My Atari 2600+ review! | Who is this made for?
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- Recently, Atari sent me the Atari 2600+ for review and this is it that video!
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nintendo, sony, microsoft and steam been real quiet since this dropped.
Steam Deck OLED dropping tomorrow, it's so over
it's so grover@@yeahboi1286
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Interesting comment. But you're a weirdo
Not really, this thing has almost no upsides besides the HDMI port.
The number of people (here on TH-cam), claiming they lost their Atari 2600 in a house move, is unbelievable! Are you kidding me!?? The first thing I’d pack, and place in the car, is my Atari collection!
The ending clip with Tommy, the perfect snippet lol.
His mother is very proud.
See, this is what the Amico could’ve been, had Tommy not wasted all of the money and lied.
A mini intellivsion console was already made years ago so he would have been late to that party as well.
Supposedly a second Intellivision flashback was cancelled because Tommy bought the company to make Amico.
The other Tommy (Tomy) also just sent a real robot to the actual moon...
Honestly, I would buy it just to play Berserk, due its dark IRL story.
what dark IRL story ?
One positive thing about the emulation is an issue that I've run across with my original Atari 2600. Due to the limitations of the number of sprites that the Atari could produce on the screen simultaneously, the way the programmers got around that was to make the various sprites blink on and off quickly. It would fool the eye into thinking that more than only a couple sprites were on the screen at the same time. If there were a lot of sprites blinking on that screen, you would notice it as flashing, and the sprites turning kind of transparent. This is very obvious in Pac Man with the ghosts blinking and flashing, and in Asteroids. This blinking sprites on and off was no problem for old TV sets because they could draw the screen really fast. Most modern flat screen TV's just don't have the ability to draw and re-draw the screen fast enough. On my flat screen TV, playing games like Asteroids, and Defender (if there's a lot of ships) is physically impossible. And the ghosts in Pac Man just... randomly disappear for extended periods of time. It's like they randomly become invisible and visible again for several seconds at a time. The ONLY way I can play many of the Atari 2600 games on my flat screen TV is by using an emulator.
Thanks for that info! I'm about to test a couple of methods I've seen online of connecting an original 2600 to a flat screen so I'll keep a lookout for that.
The sprites produced by a CRT TV - ghosts in Pac-Man, for example - ‘slowly’ fade with each pass of the TV tube electron beam. This characteristic of a CRT, was exploited by programmers.
This is not only exagerrated, but not a real issue at all. Most (good) games on Atari deals very carefully with flickering (all activision titles for example).
@@roadkill_52 Agreed. I don't see why this would be a problem on modern TV's. I think the OP is having a different issue.
There's actually a compatibility matrix on the 2600+ homepage. There's a number of games that just straight-up don't work by their own admission, which is shocking, quite frankly. It's a console made by the people who own the patents and rights to the original hardware. There is nothing standing in their way except for competency.
Frankly, I think I'm going with the Flashback 50th anniersary and just loading roms. If this had been an FPGA console, or even an emulation system that runs EVERY Atari game, I'd get it.
But if we're talkign software emulation anyway, I'd prefer something with a good menu and other options.
FPGA would have increased cost demonstrably. I do think they should work with Analogue and make one for guys like us that would pay a premium price for a premium product.
@@aaronhiggsit's a console that plays Atari cartridges and nothing else. That's a very niche market of retro enthusiasts. I guarantee you that the target market for this is going to be more enclined to buy something that emulates through hardware than software, and actually runs the entire catalog. This thing is effectively a Retron 77 with a pretty shell.
It wouldn't surprise me if Analogue took note and finally created an Atari FPGA.
The problem is that the original hardware had so many quirks that the most extreme developers exploited to the max in their customised cartridges, and those are not necessarily emulate-able in this thing.
It's mad that there's a fail in the compatibility matrix for RealSports Boxing, as that was a first party game and is in Atari 50. I have the original cart. I only have about a dozen but that's still disappointing.
I had heard complaints about the emulator chosen. Maybe it will get updated somehow, but not holding my breath.
I am still looking forward to picking one up, but I know the smarter option would have been Mister FPGA or something.
One thing you failed to mention in your Mega SG comparison was price. That's definitely a nicer machine but it's also nearly twice the price and that's if you can even get ahold of one.
I think there's a market for this and I'm glad it exists for those that are interested in it.
This is 100% true. I can't remember exactly but I think the MEGA SG wasn't far off £300. Great point!
Another mistake is that Analogue’s consoles aren’t emulation, they’re shamelessly lying to people about the nature of their products. It’s a different solution, hardware emulation. The person who created higan, the near perfectly accurate SNES emulator, wrote an easy to understand explanation on why hardware emulation isn’t inherently superior to software emulation. The explanation went down with his site, if anyone wants to confirm what I’m saying talk to the MiSTer crowd. The MiSTer developers are doing FPGA emulators for far cheaper.
Thanks for the video, well produced as always. I would point out one omission though. The Atari 2600+ does not support SD Card based multi-carts. A lot of people have these for their Atari consoles, and while they are fine on original hardware, they cannot work on emulation systems like the 2600+. You really should have mentioned this as not addressing it will have a lot of people buying it, not knowing that their multi-carts will not work with it.
Just hearted your comment. Hopefully more people see it. Sorry for not mentioning it, I could only test what I had for the system.
This kind of skews the target market for this even more. Who still uses original console hardware but doesn't want an Everdrive cart anywhere near it?
Well quite. I do have a fair number of 2600 and 7800 carts though, so the 2600 + does appeal. I also saw it at PAX West this year and could not help but be impressed.@@dantootill
just stick with the atari flashback 9 or the retron 77 at this point since those can play games off SD cards
Of course multicarts won't work, it's just a rom dumper with a built in emulator. So all it can grab is the data for the menu. It's why the two multicarts they released use dipswitches.
THIS is the review I've been waiting for: complete and to-the-point with actual real-world testing. I grew up with the 2600 and I still have one that works and two more untested that are in storage (not to mention a box full of cartridges) so I needed a video like this to help me decide if buying this system was worth it.
Mate, it's too early to have your Christmas tree up.
Festive bakes now for sale at Greggs, so it is officially time
Oh, you /Dare To Be Stupid/ @@wreckgar23 ?
@@Stomski tis the season of mince pies and festive bakes. Sod santa - this is one long pie fest now
My first console was an ATARI emulator. I didn't know at the time, but all the games were there and they were ATARI. For me it was just a console bought in a flea market quite cheap with some crappy games. I enjoyed it very much, until I had a Master System some time later.
I find it impressive the comeback that Atari is making hell I’ve got the Atari 50 collection and I thought it was great
It was great because they outsourced the development to a great team.
TBH I have been buying the tiny 20 dollar micro arcade game cards from Amazon like crazy, not sure why it is so enjoyable to have a tiny card to play Frogger but it is.
I wouldn't call it a comeback, unless you mean since all the crap that the VCS fairly or unfairly got.
yes, totally surprised
Yeah not so much of a comeback, rather they are dining out on their glory days while it's in vogue - and good luck to them.
This is exactly what I wanted and needed. Can't wait to get mine in.
I already have a perfectly good Atari throwback device. It's called the Atari 50th Anniversary Collection on Switch and it's glorious
The 50th also has Lynx and Jaguar games. 👍
I've never had a working 2600/OG VCS before and was thinking of getting myself a 2600 Jr (mainly because they're way cheaper than a Woody or Vader where I live), but now I'm thinking a 2600+ might be more suitable.
BTW the ending of this video cracked me up. 🤣
Daniel, love the way your kids are involved with your channel and the care you speak to your son with when he is using the stiff controller. Top parenting my friend!!
It's great to see Atari back, and kicking Tommy's ass! XD (Also, I miss playing Street Racer with actual paddle controllers.)
It’s good to see that Atari have updated their compatibility list - a number of games that were previously untested are now listed at “pass” - including a number of the multicart titles such as Activision Super Hit Pak & Rad Action Pak - which I did not think would be possible with the 2600+
Fantastic review. Chefs kiss for that ending. Perfection.
Great Video mate need to come try this.
How does the emulation on the 2600+ compare to the Retron 77?
I am intrigued by the 2600+ but I am not sure if it's worth getting just for 7800 games.
Looks awesome. I still have my 2600 & 7800 (2600 VCS/ 2600 Jr) I don't know if I need this 😂 looks great. Thanks for the review
It was good to see both the pro's and con's with the console and I might actually have to try to pick up one of these, the 2600 is one of those consoles I have wanted since I first heard about it as a kid/teenager thanks to the AVGN. Ofc I would prefer to have an actual retro 2600 but hooo boy retro games and consoles in Sweden get super expensive for some reason so this 2600+ might be a nice little way of getting to own a 2600 ^_^
Thanks for the review 😊 just wondering if you tested any PAL games? I think perhaps Asteroids was PAL? Any issues with colours not rendering properly. I have an atari 2600+ on pre-order and will pick it up tomorrow. So keen.
Love the review! I myself went with the Atari Pro Version. it was cheaper and came with an SD card option. I just dont see myself collecting old Carts and if I did Id want an original 2600 so The version I got works best for me. Thanks for the video!
I wish Sega would do the same thing with the Sega Master System. Good on Atari for taking this step. I've got one on the way!
Not something I would ever want but it sounds like it does what it's supposed to
The main thing I remember from the Atari 2600 back in 1983 (when I was 4 years old!) was Pitfall! 😁
I was *_OBSESSED_* with that game as a young child!
When I hit 6 years old in 1985 I got a Spectrum 48k, then the 128k+2 a few years later!
Always wanted a NES but my parents complained that console games were too expensive!
So I ended up upgrading to an Amiga 500, then Amiga 500+, and then finally an Amiga 1200. And I loved them all!
Really finally, I then went to the Sony PlayStation, 1, 2, 3, 4 and now 5...
Sorry, just a random ramble!
I was 12 in 1977 when this actually released. It was amazing then, but I honestly don’t see why anybody wants it now? Why would I want to use this over my steam deck?
See I was thinking about this and I am glad you posted this cause I don't think this would be for me. Thanks for that!
Glad it was helpful!
Love the ending with intellivision amico ,Tommy 😂
We see who won here don't we . And hope they recharge all the games for the younger generation like my self .
Have a great evening.
Weirdly my 11 year old son has been talking about wanting one of these. I'm torn because I'm a bit of a techy maker type and I'm formulating a plan to stick a Raspberry Pi into an Atari Flashback shell, which will play pretty much every game ever made pre-2000 - which will give him a thousand times the amount of play and fun compared to this, beautiful as it is.
But on the other hand I don't want him disappointed when it's not exactly what he asked for. 🤔
Would be a shame to deny the kid the thrill of the hunt.
It brings me joy that you give so much love to local retro stores.
great video, Slope! ...though, I would have loved to see you try an Activision game on it. Those are all my favorites.
I would’ve jumped on this if it used FPGA and not emulation. Some games not working, having to dump the games to be played and then the biggest killer when it comes to emulation, input lag. Just yesterday my mate was telling me about how he was struggling to beat some sections of a SNES game on his Switch. Told him to come over and play it on my original hardware so he did. Had no issues beating it.
As far as USB controllers, did you try a USB-C OTG splitter? Also there IS an internal USB port on the main SoC board (which has the HDMI port). It's a USB Micro-B port on the side of that main dark colored PCB facing the console's left side. Likely used for flashing the main PCB. There is also a button on that PCB you probably need to hold in while powering on to put it into flash mode. ;)
Thank you for this, I think the VCS is more what I want but wouldn't have known without this.
They tend to get the controller/joystick all wrong, same with the C64mini/max.
The C64 Max had a slightly better clicky-stick but the actual stick itself still gets stuck. Luckily I got the Amiga Mini and it came with a control pad that works on the C64mini/maxi _(For some reason most USB controllers are not supported fully by the C64, it will completely ignore buttons even if you set things up manually)_
So no USB? That's rough, I thought this would be more homebrew friendly (I guess a custom cartridge with USB slot could fix it)
Have my original that I got on release...along with about 100 games. I loved the 2600 when it came out.
This is as good a review as one can do, especially for this Gen-X’er!
well, except for, it's not, lol. I've watched all the reviews and this is probably the worst one. He didn't even attempt to play 7800 games. Other reviews got into compatibility with third party controllers, how to make the genesis controllers work, multi-carts, homebrews, and actually tested various games and told us which ones didn't work. He didn't even try cleaning his carts. In fact this guy's whole shtick seems to be he sounds like Robin Leach. Anyway, make youtube content with clickbaity negative titles you deserve what you get
You can play the old system. On the flat screen there's a dapper for it. And I played on my Calico Vision. My flat screen right now
Apologies, I did try Mr run and jump on the new system. For some reason I didn't add the footage, but yes, it worked. Although weirdly I played the game much better on the new system
have you had issues with food fight and joust? ive read the pal version has issues playing certain games.Which is weird as its emulated so it should be the same for all regions.
Of the games you tried that didn’t work were they listed as playable on the compatibility chart on the product page?
Can’t wait for mine to arrive. The only affordable retro legacy console to collect for as well
When video games started to be a thing my TV was a 12" black and white and my console was pong only. So I am insane about having big expensive TVs because my backup TV was a 5" portable...yeah never again
perfect... my old 2600 died few weeks before its 40th birthday and i've been lazy and never got to go out to catch one on the wild... getting this delivered to my door and finally get my old cartridges out again...
I thought those switches on the back for the compilation carts were interesting. Looks as if they operate like some kind of code for playing each game. Btw, did you try one of the new games on the original 2600?
Yes I did. All play fine
@@slopesgameroom I think you forgot to mention that :D
Slopes, how about the Megadrive controller? Does that work on the plus?
The price of the games isn't far off what the games originally cost when it first came out. Maybe wait for the multi-game carts unless you want to be paying collector's prices on Ebay (yes already!) Our family had an Atari 2600 for nine years and eventually we ended up with 22 games for it. Last one I got was Double Dragon in 1990
I am so glad to hear that it is called the “2600+”. When I was a kids it was called either the “Atari” or the “2600”. Over the past few years, TH-camrs have taken to calling it the “VCS”. My next soapbox is about people calling the original Gameboy the “DMG”.
Live ripping real cartridges for emulation is the kind of awkward middle ground that never appealed to me and looks like this won't change my mind either. I bet an old fashioned 2600 clone just with HDMI out in the same pretty replica case would've appealed to way more people.
Okay, so, 46 years after 1977 in two days time from the release of a video that came out 5 days ago.... WHY ARE YOU MAKING ME DO HOMEWORK?!
Great review but I was hoping you would try the new controllers and carts on the original system!
Very niche device and overpriced for what it is, especially considering there are those flashback devices, some of which use cloned hardware rather than emulation and have pretty much the entire library on them as well as being far cheaper. Having compatibility problems is inexcusable at the price they are asking.
Also, a christmas tree in November? sacrilege lol
It's one of my 3 Xmas trees up... So far
I shop at Level Up Games! I bought my copies of Lilo & Stitch for the GBA, Ghostbusters for the PSP and Rhino Rumble for the GBC there!
Who is this aimed at exactly? The late 40s to early 50s age range? Flip, I remember Christmas 1979 seeing Atari 2600s on the shelf behind the counter at Woolworths begging my dad for one that Christmas. Never got one, my dad couldn't afford it on his wage. It was £200 back then and the games were £30 each. My dad's workmate had an Atari with Combat, Space Invaders, and Night Driver(later Pacman, less said about that the better). Borrowed it a few times in the early 80s before he sold it and got a Vextrex(those things are worth a small fortune now).
Still have an Atari 2600 that I bought off eBay over a decade ago. The box is in a tatty condition so spent about £60 on a replacement box off Esty. An exact replica with internal cardboard packaging. Looks just like the original box.
I'm glad I can finally play it with the stuff I have and don't need to get adaptors or...our old one fixed
LED: You're too old
CRT: Yet, I can make video gaming much more fun
I have just completed testing all of my 2600 & 7800 games. Tested 55 Atari 2600 games which all worked. Also tested 13 Atari 7800 games. I am in PAL region. The games that failed were Xevious, Food Fight, Crossbow, Ms Pac Man, Choplifter & Joust. The games that passed were Alien Brigade, Centipede, Desert Falcon, Dig Dug, Galaga, One on One Basketball & Pole Position II.
Did you clean the cartridge contacts?
I'll stick to my VCS joystick and Atari 50 on Steam for my fix. Though I did pre-order a CX40+ which came in yesterday and yeah, it's stiff. Way stiffer than the sticks that came with some AtGames Atari Flashback (I wanna say the Flashback 8, whichever was one of the last ones before they went to HDMI).
But yeah, it's nice to see Atari back on track. Though, it's not in the way Tommy Tallarico hoped 🤣
Thanks for the video, just ordered Gamestation Pro instead.
My big question is if the vcs has been discontinued. I like that box.
From my own experience, the 2600+ is fine for what it is. I'm glad to see an official retro console that actually uses the cartridges meant for the original system (or systems, counting the 7800 - no luck for the 5200 and XEGS so far).
What I'd really like to see as a follow-up is a similar console for Jaguar games (or a XEGS/5200 one)
You’re telling me this console is $100 dollars and it DOESN’T include “Custer’s Revenge”?!?!
I just got one, but haven’t cracked her open yet. 40 years ago, my friend gave me an old console that didn’t power up and 50 cartridges, plus a bunch of controllers. So it sat in the box for 40 years.
I heard that even if you do go through the effort of connecting a legacy console to a modern TV, the pixelation is horrible.
4:46 HDMI2AV users with CRTs: 😶
It would have been very good to include and compare the Atari Flash back 2 with the 2600 on a chip inside vs. the emulation.
A game that would be interesting to test on this is pitfall 2 as it has a custom audio chip
John Hancock tested it on his channel and it does not work at the moment. Maybe a firmware update will fix these compatibility issues.
Level Up are awesome. Always pop in when I'm down that way
Honestly the best selling point for this (to me personally) is the 7800 compatibility. I just wish it were using an FPGA instead of emulation.
Also, does it work with the Genesis/ Mega Drive controller? I never use the official joystick when I play my 2600 (or Gemini, but that's a different story).
A simple feature that would have sold me on this completely would be the ability to save high scores. Stella can do it on some games now.
I believe some of the games have extra rom chips in them and those dont get dumped properly in some emulators
Hi, I havent read all the comments, so i dont know if anyone else brought this up yet, but the 2600+ can also play 7800 games as well!
No Dragster, no sale. It is literally the only videogame my father actually played in his entire life. I played it a couple of years ago on a Raspberry Pi and it still has a satisfying control scheme and level of competition for something so primitive.
I never had a 2600 per se, but I had an "expansion module" for my Colecovision that played every 2600 game...
Atari doesn't have the rights to Dragster unfortunately, as it's an Activision title.
I'm confused. So I can't play my old dragster cartridge on a 2600+
@@scringe1 This can absolutely play the 2600 Dragster cartridge, if you have it. But, unless they make a licensing deal, Atari won't be able to sell any Activision titles as "new" cartridges (like they did with Berzerk Enhanced Edition), or include Activision games with any of their offerings like the 2600+ 10-in-1 pack-in, "Atari 50", Flashback Classics, or the Atari Gamestation Pro.
I get it now. Hopefully, they get the license worked out.
@@scringe1 My personal hope is that the rights holders (Activision aka Blizzard) allow Digital Eclipse (now owned by Atari) to make an updated version of Activision Anthology - which came out 20 years ago! They are well up to the task of making it great. I'm not holding my breath, though.
Had been wondering about the length of the controller cable. Shame that those aren't wireless. Who is sitting in front of the TV for gaming these days?
Seeing your son having trouble with the joystick reminded me of how many times I broke mine on the original system! 😢
Luckily I quickly descovered a company selling refurbishment kits. 😊
So by enhanced Bezerk, you mean it works on first turn on? No more toggling on/off while moving the cartridge to get it to run?
Also, does the Arcadia Supercharger work on the 2600+?
Berzerk Enhanced includes the robots voice and they shoot diagonal at the player also now
Are there any new game variants on there? Just curious..
nice to see all these Retro devices nowadays! Regarding the "hard pixels" I'm on the other side, BUT provided filters are often not good enough to make them worth activating. Especially cheap alpha-png-type-scanline masks without any additional render passes are not good enough in my eyes. They make the picture just darker (which is not the case in the real thing) and look often just boring and not credible. The best thing I found so far is on PC with the crt-royale in ReShade. That thing makes a lot of a difference! It simulates the glow, color abberations and fringes so nicely. I use the filter now for almost every classic arcade emulation or indie pixel art game. Great examples are Boneraiser Minions, Minit or Death Road to Canada. But also classice Arcade games from the 80s are looking much better with it. It turns modern LED/OLED screens into much more appealing retro-style devices for all pixaleted games. The filter looks so much better than the simple "just-mask-type-filters". But there is a caveat, crt-royale needs a lot of rendering performance, which is often not available in these weak emulation SOCs. I wish there would be a device like the Mcbazel which you can put in between the emulation device and the TV to simulate advanced CRT effects like that.
finally! can't wait to play E.T. again!!
Love Atari. Glad to see releasing this. Great for collectors, and a fun console to introduce to a new audience.
Has anyone tried running a Starpath Supercharger and its games on the 2600+? The compatibility PDF Atari provides lists them as "Untested", likely because the device itself requires a cassette player to run the actual games.
Had a good laugh at that potshot at the very end
I still have a few heavy sixers and a few Atari Jr's. I only use the Jr since I'm not going to care if it breaks
100$ for this is tempting but I wish the base model had the paddle(s) included. That's one gap for the retro game scene that's needed filling for awhile.
Lets hope the new ones hold up over time too.
Can you connect Genesis controllers to it?
Ok I love the little yellow reliant
Does the Easter egg work on Adventure on the Plus?
Good review! Although I have a couple working 2600s and several carts, I lost all interest in this product as soon as I found out it was emulation based. I have multiple FPGA systems from Analogue that also accept original hardware and are far more capable (amazing with flash carts). If this product had been made like those, I would have bought one even at an appropriately higher price. Do love the look though.
Faulty cart might be trying to read the Rom too fast ? Different Rom chips might have different minimum access times. Though even if you read it at 100khz it wouldn’t notice on a slow boot.
Popeye uses a Parker Bros specific bankswitch scheme, so it's likely related to that. Time Pilot also has a quirk with it's bankswitch logic. (the banks were reversed, compared to other titles with the same scheme)
Imagine being in 2023 and having to wait 15secs to load a game released in 1982.
Wait 15 seconds!? Hell we have to wait 15 HOURS to play a 2023 game!
Haha touche@@polycube868
The return of the Atari 2600/7800 with this new Atari game console is basically to video games what the return of vinyl records was to music...
More retro inspired games hopefully
Did I hear you correctly? You can play the old original cartridge games on it?!
The only console my family ever had! Oh man 😅
Last time I saw the Atari logo was Asterix at the Olympic Games on PS2, good to know they're still alive
This isn't that same Atari, just yet another company that bought the name. Which makes them something like the 9,000th owner
@@hwogrillo So life support then?
@@JargonMadjin In all fairness, this iteration of Atari seems a lot healthier than most of the previous owners. I can't imagine them ever returning to anything resembling their glory days, but they're at least doing something.
@@hwogrillo I see
One thing you didn’t test: Sega Megadrive/Genesis controllers. They actually work on the Atari, I used my Genesis joystick on my Atari when I last owned it because it was much better than the original joysticks.
I'm guessing its a Pi in there or something? Or did Atari ask you not to talk about that?I watched a retroRecipes episode and he was told not to talk about the innards of the 500 mini pre release.I know its not the slant your channel generally goes anyway...just curious. :)
Did you mention that it also plays 7800 games? That is a great reason right there to have one.
That is correct
A Christmas tree in mid November?! Whatever is the world coming to. I remember the original and the days that it comes from and there is nothing about this that even tingles the nostalgia button to make me feel like parting with my money. So many of these will be dust gatherers once the appeal wears off and you realise that very few original games stand up to being played today.
You got One More Time on vinyl? Nice lol. Good video also.
Hahaha yep :D
I wish they'd do this for the VECTREX... I miss my old veccy...