Love your content and I appreciate your contribution to the community. Unfortunately do to the amount of frustration and punishment this season I am removing all my subs from my TH-cam. I get so much anxiety and frustration from M+ and the 8 +10 keys, 90 crests, and the dozens of hours needed just to have a spot on a raid team or to get into a raid team. Gearing is not enjoyable and I've left a couple guilds just because of how they distribute gear. I spend 20 minutes getting into keys and then they fail. After a couple hours of having other people fail the key I am overwhelmingly frustrated and I cannot outplay other players failures. M+ is too punishing and required too much. I hate spending hours getting no reward every week and then filling my vault just to be disappointed. I need to take a break and I'm removing all my subs just so I dont' get reminded of the game. I'll probably come back when things change, but for now I need to purge this punishing game out of my life. Thank you for all you do big dawg
I'd say that pandaland had a big impact on the season 4 drop off as well - I know my server essentially turned into a ghost town when pandaland dropped, and pugging has been a nightmare since!
I've been tanking on my paladin, returning after not playing for a good chunk of the expansion, and my lord I feel borderline helpless... I'm just under 500 ilvl, and 4s/5s feel like I'm fighting for my fuckin life out there. I like to think I'm decent at tanking, know my rotation, active mitigation is up, cds are being used frequently, and yet I am getting spit roasted by these fuckin mobs, while my tab key gets a leg day workout as I'm frantically trying to maintain aggro as everyone splits dps to a different mob, and get as many important interrupts off as possible, and then you got Joseph Blo out here like "here tank, 2 more pulls while you've got nothing off cd, you're welcome." I feel like I'm drowning in a sea of my own mediocrity and in season 2 I was doing 20s-22s perfectly fine.. I'm not saying we are wiping, and most of the time the keys are timed unless dps is.... lacking... But fuck am I putting in some blood, sweat, and tears to make this shit work... Judging by the video, it might not just be me? Squishadin is just the vibe I guess?
@nolabets3130 4s drop 499? You shouldn't need to be fully geared in a specific mythic + level gear just to move up 1 level, and I'm just under 500. I get 3ilvl upgrades from +4s, I shouldn't be getting my cheeks spread by every gnoll with a snout in Brackenhide
Underrated comment. 10/10 and I’ve notice some paladin tanks either get nuked or I don’t have to worry about them at all almost as a healer in lower keys
At what dungeon M+ level does the meta tier lists start to matter? Let's say, a group with average skill and each player playing one of the lower meta classes, do you think they would be able to complete dungeons 20+, 15+?
i played D tier prot war and did 20+ the very first week of dragonflight at around 20+ it starts to matter otherwise it dosnt matter all that does is how well the person can play their spec
@@WrightAid there is a good video on how the Aug evoker is also decreasing build diversity for the other roles too. I can't remember why exactly but they showed it with math. They showed group comps every season through DF and diversity plummeted hard when the Aug came out.
It's hard to balance the spec is the issue, because there is a decent skill gap. So they can't nerf it much or it's worthless for 98% of the playerbase.
I do almost the same dmg as elemental and survival...Those lists are all pretty tendencious and repetitive...Anything new to bring, you all mix popularity or constancy in keys with the dps os capacity itself
"Man who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt man doing it" Any class and any spec can go 3-3.5k with pug only. Metaslaves are just lames and the smarter part of the community just jokes on them.
@@plomteauxshaunful for who? there is nothing educational in this video. He's just ranking them based on how many of them are in high keys this season. Idk what to say if you actually watch this for entertainment
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so have you guys just completely quit on the m+ content?
Hey ! I'm the frost dk guy!
Love your content and I appreciate your contribution to the community. Unfortunately do to the amount of frustration and punishment this season I am removing all my subs from my TH-cam. I get so much anxiety and frustration from M+ and the 8 +10 keys, 90 crests, and the dozens of hours needed just to have a spot on a raid team or to get into a raid team. Gearing is not enjoyable and I've left a couple guilds just because of how they distribute gear. I spend 20 minutes getting into keys and then they fail. After a couple hours of having other people fail the key I am overwhelmingly frustrated and I cannot outplay other players failures. M+ is too punishing and required too much. I hate spending hours getting no reward every week and then filling my vault just to be disappointed. I need to take a break and I'm removing all my subs just so I dont' get reminded of the game. I'll probably come back when things change, but for now I need to purge this punishing game out of my life.
Thank you for all you do big dawg
I'd say that pandaland had a big impact on the season 4 drop off as well - I know my server essentially turned into a ghost town when pandaland dropped, and pugging has been a nightmare since!
yeap, since mop remix, i quit retail
HEY THAT FAEROLICIOUS GUY IS MY DK!!! LETS GO FAERO !!!
I've been tanking on my paladin, returning after not playing for a good chunk of the expansion, and my lord I feel borderline helpless... I'm just under 500 ilvl, and 4s/5s feel like I'm fighting for my fuckin life out there. I like to think I'm decent at tanking, know my rotation, active mitigation is up, cds are being used frequently, and yet I am getting spit roasted by these fuckin mobs, while my tab key gets a leg day workout as I'm frantically trying to maintain aggro as everyone splits dps to a different mob, and get as many important interrupts off as possible, and then you got Joseph Blo out here like "here tank, 2 more pulls while you've got nothing off cd, you're welcome." I feel like I'm drowning in a sea of my own mediocrity and in season 2 I was doing 20s-22s perfectly fine.. I'm not saying we are wiping, and most of the time the keys are timed unless dps is.... lacking... But fuck am I putting in some blood, sweat, and tears to make this shit work... Judging by the video, it might not just be me? Squishadin is just the vibe I guess?
whats your secondary stat prio look like?
@insomniac7532 haste is far away highest, vers and mastery are within a couple hundred, crit is lowest
@@Oneshtforfunyour ilvl is too low
@nolabets3130 4s drop 499? You shouldn't need to be fully geared in a specific mythic + level gear just to move up 1 level, and I'm just under 500. I get 3ilvl upgrades from +4s, I shouldn't be getting my cheeks spread by every gnoll with a snout in Brackenhide
Underrated comment. 10/10 and I’ve notice some paladin tanks either get nuked or I don’t have to worry about them at all almost as a healer in lower keys
Guys come back and tell me what class to play for war within because I can't form my own opinion
I love your mythic plus videos thank you ❤
"...very hard to displace from the top keys" I love the mage puns!
pretty accurate, but in short everything is S tier up until +19-20s.
At what dungeon M+ level does the meta tier lists start to matter? Let's say, a group with average skill and each player playing one of the lower meta classes, do you think they would be able to complete dungeons 20+, 15+?
i played D tier prot war and did 20+ the very first week of dragonflight at around 20+ it starts to matter otherwise it dosnt matter all that does is how well the person can play their spec
Ayyy it's me, Kretyn! :D
Blizzard please delete Aug evoker or turn it into a tank.
Why? Lol
@@WrightAidWith its current kit you must always get an Aug for higher keys. It will be this way no matter what season or expansion.
@@WrightAid there is a good video on how the Aug evoker is also decreasing build diversity for the other roles too. I can't remember why exactly but they showed it with math. They showed group comps every season through DF and diversity plummeted hard when the Aug came out.
It's hard to balance the spec is the issue, because there is a decent skill gap. So they can't nerf it much or it's worthless for 98% of the playerbase.
@@zerolosi the answer is delete it and turn the third spec into a tank. It makes so much sense.
We need more videos
Frost imo is stronger then unholy, bcs of the massive aoe stun
I find fire mage tough to play.
Demo lock B teir how? Explain
They literally explained in the video.
I do almost the same dmg as elemental and survival...Those lists are all pretty tendencious and repetitive...Anything new to bring, you all mix popularity or constancy in keys with the dps os capacity itself
Aug is that spec that sucks for 99% of the playerbase but that 1%
No monk heal?
th-cam.com/video/c1cfhsE2pAc/w-d-xo.html
nobody talks about it except IZEN!
No one cares.
I’ll save viewers some time
Veng, rdru, spriest, aug, mage. No point playing anything else you won’t get invited
"Man who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt man doing it" Any class and any spec can go 3-3.5k with pug only. Metaslaves are just lames and the smarter part of the community just jokes on them.
@@gbp76gru89 and what’s the point in going 3k? You can play non meta, list your own key and then fotm clowns will deplete it first pull
zzzzz
Tier lists...smh
Eh, they’re fun.
@@plomteauxshaunful for who? there is nothing educational in this video. He's just ranking them based on how many of them are in high keys this season. Idk what to say if you actually watch this for entertainment
These guys don't know sheeeeeeeeet. Just sayin
doubt any1 cares
Cared enough to comment and push the video
@@fearl3ss514 and also u 😂
@@bikeomatic8005 I didn't comment because I was bothered by a video. We're not the same my guy
@@fearl3ss514 welcome back 🤣
@@bikeomatic8005 really convinced you're doing something here, huh? i wouldn't wanna be your therapist