Tire tractionizing explained
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- FOR RACING PURPOSES ONLY: Tractionizing tires will give you much better grip on ice surfaces, and can be done very easily.
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Has this been tired on dirt? Asking for a friend?
Why is it bad to use on a lsd equipped car?
I did this to my tires. I used one pushpin and started poking hole by hole. Now finally 2 weeks later I'm ready to race.
underrated comment
Is he done yet?
@@OkieDokieSmokie Still working on it unfortunately
I did this on my bare feet. It hurt like hell, but now I can run on ice like nobody's business.
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This is JUST for racing. Tire life is extremely short. I had a set that was done on an Evo and tires lasted a few days before chunking.
Monel Funkawitz I second this, I tried running tractionized tires on my WRX just to see how long they lasted and it was literally 3 hours before I wasn't comfortable running them any longer.
😂😂😂😂 they make it seem as if this is what you should do in the wintertime, im just waiting for someone to try and daily drive that shit 😵😵😵
thats just stupid
Having rules which limit the speed and capabilities is normal, especially for rallysport. Otherwise it would be too fast and too dangerous.
Case in point, Group B
And that folks is how you tenderize a tire.
all that's left is to grill it up and slather on some A1 sauce.
Ahahahhaha
You fuckin donkey
IT'S FUCKIN RAAAAW!
i have some years experience as a rally mechanic and i have seen tarmac tires being shaved (for that straight contact patch) but i have never seen this before.
Never did ice and snow rallies either , that could be the reason.
They sure look grippy.
yeah they wrote a comment here and they are not allowed to run whit spikes so thats why they have to do like this. i imagine its to make snow stick to the tire better.
Ive never seen it before either. We had a siping servicr at the shop i worked at. I personally wouldnt even sipe though. I just have a winter set and a summer set. Between the two, i get about 3 summers and 3 winters and thats just about how old tires shoukd be before the recommended discard date anyway. Saves money, and i dont chew up a perfectly good set of tires! Maybe it grips better, but with friction comes wear.
did you read the fact this is for racing
brandon dumont this youtube video is advertising overall traction improvement, and one of their main points is better snow/ice performance.
and the only time you do this is for rally as the tire meant for 1 race as they wont last long.
What your gonna end up with is a tires that will last you 500 miles on pavement
Walk 500 miles to get back?
Joseph Ho then walk 500 more
would you be the man that walks 1000 miles?
Maybe
Rayjay25 to fall down at your door?
should note that tire resurfacing is a no-no in many rulebooks these days
But this doesn't get a new surface but just a surface adjustment, so allowed?
QuiznosBear what was resurfaced?
yes this is allowed if done on a new tire , if you drive it on any road it will fly apart in a day or two , so only for ice and snow , also studded tires exist and would last longer
You eat corn the long way and that's a big no-no
@@randomusernumber1 this is done for ice/snow racing only when there are rules where studs are not permitted. Ofcourse the tire wont last long even on ice especially while racing...
is it possible to get two tractionizers and put the car on, if its got a welded diferential?
otm646 Wasted time & fuel.
Observing Rogue wasted time and fuel? Lol. It wouldn't take any extra time. You have to do each tire individually, regardless of whether the other tie on the axle is in the air or propped up on a tire. Even if it did take extra time and fuel, I don't think anyone would care about an extra half a cup of fuel.
xDrifz run a track system with them
Andrew Delashaw. Time & money are precious. Unless you're enjoying yourself, meditating, or just thinking, if you can reduce the time to do something, like bundle, or be more efficient, and there's no real extra risk, then I say, go for it. Time should be used to make money or happiness, or to sort something out. If scientists found, perfected, and marketed the cure for aging, so we could live forever, I don't think we would be having this conversation. Then again, even with forever, let's try to get things done sooner, if it won't dramatically cost safety & quality.
Then there's fuel. I'm loyal to BEVs & Turbine Hybrids, and making my own fuel. But even if I was doing this on battery power alone, I would try to do as many wheels at once, as possible. And do to the time & money costs of fuel, and the possible severity of it's environmental impact. I don't take burning any lightly. It better be for a good reason, or a good time. In my opinion.
Observing Rogue you mean "when" not "if"
Ice tires are made of a softer rubber as well. Good to change them in the spring and put summer tires on. Thanks for the video
I'd really like to see some sort of test or something cause I'm super skeptical. If it were so good, then why don't tires come like this from the factory?
Alex MacLean ah, I see. That makes sense
this channel is called teamoneilrally xD probably makes sense that they do rally videos xD
life time..
Leave it to the pros. Those tires not for daily basis.
They don't last for shit
Make a video comparing the traction before and after.
Exactly
I would like to see testing video done on these. Before and after.
I think I saw this at bed bath and beyond.Ultra steak tenderizer right????????
I can't help but wonder if it would be better to just tractionizer the outer parts of the tire and leave an unmolested strip in the middle for longevity
Imagine stuffing someone's face on the tractionizer while spinning
imagine stuffing your face on the tractionizer while spinning
Imagine, if we call someone ____ face, does that mean we basically minced their ____?
Alec Fleming try that in english next time
+Kenta Yamaguchi gskofnsgg hhskod jdhbdkia ???!¿ XD
+Chris Johnston *super jump Internet high five*
Idk why that's so satisfying to watch.
For LSDs you could just use two tractionizers, right?
Mac Doodles you could yes, or place the other end of the car on a jack stand if you only have 1
Or jusy buy a winter set of tires. Run a summer set and a winter set. It will ladt you a lot longer.
More friction (grip) also means more wear. And im skeptical your warranty for your tires will live through this machine...
@@SupernovaSpence you do realize he's not saying you should do this on the road it's for racing only
Note that the spinning tire is going twice as fast as the indicated speed due to the open diff
My grandpa made one of those more than 60 years ago.worked awsome in snow and all weather.where did you buy yours
120.765 pieces of rubber left on the road after 10 km.
I did this on an old pair of tires and now my tires flat. Please help, how do I undo this?
Coyn11 Lol you don't
Pro-noblem dude! They got this stuff called fix a flat. Just squirt an entire can in each tire and your golden bro! Ready to shred some serious knar knar on the cheap!
Ctrl+Z
1:47 lol the dash is lit up like a christmas tree.
Yes. At Team O'Neil, they have some cars where they disable TC, ABS, Stability Control, and other vehicle electronics because in that type of driving it can sometimes be a hindrance.
Also, they have a racing seat, full cage, and racing harness in this car, so the airbags are disabled because they would be a useless explosion.
That's what the lights are.
RyanRants totally. Race cars rip a bunch of driving nannies out. Modern ECUs get mad and throw lights. Who cares. Go pedal. Whoa pedal. Changey geary pedal. What more do you need?
Couldn't have said that better myself.
Michael Sestito lol do you know what any of those mean???? You'd understand if you did
some times? lol allways :P. and airbag is not only a useless explosion its dangerus. its not realy that bad to hit a tree doing high speeds but when you have an airag it will exploade in your face and might actualy some times get you stuck in the car and if the car is burning or somthing then it will hinder your posability to get out. and as hard as you drive these cars the airbag whold expload in your face mid rally.
Damn they look grippy.. Wouldn't mind doing this on an old set of winter tires that are near their end just to see how well it works. Anyone know where I can get a tenderizer, uh, tractionizer?
Also if your speedometer reads 20 with one wheel locked, you're going 40.
this is for driving on ice only, nothing else. your tires will be done in 20 minutes
If you used this solely on an ice course, how long would they last?
if you wanna comment something about the tires please read the description first.
I was like why do we need to know this.. then at the end I was like OH! Rally school
this doesn't look safe to do even though I see the demonstration obviously working
No different to a dyno. Nothing stopping you from strapping the car as you would on a dyno if that would put your mind at ease also.
Noman you should stay inside and lock the doors.
If it was that good, they would sell the tyres all ready like this.
TheDutyPaid people would be mad their tires lasted a day or two
TheDutyPaid it's for rally
Then why don't the tyre manufacturers make them already like this 'for rally'?
easy enough to do, so let the team do it.. everyone is going to want something different anyhow, some might only run them for 30 second on the tractionizer
You must know more about rally than these jokers teaching in a rally driving school.
How long do those tires last after doing that
With cuts all over is there really much holding the thread together? I have a feeling pieces are gonna start coming off after awhile at high speeds
On ice and snow, they last essentially forever, but if you go out and drive hard on pavement, you can wear them out VERY quickly. A few laps on a track and they'd be ruined, but for ice racing or something they'd last all season.
Could you do this on a Ferrari pilot sports cup tires??
For racing great, for the regular driver you've cut the tire life down to a quarter of what it would of been
That blizzak is going in the wrong direction, does that make a difference when chewing up the rubber in the wrong direction?
Why does the opposite wheel have to be chocked, what's the difference if it was just free spinning ???
Only thing i did not hear is why is there more grip? It is because snow grips best on snow so you want the tire to hold the snow on it.
It provides more "biting" edges on the surface. Essentially more tread blocks. It also makes the tread blocks deform more, allowing the biting edges to protrude more, acting like miniature paddles.
do a comparison test with stock protector and tractionized one on ice
Shame you don't get to use proper rally tires over there, is anyone pushing for it?
they do.. but for ice racing "proper rally tires" are winter tires...
Where did you buy this or is it homemade?
Is there much difference between tires for snow and ones for Ice? On one had, you might have both at the same event/stage, but i would think that snow behaves like slippery dirt, and Ice like slippery tarmac, so do you have specialized tires for Snow vs Ice?
They have a video on this topic simply titled "Winter Tires"
thanks, ill go find it.
ice needs studs .. not chewed up rubber
Or studless technology
And btw. If you stop 1 tire..and the other spins...it may read 20 on the dash. But its actually 40..
Does TON offer this as a service to regular people/commuters? I wonder if I can get my winter tires tractionized (though I live in IL and would have to find someone local).
You won't be able to drive for very long before those little lugs break off and you will have to replace the tires. This is for racing purposes where tires are replaced after each event.
Need to do a before and after video to see if it is iven worth it?
Would this be beneficial on an all season tire in the snow just to soften tread and create more biting edges?
+IAMJAKETRIMBLE i feel like if you tried to drive these for to long the treads will just fall apart. they usually get rid of tires after each event so they don't have to worry too much about longevity.
This is NOT for road use.
heck no.. not if you like the tires lasting..
TDPEquinox Productions Can this be OK faintly done? Like shallower and the nails spaced farther apart? Or for normal road use, soft compound knobby tires with studs, are best?
TDPEquinox Productions ...If snow tires are not available, and I can only fit off road tires. I mean.
looks like if you put down some power and the wheels start spinning chunks of rubber will come off, i guess they are intended for 1 use?
BC Joshiee yeah just for one rally stage hehe.
If i did this to a summer tire, would I gain all season traction in winter?
What would happen if you put a car with ESP or traction control on
man that is a pretty wheel!
something most people wouldn't know. I love that.. :D
Is this only used at certain times and certain events? Ive seen videos for example of CRC cars pulling into pits after stages with tires without studs or this type of treatment.
I have to imagine studs would be an issue on tarmac transits if the State does not allow studs.
+Tyler Linner - you have no idea how much I appreciate the small simplicity of your comment. Since you've visited, the comments have gone to hell, haha, and your comment is one of only a few comments with sanity.
Canadian Rally Championship uses tires of all sorts, except studs aren't allowed in Ontario and WRC-style studded tires aren't legal in Quebec. To get any sort of grip, you have to have tractionized or studs for rally levels of speed.
But, the problem becomes rallies like the Rally of the Tall Pines, where sections of the rally are on gravel and other sections are on snow and other sections are on ice. Getting grip on these different surfaces is a trade-off. You can't use tractionized tires at Tall Pines because they will melt and studded tires like WRC has is not legal. So, you use street-legal DOT winter tires without studs. That's what you would have seen, most likely.
I would like to see a real test ride on the tires.
Now you got a fucked up tire
whats wrong with the comment section ?!
months before everyone had humble discussions but today its just idiots yelling that this method is stupid for daily driving...
well no shit, rallyoneill -> rally team -> rally videos -> rally techniques
Do a burnout on these... oh wait.
Roadmast3r Wrong channel.
Will that work for my feet ???
So basically ruin the tire?
Couldn’t you do this with a good used set of winter/all season tires and get NEAR the same results?
Yes, we did some used tires but little pebbles and sand particles get stuck in between the sipes of winter tires... Then if you put them on the tractionizer, they will bend and damage the little tacks on the wheels. It took a long time with pliers to get the tacks straight and happy again, but some are chipped and broken. Since then, we only use new tires.
Is it for sale?
Were can i buy this tractionizer?
Can this be done to street cars
im going to assume this wont hurt the diff?
Uh will this work if I run all the way to Ahtohallan?
Would about for gravel and dirt rallycrossing in winter tires? Does this help or na? I heard its the sharp big blocks that help with dry traction for ppl using winter tires for rallycross instead of proper rally tires
Gravel and dirt are a different surface. You're comparing apples and oranges to pears and plums.
The big blocks on the gravel and dirt do work well, yes. But that's for gravel and dirt, and sometimes snow. These tires are dedicated just for ice usage.
I'm interested in doing this to a set of sxs tires "RS1" for ice racing. Can you do a video of this for an atv tire also where do I get the machine or do I have to build it?
How well does it work on wet roads? I bought shitty tires a while back and they slip everywhere...
also... it seems like this would cause the tires to wear out a lot faster, is that also the case?
Might improve wet handling a little, but DEFINITELY causes much faster tire wear. We only use this for ice racing when studs aren't allowed.
Where do I buy this pocket dyno?
Only in 'murica. We and the environment thank you.
when you chew a candy into small bits then suck it then its gone faster. think this will do the same more bits will eat them up faster?
id assume creating such small pices of rubber, that now they are weak and estremely soft. seems like the tire would wear out in a single season.
why not do two tires at once?
Have raced for 15 years and never have I come across this.
That's not a good idea
Pikapetey Animations bad idea for daily driving but good idea for rally stages
will it work on my slicks?
Why tractionizing can't be done with limited slip differential.
You do realize, if the speedometer reads off the transmission, that because of one wheel being locked up, it actually will spin twice as fast as the driveshaft. So your wheel is really going 40mph, unless you speedometer reads off the wheels.
If it roll an the tire rolls how does it work
How do you do these one 2wd vehicles ?
Cubed Steak tires?
Ice tires? Without studs?
In some countries like USA and Canada, ice racing tires are not permitted to have studs. This is the best way we can get grip. Studs often damage roads, so rally racing organizations don't allow their competitors to use the studs.
is it legal..?
Where can I buy one of these, can't find them online
Top secret, email scoty@rogers.com
What about tthe before after test?? Nothing??
is this legal?
Porque que a fábrica de pneus não fez isso antes?
Doesn't that void your tire warranty?
That's not the point. It's meant for rallies where, due to various reasons, studded tyres are banned.
Cool, so what do you do if you have a vehicle with an LSD?
+Kenny TV Find someone with a car that has a open diff
+Kenny TV Put one on each driven wheel.
+Kenny TV build 4 tractionizers and have at it
Easiest thing to do would be to put the rim on your grocery getter
But the tyres will blow quickly of something hits them
any tips for studded tires? (road legal studs)
There are different studs available, we've really been liking the square-tipped ones on Nokian tires this year over the normal round-tipped studs. The length of the stud should just protrude from the rubber for street use, if you go oversized for racing they will work great for a little bit but tend to fall out pretty quickly... Some folks add glue to the stud holes, but it can really gum up your stud gun. If you find a better way to keep oversized studs in let us know! Oh also you should install studs when the tire is new, if the tires is used there is always some sand or debris in the stud holes... When you install studs and drive around that can work through the carcass and you can get flat tires pretty easily. It's a gamble you might win, but we've seen tires fail that way after some use.
Thanks O'riellys
there are hand tools similar to a soldering iron with blades that we use on dirt track hoosier tires
That's for an entirely different purpose.
I did this on my face once. Now I'm the fairest one of all.
What if I don't want to buy new tires once a week
it is for ice racing, and ice racing only, like on ponds where spikes are not allowed
I'm pretty sure that process removed lots of years from the tire itself.
and, how much miles/kilometers run this tyres on ice/snow?
They usually only need to make it through a race, but some of our instructors run them all winter up here in northern NH without a problem. I ran a set of tractionized tires on an e36 BMW all winter long and it was great, but we see A LOT of snow and ice and not too much highway driving.
@@Teamoneilrally thanks. I have to trail it. :)
More grip: ok, time for new tires: next week
This would increase grip but would severely decrease tire life.
A tyre tenderizer basically
20 mph on the speedometer after going through the differential with the other tire static yealds a 40 mph rotation on the tractionizer... Just an observation.
teller of truth# keep your smart mouth shut unless you're looking for a jackpot. Nobody pissed in your Cheerios. 99% have no idea what a differential dose. DGYAK
Not a bad idea but I think that was an excessive time on the rollers. 1/4 of that would be great for one winter.
not for one winter this is a rally school channel. mean to last one race.
DreamTheory the point is not to apply this to the same degree on a daily driver. But to get maximum traction while using one set of snow tires a winter.
but even then your only gonna get a few days maybe weeks out of them. they start to eject large chunks and usually if pushed blow out. its literally a one race and bin them deal.
Than you are smarter then michelin pirelli etc . Good for you