and on.
and the one thing your stats really point to isn't about where they play it just points to how those clubs are run. Look at clubs all at MCG that are wildly successful (Collingwood, Geelong (who at this point I don't feel like we can consider them an MCG club given they play more games at the GMBHA), Richmond, Hawthorn, Carlton) how many of those teams can you say are as poorly run as we are? the only one you can say are in close are the Dees but that's been more recent than constant. Those clubs success isn't based on where they play its how they are run.
Blaming the move to Marvel looks outward at the problems and not inwards, and baby we have spent the past 20+ years being A MESS on the inside.
I agree, but you are also sort of proving my point. What I'm saying is the move to Marvel was the first bad mistake that led to a culture shift, and therefore led to a lot of the other bad mistakes indirectly.
When the drug stuff happened, the league should have shut the joint down and relocated them interstate. Their done.
Go the BLUES
Grrr
go back to early 2000's and Sheedys band aid brigade! Should have gone to the draft (like hawthorn, collingwood and geelong did) instead of getting has beens, washed up and over the hill players. Camporeale, murphy, richard cole, ty zantuck, matthew allan, grigic, mark alvey, mal michael and throw in distratious choices in the draft (gumbleton, kepler bradley). Marvel had nothing to do with the 14 premierships non tenatns have won, they set their football club up for the future by going to the draft and telling their members a couple of years of pain for long term gain. Im sure Franklin, roughead, hodge and ellis were not rewards for being successful or just making the finals, no they were rewards for being mediocre. Something Essendon should have done instead of drafting washed up players so Sheedy could keep his job by saying we at least made finals. Never going to get near a premiership with the plums listed above. Easy to blame Marvel but if it wasnt for Telstra dome, etihad, marvel and the financial gains we got and get from that deal our club wouldnt exist of the drugs saga.
I agree with all your points. Although I still think the move to Marvel was the first of a string of bad choices. If only for a sliding doors moment.
I’m not a fan of marvel stadium but I love ESSENDON FOOTY CLUB YES GO BACK TO THE MCG
Yes please
I blame Kevin Sheedy ,after the 2000 grand final ,Essendon should have been a Powerhouse, but because of salary cap rotting ,giving away five premiership players,Sheedy would not put his faith into the national draft, all the rejects he got ,from another team, that's why we Spyro into mediocrity,bad recruiting
@@shanetharle9211 we definitely mismanaged the salary cap
What about crap recruitment and poor player development?? A lot if high end picks have been massive busts.
@@georgepappas4628 another video coming on those very things soon
Docklands
Because they cheated on the salary cap and then cheated again with drugs as far as I’m concerned they don’t exist anymore totally different club now
the culture is bad , fullstop , board are weak and have nfi
2 words....drugs...dodorro
But I think it's unfounded bragging calling the Bombers biggest and best focusing on the 90's. West Coast were better than you, North Melbourne were better than you, Adelaide were better than you and Carlton were better than you.
North Melbourne and West Coast were the two best teams of the 90's with 2 premierships each, that's true. But The Bombers were the biggest club with the biggest crowds in the biggest Home and away games. They Dons were the big drawcard, and for the most part a pretty consistent finalist.
@Dan262626 Well West Coast are multiple times richer than the rest of the AFL clubs, pull 50,000 fans on AVG for a fixture game and have over 100,000 members. What does that count for these days? Melbourne media can't get enough of giving them shit recently.