I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but the reason we don't take plaster casts of footprints anymore is because we found out the plaster would expand and make people think the foot was larger then it really was. So that could have been his footprint.
It was a cute story actually, me being a snake lover I know that snake probably found something warm to sleep on and the kid didn't find it very cuddly Lol
I'll fully admit the thought of a bear running on it's heind legs absolutely terrifies me. Like the shock of a 7 foot tall animal whole ass lineback running at you is scary
this was the first 411 case I heard about. After that I binged on them.regards to the bear running on 2 legs, that immediately made me think of a man in a ghillie suit, something the green berets would be very familiar with
I love this style of video. I am not a fan of livestreams or anything like that, so I always love watching these videos! Binged every Missing 411 video you have so far, can't wait for more! Also, love the intros!
Dude, I think the nature center at your camp lied. It was probably a copperhead, and they didn't want to cause a panic. "Oh yeah that snake! That's the not-copperhead... You boys should be fine..."
Just wanted to say there are several snakes in the Smokies that look like copperheads but aren't. The only way in the South to know for sure and you learn this as a small child, if the head is round you are ok. If the head is a triangle it is a Viper and slowly back away. We don't have weird snakes like Australia where everything tries killing you......Second thought what's up with everything trying to kill you in Australia 😂
And what evidence do you have that makes you think the nature center lied? While yes there are copperheads around it's not like they make their presence known all that often I'm 33 years old and have more or less lived in the woods my whole life and do you want to know how many copperheads I have seen, two that's right two copperheads my whole life, a copperhead is very distinct while if you have never actually seen a copperhead there are other snakes that could trick you and make you think that it is a copperhead
There are snakes that look similar to copperheads, especiallyif you're panicking- I came across a corn snake in my house that I swore was a copperhead.
My grandfather was part of the Green Beret's around this time. I'm really tempted to ask him of he knows anything. He wouldn't be allowed to tell me, om sure, but now I'm incredibly curious.
@@animalhalo5984 If his grandfather tells him that's one thing, but it would be illegal or even dangerous for him to say what was said here, if his grandfather is still bound by an NDA.
Screw em: neither a missing kid nor bigfoot are matters of national security within the ambit of that NDA. Use your head and srop kowtowing to arbitrary authority when you don't need to.
I figure that the reason they take the psychic's tip is because it could be entirely possible that someone knows something or has heard something, and is trying to present truth or theory it in a way that doesn't connect them/implicate them, so they send it in under the guise of being a "vision" or "a dream", and those in charge would know this and take the tip is if it were the truth. Remember that they have to take every possible lead. If it turns out that they didn't, and it turns out the boy really was there, that inaction and responsibility would fall on their shoulders. So I don't necessarily think they believe the psychic, just that they think she could somehow know something and this is her way of passing on, anonymously or not.
this is exactly what it is and i'm surprised he didn't say so. you have to investigate tips like this when someone calls up and says "his body can be found here" because there's every possibility its someone confessing and disguising that confession as something else. if they hadn't looked into it and it turned out to later be true...
Ginsang is legal to harvest in Tennessee, unless you do not have permission by the landowner to be on their land, but there are specific seasons for harvesting the roots. This is to prevent ginsang from becoming extinct. You have to let it come to seed and replant the seeds for the root you take. (I looked it up. My dad hunts "sang" in Pennsylvania and you can only harvest here during certain months.)
Your post is interesting. What I don't understand is why the man said he did not come forward because of hunting the "sang". All he had to say is that he (like so many other people in the area or out in nature), was just out on a hike. His story does not ring true and he may be a person who wanted credit or attention and didn't have real information.
@@girlgamergear3260 I get what you are saying. Yet, he didn't have to state that he was harvesting or looking for ginseng. He could have easily said he was hiking and then had the bones be found. Even if he was afraid of his actions, the authorities probably would not have cared if it led to the remains of a missing person. I don't believe him or his excuse.
@@girlgamergear3260 Also, people are weird for wanting to interject themselves into a popular or important case. It has happened so many times and it is strange and hard to comprehend.
The reason he knew he would be prosecuted is because he was hunting it on the national park land which you are not allowed to hunt for anything on state or national Park land, also you can harvest ginseng anytime throughout the year but you can only sell or buy it from September 1st to December 1st
I'm very interested in these missing cases specifically involving people who went missing in a short period of time around the presence of others who knew them. The elements of swiftness and familiarity make those cases seem very similar to how easy it is to 'lose' something the moment you drop it on the floor. Most of the time, we find it again but we retain a huge fear and impulse reaction to catch things before they hit the ground because it's like we instinctually know that once it hits the ground there's a good chance we will never see it again.. and that chance seems irrationally big
@AdrienneMint Not true. That video showed that the "wildman" theory is bunk. Mr. Key never said he saw that. He said he heard a scream at some point, then a while later a disheveled man came hurrying out of the woods and sped off in a car. Mr. Martin says that Mr. Key saw a wildman, and he's welcome to think what he wants because he's grieving, but the audio of Mr. Key doesn't lie.
@@JoeMac1983 there were still things redacted, and the FBI only releases what they want you to see. The FBI report doesn’t reveal a damn thing. You’re really going to trust them?
@@JoeMac1983 source? Because I could have sworn that the news refused to take his report seriously and didn’t mention it in the paper. Mr. Key believed his information was important and had to find Mr. Martin himself to tell him his account.
As a Veteran, The SF detachment intrigues me. It was a different era for sure, but it’s very very obscure. Special forces soldiers are just regular men, they have family’s and are fathers. Hearing a father was missing his son, and then having the skills and resources to search, they may have just decided to assist in the search and use it as an excuse for training. But that being said, it’s a very very strange call for their command to allow this to go on for so long. I’ve heard the Bob Gimlin version of this story as well and that whole part is what sticks out to me. Some research into this avenue needs to be done. I have a resource for this if any info can be found. If I find anything new I’ll come back here and post. And send an update if there is one to The Lore Lodge.
the Green Berets were said to be newer so it could easily have been a viable chance to train how to locate people. not only for search and rescue but for searching people who would not have wanted to be found. it could also be used to practice group operations and communication across a large area. they might have thought the search wouldn't take long so they just sent whoever was closest. when it continued they decided to send more people to get more training in.
There are similar stories about El Yunque National Park in Puerto Rico, the place is home to unexplained missing person cases, including the disappearance of a party of four college kids, & stories of folks encountering military personnel ordering folks off of particular trails. In one particularly sad case, two kids that were trailing behind their parents just disappeared-no report of strange noises, no sightings of strange people or weird creatures as possible culprit.
Aiden, I used to have a wanted poster for Dennis Martin, as I said earlier, I was 11 when he disappeared, I kept that poster on my wall until I was 17 and ran away from home, sometimes I would think about him and just cry, thinking about my own brother going missing.
Here's a few other details I read earlier -* Dennis was sent to hide further away by the kids because he wore a conspicuous red t shirt which was hard to hide * A man in a light colored car was seen by a witness below the location at the field, leaving the area. * More recently a skull was found at a further away remote location, never searched, long buried in layers of leaf litter. by the (illegal) herb hunter who wished to be anonymous. This might combine with the hypothesis that the man in the car, described as middle aged, abducted him ( say by offering him a ride back to his folks), s-a'd him, (or intended to) and then killed him or dumped him in a place from which he did not know how to return, and/or died of exposure. Also, David Paulides said Dennis's father said a ranger approached him to tell him some things, such as that an official in charge of investigations at a range of parks told him that searching for the "man or bear" seen by ther visitors at that time would not be done because it was too far away (it was not, suggesting a cover up). (Incidentally perhaps, this official later committed suicide. ) And that there were said to be feral fur wearing humans who lived not far from there and when confronted by him/other rangers had threatened them with a knife.
It's not that it's illegal to hunt ginseng in Tennessee it's just that it's illegal to hunt for anything within the boundaries of a state or national Park
Yeah, over 60 green barrettes in a forest Looking for a missing kid They go silent In an area where they found foot prints. Absolutely nothing suspicious about that.
New member here from Tennessee but know a bit about the Matin case.Question… there were reports the Special forces had weapons. One of The Lore Lodge competitors deny the Green Berets had weapons. During your research, did you bump into anything about weapons? Thanks!
I don’t recall reading anything about them having weapons during the search, but they do go totally dark for a few days before leaving in the reports I found. Basically the footprint is found and then we don’t hear about them till they leave. Odd, but not damning.
Honestly the green berets being involved and calling more and more in just sounds like army bullshit. “Oh you didn’t find him? Bring more in. We are supposed to be the best.” Some uppity officer just kept throwing dudes at it for whatever reason. Right up their alley. Army does dumb shit
Grew up in the Upstate of SC, my grandfather used to tell me of the Wompus Cat, a large cat like creature that kinda reminds me of a werewolf but a cat. Said that his father told them of the stories back in the 1930's when my grandfather was growing up. Apparently people in NC, SC and GA blamed this creature for a string of livestock attacks and that the kids were not allowed out after dark. The ending of the witnesses seeing something running with something slung over its shoulder brought that story to mind.
I grew up in a small town on the Gulf Coast of Alabama. I grew up hearing stories about the Wompus. As I got older I assumed it was a Mountain Lion or Moutain Lion subspecies i.e the Florida Panther.
My first thought was mountain lion I can not overestimate how well they camouflage and how talented they are at stalking so them not seeing anything happen might makes sense also him being the last person is a lion MO they also go straight for the neck hence no scream lastly they take the prey back to the den making it hard to find him........ only I didn't know they don't have mountain lions could have been a bobcat.
Went on a cryptid binge a few weeks ago while recovering from a snowboarding injury, found this channel and I've been hooked since. What you guys do is great, keep it up!
Really enjoying the series, Have to say I agree with you about the weirdness of the sighting of the bear running on two legs. Especially after finding the barefoot next to the shoe print at the creek.
I would like to say that it is not uncommon for green beret teams to come and get involved with searches or other civilian operations and I think it is possible a SF team herd of the situation with Dennis Martin and came out to yes, help find him, but to also keep there tracking skills sharp and saw this as a good way to do so.
For him to not make any sound, while in such close proximity to his dad, something would have had to snap his neck, but also remain undetected which is what makes this all the more unexplainable because his brother would have been beside him and either not noticed, or he was taken after his brother left cover
To explain why one is in the woods looking for Ginseng: Ginseng is harvested for the root and bc a LOT of money can be made on it the authorities try to prevent others from going on private properties to look/steal it. It can sell for $500-1,000 per pound, and that is the low end so you can see why people would be out digging in the woods. It's not easy to find, and they specifically want the root so that makes it harder. Also, Gensing is in high demand for energy drinks, teas etc, and an even greater demand in China/Asia so there is a huge market.
As a mom, this case absolutely breaks my heart and every time i hear this babys name, i just have this overwhelming need to hug my babies. I can not imagine how hard this was on his father. Especially knowing he was right there and doing everything right and something terrible still happened. I hope that father knows that this wasnt his fault, that he did everything he could have possibly done, and he has found some kind of peace (whatever little bit of peace a parent can get after something like this.) He's forever in my prayers and this baby will never be forgotten. He did everything he could possibly do, and although he didnt get his son back, he will be remembered by so many people because his fathers perseverance in looking for him, and the love he clearly had for his son. With cases like this, there really is no right way to bring any sort of comfort to the families besides keeping them in our prayers.
There was nothing odd about the Green Berets getting involved. The NPS files confirm they were invited in. They set up comms and worked alongside other search units. The Green Berets simply had no need to chat with the Rangers as there was an established, simplified, and agreed chain of comms the Green Berets would use through a military liaison team within the Air National Guard local air base - who were co-ordinating all military aspects of the search with the National Park Service Rangers. To quote from the NPS file: "Ranger Myers also contacted U.S. Forest: Service District Ranger on the Nantahala, who in turn made contact with Col. Kinney, commanding the Special Forces troops in that area. Col. Kinney requested and obtained permission from the Third Army Headquarters at Ft. Benning, Georgia, to transfer 40 Special Forces to the search area." The Dennis Martin case is one of the most studied in all of SAR history and is used as a case-study in 'what not to do' - so many gaps and flaws were found in the aftermath of the incident that it's used to train SAR people. :/ The reason the searchers reacted to the psychic (one of dozens of such predictions) was that the Martin family were strong believers in the paranormal, and the search teams wished to reassure and indulge them to show all was being done to locate their missing child. The FBI also checked into many of the people who offered predictions...just in case they were really trying to allude to a kidnapping, etc. Hundreds of searchers were deployed. Most of them badly trained, or not trained at all. They had little co-ordination, and bad weather hampered much of the searching. The storms the night of his disappearance also made rivers and streams really dangerous. The searchers tried to be comprehensive, but the weather and inadequate skills were against a successful outcome from the start. :/ There's a good chance his body was overlooked by searchers, or perhaps he even hid from searchers unfamiliar to him. But poor Dennis just wasn't prepared for a cold night lost in the forest in a thunderstorm.
@@MrAtomicBulldog they are first all about training...there were 400-500 Army personnel only 20mi away in the field..training..Rangers asked the Military for asisstance..40 Green..very green...berets were sent..perfect training for map reading,land navigation,field craft..nothing about 'locate-eliminate for a search for a 6yr old
@@getoffenit7827 The timing is highly curious, and the excuse would have always been 'they were training'. How many times have they trained at the same place since 1969? I'm betting not even once.
@@MrAtomicBulldog that area has been a training location since WW2 and its still used today by the Army...and the Dennis Martin case isnt the only time Green Berets or Army troops were asked to help with search and rescue.Do research before doing assumptions and guesses
@@getoffenit7827 Friend, then I appear to be wrong. I stand corrected. I am still suspicious of the timing in June 1969 but I may well be wrong. Thank you for the gentle correction. I tip my hat to you.
This was interesting to say the least. There are at least three things that tick some classic 411 cases; slightly handicapped, missing from a group of people, bad weather hampering the search, and traces (foot and shoe print) found far from original site. The Green Berets have shown up for a few 411s, as has the FBI. Sometimes, I think the government set up the National Park service as preserves for someone, or thing, and actually have some kind of agreement with them. All I really can say is; why aren't there lists of missing people in these parks? Believe it or not, no lists of missing persons is maintained by any Park or government agency. I find that weird.
Missing Enigma did an interview with Michael Bouchard about this case. I would highly recommend watching that one after this. They go into more depth about the Green Berets presence at the location. They even discuss pictures of the unit while they were searching. Just a little info from the other video: the Green Berets were already in the area for field training and none of them were armed.
Americans: There was a snake within a half mile of me... it was pretty traumatizing. Australians: Don't open the bottom draw to fast it pisses steve off... what, everyone know that the bottom draw is the designated snake draw.
We must bear in mind that "I turned my gaze from the bush for like 5 seconds" may well be five or ten minutes. People try to make their mistakes less severe, or remember things wrong during a crisis. A "wild man" is a possibility but I think it is a bit far fetched. I certaonly don't believe in cryptid or supernatiral explanations.
Ginseng is worth huge money…..It is illegal to harvest it in National Parks, ….So he was afraid he would get arrested for harvesting Ginseng in the Park…..😊✌️
All he had to say was that he was out hiking or bird watching or anything. No one could have proved otherwise and he could have reported the bones. I think his story is absurd and he was just seeking attention because this case has such long legs and was a national story.
Found you through Wendigoon and I'm glad I did. I've enjoyed every video I've seen so far, thanks so much for the amazing content! I don't think you mentioned it.. was the report of someone/something running on two legs carrying something made before or after the special forces showed up? That entire situation is weird as hell, honestly... I really hope we can learn more about this some day. Off I go to binge some more of your content! Thank you again for doing what you do and doing it so well! :3 ♡
when they found the remains did they find two shoes or just one? also it seems deliberate to me that the person walked into the creek but not out anywhere near where they entered. bodies of water like that hide tracks well
I think Foreign Internal Defense (as it relate to an ODA) would be more to do with security details involving high profile officials (i.e. diplomats, installed governors like Karzai, U.S. personnel in country) and related missions like setting up security for an embassy or a consulate somewhere in a foreign country. That said, it seems really out of sorts for that many to be there and to be so closed and hands off, when their whole specialty kind of hinges on being very much hands on.
There is a rat snake in East TN that gets confused for copperheads. It’s close to the color and has bands that make people think it’s a copperhead. You have to look at its head if you’re not familiar with them.
I've lived in the prairies for a while. There's a zoo/animal rescue that I would go to as a child, even then Bobcats are not that big. At most they will defend their territory. I would say they are a bit smaller than a medium sized dog. Bears tho... A bear will fuck you up lol
The logic for him not ever having been there seems to make the most sense. Did the guy have an insurance policy that got paid out? Maybe the family is complicit in assisting him in disappearing for some reason. Rather than there being foul play and no motive for foul play or accident coverup, could there be a financial motive for them to cooperate together to make that happen? Maybe at 82 years old he was ready to check out.
I am liking the videos, but a suggestion to keep my attention on the story would be some infographics or maps (with hiking routes of the missing for example) This can help the more visual of us build the story in our heads.
Beginning to add both of those in more often! Thanks to the recent spike in viewers I think we may be able to devote more time to the channel and that means graphics :)
I was also in a Boy Scout camp and had someone in my cabin wake up to an animal laying on them, it was a fox though. This case is so strange, the only thing that kind of fits is some creature, person, or force took or killed that boy, and when the Special Forces figured it out; they went to hunt whatever it was and didn't want to tell anyone because people shouldn't know. If it was just like a bear or mountain lion attack or something, no need for them to keep looking for something or to not tell anyone what happened.
@@mollylollipops there is a lot of history in that place and there are still old cabins from the settlers up there that they have preserved and tried to keep for historical value. Some of them are very strange with small hidden staircases to addicts that you wouldn't really know is there and just all together weird feelings. Some of the houses make you feel like you're being watched but that is an altogether feeling all throughout Cades Cove. Ive heard about squatch sightings but never seen one myself.
Apparently they found it or them and had to fight them which is why they kept calling in reinforcements... The kid was most likely already dead by the time they were called in
i was watching a new show and in episode 4 they ended with "in memory of arturo moreno 1980-2022" looked up the name and the best answer i could find on that when googling it came from a ar-15 forum that linked me to a IMDb page that says they worked on the show and where in the costume department, i only think this may be note worthy to you due to the show filming in a state park for parts, maybe i need sleep and am wasting peoples time as well as losing it so in that case im sorry but i feel like there i something up with that, also most google results tell you about a sports guy who is 75 or are a scam/malware website so that also feels odd for those to be the top google result
I watched another video on this and it was said that a family was walking a trail and saw a man running with a child and got into a white car. Has anyone else heard this ?
Ive always thought that the immediate arrival of the GBs right to the creek sector after finding the footprints, the rapid reinforcement, GB communication and activities black out, and prompt departure and search wrap up a few days later strongly suggested the discovery of a malicious group of feral people preying on park goers or a foreign special forces unit using the woods as a base. It sounds like there was a rapid and thorough recon and then a reinforcement for an extermination raid before a cleanup and departure.
Aye you just recently popped in my recommended and I'm watching a lot of your vids to get a feel for your content. Really enjoy them and nice to hear you name drop the boys Wendigoon and Mr. Ballen. I feel your content fits in nicely with the other stuff I watch and enjoy! Subbed here now :)
I'm sorry but as a texan the second you said wild hogs, the answer really is probably as simple as that. Those things are viscous, there's a reason why we pay people to get rid of em. Kinda reminds me of "Dingo ate my baby" . You know I wanted to end this with a lol XD , but that feels mildly inappropriate considering the subject matter so I will end it tursly.
The Missing Enigma did a very detailed video on Dennis and followed up with another interviewing Michael Bouchard and virtually solved the case, nothing supernatural either.
As for the ginseng, it is illegal to hunt it on Federally protected land. It is also illegal to hunt it out of season. People have hunted it to the point that it is hard to find. It actually brings a lot of money & is ginseng from here in East Tennessee is prized in China. I am not sure about it back then, but it is illegal to take any wildlife, plant or animal, from a National Park.
Great post. At the same time, any man who came across bones of a child or an adult should have reported it then. All he had to say was that he was out hiking. I don't believe his story. He probably just wanted attention or to be seen as important even years later because the case has long legs.
Here is what I think happened: I think they found his body near the lake that he "definitely wasn't" by the Green Berets, but I think the body was so damaged and they wouldn't have been able to explain the injuries so they covered it up. Just my opinion.
They police and even military apparently will follow up on the tips from psychics bc 1) Psychics have been helpful in some rare cases and naming areas, type of bldgs, whether person is thought to be alive etc.. 2) If they haven't had any success at that point then why not, who knows something may come of it.
Wild hogs are Bubba bubba bubba bubba bubba bubba bubba bad! A mystery unto themselves, how they can go feral so quickly! Pretty terrifying and sketchy!
18:00 *SquatchNote: Everyone always forgets the tribe of indigenous people described by Captain John Smith (circa 1600) as giants & they wore bear heads around their necks. He referred to them as Susque-hoxie. These people were found near the far north end of the Appalachian mountains near Chesapeake Bay. The later name was Susquehannocks. Later they were call
I came here looking for information on the missing Martin family from Oregon and this is what I watched. Great episode! I would love to have you do a show on the missing Oregon Martin family.
The green beret thing is weird!! Have you come across any other data in any other missing persons cases where special forces are utilized as part of civilian SAR? I'm just wondering if and/or how unusual that is, maybe it is very weird but maybe it's not all that uncommon. That would be my question in regards to their presence.
Can't find the video so I will leave comment here. You went to find where this child went missing. I was just totally appalled at your lack of respect and concern. Whether or not you agree with another individual on you tube, you were totally disrespectful of the memory of this CHILD. He was loved and is missed still. I used to love watching you for your valid and researched points. Have a hard time watching you now. Thank you
Someone needs to get the facts straight. And I’m not saying it is you necessarily. David Paulides tells the story of the kids playing hide and seek. Not trying to hide from the grownups. Seems very insignificant but details are everything when reporting a story.
It's been mentioned only once on another channel: Special Forces were there to liquidate a tribe of feral humans. Children (including the body of Dennis's remains) were perhaps among the dead. Not something you'd publicize. Also this was why the Unit Specialist working the case couldn't handle it emotionally and committed s--cide.
I lived in NC from when I was 7 until 12. I remember seeing SO MANY copperheads. And now thinking back they were all in the worst possible spots for humans. I'd see them on the side of the house, in woodpiles, around our dog cages etc. Their natural camouflage is insanely effective.
I wonder if he had fallen nto a kudzu patch? It would open like a trap door and then close itself back up just from vines moving around it can easily cover crevices and rock edges. A park ranger would know better than to Try and walk through it but a 6 year old wouldn't.
Dennis Martin was a 7 year old boy who was playing hide and seek with his child friends that day when he went missing. The boy was to close in proximity ( distance) to ware his parents were when he was hiding. Also very little time had past for the boy to have gotten lost. Dennis had not been hiking alone for a long period of time nor was he far from both his parents and the other children to have gotten lost. Let's not forget he went behind a tree and stood still ware he was hiding . Try and imagine you as a 7 year old boy. You would hear your Dad calling for you if you were a close distance away. Even if you were unconscious, hurt or worse you would be found by people unless you got abducted and taken. .I do not believe the boy was attacked and drug off somewhere because a bear nor a mountain lion has no hands and feet. Also there would be evidence of a struggle if he was harmed or attacked.Once again if Dennis was attacked by an animal he would be hurt ware he stood ( not to far off in the woods) What is going to pick up a 7 year old boy and take him away unless it was a human of some kind. Also animals stay away from groups of people and noise close by.Still and animal attack makes no sense regardless. Remember Dennis's Father started off after him once he noticed he had not come out from ware he was. The weather didn't start to shift for a few hours after it turned dark. I believe a predator ( not an animal) waited and was aware of the children as they played in the meadow. Dennis was the easiest target because he was alone not accompanied by any other children and was wearing a red t-shirt at the time. I don't believe are military was honest about certain Feral humans that live in the Smoky mountains national Park. Something as wholesome as children camping with there parents wouldn't want to be known as a horror film like "The hills have eyes " Unfortunately this was the case and for both the respect of the boys parents as well as the parks reputation deterring tourists from visiting the parks plays a role in not being honest with the public. I really hope the boy was not harmed in such a manner, but I just don't trust these state parks.The same disclosure and gag orders are placed on witnesses from Land between the lakes border and Kentucky and Tennessee State Parks and what lurks in the woods there and has killed families, so it's hard to trust our military for any truthful answers. The problem is society thinks that we're all in this together ( both society and the people running the world) That together as a democracy we are all innocently learning about the secrets in this world. We'll that's not the truth at all There is many secrets kept from society from the people that are running this world.
I’m not a huge fan of the Sasquatch theory, my dad is a huge cryptid enthusiast especially when it comes to bigfoot. And he never once mentioned a Sasquatch being violent towards people
I believe ginseng is like, wildly valuable? So it's not illegal to own it (pretty sure you can buy it at grocery stores), but looking for it on public land would be like poaching? I could be wrong.
Having spent almost 8 years lifeguarding, i can assure you that when a parent says "I only looked away for a few seconds", theyre almost certainly lying to you, lying to themselves, or severely lacking a sense of time. I have watched parents comoleteky absorbed in conversation or a book or a phone or whatever else theyre doing for extended periods of time. I once rescued a drowing child who was 5 feet from the edge of the pool where his mom and her friend were sitting with their legs in the water. They had been engrossed in conversation for at least the last 20 minutes. The kid was desperately trying to get his mom to pay attentuon to him, and he was swimming out further and further before he returned to the edge, trying to impress her. Eventually he got too tired, couldnt make it back to the edge, and started drowing while his mother sat right on chatting. I ran from the other side of the pool, jumped in, rescued the kid, and the mother says "oh my gosh! What happened! I only took my eyes off of him for a few seconds!" This was one of MANY times i experienced similar scenarios. The moral of the story us, there are very few parents that are going to admit "yeah, i wasnt paying attentuon to ny kid and i really dont know when they dissapeared/got snatched/started drowning because I hadn't seen them for like 30 minutes.
I'm with Dennis Martins dad who where real good friends with my parent's that the key board skeptics who just waste space and air where never there he was and HE knows it wasn't natural so they don't know as he so elegantly put it WTF they are talking about
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but the reason we don't take plaster casts of footprints anymore is because we found out the plaster would expand and make people think the foot was larger then it really was. So that could have been his footprint.
Just use a non expanding plaster?
@@treydelaspades3543 in soft ground it would still expand due to the weight
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Good point!
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Imagine being the kid who was traumatized by the snake, watching this video suddenly hearing his shout out
It was a cute story actually, me being a snake lover I know that snake probably found something warm to sleep on and the kid didn't find it very cuddly Lol
I'll fully admit the thought of a bear running on it's heind legs absolutely terrifies me. Like the shock of a 7 foot tall animal whole ass lineback running at you is scary
Ridiculous. It was Bigfoot.
Honestly, it would be scary af
My mom got chased by a bear when she was a toddler, she doesn't remember it but her brother (my uncle) does
not as scary if youre 7 feet tall😂 you might not believe me this but im 6'11"
this was the first 411 case I heard about. After that I binged on them.regards to the bear running on 2 legs, that immediately made me think of a man in a ghillie suit, something the green berets would be very familiar with
Or Bigfoot 😂
@@AntigonusTheGreat or wendigo
@@ImpalaWes you mean Wendigoon.
had the same thought :) maybe they were hunting their own
Yeah, Dennis Martin was my first 411 story too.
I love this style of video. I am not a fan of livestreams or anything like that, so I always love watching these videos! Binged every Missing 411 video you have so far, can't wait for more! Also, love the intros!
Dude, I think the nature center at your camp lied. It was probably a copperhead, and they didn't want to cause a panic.
"Oh yeah that snake! That's the not-copperhead... You boys should be fine..."
Turns out well over 90% of the calls the wildlife center gets about copperheads are just garden snakes, corn snakes, etc
Just wanted to say there are several snakes in the Smokies that look like copperheads but aren't. The only way in the South to know for sure and you learn this as a small child, if the head is round you are ok. If the head is a triangle it is a Viper and slowly back away. We don't have weird snakes like Australia where everything tries killing you......Second thought what's up with everything trying to kill you in Australia 😂
@@phoradio1277 bro america has more dangerous wildlife than Australia
And what evidence do you have that makes you think the nature center lied? While yes there are copperheads around it's not like they make their presence known all that often I'm 33 years old and have more or less lived in the woods my whole life and do you want to know how many copperheads I have seen, two that's right two copperheads my whole life, a copperhead is very distinct while if you have never actually seen a copperhead there are other snakes that could trick you and make you think that it is a copperhead
There are snakes that look similar to copperheads, especiallyif you're panicking- I came across a corn snake in my house that I swore was a copperhead.
Love the subtle wendogoon shout out at the beginning I’m so glad you two are collaborating s but on this stuff
My grandfather was part of the Green Beret's around this time. I'm really tempted to ask him of he knows anything. He wouldn't be allowed to tell me, om sure, but now I'm incredibly curious.
Did you ever ask him? I'm sure he would tell you.
Please update us if you ever find anything out
@@animalhalo5984 If his grandfather tells him that's one thing, but it would be illegal or even dangerous for him to say what was said here, if his grandfather is still bound by an NDA.
Screw em: neither a missing kid nor bigfoot are matters of national security within the ambit of that NDA. Use your head and srop kowtowing to arbitrary authority when you don't need to.
@@Transilvanian90Stop thinking like a Chinaman under the CCP.
I figure that the reason they take the psychic's tip is because it could be entirely possible that someone knows something or has heard something, and is trying to present truth or theory it in a way that doesn't connect them/implicate them, so they send it in under the guise of being a "vision" or "a dream", and those in charge would know this and take the tip is if it were the truth. Remember that they have to take every possible lead. If it turns out that they didn't, and it turns out the boy really was there, that inaction and responsibility would fall on their shoulders.
So I don't necessarily think they believe the psychic, just that they think she could somehow know something and this is her way of passing on, anonymously or not.
I can get hits sometimes of things it’s a real thing I know you people laugh at me but it is possible
this is exactly what it is and i'm surprised he didn't say so. you have to investigate tips like this when someone calls up and says "his body can be found here" because there's every possibility its someone confessing and disguising that confession as something else. if they hadn't looked into it and it turned out to later be true...
Ginsang is legal to harvest in Tennessee, unless you do not have permission by the landowner to be on their land, but there are specific seasons for harvesting the roots. This is to prevent ginsang from becoming extinct. You have to let it come to seed and replant the seeds for the root you take. (I looked it up. My dad hunts "sang" in Pennsylvania and you can only harvest here during certain months.)
Your post is interesting. What I don't understand is why the man said he did not come forward because of hunting the "sang". All he had to say is that he (like so many other people in the area or out in nature), was just out on a hike. His story does not ring true and he may be a person who wanted credit or attention and didn't have real information.
@@kathyscott9219 Or didn't want to get in trouble for harvesting out of the right time of year? People are weird.
@@girlgamergear3260 I get what you are saying. Yet, he didn't have to state that he was harvesting or looking for ginseng. He could have easily said he was hiking and then had the bones be found. Even if he was afraid of his actions, the authorities probably would not have cared if it led to the remains of a missing person. I don't believe him or his excuse.
@@girlgamergear3260 Also, people are weird for wanting to interject themselves into a popular or important case. It has happened so many times and it is strange and hard to comprehend.
The reason he knew he would be prosecuted is because he was hunting it on the national park land which you are not allowed to hunt for anything on state or national Park land, also you can harvest ginseng anytime throughout the year but you can only sell or buy it from September 1st to December 1st
I'm very interested in these missing cases specifically involving people who went missing in a short period of time around the presence of others who knew them. The elements of swiftness and familiarity make those cases seem very similar to how easy it is to 'lose' something the moment you drop it on the floor. Most of the time, we find it again but we retain a huge fear and impulse reaction to catch things before they hit the ground because it's like we instinctually know that once it hits the ground there's a good chance we will never see it again.. and that chance seems irrationally big
Holy smokes; the FBI files were finally released.
The Missing Enigma has a video out on it.
I just saw that one a few minutes ago, but nothing that changes anything. Nothing earth shaking.
@AdrienneMint Not true. That video showed that the "wildman" theory is bunk. Mr. Key never said he saw that. He said he heard a scream at some point, then a while later a disheveled man came hurrying out of the woods and sped off in a car. Mr. Martin says that Mr. Key saw a wildman, and he's welcome to think what he wants because he's grieving, but the audio of Mr. Key doesn't lie.
@@JoeMac1983 I don’t remember, I watched the video last fall, but I will go back and look again
@@JoeMac1983 there were still things redacted, and the FBI only releases what they want you to see. The FBI report doesn’t reveal a damn thing. You’re really going to trust them?
@@JoeMac1983 source? Because I could have sworn that the news refused to take his report seriously and didn’t mention it in the paper. Mr. Key believed his information was important and had to find Mr. Martin himself to tell him his account.
As a Veteran, The SF detachment intrigues me. It was a different era for sure, but it’s very very obscure. Special forces soldiers are just regular men, they have family’s and are fathers. Hearing a father was missing his son, and then having the skills and resources to search, they may have just decided to assist in the search and use it as an excuse for training. But that being said, it’s a very very strange call for their command to allow this to go on for so long. I’ve heard the Bob Gimlin version of this story as well and that whole part is what sticks out to me. Some research into this avenue needs to be done. I have a resource for this if any info can be found. If I find anything new I’ll come back here and post. And send an update if there is one to The Lore Lodge.
the Green Berets were said to be newer so it could easily have been a viable chance to train how to locate people. not only for search and rescue but for searching people who would not have wanted to be found. it could also be used to practice group operations and communication across a large area. they might have thought the search wouldn't take long so they just sent whoever was closest. when it continued they decided to send more people to get more training in.
Yes. The were still in training and asked to help.
What if Wendigoon is responsible for all the missing 411 cases in Tennessee, and he's doing it for the content?
There are similar stories about El Yunque National Park in Puerto Rico, the place is home to unexplained missing person cases, including the disappearance of a party of four college kids, & stories of folks encountering military personnel ordering folks off of particular trails. In one particularly sad case, two kids that were trailing behind their parents just disappeared-no report of strange noises, no sightings of strange people or weird creatures as possible culprit.
Never heard of them what do you think it is
Have been watching your older content, it's been awesome to see how much you've changed things, definitely in the right direction, love this style!
It’s been a long road but we try to improve every week!
And changed personally
There's a lot of odd things in the Appalachians... I'm not saying paranormal but I'm not not saying it either
Wife here..That's exactly what I Always say..!!...I'm from around the Asheville area
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@riichobamin7612 um they were saying they were Eric's wife. I'm hetero.
@@jenniferedwards4874 okay. Thanks !
Aiden, I used to have a wanted poster for Dennis Martin, as I said earlier, I was 11 when he disappeared, I kept that poster on my wall until I was 17 and ran away from home, sometimes I would think about him and just cry, thinking about my own brother going missing.
Here's a few other details I read earlier -* Dennis was sent to hide further away by the kids because he wore a conspicuous red t shirt which was hard to hide
* A man in a light colored car was seen by a witness below the location at the field, leaving the area.
* More recently a skull was found at a further away remote location, never searched, long buried in layers of leaf litter. by the (illegal) herb hunter who wished to be anonymous.
This might combine with the hypothesis that the man in the car, described as middle aged, abducted him ( say by offering him a ride back to his folks), s-a'd him, (or intended to) and then killed him or dumped him in a place from which he did not know how to return, and/or died of exposure.
Also, David Paulides said Dennis's father said a ranger approached him to tell him some things, such as that an official in charge of investigations at a range of parks told him that searching for the "man or bear" seen by ther visitors at that time would not be done because it was too far away (it was not, suggesting a cover up). (Incidentally perhaps, this official later committed suicide. )
And that there were said to be feral fur wearing humans who lived not far from there and when confronted by him/other rangers had threatened them with a knife.
Also, the other family introduced themselves to Dennis' family with the same last name and it was they who suggested that the kids play hide and seek.
What is more scary?
A bigfoot carrying away a child or a human man in a bigfoot costume carrying away a child?
It's not that it's illegal to hunt ginseng in Tennessee it's just that it's illegal to hunt for anything within the boundaries of a state or national Park
Yeah, over 60 green barrettes in a forest
Looking for a missing kid
They go silent
In an area where they found foot prints.
Absolutely nothing suspicious about that.
New member here from Tennessee but know a bit about the Matin case.Question… there were reports the Special forces had weapons.
One of The Lore Lodge competitors deny the Green Berets had weapons. During your research, did you bump into anything about weapons?
Thanks!
I don’t recall reading anything about them having weapons during the search, but they do go totally dark for a few days before leaving in the reports I found. Basically the footprint is found and then we don’t hear about them till they leave. Odd, but not damning.
You know it’s fucked when not even Iron Man can find the kid.
Honestly the green berets being involved and calling more and more in just sounds like army bullshit. “Oh you didn’t find him? Bring more in. We are supposed to be the best.”
Some uppity officer just kept throwing dudes at it for whatever reason.
Right up their alley. Army does dumb shit
Or they found something that they needed backup
Running Bear could have been a man in a ghillie suit. That would explain how he grabbed the kid from a bush without being seen.
Grew up in the Upstate of SC, my grandfather used to tell me of the Wompus Cat, a large cat like creature that kinda reminds me of a werewolf but a cat. Said that his father told them of the stories back in the 1930's when my grandfather was growing up. Apparently people in NC, SC and GA blamed this creature for a string of livestock attacks and that the kids were not allowed out after dark. The ending of the witnesses seeing something running with something slung over its shoulder brought that story to mind.
I grew up in a small town on the Gulf Coast of Alabama. I grew up hearing stories about the Wompus. As I got older I assumed it was a Mountain Lion or Moutain Lion subspecies i.e the Florida Panther.
My first thought was mountain lion I can not overestimate how well they camouflage and how talented they are at stalking so them not seeing anything happen might makes sense also him being the last person is a lion MO they also go straight for the neck hence no scream lastly they take the prey back to the den making it hard to find him........ only I didn't know they don't have mountain lions could have been a bobcat.
Went on a cryptid binge a few weeks ago while recovering from a snowboarding injury, found this channel and I've been hooked since. What you guys do is great, keep it up!
Really enjoying the series, Have to say I agree with you about the weirdness of the sighting of the bear running on two legs. Especially after finding the barefoot next to the shoe print at the creek.
That part is very much hearsay, so I take it less seriously, but in tandem with the rest it’s quite odd
I would like to say that it is not uncommon for green beret teams to come and get involved with searches or other civilian operations and I think it is possible a SF team herd of the situation with Dennis Martin and came out to yes, help find him, but to also keep there tracking skills sharp and saw this as a good way to do so.
For him to not make any sound, while in such close proximity to his dad, something would have had to snap his neck, but also remain undetected which is what makes this all the more unexplainable because his brother would have been beside him and either not noticed, or he was taken after his brother left cover
This is such an interesting case. Thank you very much for covering this. Keep up the great work. Take care!
Seriously underwatched channel, keep up the good work!
To explain why one is in the woods looking for Ginseng: Ginseng is harvested for the root and bc a LOT of money can be made on it the authorities try to prevent others from going on private properties to look/steal it. It can sell for $500-1,000 per pound, and that is the low end so you can see why people would be out digging in the woods. It's not easy to find, and they specifically want the root so that makes it harder. Also, Gensing is in high demand for energy drinks, teas etc, and an even greater demand in China/Asia so there is a huge market.
As a mom, this case absolutely breaks my heart and every time i hear this babys name, i just have this overwhelming need to hug my babies. I can not imagine how hard this was on his father. Especially knowing he was right there and doing everything right and something terrible still happened. I hope that father knows that this wasnt his fault, that he did everything he could have possibly done, and he has found some kind of peace (whatever little bit of peace a parent can get after something like this.) He's forever in my prayers and this baby will never be forgotten. He did everything he could possibly do, and although he didnt get his son back, he will be remembered by so many people because his fathers perseverance in looking for him, and the love he clearly had for his son. With cases like this, there really is no right way to bring any sort of comfort to the families besides keeping them in our prayers.
There was nothing odd about the Green Berets getting involved. The NPS files confirm they were invited in. They set up comms and worked alongside other search units. The Green Berets simply had no need to chat with the Rangers as there was an established, simplified, and agreed chain of comms the Green Berets would use through a military liaison team within the Air National Guard local air base - who were co-ordinating all military aspects of the search with the National Park Service Rangers.
To quote from the NPS file:
"Ranger Myers also contacted U.S. Forest: Service District Ranger on the Nantahala, who in turn made contact with Col. Kinney, commanding the Special Forces troops in that area. Col. Kinney requested and obtained permission from the Third Army Headquarters at Ft. Benning, Georgia, to transfer 40 Special Forces to the search area."
The Dennis Martin case is one of the most studied in all of SAR history and is used as a case-study in 'what not to do' - so many gaps and flaws were found in the aftermath of the incident that it's used to train SAR people. :/
The reason the searchers reacted to the psychic (one of dozens of such predictions) was that the Martin family were strong believers in the paranormal, and the search teams wished to reassure and indulge them to show all was being done to locate their missing child. The FBI also checked into many of the people who offered predictions...just in case they were really trying to allude to a kidnapping, etc.
Hundreds of searchers were deployed. Most of them badly trained, or not trained at all. They had little co-ordination, and bad weather hampered much of the searching. The storms the night of his disappearance also made rivers and streams really dangerous. The searchers tried to be comprehensive, but the weather and inadequate skills were against a successful outcome from the start. :/ There's a good chance his body was overlooked by searchers, or perhaps he even hid from searchers unfamiliar to him.
But poor Dennis just wasn't prepared for a cold night lost in the forest in a thunderstorm.
"The NPS files confirm they were invited in".....and likely all after the fact these files were reviewed. GB's were all about locate & eliminate.
@@MrAtomicBulldog they are first all about training...there were 400-500 Army personnel only 20mi away in the field..training..Rangers asked the Military for asisstance..40 Green..very green...berets were sent..perfect training for map reading,land navigation,field craft..nothing about 'locate-eliminate for a search for a 6yr old
@@getoffenit7827 The timing is highly curious, and the excuse would have always been 'they were training'. How many times have they trained at the same place since 1969? I'm betting not even once.
@@MrAtomicBulldog that area has been a training location since WW2 and its still used today by the Army...and the Dennis Martin case isnt the only time Green Berets or Army troops were asked to help with search and rescue.Do research before doing assumptions and guesses
@@getoffenit7827 Friend, then I appear to be wrong. I stand corrected. I am still suspicious of the timing in June 1969 but I may well be wrong. Thank you for the gentle correction. I tip my hat to you.
This was interesting to say the least. There are at least three things that tick some classic 411 cases; slightly handicapped, missing from a group of people, bad weather hampering the search, and traces (foot and shoe print) found far from original site.
The Green Berets have shown up for a few 411s, as has the FBI.
Sometimes, I think the government set up the National Park service as preserves for someone, or thing, and actually have some kind of agreement with them.
All I really can say is; why aren't there lists of missing people in these parks? Believe it or not, no lists of missing persons is maintained by any Park or government agency. I find that weird.
Missing Enigma did an interview with Michael Bouchard about this case. I would highly recommend watching that one after this. They go into more depth about the Green Berets presence at the location. They even discuss pictures of the unit while they were searching. Just a little info from the other video: the Green Berets were already in the area for field training and none of them were armed.
Wendigoon sent me here. Pretty dope channel. Looks like I found something new to binge.
Welcome aboard!
Americans: There was a snake within a half mile of me... it was pretty traumatizing.
Australians: Don't open the bottom draw to fast it pisses steve off... what, everyone know that the bottom draw is the designated snake draw.
We must bear in mind that "I turned my gaze from the bush for like 5 seconds" may well be five or ten minutes. People try to make their mistakes less severe, or remember things wrong during a crisis. A "wild man" is a possibility but I think it is a bit far fetched. I certaonly don't believe in cryptid or supernatiral explanations.
watching ur older videos and everytime i dont hear the epic intro i get suprised so glad the intro is a thing now!
Even if it was a animal attack when the body still be around somewhere or at least something?
And there would be noises too, being that close animal attacks are not quiet
Ginseng is worth huge money…..It is illegal to harvest it in National Parks, ….So he was afraid he would get arrested for harvesting Ginseng in the Park…..😊✌️
All he had to say was that he was out hiking or bird watching or anything. No one could have proved otherwise and he could have reported the bones. I think his story is absurd and he was just seeking attention because this case has such long legs and was a national story.
Found you through Wendigoon and I'm glad I did. I've enjoyed every video I've seen so far, thanks so much for the amazing content!
I don't think you mentioned it.. was the report of someone/something running on two legs carrying something made before or after the special forces showed up? That entire situation is weird as hell, honestly... I really hope we can learn more about this some day.
Off I go to binge some more of your content! Thank you again for doing what you do and doing it so well! :3 ♡
when they found the remains did they find two shoes or just one? also it seems deliberate to me that the person walked into the creek but not out anywhere near where they entered. bodies of water like that hide tracks well
I think Foreign Internal Defense (as it relate to an ODA) would be more to do with security details involving high profile officials (i.e. diplomats, installed governors like Karzai, U.S. personnel in country) and related missions like setting up security for an embassy or a consulate somewhere in a foreign country.
That said, it seems really out of sorts for that many to be there and to be so closed and hands off, when their whole specialty kind of hinges on being very much hands on.
There is a rat snake in East TN that gets confused for copperheads. It’s close to the color and has bands that make people think it’s a copperhead. You have to look at its head if you’re not familiar with them.
I've lived in the prairies for a while. There's a zoo/animal rescue that I would go to as a child, even then Bobcats are not that big. At most they will defend their territory. I would say they are a bit smaller than a medium sized dog. Bears tho... A bear will fuck you up lol
The only issue with him being dragged off by something like that is that they reportedly found no signs of a struggle
@@TheLoreLodge yeah true that's always the weird part with these cases eh
You guys need more views I don't understand it
The algorithm does not like us very much
why the fuck does it always seem like just as a search is about to start a storm or blizzard kicks off? has this not been mentioned before?
The logic for him not ever having been there seems to make the most sense. Did the guy have an insurance policy that got paid out? Maybe the family is complicit in assisting him in disappearing for some reason. Rather than there being foul play and no motive for foul play or accident coverup, could there be a financial motive for them to cooperate together to make that happen? Maybe at 82 years old he was ready to check out.
The snake was probably enjoying the kids warmth. Poor Kid, Poor Snake
I am liking the videos, but a suggestion to keep my attention on the story would be some infographics or maps (with hiking routes of the missing for example) This can help the more visual of us build the story in our heads.
Beginning to add both of those in more often! Thanks to the recent spike in viewers I think we may be able to devote more time to the channel and that means graphics :)
@@TheLoreLodge that’s amazing! I’ll continue to smash the like button and do my part :)
I was also in a Boy Scout camp and had someone in my cabin wake up to an animal laying on them, it was a fox though. This case is so strange, the only thing that kind of fits is some creature, person, or force took or killed that boy, and when the Special Forces figured it out; they went to hunt whatever it was and didn't want to tell anyone because people shouldn't know. If it was just like a bear or mountain lion attack or something, no need for them to keep looking for something or to not tell anyone what happened.
Great story and you presented it very well. Great job! Cheers. 🇨🇦
Thank you!
@@TheLoreLodge My pleasure. I am already a Subscriber but I will be around more often in the future.
Cheers! 🇨🇦
This isn't related to the video but he looks like guy fierrie (can't spell)
We live in strawberry plains which is around an hour tops from cades cove. Weird shit happens there that no one wants to talk about
Do you have any stories or experiences of your own to share? This kind of stuff is just so fascinating. What do you think makes it that way any ideas?
@@mollylollipops there is a lot of history in that place and there are still old cabins from the settlers up there that they have preserved and tried to keep for historical value. Some of them are very strange with small hidden staircases to addicts that you wouldn't really know is there and just all together weird feelings. Some of the houses make you feel like you're being watched but that is an altogether feeling all throughout Cades Cove. Ive heard about squatch sightings but never seen one myself.
@@annabellarosalind288 thanks for sharing💟
Can you post the name of the psychic? I'd like to see if I can dig into that at all.
It was Mrs. Schwaller I believe
Unless you need the filler, you shouldn't slow your story down by explaining what a latrine is or what Green Berets are.
That is what Google is for. 😊
Most people don’t use google, if people did we wouldn’t have a problem with misinformation, like flat earth idiots and creationists
Apparently they found it or them and had to fight them which is why they kept calling in reinforcements... The kid was most likely already dead by the time they were called in
i was watching a new show and in episode 4 they ended with "in memory of arturo moreno 1980-2022" looked up the name and the best answer i could find on that when googling it came from a ar-15 forum that linked me to a IMDb page that says they worked on the show and where in the costume department, i only think this may be note worthy to you due to the show filming in a state park for parts, maybe i need sleep and am wasting peoples time as well as losing it so in that case im sorry but i feel like there i something up with that, also most google results tell you about a sports guy who is 75 or are a scam/malware website so that also feels odd for those to be the top google result
I decided to check out your channel after seeing Wendigoon's video on the missing 411 stuff. These videos are great!
And mr. Martin himself believes he was lied to consistently throughout the entire investigation
I watched another video on this and it was said that a family was walking a trail and saw a man running with a child and got into a white car. Has anyone else heard this ?
Yes, the Key family, I believe.
Edit: nvm, I don't think they saw the vehicle, just something carrying a boy on its shoulders.
As another commenter said I prefer this style of video I find it cleaner to listen to (audio level wise I like Botha hosts) while I work
Ive always thought that the immediate arrival of the GBs right to the creek sector after finding the footprints, the rapid reinforcement, GB communication and activities black out, and prompt departure and search wrap up a few days later strongly suggested the discovery of a malicious group of feral people preying on park goers or a foreign special forces unit using the woods as a base. It sounds like there was a rapid and thorough recon and then a reinforcement for an extermination raid before a cleanup and departure.
I thought GB's were all about locate & eliminate. Your theory would play into their arrival and reinforcement.
Aye you just recently popped in my recommended and I'm watching a lot of your vids to get a feel for your content. Really enjoy them and nice to hear you name drop the boys Wendigoon and Mr. Ballen. I feel your content fits in nicely with the other stuff I watch and enjoy! Subbed here now :)
I'm sorry but as a texan the second you said wild hogs, the answer really is probably as simple as that. Those things are viscous, there's a reason why we pay people to get rid of em. Kinda reminds me of "Dingo ate my baby" . You know I wanted to end this with a lol XD , but that feels mildly inappropriate considering the subject matter so I will end it tursly.
Damn it's been a while since I've seen this channel recommended to me
Well we hope you’ll stick around!
The Missing Enigma did a very detailed video on Dennis and followed up with another interviewing Michael Bouchard and virtually solved the case, nothing supernatural either.
As for the ginseng, it is illegal to hunt it on Federally protected land. It is also illegal to hunt it out of season. People have hunted it to the point that it is hard to find. It actually brings a lot of money & is ginseng from here in East Tennessee is prized in China. I am not sure about it back then, but it is illegal to take any wildlife, plant or animal, from a National Park.
Great post. At the same time, any man who came across bones of a child or an adult should have reported it then. All he had to say was that he was out hiking. I don't believe his story. He probably just wanted attention or to be seen as important even years later because the case has long legs.
Here is what I think happened: I think they found his body near the lake that he "definitely wasn't" by the Green Berets, but I think the body was so damaged and they wouldn't have been able to explain the injuries so they covered it up. Just my opinion.
They police and even military apparently will follow up on the tips from psychics bc 1) Psychics have been helpful in some rare cases and naming areas, type of bldgs, whether person is thought to be alive etc.. 2) If they haven't had any success at that point then why not, who knows something may come of it.
Was that the story of the women being chased, by to people in white gowns, for a few days??
Rain actually improves a dog's ability to pick up a scent. Unless of course it's like flash flood kind of rain.
Have you heard of the case of Ryker webb
I find the fact that they wouldn't let anybody else search it very strange indeed like they knew something
Missing Enigma's video on this is a must watch.
Way better than this
Wild hogs are Bubba bubba bubba bubba bubba bubba bubba bad! A mystery unto themselves, how they can go feral so quickly! Pretty terrifying and sketchy!
Time to track down some of those green berets
18:00 *SquatchNote: Everyone always forgets the tribe of indigenous people described by Captain John Smith (circa 1600) as giants & they wore bear heads around their necks. He referred to them as Susque-hoxie. These people were found near the far north end of the Appalachian mountains near Chesapeake Bay. The later name was Susquehannocks.
Later they were call
I Love your videos. But please. Pretty please. Include metric system and celcius in your speech.
Please. You'll make the rest of the world happier...
I came here looking for information on the missing Martin family from Oregon and this is what I watched. Great episode!
I would love to have you do a show on the missing Oregon Martin family.
The green beret thing is weird!! Have you come across any other data in any other missing persons cases where special forces are utilized as part of civilian SAR? I'm just wondering if and/or how unusual that is, maybe it is very weird but maybe it's not all that uncommon. That would be my question in regards to their presence.
GB's were all about locate & eliminate.
Can't find the video so I will leave comment here. You went to find where this child went missing. I was just totally appalled at your lack of respect and concern. Whether or not you agree with another individual on you tube, you were totally disrespectful of the memory of this CHILD. He was loved and is missed still. I used to love watching you for your valid and researched points. Have a hard time watching you now. Thank you
Have you done an investigation on Trenny Gipson, who disappeared at Clingmans Dome in the Great Smokies?
If this didnt actually happen id almost say it sounds like a story from the scp universe
New to the channel. Love the content. And I know I'm late to the party, but really liking the hair.
Someone needs to get the facts straight. And I’m not saying it is you necessarily. David Paulides tells the story of the kids playing hide and seek. Not trying to hide from the grownups. Seems very insignificant but details are everything when reporting a story.
It's been mentioned only once on another channel: Special Forces were there to liquidate a tribe of feral humans. Children (including the body of Dennis's remains) were perhaps among the dead. Not something you'd publicize. Also this was why the Unit Specialist working the case couldn't handle it emotionally and committed s--cide.
I lived in NC from when I was 7 until 12. I remember seeing SO MANY copperheads. And now thinking back they were all in the worst possible spots for humans. I'd see them on the side of the house, in woodpiles, around our dog cages etc. Their natural camouflage is insanely effective.
I live in North Georgia and they are really bad here too.
I wonder if he had fallen nto a kudzu patch? It would open like a trap door and then close itself back up just from vines moving around it can easily cover crevices and rock edges. A park ranger would know better than to Try and walk through it but a 6 year old wouldn't.
Contemplating should l watch this since l live in TN near Smokey Mountains 😆
Dennis Martin was a 7 year old boy who was playing hide and seek with his child friends that day when he went missing. The boy was to close in proximity ( distance) to ware his parents were when he was hiding. Also very little time had past for the boy to have gotten lost. Dennis had not been hiking alone for a long period of time nor was he far from both his parents and the other children to have gotten lost. Let's not forget he went behind a tree and stood still ware he was hiding . Try and imagine you as a 7 year old boy. You would hear your Dad calling for you if you were a close distance away. Even if you were unconscious, hurt or worse you would be found by people unless you got abducted and taken. .I do not believe the boy was attacked and drug off somewhere because a bear nor a mountain lion has no hands and feet. Also there would be evidence of a struggle if he was harmed or attacked.Once again if Dennis was attacked by an animal he would be hurt ware he stood ( not to far off in the woods) What is going to pick up a 7 year old boy and take him away unless it was a human of some kind. Also animals stay away from groups of people and noise close by.Still and animal attack makes no sense regardless. Remember Dennis's Father started off after him once he noticed he had not come out from ware he was.
The weather didn't start to shift for a few hours after it turned dark.
I believe a predator ( not an animal) waited and was aware of the children as they played in the meadow. Dennis was the easiest target because he was alone not accompanied by any other children and was wearing a red t-shirt at the time.
I don't believe are military was honest about certain Feral humans that live in the Smoky mountains national Park. Something as wholesome as children camping with there parents wouldn't want to be known as a horror film like "The hills have eyes " Unfortunately this was the case and for both the respect of the boys parents as well as the parks reputation deterring tourists from visiting the parks plays a role in not being honest with the public.
I really hope the boy was not harmed in such a manner, but I just don't trust these state parks.The same disclosure and gag orders are placed on witnesses from Land between the lakes border and Kentucky and Tennessee State Parks and what lurks in the woods there and has killed families, so it's hard to trust our military for any truthful answers.
The problem is society thinks that we're all in this together ( both society and the people running the world) That together as a democracy we are all innocently learning about the secrets in this world. We'll that's not the truth at all There is many secrets kept from society from the people that are running this world.
I’m not a huge fan of the Sasquatch theory, my dad is a huge cryptid enthusiast especially when it comes to bigfoot. And he never once mentioned a Sasquatch being violent towards people
think jack daniels went missing from your intro. otherwise i like your 411 coverage. thanks..
If the dad knew his shoe size they could have just checked the prints size
I believe ginseng is like, wildly valuable? So it's not illegal to own it (pretty sure you can buy it at grocery stores), but looking for it on public land would be like poaching? I could be wrong.
Having spent almost 8 years lifeguarding, i can assure you that when a parent says "I only looked away for a few seconds", theyre almost certainly lying to you, lying to themselves, or severely lacking a sense of time.
I have watched parents comoleteky absorbed in conversation or a book or a phone or whatever else theyre doing for extended periods of time.
I once rescued a drowing child who was 5 feet from the edge of the pool where his mom and her friend were sitting with their legs in the water. They had been engrossed in conversation for at least the last 20 minutes. The kid was desperately trying to get his mom to pay attentuon to him, and he was swimming out further and further before he returned to the edge, trying to impress her.
Eventually he got too tired, couldnt make it back to the edge, and started drowing while his mother sat right on chatting. I ran from the other side of the pool, jumped in, rescued the kid, and the mother says "oh my gosh! What happened! I only took my eyes off of him for a few seconds!"
This was one of MANY times i experienced similar scenarios. The moral of the story us, there are very few parents that are going to admit "yeah, i wasnt paying attentuon to ny kid and i really dont know when they dissapeared/got snatched/started drowning because I hadn't seen them for like 30 minutes.
I'm with Dennis Martins dad who where real good friends with my parent's that the key board skeptics who just waste space and air where never there he was and HE knows it wasn't natural so they don't know as he so elegantly put it WTF they are talking about