Louder Dialogue Sound with Audition CC: Clip Gain and Compression
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- Are you finding that your sound for your videos just doesn’t seem loud enough or is just a little too quiet? Here are a couple of tools in Adobe Audition you can use to fix that: Clip Gain and Compression.
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5 years later your video is still one of the best out on TH-cam regarding this topic. Thank you!
Thanks Dean.
HUGEEEEEEEE HELP Curtis, thank you so much! I'm editing my first TH-cam review and (albeit did a terrible mic job) wanted to salvage as much as I could without re-recording. You've saved my day!
+Sully Cortez Glad it helped! Best of luck on your first review!
Awesome Curtis. Very helpful. Thanks for taking the time to make.
Thanks Dan!
Thank you Curtis! You helped me a lot! Keep up the good work, very appreciated!
Thanks for the feedback!
Hey Curtis, thank you so much for this! This was very helpful! This is just what I need for my projects! I look forward to seeing more of your videos! You just earned a new subscriber! :)
Thanks Julian!
Great video Curtis, adding this to my Audition Faves list.
+Gary Stockton Thanks Gary.
Thank you very much! This was extremely helpful, and to the point.
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Great video, thanks Curtis! This will be really helpful when editing different audio levels from interviews :)
+Doodlebox Media Thanks, glad it helped!
I did not even watched your video yet, but I'm thrilled to watch it since I know you only deliver qulity! Thanx in advance Curtis!
Thanks and hope it proves helpful!
@@curtisjudd Yes it did! Thanks again! By the way, you helped me out big time with one of your video's about lighting set ups!
Thank you Curtis! I have just discovered your channel, and what a godsend! I am a language teacher who regularly uses premiere and audition to make video and audio content for my students. I realized the thing we, and most schools are lacking is good quality audio.
Your tutorials have been so much help, and I am no longer daunted by the task of improving my sound!
Thanks so much for the feedback!
Excellent tutorial. This really helped me. Thanks.
Glad it helped! 👍
Thank you Curtis for your video. 👍 helped me a lot.
You bet!
Thank you
Thanks man....... Helped alot
Thanks Roy. 👍
Nice video, thanks!
+Primary Technologies Thanks!
The match volume thingy really change my audio. Definitely saving this video for future edits cuz i forgot easily haha. Thank you so much.
You're welcome and happy recording!
@@curtisjudd BTW, i have other effect that i often apply in my audio like DeReverb to reduce echo. So i should i apply the effect before normalizing it right? (Sorry for my bad English)
@@kiga8492 Yes.
Thanks For the help Curtis
You're welcome Ford.
Thanks alot :D
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Hmm... I can't seem to reply to Paul's comment directly? But even so...
I think I understand Paul's point, but is it practically feasible? If I have an hour of dialogue, going in and adjusting the gain for every clip would take quite a while, especially for audio that varies in loudness regularly. I'm editing a piece right now that 1.5+ hrs long, and there are hundreds of points where the volume varies by quite a bit; to be fair, this is an artifact of the recording set up and varying distances from the mics during the recording . But even for my normal recordings with my lav mic, just cleaning up the spikes (transients I believe you called them) after compression can be a bear.
Lately I've just moved to a hard limiter to clean them up since the spikes are often artifacts of non-dialogue sounds like strange mouth noises between words (a lip smack or similar). ;)
I should add that I am using Audacity and the Audition clip gain seems to operate like amplify. Modifying the clip gain in Audition looks much quicker. :)
This almost makes me want to post a video of my audio and how I am editing it. *grin* The dynamic range of my recordings is much larger than yours.
+Terranscapes Thanks! I think the answer is to use a leveler plugin which does exactly what we covered here, but automatically, based on a few settings. We'll cover that in a future episode. Incidentally, Audacity has a leveler plugin (I need to get in and use it to see how well it works relative to Audition's).
And yes, this is an example of where Audacity and Audition differ, with Audition making things quicker. And also yes, the amplify plugin is your clip gain in Audacity. :)
Thanks again for the insights, it is clear that you're living through these challenges in your projects!
This is GOLD. Curtis! Thanks so much for this!
Question: What would be the process when working with ALL 3 - (Dialogue-SFX-Music) ?
Should we first roughly edit the audio levels of each ? And then apply all of the effects (Denoise, EQ, Compressor, Limiter, Normalization.....[in what order ??]) - on individual level OR is there a better way (or even a tutorial of yours) to approach that ?
I understood everything in this video coz it was just 'one' dialogue.......How should we approach if there are multiple dialogues, SFX and BGMs ?
Thanks much! :D
Hi bs12.13, I would just adjust the track levels to get everything in balance and sounding good together. Then bounce out the mix. Then loudness normalize the bounced mix.
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You just got a new sub. 😀 thank you!
Thanks Danilo. I hope you find the videos helpful!
@@curtisjudd they have been. Audio has always been something that scares me, but your videos are giving me some "hope" haha thank you. And thank you for replying.
Curtis thanks for great video! Right before you do match volume to -19, what is difference between just drag whole thing and increase volume vs "match volume"?
+Jason Ko Hi Jason, the big difference is that if you just select the entire audio clip and increase the gain, you don't know how far to drag up to hit the -19LUFS target. Match volume takes care of that for you. So if you use match volume to -19 for each video you produce, they will sound very consistent in terms of loudness from one video to the next.
Curtis, I don't think selective compression is your best option here, especially for spoken word. By doing so you are spot altering the dynamic attributes (and fidelity) of the selected audio. In essence the selectively processed segment is going sound different after you bump it up to your intended target. What I would suggest is to manually "level" the audio by making selections and applying Clip Gain compensation on each selection to even things. Do this throughout the entire clip. Then apply a single pass of "global" compression (if necessary) prior to Loudness Normalization. IMHO the results will be much more natural and pleasing. (-paul).
Thank you Paul, I appreciate your input as always.
Great video. Is there a way this can be done on auto to multiple files so that they all sound the same? This method would take too long for each recording. Thanks.
+Damjan Visnjic Izotope RX Loudness Control can automate this to a large extent: www.izotope.com/en/products/post-production/rx-loudness-control/
Loudness normalization, compression and effects are always confuse.. Thanks for sharing always great tips to handle Audition CC..!!
+Carlos Echeverria Thank you!
Great and very helpful video, as always! :)
Would you noise reduce first and then apply gain & compression? Or would you NR after the loudness adjustments?
Thanks for doing these videos!
Hi Moritz, I usually normalize the audio first to get it to a baseline level for processing - usually somewhere around -26 LUFS, then apply the cleanup like noise reduction. Then when I have everything sounding right, I apply a last pass of loudness normalization to my target levels, e.g., -16 to -17 LUFS for web.
@@curtisjudd Hey Curtis,
thank you so much for your fast response!
So your process would look like this:
1. Normalize to -26 LUFS
2. NR
3. Amplification, compression, etc.
4. Normalize to target loudness
Is that correct?
I'm currently working on a small web show as a camera operator and I'm also doing the sound, which I'm quite new to. This video already made the audio a lot better because before I used to normalize first and then do compression. Which did not sound that great and was a lot more difficult to work with as you tend to clip very easily.
I really learned a lot from you, so thank you again for doing this channel!
@ Yes, this is how I usually approach things. Best wishes!
@@curtisjudd Thanks! Have a great day!
from where to get the match loudness clip? that you use
Adobe Audition. Go to view menu, then check Match Loudness.
Hi I hope you'll answer this. I use a pro mic to record. I don't edit my sound because it sounds loud and clear when I'm editing. But after I load it to TH-cam it's not as loud or clear. I get a slight distortion as though the sound is too loud but yet it's not. I hope that makes sense. So if I edit the sound in editing will this help? Also is this done separately? I use power director for my videos. Should I use this software that you're sharing for my sound? Thanks!
Hi AnneP, do you have a sample video I can listen to?
@@curtisjudd Here's a recent video from my channel.th-cam.com/video/ZX4orljVtgk/w-d-xo.html
@@MakeupForMatureSkin Thanks! I just checked your video and it is sitting at -27.5 LUFS which is not optimal in terms of loudness (you can check this by right clicking on a video while it is playing and choosing the "Stats for Nerds" option.) I have a video posting tomorrow morning which will cover the difference between volume and loudness. And here's an older video covering how to get consistent loudness for your videos: th-cam.com/video/-J1v0bdji6c/w-d-xo.html
Keep up the great work!
I don't get why in my DAW(Adobe audition) my audio isn't reaching 0 dB, but when I use the pro-ds plugins, it shows me that I'm clipping with +0.2. Any idea why that is happening?
What does the pro-ds plugin do? It may be changing the levels.
My version of Audition CS6 doesn't have any gain controls like you show. I've been trying for hours just to get the simplest of tools to appear. Can you help?
Yes, this was introduced in versions later than CS6. You'd need to upgrade to get this functionality, unfortunately.
I can''t adjust the gain for tracks in CS6? I thought I did just the other day. In fact I used one of your videos as a reference for how to (because I usually don't use Audition.) Is it only in some workspaces or views or something? Maybe I did this a different way? Are you telling there is no way to change the gain in version CS6?
@@curtisjudd I actually do not know how.. But it's back. I didn't change anything, just switched back and forth views using a different method this time and it magically showed back up. Working in CS6. Just before it re-appeared, I was using the graphic equalizer, then jjumped into the stereo imagery options for a moment, but didn't use it. Then used the upper right corner workspace selector to select the edit (from multitrack) workspace. Then there it is.
Thanks for the great Tutorials! I would like to ask you Mr. Curtis, if you can teach us, (well I'm sure, I'm not the only looking for this tutorial :)) ), How to duck the music under the Voice Over the same way they do on TV documentaries. Thank you! I don't think it is similar to podcast ducking.
Here is one tutorial which may help: th-cam.com/video/fvUn8l30VLc/w-d-xo.html Best wishes!
I'm getting quality loss when doing this, am I doing something wrong?
What about if my recording sounds like they're muffled and talking into a metal can? I might have over done a Noise Reduction a few saves ago.
That sounds like too much noise reduction, yes.
What is the best way to extrapolate this in an efficient manner across an hour-long recording?
A leveling plugin may help.
@@curtisjudd thanks!
Can you please do a video on, "Phantom power to lav mics" and a DIY solution to provide phantom power to a lav mic.
Thanks and Great videos!
+Fazal828 Sure, but please give me more information on your setup? Most lavalier microphones need plugin power (3-10V) rather than phantom power (48V). Thanks.
+Curtis Judd I bought the MicJ 044 after watching your video, it has the Sennheiser locking plug so It is supposed to work with smartphones and computers but whenever I plug it in my voice is a bit low and the surrounding noise is more than I'd like. is there something I'm doing wrong? :D Thanks again for all the help!
+Fazal828 Ah, ok, I don't think you need phantom power, just need to know which types of plugs work with which devices. Smart phones almost always need a mic with a TRRS plug. The Sennheiser locking plug is a TRS plug. You might find this episode helpful: th-cam.com/video/n6C6yzt2Hgc/w-d-xo.html I hope that helps!
+Curtis Judd Oh I guess I missed that one! Thank you so much :D
If -16 is the peak for a -19 LUFS reference is the range for a podcast, what should be the range for a dcp, which will be seen and heard under controlled conditions in a theater? Would it be -21 peak for -24 LUFS reference (as in a dcp)? If so what should be the range for dialogue? 10 db? more? less?
Hi Keith, sorry for the confusion - let me clarify. -16 LUFS is the target I recommend for stereo content for online. -19 LUFS is the equivalent for mono audio. dB true peak should be -1.5dBTP in all cases, whether for online or DCP. As we discussed on the other video, this is just my recommendation, I don't believe there are universally accepted standards for theater and I don't work in that area.
@@LearnLightAndSoundSessions Ok, so true peak would read -1.5 on my meters when I have the reference set to -24 LUFS? or is this over my head?
That is correct - dBTP should be at -1.5 or lower when you normalize to -24 LUFS. This may require some compression to achieve that.
but when i try increasing the volume,the background noise increases concomitantly even after putting noise removals!
Yes, true. Need to start with a clean recordings which may require some changes to the recording process and post noise removal.
But d place where i live,people honk a LOT! So what are d changes i can implement?
Ah, you may want to consider a microphone with a more directional polar/pickup pattern. Which microphone do you use at present?
Curtis Judd Samson GO mic
I don't see match volume anywhere!!!! PLEASE HELP
+Justin AvaMolifua best to contact Adobe support.
I'm assuming match volume has been changed to match loudness in 2020.
Yes
Broadcast audio is between -6 and -12. I set all of mine to -5 because it gives 4 decibels of wiggle room and cannot be discerned from -6 or so. Those who do not set for the industry standard gain is the reason I keep having to turn my volume down/up for every video on the web.
In most countries, they have shifted to using LUFS or LKFS and max true peak standards.
@@curtisjudd, so, exactly what I said except that some websites dictate, erroneously, that -1 is max peak but leaves no wiggle room to prevent clipping.
@@KaptainCanuck the loudness standard in LUFS or LKFS is what drives perceived loudness, not dBTP stats.
@@curtisjudd, I have understood they are identicle standards overall: "LUFS is a newer standard for measuring loudness and is considered as the most accurate. In practical applications, LUs are equal to decibels. Amplifying audio by 2dB is the same as raising its volume by 2 Loudness Units. The same applies for LUFS units" Being identical, how can one be "more accurate?
@@KaptainCanuck It depends on how LONG the waveform sustains its amplitude. The problem with just measuring max peak values is that it doesn't account for sustain. That's what LUFS and LKFS take into account.
Dialog. You should put that in the title
Done. Thanks.
what's the difference of using "Amplify" vs "Clip Gain" vs "Normalize"? Adobe Audition has too many ways to do the same thing which always confused me
everything you've done on this video can be simplify using the "Speech Volume Leveler", see... another method to produce the same output, so many different ways to produce the same result.
Hi Marcus, they're actually not all exactly the same. There are some nuances and different times when you might like to use each.
Amplify and Normalize are similar in that they increase the amplitude of every sample (that's the over-simplified version).
Clip gain is used to amplify or attenuate individual parts of a clip so you can make a very soft section louder while not changing the rest of the clip. Speech Volume Leveler uses an algorithm to run through a clip and try to automatically make the quiet sections louder and the louder sections quieter. This sometimes works well, but not always. I generally stay away from the leveler as the results can often end up sounding rather unnatural. Hope that helps!
@@curtisjudd
Hi Curtis,
I've used Adobe Audition for quite some time, but I always felt not very convince with the method I use.
Now you have cleared my doubt.
Thank you for the clear explanation. 😊