Sabellian or Wrathion - WHO DO YOU SUPPORT?!
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- Two black dragons, 1 throne...1 legacy! Sabellian and Wrathion both believe that they're the ones to lead their flight into the future. We get a choice on who to support so a lot of you asked who to go for?! In this video I'll give you a run day on these dragons and what they're all about. I hope you'll enjoy ^_^
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Its comes down to this ladies and gentlemen, Wraithion vs Sabellion. Who will take home the Obsidian Throne? Who will-wait, whats this? Its Ebyssian! With the steel chair!
Ebussyian so true
Bah Gawd!!!! He's killing him
Yes.
CAN YOU BELIEVE IT ! OUT OF NO WHERE !!! WRATHION ... Clearly in pain and Seballion in shock ! What a way to start Monday Nig-... i mean Dragonflight !
Cue the Stone Cold music.
I PICKED SEBELLIAN COS WRATHION WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR WARLORDS OF DRAENOR, SOME THINGS CANNOT BE FORGIVEN
He also made you grind visions for another legendary.
Amen. As Wrathion himself likes to ironically state, “Actions have consequences.”
But WoD wasn’t THAT bad Barney!? The questing and raids were top notch! BFA and Shadowlands were far worse 😔
He made warlords or draenor happen to empower garrosh to stop a legion invasion and created alternate timeline gul dan which made the legion invasion possible 🤦♂️
Ebonhorn is the most deserving. An Obsidian Tribunal between all 3 would be cool.
A Black Dragon Tribunal? Yeah keep dreaming buddy, that would literally NEVER happen, especially if it involves Wrathion and Sabellion. Have you met those two?!
I think so too. My first choice is Abyssian/Ebonhorn. But if he is not an Option (because the doesn't give a fuck) Wrathion is. because Wrathion actually listens to others while Sableian things he knows it all.
@@CrescentRuby Wrathion listens? He was told his attack on the djaradin would end in disaster but didnt care becouse of his giant ego.
@@tooth1539 no not entirely because of his ego. because with the player and himself taking a more active role he knew they would have a chance. so yeah it was more him going okey i will have to take a more active role (which he prob wasn't gonna have) and then with the players help too we can still win this ofc said in a more egocentrick way.. and well he was right wasn't he... now i imagine sabilian showing up had a huge effect on that too but still without him i think we'd still win cuz we had pretty much done most of the work whey they came swooping in.
it wasn't just him ignoring the information and saying sod it we'll attack anyway with zero regard to his troops..
Tbh I think Ebonhorn is largely content being a Tauren
The fact that we have to choose between these two means that either none will become the Black Dragon Aspect or one of them will become a raid boss.
Sabellian gonna become raid boss bc Wrathion was already one in bfa
Yeah... They didn't even bother giving Sabellian a unique model. He's definitely either going to become evil and we'll have to kill him, or he'll die tragically and with that Wrathion will "learn a lesson".
@@jeffulloa218 Lot of important dragons we'rent given unique models till later. And while on the subject of dragon models, they made Nozdormu look all wrong compared to his established looks. They removed 2 of his horns and feels like they change his silhouette some as well.
@@ordelian7795 I agree, Merithra didn't get an updated model like Kalec, Nozdormu and Alexstrasa, but still, it's weird that they did update his model, but still didn't give him a unique one.
@@jeffulloa218 His model is unique, just not correct.
If we don't get jebaited into an Ebonhorn leadership, I foresee Sabellian dying either due to some corruption and him turning evil or a self-sacrifice to protect Wrathion from something, who takes that experience as a "grow up kid" moment and becomes the Aspect proper.
I'm okay with Ebornhorn taking over because he would most likely hand over leadership to Wrathion when he grew up enough for it. I don't think Ebornhorn would trust Sabellian either given his past with Deathwing, and Ebornhorn doesn't have that sort of ambition to challenge Wrathion if Wrathion proves himself worthy of leadership.
I feel like Wrathion is too immature and could benefit from having someone over him for a bit to humble him as well as help guide him. He never really had anyone like that since he hatched. People have helped save him and accomplish his goals, but no one raised him. He took over Ravenholdt after he hatched and was already scheming to help take down Deathwing in Cata. I know Dragon whelps can be pretty smart right out of the egg and help themselves, but they still need guidance. Wrathion did his research and worked things out for his benefit, and he has the right end goal of helping Azeroth. However, he still has a lot of blind spots when it comes to leadership and morals that Ebonhorn could greatly help with. Ebonhorn wasn't raised by the black dragonflight, but he learned much about proper leadership from Huln Highmountain himself and was there to help guide the tribe for thousands of years. Ebonhorn is perfect to help guide Wrathion.
@@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 Thing is, anointing a new aspect isn’t a simple thing. Takes time. If Wrathion doesn’t become aspect, they wasted time and money on even creating so many plot points with him involved. My personal opinions. Either way, I like both and wouldn’t mind anyone of them becoming Aspect of Earth. Just think it’d be silly on Blizz to waste the time on the character progression. Cheers
I'm afraid if that happens there will only be a scene of maturity and a speech of "I know better now" and then wrathion will act the exact same way.
@@peeko_luxx2873 They didn't waste anything, they made expansions that were bought. People aren't going to unbuy the previous expansions because Wrathion the Dumbbringer doesn't get a payoff for being dumb in every expansion.
A part of me is expecting Ebonhorn to become the Aspect, simply because he is the one that doesn't want it.
Fairly certain there is a old story trope where the one that does not want the power or mantle is the one whom must take it up as they are the one who would do the job best as they understand & respect the burden.
That is a BS trope. Yes, it does exist, but it is just stupid. Nobody can be good at job they hate.
@@theodorsik It´s not about "hating" the job...
It´s about understanding and respecting the responsibilities and ramifications of making mistakes in such a position, and not wanting to shoulder that burdern for fear of failing those that placed their trust in the incumbent.
And those people more often than not do actually fulfill those roles excellently, because they always give it 110% instead of thinking they can coast by on the power they now have. ;)
Kahless said "Great men do not seek power. They have power thrust upon them."
@@theodorsik That's completely missing the point of the trope, it's not that that kind of characters would actually hate the job, in fact, they usually they end up feeling very comfortable in the leader position, the point of the trope is that they aren't obssessed with power, they are more suitable because they are actually thinking what that power should be used for instead of simply getting it for pure ambition.
This isn't a story trope it's a real life philosophy that is highly supported.
I rather have them corule or have Ebyssian lead. Regardless I hope their back and forth continues.
I would love if they just bicker while the other dragon aspects just recognize Ebyssian and just never tell them. :D
@@Valfara770 que laugh tracks and comedy jingle
There's already way too many councils and co-rulers in this game. Sabellion can go back to beating up ogres in Outlands.
@@TheFallingFlamingo co rule isn't really the same as a council tbh
Ebyssian doesn't want to lead. He is one with his tribe.
This is honestly warcraft as I remember it and it brings a tear to my eye lol. Characters that have major flaws but have also made great contributions to the world. Powerful in many ways but also weak in many others. No perfect golden boy and has complex characteristics to them. This is what made illidan and kael'thas so damn great. This was such a nice touch to an expansion. What made legion great was there was so many tasteful side things to do along with the main story
Ebonhorn, first choice. Sebellion is older and experienced compared to Wrathion, but he's been hiding out in Outland. He could have come home decades ago but stayed. Wrathion has been here, fighting and trying to rebuild the flight and fight for the world. He is immature for sure but if it is 100% between them two then Wrathion ftw. But Ebonhorn to me is better than both.
Ummm...rebuild what flight, he killed all of them in his purge except the ones fron outland
Baskilian, one of Sabellian's servants, states that Sabellian cured them of corruption.
I support Sabellian do that and not genociding his own flight, which is definitely something you don't want in a leader.
It took ALOT to cure just one. Let alone 2 ( ebonhorn) but he cured himself? And the others too? I doubt it. He is still corrupt in my eyes and also he was in outland that place twists magic. Thats how you get netherwings and other twisted creatures. He no doubt has been affected by outland. He is a ticking time bomb
He is already a leader, as you can see the majority of the black dragon fallow him from outland
But the whole point of being Earthwarden is protecting Azeroth, which Sabelian has not done. He ran to Outland. Wrathion, while immature and quite rash in his plans, always did everything to protect Azeroth itself. Sabelian just doesn't deserve the title of Earthwarden as he's done f-all for Azeroth even though he cured a bunch of black dragons.
@@Minox_ the Old Gods were still around, they would just been enslaved again
Oh, a corrupted dude said they were cured of corruption? Well then, that changes nothing.
While I will always back Wrathion as a champion of Azeroth, I actually think Ebonhorn is the most deserving to be the Aspect of The Black Dragons. He's a son of Neltharion, a protector of the world, and honestly just a noble character all around.
isn't he also a coward who hid from the world in high mountain until the player character came around?
@@framinthor Not a coward. It was his home for thousands of years after Huln cleansed his egg of corruption. He was the tribe's shaman for many generations. He joined the Horde along with them.
Dragons aren't obligated to be out saving the world. Ebyssian was neither part of the Wyrmrest Accord nor an aspect.
@@framinthor he couldn't leave high mountain, the place had wards that protected him from old gods corruption, if he left he would also be made a victim of deathwing madness
@@zennim125 sounds like a coward to me
Ebonhorn is no son of Neltharion. Hes the son of another Black dragon. So he is no heir of Neltharion.
In the Dungeon he also says: Those enemies seek to harvest the bones of his father.
As we know: Deathwing got turned into dust. So no bones.
I can't see Wrathion not being the aspect in the end. Blizzard seems to be pushing him, even him being on the loading screen with the other aspects.
While I'm inclined to agree, Blizzard has changed loading screen's in the past with major story beats. For example, if I'm not mistaken, when Arthas was defeated in Wotlk and Bolvar was crowned, the loading screens for Wotlk zones changed from Arthas to Bolvar.
Although you could argue that changing loading screens like that is probably resource heavy nowadays and has possibility to break something. I still wouldn't give Wrathion the win just yet.
@@J0llyGamer Think that loading screen didn’t come till a few expacs later. Could of even been just before Legion as Bolvar(New Lich King) had more plot points to help DKs get artifact weapons. Could be wrong though, memory is getting real fuzzy. 😅👌
Varian is on a load of loading screens for legion and he died in the intro.
I don't think loading screens imply you're sticking around.
@@peeko_luxx2873 pretty sure the bolvar screen came with Cata.
@@SINDRIKARL1 Your probably right. My memory isn’t what it once was. Cheers
Ebonhorn is the second oldest but is literally deathwings son directly. That gives him enough right alone but his actions truly speak more than his status
Well, Sabellion is also Deathwing's son. And compared to Ebonhorn who did absolutly nothing meaningfull in his whole life and would have died like anyother simple black dragon if we didn't save him, Sabellion saved his flight and is the true definition of a king / emperor, Ebonhorn is not suited. Plus, he doesn't want to be a leader soooo...
They are all deathwings sons directly...
@@sylphephilippe449 What also would speak against Ebonhorn is that he is kinda strongly associated with the Horde.
Source for Ebonhorn being Deathwing's son? I've never heard of that.
@@mokarokas-1727 As far I know its never directly stated. Almost all black dragons are descendents of Deathwing.
Ebonhorrn was born from a egg that was in the hort of Nelfarion (calling it his fathers lair), over 10000 years ago, implying he might be a direct child of Deathwing. Should be noted that Wrathion also calles Deathwing his father so, its not 100% clear. One should also consider that its not clear what the structures and familiar relationships inside a flight are.
What should be notes is that Ebonhorn already represented the Black Dragon Flight once and is on friendly terms with Wrathion.
THer's several thing that has to be taken in when making this call, namely: Bonds, actions and their consequences for others.
Wrathion: Young, dynamic and charismatic, the fanbase knows him well and would likely want him in charge simply for that reason. But Wrathion is also rash and extremely dangerous having literally sparked a war to raise an army against the legion (Warlords of Draenor) which sparked an actual invasion of the LEGION, (Legion surprise) and having manipulated the factions on multiple occasions (Pandaria). Then there's the fact that he's had several Black Dragons assassinated which isn't a good selling point.
Players may focus on his friendship with Anduin (and thus bonds with the Alliance) and overall good intentions to prove he's not that bad, but Wrathions' actions speaks otherwise. He's too rash to lead. Not to mention, to lead, he needs the respect of the remaining Black Dragons, who he hasn't associated with much aside from Ebonhorn, who hasn't familiarized himself with the brood either.
This isn't the case with the rival.
Sabellian: Mature, well established in the lore, has seniority and is a proven a grinder by taking care of the dragons in Outland on Deathwings' orders (and being his actual son), he is likely to be viewed as having done more for the Black Dragons than Wrathion. Sabellian sadly was also loyal to Deathwing and was corrupted (but has seemingly gotten over it) by the old gods' influence. A dangerous choice, but an understandable one for the lore savvy players to make.
Unlike Wrathion, he hasn't caused wars left and right and his manipulation/profiting of the factions is far smaller by comparison, but his intentions are focused on the BDF rather than the good of Azeroth.
Both have supporters and some claim to the position, while Sab has seniority and the support of other Black dragons, he is also not notorious for the fanbase nor does he have a good report with the other flights, Wrathion has none of the support from the BDs but is known to the fanbase and has some bonds with the other flights and with the alliance.
While one has to be the aspect, I think it's of the utmost necessity that that character takes the other as an advisor.
I'm honestly for Sabellian on this one, but I think most will choose Wrathion. They simply know him better and many are likely to view Sabellian as an evil uncle character, and that's too good for many to pass up as a future foe.
Sabellion he is far more mature. Wrathion is impulsive and a tad childish for a dragon. Though I wish it would be Ebyssian
To be fair Wraithion is only 12 years old
Ebyssian would make a fantastic Blackflight Aspect.
On the other hand Sabellian was a the chosen heir by Deathwing, that matters a lot and not in ways that favor Sabellian. After all should there be another Aspect of Earth who ever that might be might be very careful to not give the impression that it's just the return of Deathwing under a new name.
For all his Immaturity Wrathion has been 100% clear he considers that era of the Black dragonflight to be shameful and something he doesn't want to repeat.
Even Alexstraza who isn't really known for being unforgiving was vary of Sabellian or as she puts it "your part in your father's twisted legacy grants you no such privilege" when effectively banning Sabellian from entering the Ruby Lifepools.
@@SchizofromChi I thought that Wrathion is 18 years. Either way, young, impulsive, foolish and stupid at either age. lol
Wrathion gets no black dragon fellows because he keeps killing them when he found one
As much as I like Wrathion, I would love to see them portray Sabellian in a strong way where he shows why he was Deathwing’s lieutenant, there is no way someone like him “forged by fire” cant be cunning and dangerous, they have the potential of making Sabellian a fan favorite of they make him do more actions like the eggs transporting method he did, but in a battlefield or something.
Wrathion has a unique model, been build up through the story as we went along.
Is an actual uncorrupt black dragon with red glowing eyes.
Sabellian is literally a death wing worshipper that still worked with his father back in tbc, Sinestra was also about there.
and as he said himself: Deathwing chose him as the Caretaker of the Flight, not it's leader.
He also didn't help rebuild or reignite the Oath Stone, he left that to Wrathion and then went for the Throne as soon as all the work was done.
Sabellian is a good caretaker that helped keeping the flight alive, hiding away in Outland.
But he is no true leader.
He is manipulative and scheming.
the escort with the fake eggs was for more than just keeping his clutch safe to move, it was to discredit Wrathion.
and gain the Favor of the Dragon Queen.
Also it is very clear that Blizzard intent to insert younger dragons as the new Aspects.
Kalecgos replaced Malygos, Chromnormu will take Nozdormu's place, Mithra takes Ysera's.
and Alexstrasza will remain the only one left of the old guard to mentor the new generation, before having her place taken by the Majordormu.
I like Wrathion personally, but I expect the role of black dragon flight aspect to be an extremely turbulent and dangerous job with extremely short lifespan, might well let Sabellian fill in, die to some crap, then Wrathion step in after he get some time to let his immaturity sorted out.
I agree and disagree, regardless you know Wrathions with the shits when it comes to dangerous events, so he is just as likely to die if he did not have plot armor lmao. However, Wrathion has basically been playing the role of their aspect by defending Azeroth (doing so horribly due to inexperience tho, still think he is the more fitting choice long term.)
Man cant believe after helping him kill his father in Cata, grinding out the legendary cloak in mists, taking down an Old God together in BFA, Wrathions rep considers us as an "Acquaintance" to the Black Prince...
I think it should have been renamed. Maybe for rogues with the daggers they could have a given level already as an added bit of rp and fun
Well, it's not reputation with "Wrathion" only, it's for Wrathion's candidacy to the throne, or, in other words, how much support we show to Wrathion's forces and side. Rogues have had slight boost with Wrathion's reputations in the past, and there is even "The Black Prince" reputation which is literally just Wrathion.
@@MalonzeProductionsGaming It would be wonderful if Rogues would get extra dialogue/RP if we showed up with the Fangs of the Father during Dragonflight... it looks so obvious that I wonder if I just missed it?
Doesnt he call you a true friend after maxing his rep?
Just glad that they're finally doing something with Sabellian.
I forgot all about Sabel. He’s in a couple quests in Outland and has some minor roles/name drops in older lore books. I was pumped during the questing, the whole older brother vibes to Wrathion is awesome and truly hope we don’t lose him in those expansion. Would love to see more of them both, along with the sibling rivalry.
@@peeko_luxx2873 Yep. Known as Baron Sabermane. Only the Allys knew of him being a dragon during the quests in Bladesedge. But it seems like word about him being a dragon reached Stormwind a few years ago (despite not being seen in anything new since)
Don't get too used to him, my bet is he'll die or becomes evil.
I cannot see the other Aspects getting along and working with either Wrathion or Sabellion. But I can see Alexstraza and the others getting along and even respecting Ebonhorn.
I'm team Wrathion in the long run.
Wrathion needs time to grow but he also shows a direct interest in filling the role of an Aspect. He's similar to Kalec in that way -- his main support group are humans and he's not the ideal leader for a group of dragons but he had the right mindset to be an Aspect. Kalec had time to grow and now he's finally starting to fill in those shoes. Wrathion needs to do the same.
Sabellian is a reliable leader, but there is nothing there to indicate he'll care for anything beyond his own self interests/flight. I wouldn't be surprised if the other Aspects could only begrudgling accept him, since he's an old enemy that never proved himself and just returned for power. I can't trust him to be an Aspect, but he would be crucial to helping Wrathion develop. I would much prefer Sabellian act as a much needed guide and parental figure, since I can't see him committing to Azeroth or the mortal races the same way the other Aspects do. He seems like the type that'd be happier running his own group like Senegos.
100% this
i agree to most of it but wanting to be a ''king'' or well in this case an aspect (a super powerfull being with massive amounts of power bestowed upon them, enough to cripple whole nations) doesn't make you fit for it. and truth is Wrathion is so arrogant and self centered that he believes that he is the smartest person to have ever lived even when he keeps failing and taking the hardest and most nonsensical road to achieve his goal which often comes with massive cost's especially in lives. truth is Azeroth could have been united peacefully with warnings of a legion invasion in the same way they mostly did in Warcraft 3 (Jaina's human/Kirin Tor expedition, Thralls orcs and the night elves by Medivhs warnings which saved the world) and now they knew more about the threat and all knew it was real so such a warning would without a doubt be taken serious and make peace and cooporation possible without all the death. and yet even after his vision of the plan failed, there were a real olive branch made to make the world united due to Varian, Anduin, Vol'Jin and Thrall so a warning at that point would make it so they wouldn't just aim for a peacefull coexistence but prob would rely on eachothers and create an alliance so he kinda detroyed that a bit by not warning them and especially by intervening and trying to make the iron horde when there was no reason to because he had essentially achieved his goal, just not in the way he wanted or thought he would do. his story is filled with such things of him ultimately achieving what he wants or thinks necesary but not realising it and thus squadaring it.
IMO he is not a great leader, nor strategist, nor protector (he keeps starting wars in which the strongest most notable and possible war winning champions perish/becomes corrupted and evil such as garrosh or simply loose their mind such as Jaina (for a brief time), and he would have subjected Azeroth to a bunch of vile savages he had no control over simply because he thought everything on Azeroth should be uniform and ruled by one faction even if it mean basically the enslavement or eradication of all other mortal races when that is far from the case because time and time again Azeroth had been saved due to the races/nations/factions diffences and strengths all complimenting eachothers and making up for eachothers weaknesses when they all unite)
and well sibilian is just too much deathwing like atm and equally as self centered and arrogant
so yeah really sad Ebonhorn isn't an option (yet) hope they go that route though. with Wrathion and Sebilian almost starting a civil war so in order to save their kind they eventually both agree to stop seeking the power and give it to someone more worthy and less power hungry. which would open it up for Ebonhorn whom is by far the wisest and best leader the Black Dragonflight can offer.
Wrathion getting some character development, willingly abdicating to either Sabellion or Ebyssian, and then inheriting the job after one of them passes away would be a very satisfying way for this to play out.
"Sabellian is a reliable leader, but there is nothing there to indicate he'll care for anything beyond his own self interests/flight".
There's nothing to indicate that he won't, either. That's a bit of a baseless accusation.
I do like Wrathion, and I think that once he has matured and gained some experience with the Black Dragonflight, he could be a great Aspect. But for now, I think that Sabellian is the appropriate leader. (Ebyssian is not in the running, and I do wish that people would stop suggesting him. His role has always been that of an advisor, and he would gladly serve the Aspect in that role, I'm sure. Unless he heads back home to Highmountain, of course. But not Aspect.)
Wrathion has a good deal of experience fulfilling the duties of the Black Dragonflight, and with his small army of Black Talons, could serve the Flight very well. The Flight has eyes and ears everywhere, thanks to him. He could become a Commander of the Flight for a while, as Sabellian's heir, and learn to lead the Flight one day.
Sabellian has experience of leading the Flight itself, and has more maturity in general of course, being thousands of years older. I do think that he's the best option for for Obsidian Throne.
Have a look at the cinematic where they meet. After they introduce themselves to each other, the battle flares up and they turn towards it. Watch their faces carefully, particularly their eyes. Wrathion glances in surprise at the battle in general, whereas Sabellian immediately looks around, gauging the fight itself, and assessing the situation. He is the true General and leader of the Flight.
Sabellion cared for the eggs, Wrathion didnt. Wrathion is immature and arrogant, hes the reason for WoD and Guldan. He doesnt care about consequences. He acts exactly like a teenager. Not what I would want to lead.
If you step back and look at it, its the standard debate of "Old Tradition" and "New Change", with Sabellion being a part of the old ways and tradition, versus Wrathion being new and while getting things done, they dont follow 'traditional' thinking. It feels like they really went as polar opposite as they possibly could for the two characters despite having a common goal of uniting the Black Dragon Flight.
Sounds like the basis of all politics. Hell Nobbel may of not meant it but on thumbnail he imposed Sab over Trumps body and Wraith on Bidens similar philosophies. But ironically Trump was the new upstart originally against the old establishment so its kinda wonky. But interesting irl and in game
I think there is also the element of Wrathion having dedicated his entire life to fulfill the position of Earthwarden while Sabellian at the same time ensured the survival of the dragonflight and leading its remnants out of corruption, which included staying in outland out of action until it was safe to enter Azeroth again. Ultimately, both are experienced in one facet of being an aspect but fully inexperienced in the other.
Back when we were feeling pretty confident that the infinite flight would be the big bads of this expansion, I always thought that the biggest wrench that bliz could have thrown at us was have the infinites bring the pre corrupted Neltharion into the current time line. That would surely cause some drama. Not like you could hold him responsible for the crimes that he hasn’t committed. None of the other aspects would know what to do with him.
*Insert both Sabellian and Wrathion complaining about the infinites stealing the election in unison*
Sabellion as he has been part of the black dragons flight for way long and know his people more.
I got into this big lore discussion with a friend about this, and we both chose Sabellian because of the simple reason that Wrathion opted to slaughter his fellow black dragons rather than attempt to cleanse them, while Sabellian seemingly cleansed all of the black dragons with him in Outland. And, we also agreed that it should be Ebyssian since, of the three, he is the one who has never been corrupted and never acted out of malice or driven people to war in order to make them work together. So, had he been an option, I would have picked him, and I'm hoping that he gets to lead eventually.
The only problem i have with Ebonhorn or Ebyssian is that he's more Highland Tauren than Dragon, he was raised by Huln, has been advisor for the Highmountain Taurens for centuries, we want him to lead, but he was never around his kind at all, and the broken Islands adventures on showed an encounter with the green and the blue, but no other dragonflight, other than the 'Death of Chromie' arc.(Earned my Timelord title, yay), and Wrathion was largely absent since Pandari until now, so i'm also Sabellian.
Sabellian had a massive, massive advantage over everyone else when it came to the cleansing- he hid on outland where there were no old gods to continue whispering and pushing the corruption.
Even in the Fangs of the Father questline Wrathion's loyal lieutenant is driven mad by the whispers in short order. How could you expect Wrathion to be able to cleanse his flight when they were literally just sleeper agents waiting to be activated by their all seeing masters? You couldnt. But if you took them somewhere that their masters couldnt see, or couldnt reach, then you could.
They both did what was right for their circumstances.
The Baron deserves it. However ultimately hes going to be killed somehow then that will cause Wrathion to mellow out and be a good leader. Or something like that.
Yeah, probably gonna end up a raidboss
Sabellian, Wrathion is to blame for both Legion and BFA, hell even Shadowlands.
He wasn’t punished for it either, other than a punch from Anduin..
That's some stupid take, it's like blaming someone for WW2 because WW1 lead to it. Yeah, let's blame them and not the ones that actually did cause it.
@@_Lis25 Well he did throw the psycopath that is garrosh into Dreanor wich is directly the reason why WoD exist (let's not forget he did ally himself with the infinite dragon flight to do that). If he did not throw Gul'dan into our timeline himself, we can't deny that his past action are a part of why it did happen.
@Pompom PONPON if you applied this logic to yourself, you would be in prison long ago. You would be responsible for all the things that you did by accident without knowing about them and for all the distant consequences of these actions, for all the echoes that they caused.
Wrathion and Kairoz locked Garrosh in another world and another time. Garrosh shouldn't have even made it out to our timeline on his own. Kairoz is to blame for letting himself be killed, not even Wrathion. He wasn't there with Kairoz. And then we freed Guldan ourselves. We set him free with our own hands. How can you blame Wrathion after that. Then blame everyone for everything.
The heroes of Azeroth unleashed N'zoth and did more shit... by accident.
@@MsLola2013 nah it was Kairoz and him working together that caused the entire thing to spiral out of control..
We had to free Gul’dan and his minions, otherwise The Dark Portal on their side would not have no closed.
That was not a mistake by us but something we had to do reluctantly. In this case it was a the end justifies the means situation
I feel Blizzard would be crazy not to have Wrathion take up the mantle being as how this is what it's been leading up to and there would be a very big upset it it didn't come to be.
TBH I'd love it if Sabellian and Ebon horn became advisors to Wrathion so that he has more level headed/ more experienced beings help him become a great Aspect
It will be Wrathion for sure
Fool, the kin killer gets no support from black dragons, besides he only cares about himself,
Sabellian is the one who kept most of the black dragon save in outland when the rest is hidden from his murderous requests
only if the story around it sucks. a lot of people would like Ebonhorn to be the aspect and thinks it's by far the best choice. so if they made a great story and good cinematics leading up to such a ''crowning'' less people than you think would be angry. hell it even shows. there's a lot of support for sabellian too and he is such an old opscure character that i didn't even remember him and he is a lot less likeable than Ebonhorn thats for damn sure.. so if he can attract support well that just shows not everyone likes wrathion and well a lot of people even those who like his character don't think he is aspect material or atleast not as much as Sabellian or Ebonhorn. atleast not yet.
Top comment for sure. Wrathion has been built up to be the leader since cata when he was introduced. BFA really showed him in more of a leading role in terms of showing his cunning and strength. This xpack is looking incredible
@@Cincere212 leader of a mercenary you mean!?, he gets no black dragon to follow him because he kept killing when every he found one
I made my choise based on my Dracthyr's POV and may know sabellian and that my Dracthyr maybe a little in denial of such corruption of the black flight. As well thinking wrathion is just a winny welping clawing for something he is too young for.
Regardless of their strengths and flaws, when it comes down to it, Wrathion would struggle more to unite people. I doubt there would be much protest against Sabellion's claim to the throne in comparison and it would lead to less hassle in the long run.
Then again, this is Blizzard and forcing pointless conflict is kind of their thing.
Seeing as how Ebyssian is still alive and knowing Blizzard way of negotiating to avoid conflict, there is a chance he becomes the next leader instead of the other 2
Nah, he clearly said he has no desire to be the next leader, he just wants to be left alone supporting his flight. So even if we ask him he would say no.
@@sylphephilippe449 Thank you, lead writer for World of Warcraft!
@@sylphephilippe449 he might not want to lead, but like a wise man once said ''you and i, we dont get to hide''
I'd choose Ebyssian, but he's more of the advisor/diplomat type. Sabellian might be more leader material.
I choose Sabellian, Wrathion caused the Iron Horde and Legion Invasion.
Also he's immature. He runs to Alexstrasza and tries to pit the two against each other. He's also not that cool, like... bud you're like what 15? Sab's though survived a world shattering, the Legion, Orcs and Gron, while keeping his eggies safe. Boom. Sab for the win.
Same.
And dont forget legendary cloak in bfa with 15 levels to grind on all your characters, truly nefarious act
@@christianstout6390 Meanwhile, Wrathion in his short lifespan has been instrumental in the defeat of the Sha, prepared us to face the Legion (Even if it can by an accident he couldn't predict as he ain't a bronze dragon), saved Ebonhorn and was the key piece that allowed the defeat the N'zoth. All the meanwhile, none of the others dragons have tried to help him, or tried to imprison him and force upon him a role he did not feel ready for... People are quick to point out the issues of a character or a mistake they did (Even by unpredictable accident) and judge that instead of all the good they've actually done. At least Wrathion doesn't stand behind us in battle, but is right there besides the heroes on the front line, getting his hands dirty with them and those who follows him.
Sabellian did horrible things under the service of Deathwing. And the only 'Good' thing that he has done since TBC, is come back with a bunch of eggs... Other than that, he has done nothing to uphold the duties of the Black flight, and simply swoops in when the time is convenient for him to stage a coup.
At least Ebonhorn did something as well. Aided the Highmountain for centuries and protected their homes. He even aided ever so little with N'zoth AFTER he was saved by Wrathion...
Actions speak louder than words. And Wrathion, while young, impulsive and brash. Has been truthful with his intent since after the Sha. He has shown remorse for his mistakes and owned up to them and shown that he was willing to be openminded to ideas and extremely willing to do his part in safeguarding Azeroth and those that call it home. And his actions has shown that he is already damned capable of Leadership, tactics, and combat. Unpolished, yes. But he is only a teenager and a whelp. And that is damned impressive.
@@BlackMrMax This!
Wrathion for aspect
Wrathion: I sacrificed everything, what have you given?
Sabellian: I make babies so MY flight will thrive.
Ebonhorn: now now kids, let's not start another fight, we are almost there.
It is a really difficult choice to make. Wrathion fights for Azeroth and wants all the mortal races to be at peace with dragons and mostly his flight. He may have started an horrible war, but before that he saved Pandaria and he fought for what he thought was good until today. He doesn't care if he's weaker than any other Aspect. He's young and he fight and grow with all his strengh. He made mortals his family, which is good and bad at the same time, because he lived with mortals his whole life, he is not the most suited to be the Aspect of the Blacks because he doesn't know how to handle the charge. Meanwhile Sabellian is the savior of every non-corrupted Black dragon who followed him in Outland, he saved a big part of Outlanders in the story and did everything he could to save his flight despite everybody telling him it was useless cause too late. He finally saved them but at a price. He now distrusts mortals ! Unlike Wrathion, he would be a great Aspect but would lack the human love, he doesn't understand our needs, our fights etc. He's selfish in this way and would only be there if his flight is involved which would be bad for a good and balanced peace. Dragonflights must protect each others and he would be the first one to say "No" if his flight is at risk.
So : Wrathion has the knowledge but lack the power / capacity / maturity. Sabellian has the capacity / maturity / power, but lacks the knowledge and the comprehension. I think it would be best to have them both on the obsidian throne, or... Crown Sabellian and make Wrathion his councelor and adviser, cause he knows more about Azeroth and its people, he'll grow to be a good successor.
Edit : Wrathion is NOT Deathwing's direct sucessor btw. He's the son of Deathwing's daughter, Nyxondra, which is Onyxia's clutch sister. So Deathwing is his grandfather, which means that he's not the first in line. Sabellion is Deathwing's son, so he's the true heir !
Ultimately Wrathion has more accomplishments on his belt for the position of Earthwarden while Sabellion has everything going for him as the leader of the black dragonflight. Which is a nuanced split I think, both parties have accomplishments the other one lacks.
Honestly i'd prefer Ebyssian too, but seeing as he has been shelved again after Evoker starter story and how Wrathion is the fav child of Blizz i think we all know who it will be...
Ebonhorn for the Aspect. Calm, wise, tested, honorable, previous leader.
Sabellian IS the older brother, and a true son of Neltharion, while Wrathion is a more distant descendant. Sabellian's "claim" is stronger, but Wrathion WAS the one that ensured that the old gods were all dead before the Black Dragonflight could return to Azeroth.
Then again, Wrathion caused A LOT of colateral damage with his scheming, while Sabellian was a part of Deathwing's original corrupted flight.
If Sabellian continues to prove he is the more mature of the 2 "brothers," he will have my support (meaning I'm farming his rep more, but I'm farming Wrathion's rep on my demon hunter for the glaive xmog)
EDIT: Also, Wrathion feels like he only wanted the title of Aspect because he genuinely thought he was the only uncorrupted black dragon left, while Sabellion has proven he is ALL IN to not only rebuild his flight, but rejoin the other dragonflights to heal the wounds of the past. He's also a lot more patient than Wrathion, so...
The problem is actually exactly in this: Sabelian is too... shortsighted. Eventhou his followers say he cured them, this is just what they think. We already know how easily blinded we are by something someone says... *cleans her throat* Chronicles. I don't think they are cleansed at all.
@@CrescentRuby The corruption can still be cleansed and Wrathion has proven that it can be resisted, but that doesn't mean he should be the Aspect. It DOES mean he should share that knowledge with the rest of the black dragonflight to ensure the corruption is TRUELY cleansed and immunized against.
Sabellion = did what he was told, likely hadnt much of a choice tbh
Wrathion = tried to whipe out the horde, then tried to whipe out azeroth
Ebonhorn = just a shy cowboy
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Great job!
It's hard to argue against Wration, he's been our boy for a while. His entire story and purpose is to defend Azeroth, rebuild the black flight and become its aspect. Though I think it is currantly too early for him to become the aspect. I also kinda like the idea of Wration being his own thing, with his private army of the Blacktalons.
We need more time with this Sabellion for me to able to judge him really, hopefully he'll have an important role in a future patch where we can see him shine more.
Ebonhorn seems like the natural choice right now but I personally see him being the main advisor to the aspect rather than being the aspect himself.
Hopefully all of these will get some time to shine in this expansion and perhaps we might end on one of them being the new aspect.
Who in the black dragonflight would follow Wrathion ? They have been with Sabellian for years and they would have suddenly to obbey a 2year old ?
Its true that Sabellian will need more screen time going forward, though I think it speaks for Blizzard making some major steps forward in their story telling, that despite Wrathion being the by far more known and present character, people are actually backing Sabellian.
With Wrathion still being a whelp and being able to keep up with full size dragons, I think he could play a huge part in future content
I’m a Wrathion stan since Panda. Perfect himbo, just messing things up everywhere he goes. Let’s give him more power, we need stuff to do and we can guarantee he won’t let life get boring.
as good a reason as any I guess haha
One thing to consider is that Seballion was possibly able to break free of his possible corruption in his time in Outland, as the Old Gods had no presence on the planet. And perhaps it was our defeating N'Zoth that made it safe for him and his flight to return, leaving him free to return without the possibility of corruption. I wouldn't say he was doing nothing, as he was rebuilding the flight, but rather being cautious and protecting his people.
This is exactly what he was waiting for. But people don't care that Sabellian actually has to say a lot of thanks to Wrathion for everything he's done. It seems to be Sabellian's line - to do nothing but to take all the credit.
Ebyssian as aspect of the flight, but give the other two the option to stay as advisors/majordomo/heir. I think the experience Sebelian especially on how to survive is a strong trait, but Wrathion has more of a current network of connections and informants on Azeroth which is also useful. I feel the 3 together somehow is the best choice. On a sidenote it would be awesome to have an aspect that doesn't have an elf model.
I feel like it’ll be Wrathion with Ebonhorn as his advisor. Since ebonhorn spent 10,000 years guiding the leaders of high mountain it just fits for him to advise the leader of the black Dragonflight
Ebonhorn would be my choice too. The other two, the potential for betrayal, odd self-serving choices, etc., seems too high!
While Ebonhorn is a chill dude, realistically, he has done nothing for the Black dragon flight.
I think *Sabellian* is the clear winner here.
I would like to see more Wrathion teaming up with Ebonhorn though. They make a balanced team and can serve as the Dragonflight's representatives between the two factions.
Wrathion dropped me causing my death, when I was trying to help him restore his flight. So it's Sabellian all day long.
Sabellian, Wrathion is chaotic evil. Causing wars, like 4 wars total. (Mists, Dreanor, Gul'dan, and Legion). Also Wrathion killed black dragons, Sabellion even says he was able to free black dragons from the corruption.
How did he cause Guldan?
You know, I think this whole “choose who should be a better leader” seems like a great character development for wrathion, and I personally think it’ll be fruitful if he ends up being chosen while being guided by ebyssian and sabellian, so yeah I’m team wrathion all the way
While Ebyssian/Ebonhorn is the smartest choice you can see blizzard is definitely making Wrathion the new Earth Warder. Half the people that play the game nowadays weren't there for TBC and don't know Sabellion, but Wrathion has had a decent role in 3 prior expansions, allowing people to get to know him and his lore.
The deciding factor for this choice is information that Blizzard haven't laid out cleanly for us: the exact nature of the Black Dragonflight's insanity, their points of weakness and how vulnerable they still might be.
Sabellian and the rest of the Outland crew have not been tested against the influence of the Old Gods in several decades- they only returned when the main perpetrator of Deathwing's madness (N'Zoth) was not only dead but had his physical body eradicated from Azeroth. While we know that the Old Gods can share projects (Emerald Nightmare started with Yogg-Saron through Andrassil but was handed over to N'Zoth) we don't know the specifics involved when both the contractor (N'Zoth) and the client (Deathwing) are dead. Would an Old God have to start over from scratch at corrupting the new Earth Aspect? Depending on the exact nature, appointing Sabellian as the new Aspect might as well be signing his death warrant.
Wrathion, however, we know is safe. He plunged deep into Ny'alotha and fared far better against the corruption and madness than even us, the players. Ebyssian is safe as well, but it's pretty clear he doesn't want the role, and is willing to follow his little brother.
Ebyssian was temporarily corrupted in BfA, he's not completely safe.
@@Aetherian1 I think he's safe now however, with his original Hammer of Khaz'goroth purification and the additional treatment administered by Wrathion.
While I personally like sabellion more, I mainly support him because narratively I want to see wrathion get pushed even further. All of the foes he has faced before have been external forces but him needing to face one of his own for the throne is a genuinely interesting narrative that im excited for.
In all honesty both are very likely good candidates for the role of Aspect with both possessing equal parts strength and weaknesses in regards to the factors of what the role of an Aspect would demand, the duty to protect and lead their flight and ensure their survival, and finally ensuring that Azeroth is protected in the end I am very interested in seeing how this plays out but I really hope their banter continues as I feel as it'll help both of em in the long haul on the road of the DragonFlight.
I agree, but while Wrathion makes a good protector of Azeroth, he makes a poor Aspect, meanwhile Sabellian makes a poor protector of Azeroth for obvious reasons, but a great Aspect.
@@sylphephilippe449 Well put. I like them both and could see anyone of the three on the seat. Would be cool to see Wrathion get it, and have Sabel and Ebonhorn as advisors. Or would be cool to see Sabel get it and Wrathion get pissed and plan some sort of revenge for the throne. Either way, I enjoy their interactions with one another and hope they can somehow work together. Cheers
@@sylphephilippe449 I would argue that a good Aspect is somebody who can embody both, his role among the five aspects as well as a leader to his own flight. Wrathion has worked all of his life to be the Earthwarden while Sabellian was dedicated himself into being the superior leader for his flight.
I think Sebellian is 100% a double-agent. I can't see why he'd suddenly, magically, be able to purify the dragons of their corruption, and Alexstraza even calls him out on this in the Life-Pools. Wrathion isn't the best, but he is pure, and his intentions are true. We don't know why Sebellian even wants the title of Aspect.
I think Sabellian did more for the black dragon flight itself even if he has less screen time (he gathered all surviving ones and helped them live with their corruption instead of just killing them and gave them a future and second chance even when Alextraza didnt - because she fears she was to soft in the past). Warathion instead focust on saving azeroth at all cost and the victims didnt matter to him (the current black dragon flight itself didnt matter to him - because he thinks killing is the only choice - and to be honest Alexstraza wont be able to decide who the next aspect will be). Maybe because I am a hord player I dont see him as an proper aspect (at least Sabellian can blame the old gods for the shit he did, but Warathion did very shady things by his own choice and will in future). Currently we dont know if Sabellian is actually cured or just learned how to supress the corruption - at know we can only suspect... . Yes both are not optimal candidates but maybe they can rule together to balance out things the other dont have/consider. I think we wont really decide whos gonna be next, Blizz will probably decide during story arc by themself (and honestly Warathion got the better model from Blizz and I think they will make him the next). At least I will pick both for the rewards.
Yeah but considering they are supposed to be Azeroth's defenders (meaning their purpose is literally to put their lives/flight on the line) Sab seems to not follow that and imo seems more like a selfish being in that respect. He is worried about his flight and its power before his duty, which is not what an aspect should do.
As a reference to putting personal matters over duty when it comes to the aspects, look at Nozdormu becoming Murozond because he believed his own life was just that important to avoid a pseudo end-time. Obviously he realized putting that before his duty was wrong bc shit ended up fuckin things up becoming our villain, so he put an end to his future self for that reason - this is why I side with Wrathion because they have that same mindset now, doing what needs to be done by keeping your oath above all else.
Of course, Sabellina can rule his flight in Outland. He did nothing for Azeroth. So please, let him be whoever he wants, but not on Azeroth.
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Well let's ask ourselves a question: who helped Garrosh escape into an alternative Draenor, resulting in alt Guldan who kickstarted the largest Legion invasion (one thing that a certain SOMEONE also tried to prevent helping Garrosh escape mind you) which in turn resulted in the big Alliance/Horde war, burned down Teldrassil along with countless kaldorei and almost ended with an Old God taking over the entire planet?
...yeah my vote is for Sabellian.
Let's be honest, Sabellian is going to die saving wrathion which will teach him some sort of lesson. Ebyssian/Ebonhorn will end up being Wrathions advisor or actually doing the job until wrathion is ready for it.
I’m with Sabellion simply because I love his facial hair and eyes. Definitely want to cosplay him one day.
You should never be allowed to vote.
@@JulianaBlewett Did you really expect a serious opinion out of someone who is based off of a Silver Hand Recruit?
I do love that this is a genuine choice. Wrathion has heart and Charisma, but lacks "maturity" (to put it nicely). Sabellion has experience and followers, but is uncomfortably connected to the flight's dark legacy. Ebonhorn, the wisest and best tempremented of the group, lacks the ambition to even get in the race.
I'm supporting Sabellion first because I remembered doing his quests and was speculating if he would make an appearance before he was announced, and I feel vindicated that Blizzard remembered he even exists.
Wrathion: I defeated Garrosh
Sabellian: Wrong
W: And I defeated the Burning Legion
S: Wrong
W: And I defeated N'Zoth
S: Wrong
W: WOULD YOU SHUT UP, MAN?
S: covfefe
Ah thanks for Ebenhorn, I wondered where he was I want him to be the aspect as well.
Wrathion, despite his natural charisma has:
-Caused the Iron Horde and Third Invasion of the Legion
-Nearly made his own flight extinct
-Succumbed to the will of the old gods like his father, Deathwing, who caused the Cataclysm
-Has proven to be unpredictable and uncontrollable
-Extremely young and lacking of thousands of years of experience WHICH Seballian has.
I wonder.
Agree on all account except…..
When did he succumbed to the old gods exactly ?
If you mean in Ny’Alotha then that was an illusion on us as he clearly fine and the fog clear when the fight end
@Mr.BeeLightning Wrathion is actively afraid of the Old Gods influence, he has visions outside of Nyalotha and acknowledged it's a liability.
He has an opportunity to prove his maturity by seeking help from Sabellian, once he has been cleansed he has potential as an Aspect
Except Wrathion did everything he did for Azeroth even though a lot of it was rash and had its own problems. Sabelian did f-all for Azeroth, ran to Outland and sat in a cave for years, just to show up now. The aspect is supposed to be the Earthwarden, not just the leader of a bunch of same-colored dragons.
@@saverna1 weren't he cleansed of the old gods influence ever since he was still an egg ? and by a titan artifact no less
unless he was a sleeper agent sent by N'zoth all along I don't see how he would had these vision
@Mr.BeeLightning Rheastraz bred him to be uncorrupted, and he appears so until we get his POV chapters in books and short stories. He's stuggling with nightmares and visions more frequently, and our quests with him in cata and bfa involved procuring protection from old god influence. IMO Wrathion could use some help from Ebyssian and Sabellian to either put his mind at ease or cleanse him of a taint he is unaware of so far.
Based on just the Waking Shores quests, Sabellion is gigachad black dragon daddy xD
Sabellian is not corrupted- at least, not anymore
They mention that wrathion chose to kill the others rather than "help the afflicted" and how sabellian saved them from madness
In Wrathion's defense, he wasn't even a year old when he went on his genocide run of his entire flight. In hindsight though, yeah it wasn't the best call.
Because Wrathion would do anything to protect azeroth like a REAL Black Aspect while Sabellian ranaway and hid in Outlands
You also killed black dragons because they were corrupted. Wrathion was 0 years old during the Cataclysm, black dragons threatened him (Fahrad heard voices and they were unhappy with Wrathion), Deathwing, who served all the black dragons, personally tried to destroy Wrathion's egg (but these were Rhea's eggs). For the newborn Wrathion it was a kill-or-be-killed situation. And even realizing this, he regrets it. But you still put a newborn whelp in reproach.
Wrathion is the only one who found a cure for corruption after Cataclysm. The only one who decided to save the black dragons when he had this knowledge.The Red Dragons were also working on a cure, but for some reason did not continue this work.
The rest of the world has been slaying black dragons throughout history. Without a twinge of conscience. Including players. How can you blame Wrathion for what you yourself did and did not repent? Why didn't you save the black dragonflight?
@@MsLola2013 Funny how people give Wrathion shit for putting hits on his own flight back in Cataclysm. As you said, it was a do-or-die situation since the other blacks were trying to kill him just for existing. Sure, in hindsight, it wasn't exactly the best call on Wrathion's end since it does hurt his chances with winning over Sabellion's group, but Wrathion wasn't even a year old when he did that. And of course, the mortal races are also the reason why the black dragons are so few in number. Heck, in the Second War, the ALLIANCE actively destroyed black dragon eggs, mainly for the reason you mentioned.
They also don't mention that Wrathion's the reason why Ebyssian didn't fall victim to the Old Gods back in Bfa because he found a cure. Heck, he even went so far as to have his Blacktalon agents keep tabs on Ebyssian just in case the Old Gods made a move on him.
You called it. I was thinking along sinilar lines. Both these 2 wanted the role a bit too much and both had a sketchy past to escape. This was one of the better done lore parts of recent years by Blizzard.
Can't really give Sabellion that much flack for being absent all these years when the writers forget he even existed until now.
we constantly reminded the boards at WoW about Sabellian, but remember in Cataclysm, there was a call to eradicate the entire dragon flight as the quest line arc in Twilight Highlands, so Sabellian went into hiding in Blade's Edge mountains with his flight until Alexstrasza offered amnesty, try to remember who set Raszegath loose, it was Wrathion.
@@jordanvalencia9597 that doesn't fit the vid, her followers let her out, he investigated a disturbance and she kicked his butt.
Having a Twin Aspect situation would be cool for them to offset eachother and play to both their strengths.
Sabellian has a far greater claim. He established the dragon flight in outlands. He HELPED his afflicted kin. All wrathion did was kill off his family, start a war, invite the legion to invade by “mistake”. The mortal champions have been harmed by the black dragon flight but outside of ebonhorn, sabellian aids you in outlands against gruul.
Indeed, I find it hard to believe that there's people supporting Wrathion.
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I'm like a few others that would prefer Ebyssian/Elkhorn over Sabellian or Wrathion
Your not alone, so would I
Ebyssian is simply beat choice. He's wish, humble, doesn't seek power, is a great teacher, and shows compassion as well as strength.
Sabellian , he didnt try to disband the horde by force.
Wrathion, because he tried to disband the horde by force
@@Firefly11O3Sabellian because he didn’t indirectly invade Azeroth
"Wrathion had visions that the legion was going to invade Azeroth" Yeah because of YOU Wrathion!! You brought Guldan into our time line who ushered in the legion!
And you released Guldan personally. Go and do whatever you want. Don't you dare make excuses- it's your fault. lol
@@MsLola2013 We would have nevermet Guldan if it weren't for wrathion though
Black Talon PR agent: Thats SNN ( Sabellian News Network) Fake News!
Sebellian. All the way. He is better for the flight and as a classic only andy I give more of a shit about him than Wrathion + he looks cooler and his voice is sexier.
In either case, what I hope for, regardless of who becomes the aspect, I just want the two of them to work together and for Sebellian to not end up as an envious antagonist, or get killed shortly after his introduction.
Sabellian, it's not even a contest. He beats out Wrathion in experience, leadership skills, he has the loyalty of the remnants of the Black Flight, which he saved from corruption.. whereas Wrathion had them killed, including the black dragon who was loyal to him..
Sabellian is older as well, and likely a direct descendant of Neltharion, so he wins out by hereditary rights too.
He seems to be far more intelligent, patient and calculating too, setting up and executing careful plans, rather than being impulsive, arrogant and reckless like Wrathion.
Though ultimately, if there is going to be a new aspect, I find it unlikely that blizz will take Sabellian for the role.. he's too obscure of a character for that, whereas Wrathion is a bit of a fan-favorite.
I predict that after competing for a long time, something will happen that has Sabellian sacrifice himself to save Wrathion and the others, and then he endorses Wrathion becoming the new leader.
If i were to choose between the two
i would say Seballian. Yes he is from deathwing gang and do alot of shaddy and dark history before.
Keep in mind he is the only one who's keeping the black dragonflight from near extinction and also for the dragons who were raised by seballian are literally loyal to him alone. For them they vuew Seballian as a father figure and a leader but not as a aspect.
He is sort of wise and mature.
He isn't Black Aspect material he was hiding in Outlands till all the work was done and who was doing that work since he Hatched? Wrathion.
I gotta agree with our friend here. Wrathion is so young, but has put his ass on the line time and time again for the betterment of Azeroth. I actually really like Sebal but I just couldn’t imagine Wrathion not becoming Aspect. Cheers!
@@angelo14leo If he wasn't "hiding in Outland", he would have been dead with entire black dragonflight, excluding Wrathion and Ebonhorn - either due to corruption and following Deathwing until their demise (at least now it seems corruption is weakened or gone) or murdered by Wrathion, who, let's not forget, basically wiped out all remaining black dragons on Azeroth.
Honestly, the biggest achievement of Wrathion is helping us with N'zoth (and killing remaining black dragons if you really want to count that in). Before then he caused entire Garrosh ordeal and Legion invasion while hiding from consequences.
While Wrathion may be better choice for Azeroth (even if his attempts of saving it go south, he at least tries), Sabellian is better choice for his entire dragonflight. He ensured their survival, regardless of sceptical past and he is like father to them. Wrathion to other black dragons is literally a murderer who hadn't attempted saving those touched by Deathwing's madness.
@@hegvullet's just say what if Sebalian is dead along with the rest of the black dragonflight because of "not hiding in Outland" but instead active. Assuming they have a big role and assuming their flight gone thanos snap. Then who the fk is gonna repopulate the black dragonflight since the only male black dragonflight are ebenhorn, Wrathion and Sebalian. We don't even know who will be black dragonflight mate if we assume Sebalian and the remaining black dragonflight are gone.
As a horde I ended up backing up Sebellian but my alliance backs up Wrathian. But I do like Ebonhorn as the true new aspect would be fun.
I think it has already been decided that Wrathion is going to be the new Aspect. They have made a big show of reactivating the oath stones to the point I have gone so far in the main story.
So far the people who we know are probably going to be the Dragon Aspects (unless something changes later) are the ones who activated their respective oath stones, those being Alexstrasza, Merithra and Kalecgos (at the point I have gotten in the main story). Meanwhile Sabellian didn't activate the Black's Oath Stone, he didn't make a oath he was too focused on the symbol of power (the throne at the top of the Obsidian Sanctum) letting Wrathion and the Champions rebuild the Oath Stone and for some reason letting Wrathion take the Oath that reactivates it uncontested.
Most of that is speculation but until we know more I would bet wholeheartedly that Wrathion is going to be the next Black Dragon Aspect.
omg when doing this I thought, man I hope Nobbel does a detailed video on the lore, cons, and pros of both . Thanks man!~
Should definitely be Ebonhorn really!
My vote is the same. When I did the quest, my mind went to "Can I vote for Ebonhorn?". But agreed with the same reasoning of yours. Nice to see I'm not alone on that way of thinking.
Would be cool if wow pulled the numbers and made story lines off of what we most picked.
Considering that they make you pick and then just give you quests for both of them anyway, I'm thinking that they might actually be doing that already
I really like the idea of Ebonhorn being the new Aspect of the Black dragonflight. It makes quite a bit of narrative sense, as lets be honest, Blizzard love leaning into tropes and Ebonhorn fits into two quite well established "hero" tropes. The first expressed in the saying "Where two are fighting, a third one wins" (in regards to Sabellian and Wrathion bickering over "their" throne) and the second being "The best leaders are those who don't want to lead" (be that true or false is irrelevant, it is a well-known trope, the unwilling heir to the crown, someone who steps up by necessity, think Simba from "The Lion King" or Aragorn in "The Lord of the Rings"). Basically a worthy/good/noble character that is shying away from their true purpose until the situation/time calls for them (which could be the case with Sabel vs Wrathion reaching a tipping point and Ebonhorn being the solution to said conflict).
P.S. That, and bonus points for some tauren lore pay off as their culture worships the Earthmother and with Ebonhorn being crowned Aspect they will basically have the custodian of the Earth be "one of them" (seeing as Ebonhorn spent thousands of years living among tauren, upholding their traditions and respecting their culture).
Sabellion no contest man actually SAVED his flight while wrathion killed all those he came in contact with except ebysian
Wrathion caused us so much annoyance and dipped out for 2 xpacs knowing there w would be a target on his back, the worst part about why you shouldn’t choose wrathion
He calls you champion instead of using your name, after all the bs he’s made us endure it’s clear you’re just a champion a person who can be sent to do stuff for him instead of a person, your pc
it seems like scenarists have chosen Wrathion so i choose Sabwayllian. Even their first meeting has special structure of dialoge so a player did not realize that Subsribellian is DW's son. Wrath of the Ion is just a whelp, purifiyed by a titan's toy
While Sabelian might have done more for his flight, Wrathion always did everything for Azeroth (even if it didn't turn out the way he envisioned) which is what a real earthwarden's task is. Sabelian ran to Outland instead.
Wrathion had the luxury of a red dragon Rhea curing his Egg Sabellion HAD to go to Outland to avoid the corruption.
@@JswahSwitch He didn't go to Outland to avoid the corruption, he found himself there by following the corruption itself in the form of Deathwing, he was his leutenant and went there to support him and got abandoned when Deathwing escaped back to Azeroth.
I agree Ebonhorn seems to have a good head on his shoulders and isn’t nearly as dubious in nature as the options we got
Wrathion has caused more problems for us than he’s solved
Sabellian actually has a flight
I choose sab
I think Wrathion should go lone wolf like Batman. There's even a good Batman quote, when the Justice League asked Batman to join he said: "Sorry, I'm more of a part-timer"
I rescued wrathion when he was in an egg so I gotta support my boy
Stupid, sexy Wrathion gets my vote. Wrathion's previous blunders were well intentioned but fell apart due to lack of experience. He was, and still is, young and at the time didn't seem to be very good at reasoning about what people will do, but would still build reckless plans that relied on those assumptions of behavior. Of course, Varian wouldn't wipe out the horde, and of course, Garrosh wouldn't rise to protect Azeroth. But Wrathion didn't see those things. However, I think a little bit of time has worked out some of those problems for him. As Nobbel pointed out, he did figure out how to defeat N'Zoth (so far as we can tell at least) and that's commendable. He built a plan that relied on people doing what they were likely to do and in the end, it worked out. Maybe it's a fluke, but to me it looks like growth.
Sabellian...idk, he's got boomer vibes to me. Probably complains about the good ol' days.
Sabellian. Wrathion is a war criminal. But my heart wants Ebonhorn. Though one should remember the pressure that Neltharion went though being the Earth Warden, he eventually went mad (With the help of the old gods) but still, it seems like a huge burden.
Hopefully we can all get into the lore once again, looks like a great start so far
Honestly wrathion is an entitled brat. He thinks he knows best, but so far just failed and Made things worse and it doesnt seem like he learned from his mistakes. Sabellion sure could be corrupted like deathwing. But i dont Think the Argument can be Made he did nothing this whole time. Like what should he have done, come to save the Horde and alliance? One of which he was at war just before? He had smth more important to do. Preserving his kind. He wasnt the Warden he hadnt any obligation nor any reason to help. If u Think about it wrathion only wants to preserve his Kind for himself or atleast it feels like it. Hes more interested on being the earth warden. If u want a good earth warden wrathion, but if u want a leader for the Black dragons sabellion. And ebonhorn is both lol.
Of the two I have to say Sebellian. The reasons being he protected his flight in a harsh world, claimed to have cleansed the Old God corruption, and answered the call of the isle. Some may say that he hid in Outland all this time but I look at it as keeping his flight away from the Old Gods, they can't get their tentacles on them all the way over there. So he waited for that threat to be "delt with" before feeling it safe to bring his people home.
I seriously want it to be sabellian to become the next aspect for 2 reasons 1. I love sabellian 2. I like watching sabellian and wraithian argue and unforseen 3. I'm worried sabellian will go evil crazy if he isn't made aspect
Even worse though, he could go evil crazy if he IS the aspect.
but do we have a confirmation about Sabellian being free from corruption? I mean I didn't even hear Sebalian saying that he freed himself, and even less about how he freed himself. Or he's playing nice (like Deathwing and Onyxia were playing nice with the human, waiting for their moment to exécute their plan)?
I mean Deathwing even after his fall, was able to present himself as sane, he was able to convince the aspect to power up the dragon's soul. He was able to infiltrate Lordearon as Daval Prestor.
Even Onyxia was able to use the SAME name to infiltrate Lordearon once again...
So do we have any proof that Sabellian is free of corruption? can we bring him to MOTHER or something to test him? make sure he's not "playing nice" as Deathwing and Onyxia did so masterfully? We were able to check Wrathion to make sure he was free, and we go so much more titan knowledge now, we can probably check Sabellian out. let's remembered, Black Dragons are master manipulators
Sabellian's followers state he has healed them of corruption and Wrathion could probably detect if he was corrupt. The fact that he doesn't mention it as a possibility might indicate that Sabellian indeed succeded.