Has Keir Starmer made a mistake? | James O'Brien - The Whole Show
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"Judge him when he gains power..."
Why? Can we not judge him on his u-turns, broken pledges, deception?
I swear starmer pays you to run interference for him. He's a supposed civil rights lawyer that wouldnt call out israels collective punishment so forgive me for being skeptical of Starmers morality
His "human rights" past consisted of helping murderers get off death row.
You can hate the death penalty, but still think Starmer is genuinely a weird guy.
@@agmor1 *sigh*
As a lawyer you don't get to pick your clients, you don't get to say no I don't want this one. Justice for all means everyone gets representation regardless of what you or I or the lawyer thinks of them
@mikeldavies. Starmer is ia specialist civil rights lawyer with an impressive record. Your casual use of the word “supposed” only weakens your position.
@belindamay8063 I in no way meant that he wasn't qualified, just the opposite, the impressive record only makes it worse that he'd avoid calling out war crimes
I usually agree with James, but he's infuriatingly patronising to very polite callers who are making very sound points.
Based on zero evidence though, they just don’t like politics and are criticising starmer for making a sound political move
@@BalianofTheTube So he might lure some wayward Tories to vote Labour. Then what? I don't agree with James. Starmer has no interest in making things better for the country. He wants power for power's sake and wants to keep the right of his party and theirs donors happy.
"He's bringing in people that you might not fully agree with on everything"
While simultaneously booting out huge chucks of the left of Labour. Yippee 👍
Which bloc of voters is more numerous? The centre right or centre left?
@@lionguardant5468So Labour should just be a centrist party now because the numbers are better? I personally stand for more than being popular but fingers crossed he actually helps the country 🤞
First off, I'm very left wing, i do not like centre politics. You know who does like centre politics, most people. Frankly standing for your ideologica purity is an admitable trait but in the real world people are dying because of this government and if it takes having to be pragmatic with my principles and vote in a centrist government to get rid of the corrupted swamp that is this tory government I am willing to take that hit.
We can argue about ideology when we have power.
@@johnladen9988 If you aren't popular you can't govern, it's as simple as that.
@@lionguardant5468 by hook or by crook i will be PM and then what? the guy has no values.
so starmer would rather have a tory in his party than diane abbott… yeah i’m not voting for them
At no point did James say that. That said, Abbott is in the situation she's in because of her own controversial actions. I don't like Elphicke whatsoever, and I won't defend her past words. I'm uneasy with her admission to the party, but you're only looking at it from one point of view. Politically Starmer was smart to accept her, as someone who wants to govern for the whole country and not just the Owen Joneses of the land. My priority is for a Labour win and for the Tories to be out of power. Can you argue against that, unless you actually want the Tories to win yet again?
@@chriswhite82 the correct course of action would have been to point and laugh at the tories and congratulate the defecter, then decline her offer of 'help' on the grounds of diminished morality.
@@markwalding8205that's exactly it. A tory MP defecting is fantastic. A labour leader welcoming a vile person like that? Crushing. Losing the labour core to hopefully attract some fringe right wingers who, let's be honest, will never vote for labour. Utterly ridiculous. I suspect it's why Starmer also was pro Cass review. Complete nonsense yet will attract the far right at the expense of the labour core. What is he thinking? How is this tactical or clever?
Vote Green or independent! Don’t vote for Tel Aviv Keith!!!
Don’t be a fool you only have two choices. All other votes are spoiled. It might make you feel better, but I’ll actually have no effect. If you want things to change hold your nose and vote for the almost party. You have more than one issue to contend with if you want your country to survive.
@petermartin4142 I agree 100%. Labour aren't just fighting the Tories, they are fighting pretty much all of the British media outlets too. Where is the daily rant about the Tories position on the situation in Gaza? Labour have to come across as moderate, centrist (even centre right) and willing to accept people from all sides if they are to win a GE. Once they're in power things can change. Look at the Tories promise to the red wall voters and how they've been treat since.
@@petermartin4142yes, tory or neo tory. Unfortunately neither version of the tory party have plans that will address the decline of the nation. Personally, I think labour (neo tories) will manage the decline more humanely, but don't have plans to reverse the decline permanently.
Don't be a fool, no one is able to save UK. This country has been rendered unsalavageble.
Anyone wanting power is to get the scrapping price.
Weak Royal family.
Weak economy.
Weak army.
Weak navy.
Weak youth.
RIP
I mean, the point the first two callers were trying to make and james was determined not to hear, starmer can't actually be all things to all people. Either policy will be what feminist and immigration supporters want, or what people like this "former" Tory want. He has to be Either lying to the torys, or lying to labour supporters, and their is a real risk it's the latter at this point. Winning power is useless if you use it to support tory policies. ...
Elphicke in the Labour party is plain wrong. I can't be bothered explaining why.
Anyone with a brain can understand the pros and cons (agree or not). It was disheartening to see O'Brien not even willing to entertain the cons, but keep forcing his opinion on others. Quite unlike his other opinion slots.
thanks for your contribution jezza, really helpful (y)
I arrived before the Sangita comments 👊
But James where is Sangita?
boring move on
in her house, probably
No, keep the sangita comments up.
She's fired, confirmed, get over it
@Dynasty1818 why are we not allowed to continue to complain about it?
After 46 years of being in the Labour Party, this has pushed me out.
How did you stand it for so long. I elected myself 3 years ago, I could see what direction the party was heading, that they had full support of the compliant media, and that the position was irreversible.
I shoud have as soon as Keir became leader.
*Vote Green! Don't vote for the Red Tories* 🇪🇺🇬🇧
No thank you
Palestine no way
Hi Mikey. If the Green candidate for my constituency (if there is one) can beat Danny Kruger, (Tory) then Yeah! Perhaps I will, because I'm more concerned with getting these crypto-fascists (Tories) out of government. Otherwise, No. I won't.
I'm agreeing with James-O. Tactically it is audacious to say the least, but when I think about the populist politics of the Tories and how susceptible the British people have been to so much disinformation/misinformation, and now what a perfect counter to all the Tory gerrymandering and corruption. This is where we're at.
I will be
@PassiveAgressive319 Perfect! Let's make sure Labour only gets a small majority. It needs to be pulled to the left, under Starmer Labour will continue NHS privatisation.
Conservatives and Starmer are the same. Just the flavour is different.
So you think Sunak, who is an analyst for Goldman Sachs, the same bank who said publicly that Brexit is a disaster, and who didn't work anything for his entire life, is the same as Starmer, who is a prosecutor who worked hard against female genital mutilation and to bring rapists to justice, ARE THE SAME???
I'm voting labour, but every week Starmer does something to make me not want to vote for them. I'm voting for labour to get rid of the Tories and really hoping Starmer doesn't turn out to be a Tory in disguise!
This show is increasingly turning into a platform for the Labour Party's campaign team.
James , with the greatest respect you are skating on very thin ice . Keeping quiet on the dismissal of Sangita Myska is not worthy of you . She was the Broadcaster of the Year 2023 .
James has got a big ego though, so it sort of makes sense?
@martin You need to change your bedsheets!
@@chatham43you need therapy
@@chatham43congratulations !!!! You won youtubes "dumbest comment of the week" award. Its a strong contender for dumbest comment of the year award.
Martin with the least respect possible please start ranting and raving at your public radio job about your fired co-worker and see how quickly that gets you fired
Interesting that James mentions the fact that the people of Dover need more houses and that the defecting MP was very hot on housing. What he has failed to mention is that the people of Dover also need jobs and this defecting MP voted FOR the fire and rehire policy that allowed P&O the ability to fire its workers (many of whom I assume are her constituents) and hire foreign agency workers on less than minimum wage.
I believe it was mentioned on Yesterday's programme
Bring back Sangita!
Not used to seeing James so dismissive of such polite callers.
Where is Sangita?
Where's Sangita?
Where is sangita ?
he wants everyones votes, unless you are to the left of suella braverman. james and his starmer love in is getting old.
Right!? There's definitely something going on because James defends Starmer at every turn
She’s just curating herself a Quango position in a Labour government. An opportunist at its worst
i love that word
A perfect fit for morally vacant Labour
more like did LBC backing Starmer made a mistake?
I don't know if James is willfully ignorant or just naive about Keir "Supreme Blairite" Starmer.
I thought naive at the start of the video but the longer this goes on I'm becoming convinced it's either willful ignorance or cash under the table.
OH JAMES PLEASE DONT MAKE ME LAUGH you are being extremely optimistic there
Starmer is a mistake. Making a mistake is not supporting a fearless journalist like Sangita and placing your career over your integrity.
Sangita?
This is probably the episode full of James’ worst takes. He dismisses anyone young and just retires to the same talking points.
Since post October 7th I would never vote for Starmer even if he got his mate Bibi to order the IDF to torture me - Workers Party for me
Anyone Else think at first WHO THE F### is MAGNUS I never voted him 🤣
Well, OK, James, but your assertion - some 11 minutes in - about Starmer's intentions and motivations does tend to beg one important question: WHY do you believe he wants to "make Britain a fairer and more equable place"? The bloke has dumped just about every policy commitment that he ever had, that worked to that end.
I still find it baffling that Elphicke would cross the floor. Is politics really this meaningless in the end?
Surely the notion that politicians are all self serving isn't a surprise to you?
Anyone seeking power is entirely unsuited to getting any.
Starmer reminds me very much of the great Clement Attlee - a quiet, unimpressive-looking man who didn’t go in for speeches. But he laid the foundations of the Welfare State. And he was bold in action. Some would say it was revolutionary - I prefer the term “transformative”.because he restored what was the best in us . I was 11 when he became PM. He transformed the life-chances of my whole generation. A brilliant one today James.
Starmer may try to woo right wingers, centrists and undecided voters, but as long as we have FPTP, I will vote for whoever has the best chance of getting rid of the nasty party, and where I live, that's the Lib Dems.
The Starmer Party is the Nasty Party.
My word what a caller , absolutely agree Chris he is not only pragmatic but he is a facilitator he will put the right person into a task to get a result , we need to stop this sham and get this country moving forward together.
you get what you elect... despite what people tell you ...
Sangita
I agree with James, as I almost always do, but only righ up to the point he tells the conflicted student considering the Greens: 'if a tory wins it's your fault'. That can't be the answer. Parties must win votes, they aren't entitled to them. Though I am sure every politician ever to have existed would love to save to the people: "if you don't support me then there's something wrong with you".
It's a calculated move (and one I agree will probably work) to toss aside the concerns of one group of voters and actively pursue the concerns of a different, larger group. But if it *_*doesn't*_* work then only a cynical POS could possible turn to voters they ignored and say: "yeah I know you didn't agree with my policies, but you need to vote for me anyway".
It's political blackmail. We can do anything because the alternative is Tory
Please NO NO NO NOT so many seats for Labour. We need more Greens (Caroline Lucas-like), ie with a care of the people and a professional and personal integrity. We Do Not need a Starmer who has removed decent respectful hardworking politicians from the Labour party like Diane Abbott,,Jeremy Corbyn, Zarah Sultana etc. Starmer is under the thumb of the Bliar/Mandelson lot.
What are you getting out of plugging voting for this twofaced Starmer geezer James? … …
If you take an honest look at the evidence, Starmer is quite clearly on the left in his heart and following a pragmatic route to rebuild Britain. People like Corbyn and Abbott are not capable of making change, they are activists and only care about being aesthetically leftist.
but sir kid starver purging the labour left is fine?
That refugee has got a better grasp of British politics than most British people 😂
This is insane. Starmer has gotten worse and worse and worse. We've reached the point of madness now but people still defend him. What could he possibly do to lose James's support? What conservative policy would be a step too far and not just a "genius ploy to appeal to Tory voters"? I can think of nothing. Starmer is totally uncountable for his words and actions.
I think this was the moment I finally saw through JOB.
I wonder if the victims of Mr. E. are so happy about Labour siding with what Mrs. E. had to say about them. But then again Starmer knows crime victims votes are so few he need not to be concerned about them.
The lady at 33:06 is the teacher who phoned in about the child wanting leftover potatoes because their cupboards were bare.
I have always voted for Labour and I hope they get in!
Why though
no need to hope, it is going to happen as polls have shown for over a year now. but your leader seems keen to do all things possible to sabotage himself from becoming PM. bold strategy keith, lets see if that pays off for him.
I always voted Labour. Just left the party, sadly, after many years.
Tactical brilliance and ideological stupidity. Amazing stuff politics!
TH-cam just automatically rolled over to this show because I used to watch it so much. I don’t watch LBC anymore because of its coverage of Palestine and the way they treated Sangita. 👋🏼
Come on O’B common sense tells us that the daffodil seeds would take years to develop into a bulb before producing a 🌹!
I have always for a left and I have always for a left wing party come on you left wing !
not a labour voter then
Please tell me what to vote then , I’m looking for a left wing party myself
A relative who voted Tory in 2019, liked Boris, and has very different views on immigration to mine told me last week that he was going to vote Labour. I told him how fantastic I thought that was. What I didn't do was moan about him previously voting Tory, and castigate him for having some views that I don't agree with. What message does it send to recently converted voters like my relative when they see Labour supporters and people from the wider left condemning Starmer for welcoming an ex-Tory?
There's a big difference between voters and literal tory MP's. Attracting more voters?, fine of course
Welcoming in every tory mp who's been a part of the last 14 years of failure and chaos?, yeah, nah. You literally said that he told you last week, so Natalie Elphicke had ZERO sway in him voting for Labour. Infact i'd argue it was because of people like her that he decided to run a mile the other way
What about Labours 2019 voters?, funny how they just get ignored eh. Welcoming in people from the hard right like Elphicke whilst lefties like Corbyn and Abbott have been kicked out, what message does that send them?
Because winning the 3% of tory. votes at the expense of 10% of labour votes is a losing strategy.
@DrippyWaffler Under FPTP you can afford to lose votes in areas where they weigh Labour votes instead of counting them. In 2017 and 2019 Labour votes piled up in cities and metro areas, but were lacking almost everywhere else. That's why we lost. Starmer is pursuing a deliberate strategy of vote efficiency. Look where Labour is currently winning votes in by elections, local elections and look where they are losing votes. It's a similar strategy of vote efficiency and effective distribution which won Labour a majority of 66 on just 35.2% of the vote in the 2005 GE.
the real jimmy coming out today you must remember to agree with him he is always right even when he is wrong manchild
Sangita ❤
Agiography does not suit you.
you mean "keir starmer was a mistake"
Regarding the conditioning thing.
The gentleman giving the explanation is really only part correct on what conditioning is. I shall explain, having the equivalent of two degrees in psychology (one being a master's).
The Russian chap, Ivan Pavlov, was not a psychologist: he was a physiologist studying salivation in dogs. He needed to know what the contents of saliva were that started the digestive process off in the mouth. Of course, feeding the dogs made them salivate. But this left food particles in the samples, thus forming a contaminant. Where the gentleman was right was that Pavlov forgot to feed the dogs at the usual time and it was the sound of _foot-steps_, not a bell, that stimulated salivation in the dogs. Food was described as the unconditioned stimulus, to what salivation was an unconditioned response. The foot-steps, having been presented so often with the delivery of food, became the conditioned stimulus to which the salivation was a conditioned response. The collector-implantation surgery on the dogs was, thankfully, only in the cheek and, in order to elicit the salivation, Pavlov used a metronome to simulate the foot-steps. This is what is known as classical conditioning but - in behaviour analysis - we call it respondent learning.
The gentleman got wrong the name of the process: operant learning starts with respondent learning but goes deeper into the process, so respondent learning seems to be a trivial case in operant conditoning. Operant learning involves the teaching of a skill, basically. Any action that is even the smallest step toward the skill being taught is reinforced by the presentation of something the organism finds pleasant. Every time this action is made, the reinforcer comes. This is then reduced in some ratio so that, as action gets closer to and given element of the skill being taught, it is reinforced on a continuous basis, then moved back to a different reinforcement schedule. Thus, as the action gets closer to that element of the taught skill, the motivation is maintained by virtue of its being the most reinforced response by the time the skill is identified and marked off as learnt. The 'operant' in operant learning refers to the way in which this set off: in respondent learning, a natural response is brought under situational control whereas, in operant learning, the action that gets reinforced (in this case) is the operant, and we use shaped versions of that operant to form the development steps of the skill being acquired. This work was set in full motion by B. F. Skinner, having read works by Hull and Thorndyke and, I believe, Tolman (but I may be wrong there).
I hope this helps.
James, just to say i used to watch/listen to you everyday, as you are fair minded.
Listened to sangita a few times and found her to be very fair also. Unfortunately after her disappearance i have stopped watching LBC and only came back here to comment. I feel she has been silenced for doing her job.
I'd rather to go a place where there are all sorts of views/opinions, even those that are contrary to my views, that's what stop you from being a robot.
Great show, I whatsapped a question into mystery hour but it didn’t get read, does it always have to be a call ?
Yes.
Leading Bibi Cheerleaders (LBC) ft IDFerrari, Shelagh Israelity and James O Coward 😂
Is any vote not worth having?
Plenty of mothers who’ve taken a step farther side
great ponts by the caller @1:3156
I hear slimy frog and I picture Farage.
Get a grip Steven Elphicke is not going to contest in the next general election. Labour already have a MP for her seat. This just brings more embarrassment to the PM and the Conservative party. Brings the GE closer.
I think you are wrong at this, James. The kind of people he is appealing for are not the kind of people you want to be associated with in real life, let alone them being a part of your voting base. You say judge him when he is in power, and I ask you this, what would change then. He would still be worried about losing his newly acquired voting base at every decision he makes...
I judge him for how he gains power.
Lol bully obrien has gone far right
Tory-lite incoming. Will anyone notice the difference?
Starmer has lost my vote
I will never vote for Starmer. You see, he isn’t my local MP, so I’ll just vote for my local Labour candidate instead.
@luked So all is not lost.
@@TheScoppieso you'll still be voting for starmers watered down economic tories.
I think the football analogy is apt. It's like someone from the other team swapping jerseys and playing on your side but the fans (disgruntled callers) not knowing if it is ok to cheer for them.
Nah, the caller's analogy was much better.
Keir is gonna win, we know this at this stage. It's like being up 5-0 in the semis. And inexplicably he's done something to maaaybe win short term (bring the finals squad on) when he's already winning at the expense of a potential injury. He doesn't need to do this to win. However it could make him lose.
I agree James. It’s a great strategy. People have misunderstood his ability. I’ve read his book‼️
"we need to get starmer in as soon as possible". I genuinely never thought i'd hear a single human being say that 🤣
The Pavlov guy messed up. Ivan's doggy saliva discovery was classical conditioning, the association of a thing with a neutral stimulus to make a condition it into a conditioned stimulus, the caller said it was operant conditioning.
Operant conditioning was BF Skinner, much later, where a behavior is reinforced by various different schedules of reward or absence of reward or negative reinforcement to increase the behavior or make it extinct.
I missed the start of the call (blame it on my neurodivergence) then heard the psychology stuff and tuned back in, must have been distracted, but you have your 3 approaches in Pavlov and Watson's *stimulus focused* classical conditioning, Skinner's *response focused* operant conditioning and Jung and Freud's *space between stimulus and response*, saying of one thing while thinking about your mother is psychodynamic...ANOTHER! Thinking about your p*n*s! Nooooo! I need a lie down on a chaise lounge. lolz
Just to pull you up on your ancient history James, but Jesus was a Jew not a Christian.
Hes made loads of "mistakes"......but due to him not being left wing hasn't been held to account for any of them.
re: towerls. yes thicker ones are better, however it's probably because you are using fabric softener on your towerls. I don't. My Towels are rougher than a cat's tongue.
Sangita is comming back
What, on top of the pops ? Sinitta was great, So Macho, Shy Boy and many other hits. 👍
I don’t want to shout from the sidelines anymore ! Ffs
Will the 5 missions become the new 10 pledges.
He will do much for the environment.
Best PM ever? Harold Wilson!!!
Come on kier you will do lt !
Do what exactly. Turn labour into a complete tory party
Who's this 'kier' bloke?
What do you say about the brexiteers James compassion for the ? Their is always hope 😅
You voted for Boris
James has also become a talking head after sangitas dismissal
May labour win the election Jame..... although....for some people their state pension/credits have gone up.. the cost of living and fuel costs have risen they are no better off...🥺
No, he has not.
Starmer needs to get the 'corbynites' on board to win. Hahaha, yeah, ok James. FFS
Well, you don't look a gift horse in the mouth 😁
You'll be the starmer apologist/ fan boy forever. Unbelievable how hypocritical James is
You are off the mark here James, dramatically. Should listen to the vox pop across the country regarding this.
Jesus wasn't a Christian as he'd have to worship himself
Nope.
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With lefty presenters JOB, Foggy Fogharty, Marr, Abbott, Devon, etc etc!
Wow James is in a filthy mood today isn't he.
Although I agree with James he’s over ferocious in the way he is dealing with the callers.
Where is Sinitta ?
Its James _Waffling_ O'brien again.
Some people listen enough to a channel and become sheep, regardless of whether it is left wing or right wing.
I've been listening and watching O'Brien for a while now and it's clear he can get pretty dense and obnoxious when people disagree with the message he is trying to force. The callers are obviously communicating "what's not to like", but O'Brien keeps interrupting and "going in circles" himself. The callers "do not like" someone who defected when it became clear the Tories are losing hugely. They are concerned about Labor or IND who will see this as an act of weakness or integrity. You may gain some Tory supporters, but what if you lose some Labor supporters?
What is so hard to understand, James? BTW, where is Sangita!