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Sometimes when applying books, certain generals with dual passives can apply a second book of same type. Takeda can have additional book for mounted where as Washington can not.
How do you think Bertrand du Guesclin compares to the top 3 of Martinus/Roland/Hannibal? I have all 4 and I’m trying to decide who start specialties on
last video you said something about being able to get some of those generals not available in the tavern from the battlefield shop .... or something like that , can you explain ?
If you play in the battlefield events and gain the special badge rewards over many separate battlefields, you will be able to save up around 2000. It could take a while depending on a lot of factors. Once you have the 2000+ you can keep refreshing the battlefield shop located just outside of the city walls. After numerous refreshes (50 gems per refresh) you will be able to buy a Epic Historical General with 2040 Badges. This price may vary sometimes, but im not sure on that
I'm glad i got Martinus last Week in the Great General Chest and I got Li Jing for free this month. They 2 are incredibly great dealing with Boss monsters.
This video is watchable at x1.75 % faster playback speed only. Otherwise the speaker is genuinely a hypnotist and will make you switch off. The information is decent. But takes a white to get to the top three.
George is not a general that should be upgraded, he can be used until you get a good one that you may focus on. Although Cleo is good, she is good due to her skill book. This means that there is no need to upgrade her as the skill book will work at any level. The only thing you might add to cleo is ring gear to increase the double drop rate further.
I mean more so if you get Hannibal in a pack today, will he still be available to get in 2 months time? I've seen packs that say about a chance to get a certain epic historic, such as last month was el cid, and this month it said Matthias 1. Upon purchase of the pack last month, I had to use 2 $100 packs before getting el cid, and this month i received Matthias on the first try. I also received an in game announcement yesterday saying that the upcoming event on Halloween will have a chance to get generals Roland, kusunoki masashige, Robert guitars, and alfred the great from the 5th package. Not sure if anybody has tried to keep track of what generals they have got from packs during certain events or not, but this would be a good follow up video, unless they are all at random
I mean evony never tell us the chance of getting generals, but seen as I have bought the event packs you're talking about before and did not get the advertised general.. I am confident that you can get any general, especially ones not in the tavern. Although it may be a higher chance for the advertised ones, than say an older hannibal. You can also get premium epic historical generals in regular non-event packs if the right pack rolls around after a few hours of waiting
I got Martinus doing the daily activities, with the Grand General Chest. I couldn't believe it and now he is one of my best Boss monsters Generals, along with Li jing.
Hey Evony, Just got Li Jing and thought I could build around him. but I heard you say he is not the best. So I have a couple of questions. 1 is with 35% increase why is he not the best? 2. Is it possible to teach a general a debuff? because I was thinking If I could teach him a range debuff.
You cannot add a debuff to a general through a skill book, only gear and some dragons/refines. He is not the "best" in my list, however this does not mean that he is not good overall when compared to any random historical general. His 35% is great although because he only has the one buff, you cannot add more attack skill books to him, whereas most other general in the list you can do that. If you did not have another general from the list to use, feel free to continue on with your li jing!
@@EvonyGuides Just stumbled upon Xiang Yu, a purple General from China. He has the same 35% Mounted troop attack but also has Sabotage speciality. My noob head is telling me only the first speciality comes with the general when recruited. Which is the 35% Mounted troop attack. So How is it possible to add the Sabotage?
Purple generals do not age nearly as well as the gold ones such as your li jing. If you already have a Epic Historical General that is good (for anything) investing in ANY purple general is simply not worth it. Although do keep an eye out for Cleopatra (no need to level her anyway). The specialties are very hard to max out even on one general, to even attempt this on a purple general is very unnecessary and will be regretted. If you wanted to add specialties it will require hundreds or thousands of rune stones and a general leveled to 25 minimum. Apologies for any harshness
@@EvonyGuides No, I wasn't gonna invest on it, (Yes, I'm hoping to get those Historic Epic Generals you mentioned) but wondering if a general comes with one speciallity, and the rest was supposed to be developed by the player, the General was expected to learn a debuff. How do they learn Sabotage? (because you said it's not possible to teach them debuff skills)
@@melesayabdullahi3754 The thing you get with a historical general is a special Skill. The ability to unlock and upgrade specialties is very different and requires runestones/gems. There are some generals that have debuffs in the specialties and there are many that do not. You need a general level 25 to start unlocking the specialties and you have to do it in order from left to right, only unlocking the last one (best) after maxing the others first.
I have martinis and trying to work out what skillbooks to put on him. I understand he is late stage general, considering the time it takes to cultivate his specialties, so trying to plan ahead. I know I can't put mounted attack, and mounted def and HP seem obvious. Not sure what the third should be. What have you seen on Martinis from more established players?
Thanks. I was wondering about March size or perhaps one of the speed increase buffs. Cool I'll go March size. Also can you explain the difference between Def and HP. Does def limit troop death and the HP wounded?
The defense just means armor rating and HP means Health Points. I haven't looked into what exactly defense does but usually it's best to just look at the high base stats of each troop type and attempt to increase the higher ones, as the higher the base stat, the more a percentage will help. This mostly means HP is better than defense in most situations as far as I know.
You would assume that, however it does seem like a lot of 1B+ players use more cixi than nero. I think people just do it because more % debuff however perhaps it would actually be best to go for neros. Always keep in mind you can't debuff someone to 0% stats so you need to still have a split between different stats you're debuffing so it isn't wasted
PvP Generals can vary depending on use case, however generally you will want Ranged stats for the primary PvP general. Once you have that general you can also get one for ground such as Trajan to use against ranged armies. Monsters are usually weak to cavalry (Mounted) troops, therefore a general that has Mounted buffs is a must, although make sure this general may be used while attacking. This is covered in skill books by "while attacking" "when leading army" etc
How and where do I find a bulk load of lvl 1 skill books to fill up general spaces before adding higher level skill books? Besides paying tons of gems in Academy,
I mean you participate in events both special events and hope for the best. There aren't any super easy ways of getting them tbh. All i did was buy them in the skill book shop like you mention
Thanks for another helpful video. What would be the best skill books to use for a boss general? I was going to use mounted attack, defense and speed although I'm not to sure how effective the speed mechanic is. Would mounted HP be better? Also if a mounted attack book and a mounted attack vs monster book are both used on the same general do the buffs stack or only the higher one from the "vs monster" book?
Now that there are vs monster books you are best using mounted attack vs monsters, mounted attack and mounted HP. Although speed can be helpful against bossses, this book is no longer a good option now with better books becoming available. Any book that is able to be added, will work.
@@EvonyGuides For me he is the best now, but I understand that for more advanced players there are a lot of other factors like the skill books, or the addition of a dragon that position for example Martinus above Li Jing.
@@EvonyGuides Li jing lets me do the "mounted troop attack against monsters" but not the "mounted troop attack" Would this make him a good general for boss monsters?
@@benjo004 He is a fine general, however as you have found out he cannot have the second attack book added. If you were able to obtain another boss general that can have this book added, those are going to be better. It is usually much easier said than done, therefore you can stick with li jing for a while before switching
yeah i mean he works for those looking to kill the level 10 boss or lower, as adding good gear to him will do just fine. This means he is great for those that do not spend money on the game and are active enough to get the most out of their free stamina.
@@EvonyGuides so not a long term solution then !? At what stage do you think a player should have a decent set of gear ( kings and above) and General. I appreciate the sooner the better but for the majority who spend something but not fortunes can you do some videos on where you should be and what you should have by both time and level/ power . Thks
@@therealisticgooner8267 well i can certainly have videos where I mention that, perhaps even a video solely for that at some point. I can say here though for now that you should have kings gear in under 2 months from first playing, and dragons gear after perhaps 6 months if you are very active with the no 1 or no 2 alliance.
@@EvonyGuides dang lol I better get a shift on then . I have a set of champions for Constance but other than a few minor pieces won am saving all my crafting items for a set of Kings . Any tips / recommendations . On how to improve the drop rate . I know I need a few more sub cities.Do the higher level subs produce better / higher level crafting items ?
@@therealisticgooner8267 I believe the higher subs do create better materials for your gear yes, it isn't going to be your primary method of getting them though. It is best to join as many rallies (or make them) against boss monsters for the materials and be sure to open all those chests! The king's gear scrolls shouldn't be too difficult to get after hitting boss 10 etc many times. Baibars and Cleopatra are good generals for drop rate and you can use the luck skill book if you don't have these generals, in addition, you may use the various ring gear that increases drop rate on your general/s.
Thanks for the Video. I have a question aout Skills in regards to Cleopatra, which 4 skills are best to assign her? Can you stack luck skill on her? Cheers
You cannot stack a luck skill on cleo. Also because she is best to be used as alliance rally joining general for increased rewards.. she does not need to be leveled up, cultivated or given any skill books. Although a ring that increases the drop rate of items is always a must! If you needed to use her to attack monsters and boss monsters for the time being feel free to add attack, HP and Defense books to her.. but keep in mind once you can replace her for a better Main Boss Killing General, those skills would have been 100% wasted
@@EvonyGuides I only use her for boss rallies, and as a sub city general so i put contructiuon skill, gold production and was told to add monsters respect for additional XP. I understand what you mean she is useless otherwise, but i'm only K21 so she does well for viking rallies. but i guess a ring could help with the luck if additional luck skill can't be added
I would personally not use this general. This general has various different troop types includes in his default skill book/specialties. As players opt for using predominantly one troop type when attacking any given player, having a general that has buffs for more than one troop type, this general is not optimal for any task. If wanting to use him anyway, I would suggest Ranged Attack, Ranged troop range increase and ranged defense/HP. I see you have commented on a boss general video, but i do not know if you only wanted to use him for that purpose..? If you did, use Mounted attack, Mounted Attack against monster and Mounted HP
Claim the fragments from the chest daily (top right chest icon) 30 fragments gets you a general. Otherwise collecting gems and gold to refresh the tavern generals to eventually get a historical one to show up you'd like to buy with the gold
Trajan is better and is available in the tavern via refreshing it, therefore free players may obtain him. If you can't do that or don't want to try to get him, oda will still benefit your army just fine.
@@EvonyGuides I got 1043 wounded sending 300k t11to Warlord level 1. Remember Warlords specify what units are either better or worse against them. This last week the description said that they were dealing extra damage against mounted troops and receiving extra damage from Ground Troops. Maybe that's why. I used March size increase item to kill a Warlord Level 2 and Sending 375 K t11 i defeated the Warlord with 18k wounded.
@@dennisrodriguez3689 yes that is correct that ground is better however people tend to stick to mounted because their ground generals/troops aren't good. It can be a little harder to get zero wounded on these bosses but is still doable with less troops that you used but with higher wounded of course
He is not worthwhile unless you are a non-spender and wish to join lots of rallies all day. He will save stamina but you can also join rallies with baibar or cleo for increased rewards instead.
It is probably easier to attack regular monsters, just attack the highest level you can really but can attack boss monsters too. As far as i know it is somewhat random
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Love a video on how to build a good defence gen not just what ones are the best if possible.
@@lewismurphy88 what do you mean by build a defense general ?
Was theodora in the game when you made this video?
No she has been added since then
@@EvonyGuides do you think she is a good one she is my best one for monsters right now but I'm curious 🤨
Sometimes when applying books, certain generals with dual passives can apply a second book of same type. Takeda can have additional book for mounted where as Washington can not.
absolutely!
Thank you for your videos, they are very helpful. I was wondering if you could look at Theodora, she seems pretty good with mounted stats....
I love all your videos, thanks
Thanks for watching! Let me know if you need any help
How do you think Bertrand du Guesclin compares to the top 3 of Martinus/Roland/Hannibal? I have all 4 and I’m trying to decide who start specialties on
Great video thanks
What’s the best way to level up a general when attacking a subsidy? What troops do you recommend?
last video you said something about being able to get some of those generals not available in the tavern from the battlefield shop .... or something like that , can you explain ?
If you play in the battlefield events and gain the special badge rewards over many separate battlefields, you will be able to save up around 2000. It could take a while depending on a lot of factors. Once you have the 2000+ you can keep refreshing the battlefield shop located just outside of the city walls. After numerous refreshes (50 gems per refresh) you will be able to buy a Epic Historical General with 2040 Badges. This price may vary sometimes, but im not sure on that
I'm glad i got Martinus last Week in the Great General Chest and I got Li Jing for free this month. They 2 are incredibly great dealing with Boss monsters.
Can you tell me which general would be best for being assistant of Roland!?
This video is watchable at x1.75 % faster playback speed only. Otherwise the speaker is genuinely a hypnotist and will make you switch off. The information is decent. But takes a white to get to the top three.
i just started and have general george ( not washington) and cleopatra. which one should i work on?
George is not a general that should be upgraded, he can be used until you get a good one that you may focus on. Although Cleo is good, she is good due to her skill book. This means that there is no need to upgrade her as the skill book will work at any level. The only thing you might add to cleo is ring gear to increase the double drop rate further.
How do you apply the scill books to the general without covering the one's you have on
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Thank you kind sir
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When buying $100 packs, is there always a chance to get say Hannibal or martinus? Or is there certain generals available for certain events?
I acquired Hannibal from a 100 pack.
I mean more so if you get Hannibal in a pack today, will he still be available to get in 2 months time? I've seen packs that say about a chance to get a certain epic historic, such as last month was el cid, and this month it said Matthias 1. Upon purchase of the pack last month, I had to use 2 $100 packs before getting el cid, and this month i received Matthias on the first try. I also received an in game announcement yesterday saying that the upcoming event on Halloween will have a chance to get generals Roland, kusunoki masashige, Robert guitars, and alfred the great from the 5th package. Not sure if anybody has tried to keep track of what generals they have got from packs during certain events or not, but this would be a good follow up video, unless they are all at random
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I mean evony never tell us the chance of getting generals, but seen as I have bought the event packs you're talking about before and did not get the advertised general.. I am confident that you can get any general, especially ones not in the tavern. Although it may be a higher chance for the advertised ones, than say an older hannibal. You can also get premium epic historical generals in regular non-event packs if the right pack rolls around after a few hours of waiting
I got Martinus doing the daily activities, with the Grand General Chest. I couldn't believe it and now he is one of my best Boss monsters Generals, along with Li jing.
Hey Evony, Just got Li Jing and thought I could build around him. but I heard you say he is not the best. So I have a couple of questions. 1 is with 35% increase why is he not the best? 2. Is it possible to teach a general a debuff? because I was thinking If I could teach him a range debuff.
You cannot add a debuff to a general through a skill book, only gear and some dragons/refines. He is not the "best" in my list, however this does not mean that he is not good overall when compared to any random historical general. His 35% is great although because he only has the one buff, you cannot add more attack skill books to him, whereas most other general in the list you can do that. If you did not have another general from the list to use, feel free to continue on with your li jing!
@@EvonyGuides Just stumbled upon Xiang Yu, a purple General from China. He has the same 35% Mounted troop attack but also has Sabotage speciality. My noob head is telling me only the first speciality comes with the general when recruited. Which is the 35% Mounted troop attack. So How is it possible to add the Sabotage?
Purple generals do not age nearly as well as the gold ones such as your li jing. If you already have a Epic Historical General that is good (for anything) investing in ANY purple general is simply not worth it. Although do keep an eye out for Cleopatra (no need to level her anyway). The specialties are very hard to max out even on one general, to even attempt this on a purple general is very unnecessary and will be regretted. If you wanted to add specialties it will require hundreds or thousands of rune stones and a general leveled to 25 minimum. Apologies for any harshness
@@EvonyGuides No, I wasn't gonna invest on it, (Yes, I'm hoping to get those Historic Epic Generals you mentioned) but wondering if a general comes with one speciallity, and the rest was supposed to be developed by the player, the General was expected to learn a debuff. How do they learn Sabotage? (because you said it's not possible to teach them debuff skills)
@@melesayabdullahi3754 The thing you get with a historical general is a special Skill. The ability to unlock and upgrade specialties is very different and requires runestones/gems. There are some generals that have debuffs in the specialties and there are many that do not. You need a general level 25 to start unlocking the specialties and you have to do it in order from left to right, only unlocking the last one (best) after maxing the others first.
I have martinis and trying to work out what skillbooks to put on him. I understand he is late stage general, considering the time it takes to cultivate his specialties, so trying to plan ahead. I know I can't put mounted attack, and mounted def and HP seem obvious. Not sure what the third should be. What have you seen on Martinis from more established players?
mounted def, hp and march size increase is what everyone uses
Thanks. I was wondering about March size or perhaps one of the speed increase buffs. Cool I'll go March size. Also can you explain the difference between Def and HP. Does def limit troop death and the HP wounded?
The defense just means armor rating and HP means Health Points. I haven't looked into what exactly defense does but usually it's best to just look at the high base stats of each troop type and attempt to increase the higher ones, as the higher the base stat, the more a percentage will help. This mostly means HP is better than defense in most situations as far as I know.
Thanks. Does that extend to subs? I remember your video on sub generals. Cixi offered def rebuff while Nero offer HP rebuff. So is Nero better?
You would assume that, however it does seem like a lot of 1B+ players use more cixi than nero. I think people just do it because more % debuff however perhaps it would actually be best to go for neros. Always keep in mind you can't debuff someone to 0% stats so you need to still have a split between different stats you're debuffing so it isn't wasted
Would you consider Theodora a good boss killing general
yes absolutely
@@EvonyGuides any upgrades and skills you would recommend to add to her ,and you should do a video of cultivating and skilling a general
apologises I mistook your reply for another comment. You will want Mounted Attack, Mounted attack against monsters and mounted defense/HP
@@steveop2879 I added an additional Luck book onto her, along with mounted attack and mounted attack against monsters.
What should be the Quality of a General for pvp also for monster Attack which qualities of General should I use???
PvP Generals can vary depending on use case, however generally you will want Ranged stats for the primary PvP general. Once you have that general you can also get one for ground such as Trajan to use against ranged armies. Monsters are usually weak to cavalry (Mounted) troops, therefore a general that has Mounted buffs is a must, although make sure this general may be used while attacking. This is covered in skill books by "while attacking" "when leading army" etc
@@EvonyGuides ok thanks for this info bro
With the addition aethelfaed , would she be in your top 10, because 55% attack and defense for mounted its crazy good.
yes for sure
@@EvonyGuides good because I'm making her one of my top boss monster killers
How and where do I find a bulk load of lvl 1 skill books to fill up general spaces before adding higher level skill books? Besides paying tons of gems in Academy,
I mean you participate in events both special events and hope for the best. There aren't any super easy ways of getting them tbh. All i did was buy them in the skill book shop like you mention
A place where I find easy level 1 books is at the wheel of fortune.
vikings chest wheel of fortune
Thanks for another helpful video. What would be the best skill books to use for a boss general? I was going to use mounted attack, defense and speed although I'm not to sure how effective the speed mechanic is. Would mounted HP be better? Also if a mounted attack book and a mounted attack vs monster book are both used on the same general do the buffs stack or only the higher one from the "vs monster" book?
Now that there are vs monster books you are best using mounted attack vs monsters, mounted attack and mounted HP. Although speed can be helpful against bossses, this book is no longer a good option now with better books becoming available. Any book that is able to be added, will work.
@@EvonyGuides does the mounted attack skill book stack on the vs monster attack or does the mechanics only utilize the vs monster?
@@ogfeen it stacks
Why Li Jing is not too good against monster? He has 30% mounted attack
He is just that he cannot have 2 skill books with mounted attack like others in the list
@@EvonyGuides For me he is the best now, but I understand that for more advanced players there are a lot of other factors like the skill books, or the addition of a dragon that position for example Martinus above Li Jing.
@@EvonyGuides Li jing lets me do the "mounted troop attack against monsters" but not the "mounted troop attack"
Would this make him a good general for boss monsters?
@@benjo004 He is a fine general, however as you have found out he cannot have the second attack book added. If you were able to obtain another boss general that can have this book added, those are going to be better. It is usually much easier said than done, therefore you can stick with li jing for a while before switching
Any thoughts on Nathanael Greene as a boos General ? Given the right skill books he’s a decent alternative considering the stamina saving.
yeah i mean he works for those looking to kill the level 10 boss or lower, as adding good gear to him will do just fine. This means he is great for those that do not spend money on the game and are active enough to get the most out of their free stamina.
@@EvonyGuides so not a long term solution then !?
At what stage do you think a player should have a decent set of gear ( kings and above) and General. I appreciate the sooner the better but for the majority who spend something but not fortunes can you do some videos on where you should be and what you should have by both time and level/ power .
Thks
@@therealisticgooner8267 well i can certainly have videos where I mention that, perhaps even a video solely for that at some point. I can say here though for now that you should have kings gear in under 2 months from first playing, and dragons gear after perhaps 6 months if you are very active with the no 1 or no 2 alliance.
@@EvonyGuides dang lol I better get a shift on then . I have a set of champions for Constance but other than a few minor pieces won am saving all my crafting items for a set of Kings . Any tips / recommendations . On how to improve the drop rate . I know I need a few more sub cities.Do the higher level subs produce better / higher level crafting items ?
@@therealisticgooner8267 I believe the higher subs do create better materials for your gear yes, it isn't going to be your primary method of getting them though. It is best to join as many rallies (or make them) against boss monsters for the materials and be sure to open all those chests! The king's gear scrolls shouldn't be too difficult to get after hitting boss 10 etc many times. Baibars and Cleopatra are good generals for drop rate and you can use the luck skill book if you don't have these generals, in addition, you may use the various ring gear that increases drop rate on your general/s.
Thanks for the Video. I have a question aout Skills in regards to Cleopatra, which 4 skills are best to assign her? Can you stack luck skill on her? Cheers
You cannot stack a luck skill on cleo. Also because she is best to be used as alliance rally joining general for increased rewards.. she does not need to be leveled up, cultivated or given any skill books. Although a ring that increases the drop rate of items is always a must! If you needed to use her to attack monsters and boss monsters for the time being feel free to add attack, HP and Defense books to her.. but keep in mind once you can replace her for a better Main Boss Killing General, those skills would have been 100% wasted
@@EvonyGuides I only use her for boss rallies, and as a sub city general so i put contructiuon skill, gold production and was told to add monsters respect for additional XP. I understand what you mean she is useless otherwise, but i'm only K21 so she does well for viking rallies. but i guess a ring could help with the luck if additional luck skill can't be added
The ring gives a nice bonus over time, worth the investment, just make sure you wait for a yellow fighters ring if possible
@@EvonyGuides I got a mounted kings ring building as we speak :-)
Awesome!
What abouy Cyrus the great, what use would you give him? And how do i skill him?
I would personally not use this general. This general has various different troop types includes in his default skill book/specialties. As players opt for using predominantly one troop type when attacking any given player, having a general that has buffs for more than one troop type, this general is not optimal for any task. If wanting to use him anyway, I would suggest Ranged Attack, Ranged troop range increase and ranged defense/HP. I see you have commented on a boss general video, but i do not know if you only wanted to use him for that purpose..? If you did, use Mounted attack, Mounted Attack against monster and Mounted HP
Love your videos 👍👍. What is the fastest way to get historic generals?
Claim the fragments from the chest daily (top right chest icon) 30 fragments gets you a general. Otherwise collecting gems and gold to refresh the tavern generals to eventually get a historical one to show up you'd like to buy with the gold
@@EvonyGuides Thankyou very much
For the first time ever you want your
Is Oda Nobunaga good ground general? He's in Japan culture also I'm not a coiner.
Trajan is better and is available in the tavern via refreshing it, therefore free players may obtain him. If you can't do that or don't want to try to get him, oda will still benefit your army just fine.
What March would you recommend for warlords?
at least 200k T10 mounted troops for a level one warlord, unless you had a much better march for ground troops
Ok thanks for the quick reply 😃
@@EvonyGuides I got 1043 wounded sending 300k t11to Warlord level 1. Remember Warlords specify what units are either better or worse against them. This last week the description said that they were dealing extra damage against mounted troops and receiving extra damage from Ground Troops. Maybe that's why. I used March size increase item to kill a Warlord Level 2 and Sending 375 K t11 i defeated the Warlord with 18k wounded.
@@dennisrodriguez3689 yes that is correct that ground is better however people tend to stick to mounted because their ground generals/troops aren't good. It can be a little harder to get zero wounded on these bosses but is still doable with less troops that you used but with higher wounded of course
You have to upgrade tavern in order to get more generals. Not hard to figure out.
How is Nathaniel Greene
He is not worthwhile unless you are a non-spender and wish to join lots of rallies all day. He will save stamina but you can also join rallies with baibar or cleo for increased rewards instead.
Which monster gives most hammers?
It is probably easier to attack regular monsters, just attack the highest level you can really but can attack boss monsters too. As far as i know it is somewhat random
английский не твой родной, не могу слушать, реально тяжело