No5 MkI Enfield "Jungle Carbine"
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The No.5 MkI Enfield, commonly called the "jungle carbine" is nearly the shortest-lived rifle in British military service. Introduced in 1944, they were declared obsolete in 1947 as the result of insoluble accuracy problems. The guns were originally developed from regular No4 Enfield rifles with the goal of producing a shorter and lighter variant for paratroops. This was done by shortening the barrel, adding a flash hider, and making lightening cuts in several places on the barrel and receiver (which were the cause of the problems that doomed the gun).
Not all No.5 rifles produced developed problems, and they were certainly handier than the regular Enfield rifles. They are noted for kicking harder, of course, and this is not really helped by the narrow rubber buttpad they came with (most of which are nice and hard today).
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A lesser man would've edited out the bit where you get rim lock immediately after saying "that ensures that you won't get rim lock." I applaud your honesty.
Interestingly the Bloke did a video on Enfield rimlock. The period correct ammo like in this vid is chamfered so that even if rimlock does occur it can be overcome with a little extra push. th-cam.com/video/MOYTdoQkFrM/w-d-xo.html
Britannic hayyomatt I wouldn’t comment on American weapon handling drills but yes with the L85A2 when you make the weapon ready and chamber the first round you do a forward assist to ensure the bolt has fully locked forward.
@Britannic hayyomatt You mean to tell me that people trained with a particular rifle tend to do better than those not familiar with it? Bollocks! Sorry, I don't get to use that (ever).
5.56 nato isn't rimmed though so it doesn't matter as rimlock isnt a problem.
Also slapping/HK/charging handle? Are you on about an mp5? Again modern rimless ammo so no rims on the case to get locked
I carried the No 5 rifle in Malaya, prior to volunteering to take the Bren. The number 5 had a kick like a mule, and the rubber butt did nothing to alleviate it. Previous to being issued with the No 5, I used the number 4 rifle in Europe, I have to say I was a very good shot with it and got the recruits 'Best Shot' award, which someone duly stole. Regarding zeroing and marksmanship, when the distance between the back sight and the foresight on a weapon are quite near together, you do have to work harder for perfection. The number five was not used for long ranges, in the jungle your targets were 10 to 20 yards away or you just fired at the general area that threatened you. Our training with this weapon was mostly small jungle constructed rifle ranges where we fired very quick aimed shots, much of the training was to fire quick shots from the waist, and we did become very good at it. sufficient to say that we won the only communist war that was ever won, and with the No 5, no matter how much we disliked it. I have one fixed under my mantle shelf at home, just for 'old times sake' I struggled hard to get a proper British made rifle, a proper Enflield, I felt it not right to have a foreign one.
I'm taking it your a brit? I don't think the Aussies ever got the mk5 or mk4, our blokes persisted right through ww2 and a bit beyond with the old mk3 SMLE
David George: Greetings, that surprises me, I often saw them with the Owen Gun in Malaya also the Bren, but I never remember seeing them carry SMLI's Perhaps someone on here will tell us?
I'm not sure what Aussies had in Malaya, but in ww2 they never really got anything but the old SMLE as far as rifles go, Remember the 1000 chocos who were sent up the kakoda track and told to stop 10,000 battle hardened japanese troops? they weren't really given anything but brens and SMLEs, no motors, heavy machine guns or anything
Besides recoil, what did soldiers think of the no.5 in general when serving in Malaya? And thanks for your service!
The number 5 was fine and we liked its light weight and hitting power. True to say that with this weapon British 18 and 19 year old National Servicemen won the only communist war that was ever won. We were young and under good leaders, discipline was rigged, comradeship was top notch, I think back and feel that our Jungle skills and drills were real first class tactics. The rifle was fine but only part of the act when we consider; mortars, artillery and area Bombing, however our biggest asset was stealth. Thanks for your interest.
I would happy to be 70 years old and rock hard...
You knucklehead stop disturbing the class!!!
Yup
Thanks for this. Learned to shoot on a No. 4 as a 13-year-old cadet on Hythe Ranges in England. Haven't touched one since 1978, and the sound of that bolt action took me back 50 years. Could almost smell the burnt propellant!
Just love it when you show good old British craftsmanship at it’s best, everything in those day’s was made to last unlike today 🥲. Always a very interesting subject, I tip my hat to you Ian, from a British Army veteran.
My father in law served on New Guinea in WW2. The Enfield jungle carbine was the best rifle available in his opinion. And his weapon of choice. He preferred it over the 03 and the occasional M1. He said it would reach out much farther than one might imagine, and the sights were much better than the others he had available. Grampy loved that rifle.
That's some impressive bolt work there.
+Victor Lourenço yes indeed, especially with the "cock on close" design of the enfield system...something tells me Ian gets a lot of practice :)
@@radguzzi This quick bolt work and cock on close is why the Tommies were able to execute the "Mad Minute".
Especially for freaky south paw.
Not only is he impressive with his BOLT work...yo ought to see him working with his NUTS as well.
Especially for a lefty.
I bought one for $50 (Canadian) about 15 years ago. Laser beam accurate, one of the few that don't have a wondering zero.
I think the cooler climate keeps the wood stable and avoids swell which IMO made the zero wonky in jungle atmospheres.
Edit: after watching the whole video, I still think swell plays into it a bit. I have also found that reloading my own ammo makes a difference. Ive also noticed that shooting 150 grain compared to 180 (Lee-Enfield ball rounds were 176 grain) tends to shoot better. Even with factory ammo
My grandfather (RIP) used one during WW2, In the AIF. Years later he got a hold of an original mk5 in shocking condition. He fully restored it to original specs. Was a dream to shoot. And did it give a kick.
Lefty Ian scoffs at right handed bolt actions! Look at him go!
Like in Saving Private Ryan.
+Hunter Richie No it's not like in Private Ryan because Ian operates the bolt with his right hand. In Ryan the sniper operates the bolt with his left hand and he gotta reach over the rifle and it looks really awkward. ^
I'm a lefty and when i shoot righty rifles i shoot them the way Ian does in this video.
I operate the bolt with my left hand. For most rifles it's not awkward at all. My MAS 36 is a pain to operate that way though..
It loses the benefit of the Lee bolt, because he's moving the rifle out of aim while he works the bolt.
@@kennysandhoj i wish i could but im left eye dominant so i can't hit with my right.
*New weapon in battlefield*
TH-cam: Hey dude here’s the real one
69 likes looks good to me.
lol JackFrags out here supporting other youtubers
So that's why this showed up in my recommended
bought all the BF games until 5. Waiting for EA to make another game.
Although declared obsolete in 1947, the # 5 was the general issue rifle for both the British Army and Malayan Police during the 1948-60 Emergency in Malaya, replacing the # 4 Enfield which was the original issue for most battalions serving in Malaya. It was superseded, to a limited extent, by the Owen submachine gun which became the preferred infantry weapon, when available.
Hands down my favorite bolt gun of all time. They are a joy to own, carry, and shoot. They are a great choice for hunting deer in thick woods. Great bolt work Ian!
The way you cycle rounds is a thing of beauty
I was trained on and used the #5. They worked very well in heavy bush especially at night. Reliable, hard hitting and fast for being a bolt action.
Thank you very much Ian. I'm ex Australian Army and in my (much) younger days I fired the No.4 when I was in school cadets (I even owned one briefly in the early 70s) but I never got my hands on a No.5.
I'd read about the wandering zero before but I'd never come across a detailed explanation like yours of why the No.5 had this problem! Well done!
The bolt action on the Lee Enfield is just a thing of beauty
A trip dawn memory lane. My father gave me one of these for my 12th birthday. I mounted a Weaver 4X scope on it and it was my hunting rifle during the 1960s ... especially for deer in the mountains of southern British Columbia. It was the perfect rifle for that use and those times were some of the best in my life. I ended up in Southeast Asia after 1978 and left my handy little Jungle Carbine at my mother’s place but she was compelled to turn it in tho the powers that be as gun laws changed in Canada. As I watched this video I could feel it in my hands again and feel the kick of that hard little rubber butt guard. Thanks Ian ... from Iain
The only gun I've sold that I regret letting go, a 1947 Fazakerly No 5. If I ever came across it again, I'd buy it back in a heartbeat. (Yes, I still remember the serial number 20yrs later.)
The Enfields are classics, rather than forgotten weapons. Excellent video!
Another great video on a classic military rifle. I have a P.O.F. SMLE in 7.62 NATO, a 1941 P.O.F. SMLE in .303 and a Canadian #4 from Longbranch in .303:)-John in Texas
Honestly, it's kind of amazing what the British did with the Lee-Enfield over the years, with all the variants, conversions and modifications.
Definitely a great and iconic rifle pattern
This rifle has had an important place in my life and I've studied it quite a bit. I loved this video but I had to comment on the flash hider for those interested. He's absolutely right that using the same ammo in a shorter barrel would produce a flash that would give away your position. The design however is remarkable. It's essentially an expansion nozzle like you'd find on a rocket. This expansion rapidly cools the hot gasses enough to mitigate the flame. However, just as in a rocket, the energy doesn't merely disappear; it becomes increased velocity in the gasses themselves. Since the recoil is a combination of the result of the momentum of the projectile and the ejected gasses, this actually ADDS to the recoil. In effect this rifle has a rocket nozzle which drives the gun into your shoulder with every shot. It's literally the opposite of a muzzle break. So not only is it lighter, it is accidentally designed to produce more recoil. This gun is famous for its recoil and this effect is a significant contributor.
That's fascinating, and makes a surprising amount of sense. The flsah hider does look like a rocket nozzle.
There is a whole bunch of these in New Zealand where the war surplus stock was popular with deerstalkers. Most have been sporterized though. Flash suppressors and bayonet plugs have been removed for legal reasons and often the top wood is gone and the butts altered. They are fairly common and cheap because most had hard lives in the bush so they're pretty rough.
I got one of an old deerstalker. It has all the markings electroplated on the receiver, barely readable. No.5 Mk1 ROF (F)
12/45
Andy Cunninghym I think you’ll find most NZ ones are just shortened MK 1s and no 1 mk3s rather than legit jungle carbines. Also theres no legal requirements to remove bayonet lugs/flash suppressors on manually operated firearms in NZ
"Most have been sporterized though." You got your own Fudds then eh? I never understood why people did that to rifles.
@@billmelater6470 Same here in Australia, although I think they were mostly sporterized by professional gunsmiths during the 1950s and 60s, not some bozo with a hacksaw. You've got to remember that these guns were dirt cheap after WW2 and with thousands being surplused they were not regarded as especially collectable. They were a cheap way of getting a hunting rifle, and AIUI the same thing happened with the M1917 Enfield in the USA in the same period. Also as some states had laws prohibiting use of military calibres a lot of these were rebarreled for necked-down calibres eg 250/303 or 270/303.
@@stuartm2106 It's the same here in the US with Springfields, Mosins, Arisakas, etc. Lot's of things got the "Bubba chop" (I call it that regardless if a smith does it because Bubba still wanted it). But I get it, things don't become collectible until many years down the road and you just can't predict it.
I get buying them as cheap hunting rifles, but I can't understand why they felt the need to cut the stock. That doesn't make it any more or less of a hunting rifle and in many cases hurts accuracy as some milsurps require barrel tension.
A year late, but once upon a time (not that long ago actually) surplus rifles were really cheap, the ammo was really cheap and quite powerful, and it was an easy way to get a somewhat budget hunting rifle. Plus, done well they are nicer and better than their original manufacturing. I have a really nice 1903A3 sporterized with a shorter barrel, and mannlicher stock, redfield sights etc, and shoots very very well.
Damn Ian, that's a nice left handed bolt handling. That's why you're the gun Jesus!
In 1966 I was stationed at Marine Corps Air Station ElToro California. I bought a Jungle Carbine in Santa Ana at a gun store for $50. I sold it in 1970. Wish I still had it! It was a great little rifle, especially since I am only 5’5” and at the time weighed 138 lbs.
Back in the late 80's I had a choice between one of these No. 5 jungle carbines and an M1 carbine. As far as functionality and maintenance, I chose the M1. Nice rifle, though. Wouldn't mind owning one.
I have a No. 5 Jungle Carbine which has a bit of a heavy recoil for me to handle (71 years old with a bad left shoulder). But I LOVE the look of it. And I am happy to see it has the lightening flutes and machined receiver as well as the ROF(F) stamp. So I thank you, Ian, for confirming to me that it is a genuine No. 5. You have a great channel and even though I thought I knew a lot about military firearms, you always teach me something new in each of your videos. Keep up the good work, Mate!
I've spent a lot of time just watching this channel, you deliver the info very well. Never bragging or talking about yourself. Never being over verbose. However dude, your knowledge of all the different manual of arms and your weapons handling skills are top notch. That was some mighty fine southpaw bolt handling skills
As a non-gun owner l aways appreciate your channel for talking about the history of and the engineering involved not as many do the This is an ideal 'home defence weapon'...because........
It has got to be annoying being a left-handed firearms historian in a world of predominately right handed rifle designs...
+Michael K Firing on automatic can be problematic, with ejected casings hitting you in the face on some models (I'm looking at you, M-16) but for competition shooting it's not really a problem. Clearly Ian has gotten some practice in on the bolt-action moves (very smooth!)
Our Oz cadet unit had one sole #5 which was used during contact drills by the forward scout when we were doing our yearly combat course at Greenbank Army Camp. As a CUO I was allowed to fire it on range days & recall how it gave a kick, particularly for a 16 year old youngster like me.
When I saw the shooter "palming" the bolt I had to chuckle because our Regular Army instructors used to chide us for doing that with our #4s, although I can well understand how it would be for a left hander to use only finger & thumb. In the 60s there was so much .303 ammo from WWII laying around that we were allowed to shoot as many rounds off as we could in an afternoon on the range. We could also attend range practice at Enoggera Rifle Range every Saturday afternoon for a fee of 4 shillings which was used to pay the target markers in the butt trenches. Those were great days.
These videos are kinda like ASMR for me. I'm not exactly a gun nut but I have a huge interest in firearms and the historical context surrounding them. Especially obscure or prototype ones. Ian delivers insightful analysis and excellent production values, which is really refreshing in any TH-cam channel. Bravo!
I remember as a young kid looking at several of these on a rack in our small town gun shop (around 1972) in Nova Scotia with a $125 price tag on them. I was most impressed by the look of the flash hider. Back in those days around here there were more .303s and M1 carbines for sale than you could shake a stick at....
World war 2 has always been a big hobby of mine. My gramps would tell me al of these amazing stories about his time fighting in France, Belgium, Holland and Germany. Unfortunately he died three years ago. So I keep growing my knowledge with videos like these. So thank you forgotten weapons, from England!
Man he works that action left handed like a champ. Seriously smooth and fast.
I wish right handed people could look that badass when cycling a turn bolt.
I would be happy just having it designed to your dominant hand on virtually all other platforms, but yes gun Jesus is the life and the way of cordite.
As a righty, I agree. He was working it, but being he is a lefty he has most likely been dealing with this most of his life and adapted. I say very well.
You can - just learn to run a left-handed bolt gun, and you'll be there.
Being a left handed shooter as well your method of cycling the action has helped me, thank you!
Great to see another left hander shooting this gun. It is one of my favorite guns to shoot! Really a great 50 yard shooter and I love to bring it out to shoot with friends and novice shooters. Thanks for the information on the wondering zero and adulterated models. Had not heard that before.
Forgotten Weapons , you have the best job ever. I'm just so jealous of you.
Since he has much knowledge about firearms i gues he had to study allot and get some luck to find a job like this, im sure many gun lovers are jealous about it ( including me)
Just wanted to tell you have much I enjoy ALL OF YOUR GREAT VIDEOS AND INFO YOU SHARE to your viewers on each of the weapons you talk about! Keep up the great work sir! Thank you!!
Incredibly interesting to finally get the real scoop on the 'wandering zero' phenomenon from a trusted source and put it to rest. Just like many of the more unusual modified service rifles of WWII, there is so much myth and misinformation out there about the No.5 Mk.1 carbine. Especially considering its very short service life. I'm also glad to see that you didn't find the recoil too harsh. It's been hyped up as some sort of horrible shoulder killer and I just can't see that being the case even with the stoutest .303. Stouter and more uncomfortable though? Sure. Thanks again Ian for another fantastic video!
Keep in mind, the Brits really wanted to vindicate purchasing a new semi, or assault rifle, to a nation suffering from a WW I I recovery - in light of the "red menace."
A get-me-by firearm configuration to a stingy treasury, would not be seen as too useful as a long term solution. The Indian army learned the hard way when fighting Pakistan that bolt actions were not viable as a majority weapon.
7hart2 I've always been fascinated by the "Stop-gap" weapons after the war. If WWII had started a few years later, I'm pretty sure every nation would have been fielding semiauto rifles.
Some of my favorite weapons are stop-gap guns. The SKS, Hakim, and most of all, the FN49 (And I suppose the M14 to some extent as well. Both the FN49 and M14 rank as my favorite guns)
+SporadicallySane Recoil is very harsh compared to a full length same era rifle.
I have a No5 and a mauser from WW2 and to shoot either without looking at the cartridge you would think they are vastly different.
In the heat of battle I doubt anyone would notice a difference except maneuvering them.
Paul Reuten Exactly. I don't doubt at all that the recoil on the No. 5 is far more punishing (as with all cut down carbines of its type, the Berthier in particular sucks) but the internet being what it is has always reapted this claim ad nauseum that the No. 5 is a horrible shoulder killer and totally unpleasant which has just not been my experience. As you say, in the heat of battle, you're probably not going to care it's giving you a bigger bruise. :)
+SporadicallySane This man's show is quite fascinating. I was very interested about collectible guns when I was younger but in Canada, the trouble to maintain a collection was becoming more and more difficult even though my father and I had built a secret safe in the ceiling of his warehouse but over the years people of course got to know where the safe was an somebody hit it once(thieved) many old rifles and shotguns and some nice Semi- automatic rifles made in Israel and Austria. My dad said enough of this bullshit and we pretty much dropped the idea but this show has brought a renewed interest into my life. Thanks dude.
2nd rifle i bought and love it, the guy even showed the relief marks before selling it to me. 1944 ROF(F)
Had a good friend in high school in the mid 60's that had a No5 Mk1 Jungle Carbine and he took many a deer through the years with it. Every once in a while in later years he would still take it out
hunting. He passed on last year and his oldest son now has it now and said he would pass it on to his son at some point. Not bad at all for a 74 year old rifle not bad at all .
"They're all 70 years old and rock hard.." Yeah, Viagra definitely made the world a more interesting place.
Sorry I couldn't resist :)
you are sorry crazyfvck!
It wasn't Viagra, brother. It's the smell of cordite. ;)
And shit like this is why TH-cam needs a "giggle" button, it would be as straight graphic as me saying I just blew beer out my nose. Thanks LOL
Well, as I'm nearing 8 decades, w/out Viagra, I can tell you that it's not appearances that make the world interesting, it's performance. And having a chromed driveshaft doesn't make a Model T run faster.
...as the nun said to the sailor.... :-)
I've got one of these. It's a nice little rifle, but has a stout recoil, and an extremely loud report. At the range I go to, it makes the hollow metal poles that hold up the tin roof of the outdoor ranges ring like a bell, and rattles the roof. It's hilarious the reactions I get from people at the range with that rifle
The first weapon I ever fired as an army cadet in the UK at 13 years old. Remember being told “you’ll be fine it doesn’t kick much’..😉😉😉😂
my first shot from a rifle as an army cadet was a rebored Number 4 with the barrel and chamber refitted for 22.lr. after that, we moved onto the L86a2 and the LSW. would have loved to fire one of these rifles though, they look awesome
@John Cliff I loved firing it, it was accurate, reliable and it didnt kick like a mule. only problems I had with it was it sometimes didnt wanna extract 22.Lr, which I hear is reasonably common for that ammunition. more than once I got confused trying to load a new shot into a chamber that still had the old brass.
@Peter Riseborough the staff had to take the bolt out and use a punch to extract stuck brass from the chamber where the bolt tore the rim from the 22. lr brass xD
@Peter Riseborough it only happened once before I got up to the L86 and the LSW
I like your explanation in regards to the wondering zero, makes sense. However it really was not that important if you consider the job the tool was made for, where if you get contact at 50 meters, that might be considered long range.
God I love the sound of the Lee Enfield action. It's just so crisp. Even the not so loved little brother.
Really enjoyed this review of the jungle. I own one myself. Bought it from AIM awhile back. Supposedly they served in SE Asia and due to that are a bit "rough" in appearance. I still am glad I bought it.
RSA Enfield near where i live, had a friend work there in the 70s he was working on the SA80, i did visit the factory when they were testing an Aden cannon, awesome noise, our Government decided to privatise the factory, and the purchasers realised the land was worth millions for housing, so they closed a gem of British Engineering
Shit happens when the government makes bad decisions!
Real shame. Quality engineering alright
I love my Jungle Carbine, it’s an ROF dated 8/45, it’s definitely seen service, given the dates, I’d say most likely in Malaya as there is field repair on the stock, clearly different wood patching up some spots. I personally love it and think it gives the gun more personality. The bore and rifling are great and the bolt action is as smooth as it was in “45. Definitely what I would want to carry if I were in Burma in WWII.
That southpaw action! I'm super impressed!
Had one as a kid here in Canada. Loved it , thought it was a great weapon. The only trouble was it kicked like a mule. Which was from what I heard the complaint from many soldiers. If it had a smaller round or even less powder would have been more popular I think.
I have one of these, 1944 ROF (F), its a dream, and it drives tacks at 100 Yds
I bought one of these in 1967 for around $21 if I recall correctly. It was coated in thick hard cosmoline and didn't appear to have ever been fired. It was my first deer rifle and one hell of a little brush gun! I picked up two that had been sporterized a few years back but both of their boars are shot so they need new barrels. Would be nice to put them back in their original configuration.
I have a BSA carbine and it’s a fantastic fun. I don’t know much about this wandering zero and neither do the deers
My first rifle was/is an Enfield. I'm pretty shure it's a jungle carbine like this one. (See pics at ens of post)
My grandpa bought it at an auction for me when I was 5 and said "When you're old enough I'll let you have this."
When I turned 15, we went on a hunting trip together. Before we left he gave me the rifle and said (In his best Uncle Ben impersonation) "With great power, comes great responsibility." and then laughed as he gave it to me. (I had already had many a gun talk and was very safe with them.) I hunted my first deer with that rifle! It was great.
The hunt was a pretty classic one... me and grandpa had split up. He was walking along the ridgeline and I was down in the valley a few hundred yards below. It was pretty foggy, which was frustrating to me, but grandpa said "It's frustrating to the deer, too." and that made me feel better. Anyway, I heard my grandpa make a noise and saw a deer about 50y directly in front of me appear to materialize out of the fog and stare up the hill, transfixed on my grandpa. "This is my chance." I thought as I slowly brought my Enfield up to my shoulder and switched the safety off. ...she still wasn't moving. Just staring up the hill. I slowly dropped to one knee to stabilize myself, and lined up my shot... head-shot. No...no. What did grandpa tell me? Kill zone is in the chest. I swallow hard. The deer turns her head. She's looking right at me! Did I swallow that hard!? Shit she's going to move! Now! I pull...
CRACK! (Holy shit that thing kicks a lot harder than my .22!)
I get off my butt and look to the deer. It's down, right where she stood. I walk over to it and it's not moving. My grandpa walks up. "Good shot, Slick. Now you get to do the fun part." He hands me a hunting knife and says "Don't waste anything good." I did pretty well until I accidently cut open the colon and had to clean a bunch of shit outta the gut cavity.
Anyway, sorry for the long-ass tangent. My point is, My grandpa is like a father to me. He died 13 years ago and I haven't though of him much lately. This brought back some very happy memories with my grandpa.
I love my Enfield. Thank you so much for video. I gotta go now. I seem to have something manly in my eye.
Pictures: imgur.com/a/ES9mRZt
I had one of those, kicked like a mule...fairly accurate. Whoever designed the rubber buttpad should have been prosecuted for battery.
Why are you reiterating the opening sentence of the top comment on this video?
@@KC-bg1th For grins..
Nice video. Guess i need one now to go with my No.4 Mk1. I remember a print article with photos showing native troops and British advisers using them in the Malayan emergency. They were well thought of. Perhaps the wandering zero was less prevalent than we think. Great bolt technique for us left handers. Saw it in another of your vids. Surprised i had never seen it before. I will try it. Great video. Thank you
Saw one of Jackfrags Battlefield 5 videos, and now i'm here... Heck?
Ian, I've got to admire your left-handed technique. Dad was a lefty and he really found the SMLE hard to use. When his regiment (2/9 Division Cavalry) was reformed as the 2/9 Cavalry Commando he was the Bren gunner and he really loved the Bren. On patrol he would only swap it for an Owen.
Now THAT'S a handsome rifle!
Great video and weapon. I believe they still used the "jungle carbine" in Malaya (Malaysia) and other Far East areas in the 1950's, until replaced by the 7.62mm (NATO) L1A1 SLR (Self Loading Rifle) / Belgian FN FAL. As you mentioned, in close range warfare the zero issue may not have been critical.
Will M Hi, yes. The fact that the original Belgian FN FAL was an Assault Rifle with full auto capability would have helped, as the SLR's were normally set to semi fire only. I'm not sure technically how they did it / I don't know how to explain it but I know what you mean. There was also an Automatic Rifle or AR version of the SLR which had a longer - heavier barrel and bipod, plus a 30 x round magazine, I don't know if they were used in Vietnam as well.
Film & TV The Aussies had same in Vietnam...The Brits changed to the FN L1A1 but that was semi auto option where as the Argentine FN had an full auto version captured versions of same were favoured by some British soldiers..medium.com/war-is-boring/the-fn-fal-was-almost-americas-battle-rifle-5186bdbda998
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Well damn! I'm glad I watched this! I almost bought a fake! Thank you guys so SO much! Keep up the good work.
I do not always see eye to eye with you Ian, but God love you - you are one of the few youtubers to have respectable trigger control.
I see so many shooters yanking triggers, I've started to pull out what hair I have left.
Couple of points: Actually intended as a primary weapon for paratroopers. My reading on the development of Australian No6 rifles (based on the NoIII actions) was conducted in parallel with the No5 but with a view for a shorter jungle weapon, although with regards to the N06, no clear explanation was given for abandoning trails by the Australian army, even though the SMLE was horribly ill suited to jungle operations in new Guinea. Lastly, although its stated that the No5 was declared obsolete in 47, it was a preferred weapon in Malaya and East Africa/kenya by commonwealth and british troops until the L1A1 SLR became available. A forerunner of the Scout concept, the No5 is a effective and handy rifle.
SnoopReddogg thank you for the information
Alas it does kick and the rubber thing on the butt is no help at all
Snoop Reddog. The L1A1. Why didn't they just say FN FAL which it was?. That kicked like a bastard to and it was gas auto. We would have been better off with the Yank M14. Real nice rifle. Shoot a tin can at 600m. No bloody chance with the SLR.
@@iananderson1848 Armies tend to make their own designations for equipment. The U.K. paid FN for a license to build the FAL design for British use, and this involved converting the engineering specifications from metric to imperial measurements and changing some features. Similarly, when the U.S. military adopted Armalite's AR-15 they made some specifications of their own and gave it the official designation M16.
The SLR was better for the British Army's purpose than the M14. Better ergonomics, more reliable, and more than accurate enough.
The MoD planned to replace the No 4 with the No 5 as they felt that being smaller it was more suitable for armoured infantry - they were testing the Humber Pig APC and developing the Saracen, but the wandering zero proved to be too much of a problem. I had a beautiful No 5 in .22 - one of a small batch of experimental training rifles made by BSA. Same size and and weight but without the flash hider.
I’m pretty sure DICE watches these videos when trying to decide what weapons to add to BFV.
DuttyTheDude lol that would be hilarious if they did
Well he actually work with them on battlefield 1
@@bengier8889 They said they do :D
@@DeosPraetorian Yep. He's even mentioned in the Bf 1 credits.
I have one of these in perfect condition love this little Jungle Carbine, many thanks to you Ian and your efforts truely great videos to watch and get extra information from thanks again
So this is what that medic was doing instead of reviving me
Great to see one of these in action and get the real story on the wandering zero. I've been enjoying my Ishapore 2A1 so much, I've been toying with the idea of buying a second one (if i can find one in "rough" condition) to cut the barrel down and remount it in a lightweight synthetic sporter stock to build a "Scout Rifle" with that Enfield action I love so much and the .308/7.62mm chambering. It wouldn't be as light as a No.5 MkI but at least now I know there wouldn't be any worry about accuracy.
Anybody here because of the new weapon in BF5? Lmao
Yes
It just pop up on my recommendation list lmao :))
Me
@Prince Otter Channel2 the video was made in 2015 you wally
I was wondering if I should put this in my Guns playlist or Battlefield playlist: ended up putting it in both.
Hello Ian, we have one of those "jungle carbines" bought for a dollar by my Father-In Law from a barrel in a hardware store in 1945 in Ulster, PA, he used it for turkeys. We have never loaded by stripper clip, always load by magazine, one at a time, it is an ambidextrous rifle as my son who can be a left handed shooter and myself , a right handed shooter are comfortable with it Yes the rifle is not a fake or modified because we have the correct serial number and the BSA stamp. BTW there is a bayonet lug on it too:) Very powerful rifle as we shot at and shattered cinder blocks and stone table top, with one round, form about 500 ft on our property in PA. Problem is to find the .303 ammo in the US:) Cheers
Damn, a dollar went a lot further back then lol! PPU still make ammo but it is a bit pricey
They're a good looking rifle.
(I know nothing about guns. I just like the aesthetics)
In a world where every one no matter what their actual expertise speaks with purported authority. In such a world Ian is a refreshing exception. He really knows his stuff,
Thanks for another wonderful video, can you possibly do the Ishapore 2A1 next?
I like the 303 British jungle series; have two of them both good shooters, are also unique weapon, he didn't mention that you can attach a bayonet for hands on combat and very cool looking rifle.
9:01 hopefully I'll be like this stock when im 70
I had the great luck to fire one of these on the range at RAF Brize Norton in the 1970s when I was a young Air Training Corps cadet, it " belonged " to an RAF Regiment sergeant who had it on the range the day I visited, he let me put 5 rounds through it and I was surprised how much more the felt recoil was compared to our usual no4 mk1. He was having fun with a Sterling but I was just glad to fire the carbine. Happy days .
9:02 my grandpa said he’s 70 years old and rock hard
An elder gentleman once gave me one of these as a present. I did not have much opportunity to actually try it out, so this video was very interesting to me. Thank you very much!
Also, your shooting speed with this is remarkable. Sorry for me not knowing the correct term. Repetition speed? Bolt..cyle.. rate? You now what I mean :-)
Recoil pad, something you don't want to be rock hard after 70 years...
that's for sure
I have a Lee-Enfield No.4, a No.5, and a Mosin-Nagant... unlike the others, my No.5 makes my shoulder sore every time I shoot it, haha.
Zack Tyler yeah that would make sense
This pad is not made for recoil, but to no-skid on wet uniform.
With military ammo if you get rim lock give the bolt a hard push. There is a bevel on the rim that allows the rim of the other round to slip over it, it just takes a good push
I had one of these... Back when .303 surplus ammo was plentiful and cheap. Stolen in a burglary.
Steve Miller ouch
Steve Miller. This may sound harsh, but thieves should be shot.
Me too, I hope it broke the little f....'s shoulder.
I've owned mine for 35 years, wouldn't trade for anything. Hoping to hunt with it again this winter. Yes, it kicks, no more than a light 12 gauge though. More than accurate enough, even at longer ranges. If you are lucky enough to find one, store it muzzle down, even though the recoil pad is rock-hard it will flatten over time from the rifles weight
Hmmm how about a run and gun featuring the no 5 mk 1/ webley or hi power versus the m38/44 mosin nagant and tokarev?
Just picked up a No. 1 Mk 3 1916 enfield produced rifle. It's in great shape and a perfect bore. Can't wait to shoot it. Being a patreon supporter, I was also wanting to know when the next Q&A session is.
I have a 1947 Fazakerly no5 that I am currently trying to bring back to life after bubba got his hands on it. Unfortunately I am having issues with finding the replacement part that I need like the fore end stock and the top piece, the barrel bands, and rear sites. Do you know of any web sites that might have what I am looking for?
I really hope it's not the '47 Fazakerly No5 that I foolishly sold back around 1990 in Alabama. I'd love to have that rifle back now.
Tommy Blackwell That would be an insane coincidence... do you know the SN?
Yes I do, I'll pm you.
The original concept was to indeed add a softer buttpad, but it was feared that they might rot in the wetter climate. So a more durable(read harder) rubber material was used.
I saw a jungle carbine in .308 Probably was a fake.
Edit: This guy works a bolt like a champion!
i have seen the same. The owner told me it had seen service in India where it had been reworked and rechambered.
The foreign legion in Vietnam was supposed to of had the 308 version,I have a friend that was in the marines that has one , he was there in 1967 , he got his from an member of the NVA that didn’t need it or thing else any more .
Probably fake, if it isnt an Indian made one then it might be a 'Santa Fe Arms' they made a lot of jungle carbine repros and 308 rechambers back in the day. And when I say back in the day I mean dating back to the 1950s. The popularity of the jungle carbine is NOT new within the US market.
There's some YT vids of JC 308. IIRC saw some in 1980s?
The Ishapore Arsenal in India rebarreled and rechambered a number of Enfields to 7.62x51mm/.308, mostly SMLEs but also a scattering of jungle carbines as well. You can easily spot them, since the Ishapore carbines have a straight-walled magazine, as opposed to the slightly curved one used for .303. The Indians went to the trouble because they used the Lee-Enfield bolt-action as their service rifle into the 1970s, and then thereafter as a police and security force weapon.
First hunting rifle I owned, matched serial numbers. Hit like a mule but for the mesquites of Texas It would go through brush and be on target. 180 grain bricks but it dropped everything. I than got a #4 to hunt with, for years that was my gun. Sportified the #4 with a syn, stock, and a scope mount. My son in law loved that and the carbine, so I sold them both to my daughter. But they still both hold fond memories for myself. The 5 was acquired in Nov of 1989 for what I recall 125.00, the 4 was a year or so later for 100.00. For the price 2 of the best rifles I have ever owned.
Where the hell did you snag surplus 303? It was my understanding that you simply couldn't get surplus 303's anymore. My friend who has a Lee-Enfield could be interested in hearing about that.
At the moment, Cheaper Than Dirt has surplus Greek 303, which is noncorrosive, reloadable, and generally excellent.
Thanks mate, i'll pass it along to my friend and another guy, the only regular dealer of military rifles and ammo in Iceland.
Little bit of information, Army surplus 303 round are very easy to get around New Zealand and Australia.
Really? i guess my knowledge is a bit too regional and outdated.
Hinrik Stefnir Ævarsson I don't know if they can ship ammunition to Iceland or not, but the Sportsman's Guide has new PPU .303 ammo (softpoint and full metal jacket) at around $15 USD a 20 round box.
Great video dude, and slick shooting.Good to see someone talking about rifles and knows how to use them as well
I have one it's great ! I use it some times deer hunting ! It was not a lot of money and I couldn't give a shit if it's a collector !
Mine shoot the same year after year !
been using mine for over fifty years. the wandering zero is a not an issue on mine
cw ferguson I got a hold of one about 2 years ago and haven’t had a problem yet with a decent amount of shooting
My cousin and I took his dads No 5 out with us possum shooting one night back in the 1990's (possums are a major pest here in New Zealand).
At a range of approximately 5 metres or about 15 feet, a single shot split a possum into 2 separate pieces.
3 round hits in 6 seconds very impressive , better than Oswald lol
And shooting left handed on a right handed bolt action.
Mussy Design with practice and motivation you too can fire 3 shots in 6 seconds with a bolt action. ditto hitting. from a rest, with a scope, at 50- 80 yards? again, with motivation. the real conspiracy was getting Oswald there at the right time.
The recoil pad did make difference. My uncle was in a unit* which received an issue of No.5 rifles for troop trials. Including some with standard stocks, without recoil pads. They were very uncomfortable to shoot and were returned to stores after a month or so.
*6th Airborne Division. It was proposed that the No.5 become the standard rifle for British paratroopers and glider troops.
Battlefield V?
AlvaroXXZ pacific theatre
Democrats are scum of the earth
Gday mate,just a tip from an old digger mate of mine.They used to load one five round clip and fire one round then put in the next five rounds so as to only have nine rounds in the magazine. this saved the mag spring from breaking.The WW1 diggers at Gallipoli kept four rounds in reserve so recharged after every five shots. Cheers Ross from Australia