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New 981 S owner here. I used to mod my cars with mechanical upgrades, but I am done with that at my age. The cars are so good from the factory, it's almost arrogant of me to think I can improve it by throwing a parts catalog at it. I do my own work and will use OEM parts as practical. I will only mod if it's an improvement to a known issue. I added brake caliper studs to the wheel carriers to avoid the issue of cross threading regular bolts into the carrier, as an example. Otherwise, I'll keep it as stock as the motherland intended.
I have done some modifications to my 997 C2S. BBS wheels, DSC controller, custom hand finished hood badge, GT3 short shifter, PPF, and Alpine unit with wireless CarPlay. I still have all of the original parts to return it to stock if needed.
I’ve done almost everything you did, and like you, I kept everything to go back to original if need be. The wireless Alpine is the best thing I’ve done to it by far🎉
Damn .....R stripes on my base cayman....light tint 3m pro installed... GUILTY! I mostly agree with you all. But if it all comes off and is not permanent go for it!
I’ll admit that I am a purist. I view each model as a blend of art and science. I feel that the engineers at Porsche design these cars after years of research. They didn’t get stupid over night. If you want the newer version just go buy it. Each model has its own DNA and I view it that I am just the current caretaker.
I agree with so much on this pod! I also think that mods generally decrease the value as most 911 buyers are so particular. That being said, enjoy YOUR car and if the mods are reversible, even better. Whatever you do, don’t try to label or make your car something that it isn’t. But I’m a fan of customization and it’s all about personal preference. Best example is all the restomod/backdate cars that are tastefully done and desirable. The opinions only really matter at time of sale/purchase.
Anything that is bolt on and reversible seems to be out of the bad mod category. Also for older cars say 996 and down any suspension or brake mod seems to be perfectly fine as it’s an upgrade and most likely a necessary repair. Decals, wheels, ride height, steering wheel, seats, head lights are no brainers. Just keep the original parts with the car. I think most owners would welcome displacement upgrades like 3.6 to 3.8 while rebuilding engine. It’s things like taking a C4 to C2 or changing original colors (unless it’s a complete strip down) are mods that might be only detrimental when and if you decide to sell. Good discussion guys.
I run my 987 on its original 17 inch wheels for ride quality on terrible UK roads, many would be itching to go bigger no doubt but I am happy to stay factory exact on my car, so I live with the halogen headlights and CD player too, 2007 was a good year.
I agree with most of your comments. However, summers where I live get up to 110°F, so a light, tasteful, professionally-installed window tint on my 993 has been a lifesaver. Saves the interior, and the AC doesn’t have to work as hard.
when I bought my 99 996 C4 Cab 4 years ago it had a single din Alpine radio with a screen that slid out and tilted up every time you started the car. Drove me crazy running around town. Bought a double din replacement trim kit and a Pioneer 8500 NEX double din unit. Loaded a cutaway isometric picture of a 996 into the software as first screen. If you had an issue with a Tesla or Ford F150 type large screen that was full height of the center area, I would agree. The car came with "CARRIA" logo sticker on each side full length between the wheel wells. Looks OK. Car came with a matching hard top and has only been on when I bought it and one winter thereafter. I replaced the old headlight unit with rebuilt Bi-LED light units. This improved the night brightness. I am surprised that mufflers were not on your list. First mod was the Fister 996 sport exhaust exchange. Best move ever. Have a 2015 Turbo Cab with NO mods. Don't intend to change anything.
Strong comments starting about 3:30 regarding living w the car before modifying. Would take that further in the case of new car buyers...look carefully at the standard equipment for your car as that may well be very satisfactory (or even outstanding !).
19 diameter is factory fit for 997 and look the correct size. Now 20 s would look to big. I not long sold a set of BBS LM and now wearing Ruf which is much cooler and easier to maintain.
When I road Harley Davidson I only used items from Harley installed by the dealership Just got my first sports car 2025 boxster S manual I ain’t smarter then any Porsche engineer This car is beyond perfect in my opinion I’ll just drive it
OEM+ is the way to go. Wherever possible, use Porsche OEM parts from other variants of your car. Want a short shifter for your Cayman? Get the GT4 assembly. Same for wheels, brake kits, shift knobs, interior trim, etc. Factory Porsche stuff is tasteful, doesn’t detract from the value of the car, and is made very well.
FYI when configuring the next time I will delete the model number reason? when I wash my car is very painful to clean between the letters and numbers and impossible to Zymol, I really don't care about what other may think I am trying to look like... they don't pay my bills and the ignorance involved specially when they do not know the reasoning behind the intent.
can you guys do a podcast about the 997? not sure if you guys have a lot of experience or not with that generation but i think that would be interesting to listen to you guys talk about your opinion on the generation
gotta say that I disagree on the ECU flash tune. I have a 991.2 S and it's just SO easy and inexpensive to wring a little more performance out of it by optimizing the tuning with a mod. I also feel that SO much of the engine tuning in EVERY modern car (that is not a hypercar) has to be done in a way to minimize emissions and maximize fuel efficiency due to regulations and CAFE rules. This often leaves a lot of performance "on the table". INTELLIGENTLY done changes can add a LOT to the car, adding very little risk, and minimal downside. ECU tuning is a goodexampoe of this. I am not talking about custom dyno tuning for 100 octane gas but "gentle" safe, modes which help smooth out throttle response and maximize performance. And before anyone calls BS, remember that the 991.2 base Carerra, S and GTS all use the exact same engine. The S has "slightly" large turbo blade (1 mm I think) and the GTS has a slightly larger turbo, but the major changes in power between the 3 levels is mostly due to tuning (boost pressure, fuel delivery, etc.) vs. mechanics. It is very easy (and fairly inexpensive to "unlock" the potential of that motor with an aftermarket tune from one of the well known/respected tuners (Softronic, Cobb, APR, M-Performance, Fabspdeed).
I have a 1968 911. Someone had fitted it with a modern Blaupunkt which just didn’t look right. I just fitted a 70’s Becker Europa II with the pinstripe faceplate, all of the internals had been upgraded, including a blue tooth addition. Works great and looks perfect. Chrome London provided it, excellent to deal with and their work is outstanding. Pricey, but isn’t everything that is good!
Love this show! I believe Will’s mic is picking Derick’s voice and causing slight feedback. I can hear it with headphones. Just wanted to give you a heads up. Keep it up!
I agree 100%. Any mods are only as good as, how does it drive, the parts used, detailed documentation, and by the individual who did the work. Even then, the mods are likely a liability if you plan to sell.
@@RennthusiastGood point to start with, when I asked you about adding decals on my 993 doors, I was simply interested in your personal opinion Will, cuz I like the mods you've done to your cars (even the plaid seats), so I asked if you thought it looks douchey or cool or neutral? BTW, thx again for your courteous reply (I for one, can verify, you're not an a**hole - you love people who love Porsches, BMWs & Land Cruisers)
🍕You two guys are smoking purist Hog? Asking others for their mod opinion is not because you care to impress folks , it’s like slapping on a shirt or a hat and asking a friend how it looks . Those types of people are refreshing because they are honest about not knowing what looks good or bad on them or their cars and asking for advice is wise. 19 inch wheels are fine on 997 up, 20 inch also, updated large screen head unit all day long. I think most of what you all said is because you two don’t have skill at tasteful mods and that’s ok because most people don’t either which is why this video exists.
Regarding the 997 - I agree with you on the updated head unit but 20's? Starts looking a little video gammy imo. Has anyone ever seen someone run 20" rear and 19" fronts on a 997? I imagine it being similar to the 992's offering 21" rear and 20" fronts.
Tinted lights is a big red flag for me as well. I keep on scrolling. The head unit is not an issue for me except that i worry if they cut the wires instead of purchasing the appropriate adapter
Hah! The carbon fiber hits home. I have a 996 Targa, and I bought it with adhesive carbon fiber trim all over the interior. It’s real carbon fiber, but that peel and stick crap that goes over the console, doors, speakers covers, etc. Man… when I first got it, I hated it; However, now I’ve had the car for a couple of years, it’s grown on me. In a strangely endearing way, it’s grown on me because it’s very late 90’s-early ‘00’s period appropriate. Is it goofy? Yup. Would I have chosen to do this mod myself? Never! But it’s part of the cars story, and I appreciate it… and, I think I heard it adds 3-5 hp.
I personally find the 996 Targa charming, especially driving BEHIND one and seeing that never ending windshield. Who cares if it's not the stiffest! I'm sure it's still very rewarding on back roads.
Well done, gents, I agree with everything. I bought a 1971 911T about 20 years ago that had a momo steering wheel. Thankfully, the owner included the original wood one.
996 owner - I fall into one category of swapping yellow turn signals to clear. I also plasti-dip my turbo twist wheels from silver to black, but it can all be reversed with 4hrs of work. Part of the PCA community, but unlike most MY2013 and newer, I do my own maintenance. Well kept car with documented maintenance since new. .
Not gonna lie guys, my hackles stood up when you started on 996 and wrapping. lol While I agree with you that it can be used to hide imperfections, most of the time it's used because the usual color you find these cars are silver, black and red. I personally can't stand the 996 in silver. It just reminds me of that decade and the boring cars that were coming out, ALL in silver so I changed mine. Now I bought my 996 Turbo S wrapped and I'm 💩 a little worrying what's under the wrap. ESPECIALLY since it had an accident reported in the front. So yeah, it's a gamble for most. For me, since I know these cars inside and out, as long as my ears and nose tell me the engine is good, I'm not gonna sweat it. ✌🏼
I am seriously considering buying a 1992 Carrera RS. How do you feel about adding electric a/c for comfort on long weekend or extended tour trips? Thanks
Electric AC is expensive and complicated to install. I have never done it but have friends who did a loved it. Just gotta be willing to deal with the $$$ and pain of install.
Unless I'm mistaken weren't you able to add this BACK in, in period? I personally say go for it unless for collecting purposes your goal is to keep it exactly as THAT vin number left the factory. I'd also consider your use case.
I feel you missed all the non-GT cars with a massive wing on the back without a matching front lip... but I'm with you on the tints (especially if badly applied and way too dark) and the over-sized wheels.
I have Lindsey Racing 17” Fuchs on my 73 targa. It also has a 3.2L Moronic engine, so I needed modern rubber. Looks fine, no one knows they are 17s until they look and see Michelin Pilot Sports underneath.
In regards to wrapping a car, it's also kind of an expense and it is not permanent if you want it to be. You have a time limit with a wrap, then you must remove it for a fee, then pay again to re wrap it. Up to you I guess. I wanted to, but it seems to much of a depreciating mod to me.
@@mermaidengine I think that if you’re going to wrap a car, you need to do it for you. It’s a lot of money for a color change that does nothing for the value of the car because it’s not real. I would be very hesitant to buy a car that was wrapped because you’re buying the unknown state of the paint underneath. If you find a car that checks all the boxes except the wrong color, it’s an option, but I would just try to find the car in that color to begin with.
On my 99 996 C4 blk with grey interior. All stock except BBS sport classic 2,s in gold and polished lips 18” summer use. Silver turbo twists 18” winter. Coil over at the same time I replaced all arms and new bolts. Miltec exhaust system. Factory short shift kit. Decals on 1/4 windows ref parts fitted and car clubs I belong to and met I go to. Zunsport grill covers in black. May carry out some more changes in 2025. Poss complimentary tartan in the seats. If I do I will go console delete, diff gear knob and a sparco 3 spoke wheel. Something that looks period.
Will - this is a really common issue with amateur podcasters, but the way you have your mic positioned results in us hearing every breath you take and every sigh. It also picks up any plosives as pops. Some of us get REALLY bothered by this. :D If you copy your cohost's setup, the problem will go away and the listening experience will be much better.
I have the same mic set up as Derek but haven’t put it together yet. I am in the process of moving and the plan is to have a dedicated studio at the new house. In the meantime, please bear with me. 😅
I love modded turbos because you pay under value and all the mods for free most of the time. it goes without saying that it has to be done right with quality parts. great discussion gents. cheers
New Porsche owner here, for not even 6 weeks. 2025 BGTS without any decals, but I want to add matte black PPF around the front window surround like the Spyder RS. Little apprehensive b/c of trying to make it look like something else, but I just love the look with the black roof. Will likely do it anyway, only other mod would be the grills for the front to protect the radiator. Perhaps you guys can give a little more attention to Boxster/Cayman owners as I find most of your content is towards the 911.
Congratulations on the new car! So you're talking about an all black greenhouse right? What color is the rest of the car? Either way... If you can afford a car this new you can easily afford to remove it if you're not crazy about the finished product. Good call on the upgraded radiator grills.
@@spatrick8035rennline are the nicest. They have the correct mesh pattern (akin to factory Porsche mesh) and are installed properly from the rear (as Porsche does). A bit more work but a better solution all around.
I always mod cars in this order. 1. Address any deferred maintenance / failing parts to restore the car to a reliable mechanical condition. 2. Upgrade brakes / lower suspension up to 2" front, 1.5" rear with matched dampers springs. This allows you to extract even more of what the engine is already offering. 3. If needed up to 2" larger wheels, however on a newer car that likely already comes with HUGE wheels, consider stickier rubber. If upgrading wheels select ones that weigh no more than your OEM as this could add unsprung weight. 4. Intake solution of your choice (drop in, swiss cheese airbox, full kit) and sports exhaust (at least muffler all the way up to header back depending on your budget and goals) 5. Interior / exterior cosmetics.
Remember any wraps or decals are removable it’s not a big deal plus it could be protecting the car a little bit that’s no different than putting stickers on the rear quarter window, That’s all personal preference no different than color and a whole lot easier to change have fun with the car for crying out loud. I’m thinking of some ghost stripes on my silver Porsche but it is about picking the perfect color. Hairdryer or heat gun on a low setting you can have those decals off and nothing flat, Oh yeah great tip gasoline pulls off the sticky goo faster than anything else I’m sure the Germans were smart enough to figure that gasoline doesn’t affect the paint I did it on my 2014 removing the old rear fender guard glue.
As far as decals go, what are your thoughts of small decals in regards to UV staining? If my car is black, and if I get a sticker for a long time is it going to discolour my car permanently if I then remove it some day?
Original isn't regional dependent works anywhere,tires mods canb vry tricky for efficiency performance handling again vry great advise of driving a porsche for atleast a summester or two b4 thinking of any mod cuz if for some reason done mod doesn't prove fruitful then "demodify" can cost unintended time & money, tints stints r bkuming ethics but hazardous doesn't matter legal great point made stay away from tinted lights signals but keep porsche reality alive
I have a 996.1 and have replaced parts like a console with a carbon fiber one. The steering wheel 4 spoke is ugly and replaced that with a carbon fiber and alcantara one that looks great. Gold BBS with diamond cut outer looks great on my black car. My fav exhaust is a Fabspeed headers on back.
So here's a question. You give good advice to buy the car and build a baseline appreciation for what it is & can do, before you start modding it. Good advice. What if you buy a car that's been modded? Maybe only slightly so. Would you take it back to stock, then drive it for a while before modding it, or would you drive it as it is in order to establish that baseline? I'm guessing the answer is that it would depend on the mods. E.G. slammed and stances = return to stock. Short shifter = baseline your experience with the mod. Thoughts?
Wow great question as it's common to run into modded cars when you're in the market. Here's my take. If I intend to do mods anyway and the current owner has done some of the mods I plan on doing anyway, AND they bought quality brands (ie Bilstein, H&R, ohlins vs Ebay) then I'd learn more about who installed the parts, how many miles ago, and how the car has been used. If it has mods on it that I KNOW I'd need to remove in order to enjoy the car I'd look at how much time or money it would take to remove and put in the replacement that I want. If the effort to sort it out to your liking exceeds the value of the mods you DO like I'd walk away and keep shopping.
What do you think about engine conversions? For example, Sharkwerks, BGB, and Hartech can upgrade the 3.8L to 4.1L engines with significantly more HP and torque.
Finances permitted, I'd like the same DeMan motor Matt Farah is using in my 997. But of course there in lies the rub... Finances permitted I wouldn't BE in a 997, I'd be in a 991.2 C4S.
@@Mr.P7318 Interesting take. I always think of 997/996 as completely different cars than 991/992, which appear physically huge and less steering feel. The upgrade of a 997.2 4S 9A1 motor to 997.2 GT3/RS Mezger would be a congruent move upward, and much more expensive than doing the engine conversions. I’m just not sure the next buyer would pay extra for the upgrade though, whereas the GT3/RS will probably double in value over the next 10 years.
Good point to start with, when I asked you about putting the decals along the lower portion of my 993 doors, I was simply interested in your personal opinion Will, cuz I like the mods you've done to some of your cars, so I asked if you thought it looks douchey or cool or neutral? BTW, thx again for your courteous reply (I for one, can verify, you're not an as*hole - you love people who love Porsches, BMWs & Land Cruisers)
Wheels. Only if it's made by BBS, Forgeline, Fikse or any other fully forged brand with sanctioned motorsport history made in the USA/Japan/Germany (i.e. not made in China/Taiwan). No spacers. No hub-centric rings. Anything else undignified. Also, it's not just offset. It's width, offset and diameter.
Hey Will, loving your Podcast but I miss the content on your Rennthusiast channel. You got a yellow 996? Let’s see some pictures and hear the story. Also, will either of you guys be at Amelia this year?
Carbon fiber is 🗑️ unless it’s in the chassis If the wood trim depends on the exterior color red+ wood is awful 996 would be awesome if the interior wasn’t so bad if the interior is black I’d get tint most taillights aren’t using film to tint they are using a rattle can ls swaps are awesome because when you’re Porsche engine fails you can get an aluminum 5.3l,5.7l,6.0l or 6.2l for less than a replacement flat 6 and increase the power and torque by a very noticeable amount all you have to do is trade the stock sound for a v8 sound & resale doesn’t change much.
Re: tunes...most of them are illegal in California, so if you have one you are limiting your buying audience. Even reflashing to stock is not always successful. Check the Calif CARB-approved list of tunes before you do it.
i wouldn't put a turbo or supercharger on a 996. Having the motor bored out with nickies. Gladly buy that car if done by a professional like Jake Raby.
Love the content, but turn down the sensitivity on your mic. Listening to your breathing during the video was a bit annoying lol. I have never noticed it on your other videos, but it was very noticeable here.
There's nothing wrong with an aftermarket stereo in a 996/997, or any 911 really. It's easily reversible and frankly "period correct" is only a concern for flippers. If you care most about resale to period correct folks then just swap the stereo back when you're done with it. First thing I did to my 997.1 turbo was put in a Sony XAV-9000 and it greatly enhanced my enjoyment of the car. Spending time worrying about resale value and avoiding doing things that make you enjoy the car is such a shame in my view. Do what you like, make it good for you, who cares what other people think? I don't give a crap about the resale value of my car cause I am not going to sell it. If I was, I'd prep it for sale before hand.
You guys must feel really good about yourselves, being the authority on how a Porsche should look. Not that I disagree with everything, but to make a video on it is lame... Also, edit out the hippo breathing, that is a no. no when being an experienced TH-cam content creator.
This was one of the more snooty episodes you've ever done. Found myself rolling my eyes throughout. I wouldn't do some of these but I'm all in favor of porsche owners expressing themselves with their cars. Window tint? Really?
Thanks for the reply. Just remember, we are not Porsche authorities and all these videos are just meant to be two friends chatting off the cuff about a random topic each week. I completely agree with you that in most cases everyone should do what they want to do because it’s their car. That being said, it’s fun to explore the subject. I hope you enjoy the next one!
@Derek-Rennthusiast No hard feelings brother! I'm still subbed and at the end of the day we all share a passion for Porsche, regardless of our differing opinions. I think it's great that you guys share so many of the same opinions as friends, but maybe for the sake of the podcast, you guys can flip a coin and take the opposite side of a debate just to hear both sides. Then perhaps it won't come off as shouting down from your soapbox. Or "old man yells at clouds" to reference the Simpsons meme 😂
I'm also tired of seeing guys wearing their hats backwards, screen print t-shirts, and oversized, poorly fitted / sagging jeans too. Can we actually dress like grown men?
@philnleblanc6664 I respect your opinion and let me further share mine. It's the difference between looking like a seasoned, degreed adult with a career and a mortgage vs looking like someone out here playing make believe, hot rodding in their daddy's car. There are many ways to dress casual (ie Will and Derek who just hosted this) and still look like an adult, but what looks "undignified" is dressing like you would be a better fit in a Civic or WRX. I look forward to your rebuttal.
@@Mr.P7318I don't care at all what other men wear. Sounds kind of gay personally but that's okay with me if you are. Playing fashion police because you own a certain car is weird as hell.
@@Mr.P7318seasoned career guy over here. And have no issues throwing on my Porsche Puma’s. At all. Drive a 911 with one mod, window tint. Hard top in my garage that will never go on…..and yea the interior looks like 2003 but I likely will keep finding cassettes from my favorite artists and running a Bluetooth adapter. In my world, it’s fun to dress down and let folks judge you. On the other hand, it’s also fun to get some merch and represent your Porsche however way you want…..hat, keychain, leather jacket…..I’m not out here judging folks.
New 981 S owner here. I used to mod my cars with mechanical upgrades, but I am done with that at my age. The cars are so good from the factory, it's almost arrogant of me to think I can improve it by throwing a parts catalog at it. I do my own work and will use OEM parts as practical. I will only mod if it's an improvement to a known issue. I added brake caliper studs to the wheel carriers to avoid the issue of cross threading regular bolts into the carrier, as an example. Otherwise, I'll keep it as stock as the motherland intended.
I think this is a very reasonable approach!
The best mods are the ones that make the owner smile.
I have done some modifications to my 997 C2S. BBS wheels, DSC controller, custom hand finished hood badge, GT3 short shifter, PPF, and Alpine unit with wireless CarPlay. I still have all of the original parts to return it to stock if needed.
I’ve done almost everything you did, and like you, I kept everything to go back to original if need be. The wireless Alpine is the best thing I’ve done to it by far🎉
8:59 I think Will meant 20s on a 997 look terrible and I agree. Just way too big. A lot of 997's from factory come with 18s and 19s.
I think 20s on a 997 makes it look like a offroad car
19s are indeed on 997s
i agree with everything except the stereo. The modern stereo in my 986 has been such a plus. I need waze, apple carplay etc...
There are magnetic phone mounts for that.
Damn .....R stripes on my base cayman....light tint 3m pro installed... GUILTY! I mostly agree with you all. But if it all comes off and is not permanent go for it!
I’ll admit that I am a purist. I view each model as a blend of art and science. I feel that the engineers at Porsche design these cars after years of research. They didn’t get stupid over night. If you want the newer version just go buy it. Each model has its own DNA and I view it that I am just the current caretaker.
I agree with so much on this pod! I also think that mods generally decrease the value as most 911 buyers are so particular. That being said, enjoy YOUR car and if the mods are reversible, even better. Whatever you do, don’t try to label or make your car something that it isn’t. But I’m a fan of customization and it’s all about personal preference. Best example is all the restomod/backdate cars that are tastefully done and desirable. The opinions only really matter at time of sale/purchase.
Anything that is bolt on and reversible seems to be out of the bad mod category. Also for older cars say 996 and down any suspension or brake mod seems to be perfectly fine as it’s an upgrade and most likely a necessary repair. Decals, wheels, ride height, steering wheel, seats, head lights are no brainers. Just keep the original parts with the car. I think most owners would welcome displacement upgrades like 3.6 to 3.8 while rebuilding engine. It’s things like taking a C4 to C2 or changing original colors (unless it’s a complete strip down) are mods that might be only detrimental when and if you decide to sell. Good discussion guys.
I run my 987 on its original 17 inch wheels for ride quality on terrible UK roads, many would be itching to go bigger no doubt but I am happy to stay factory exact on my car, so I live with the halogen headlights and CD player too, 2007 was a good year.
2007 987.1 has better sounding engine and better daily suspension compliance than 2009 987.2
@computerhelpcc interesting to know, thanks.
Will, I really like that steam-punk table lamp behind you in your podcasts.
love these videos, great job as always gents!!
I agree with most of your comments. However, summers where I live get up to 110°F, so a light, tasteful, professionally-installed window tint on my 993 has been a lifesaver. Saves the interior, and the AC doesn’t have to work as hard.
when I bought my 99 996 C4 Cab 4 years ago it had a single din Alpine radio with a screen that slid out and tilted up every time you started the car. Drove me crazy running around town. Bought a double din replacement trim kit and a Pioneer 8500 NEX double din unit. Loaded a cutaway isometric picture of a 996 into the software as first screen. If you had an issue with a Tesla or Ford F150 type large screen that was full height of the center area, I would agree.
The car came with "CARRIA" logo sticker on each side full length between the wheel wells. Looks OK. Car came with a matching hard top and has only been on when I bought it and one winter thereafter.
I replaced the old headlight unit with rebuilt Bi-LED light units. This improved the night brightness.
I am surprised that mufflers were not on your list. First mod was the Fister 996 sport exhaust exchange. Best move ever.
Have a 2015 Turbo Cab with NO mods. Don't intend to change anything.
In Malaysia I will have tint but very light tint for Infra red, Total Solar Energy Rejection...it so hot here
Strong comments starting about 3:30 regarding living w the car before modifying. Would take that further in the case of new car buyers...look carefully at the standard equipment for your car as that may well be very satisfactory (or even outstanding !).
19 diameter is factory fit for 997 and look the correct size. Now 20 s would look to big. I not long sold a set of BBS LM and now wearing Ruf which is much cooler and easier to maintain.
Agreed!! 20's look too large and ride poorly.
18” was the original base fitment for the 997.
@@JJL206 Yes but 19s are also factory fitment and came on the majority of 997.
@@keyo525Absolutely!
@@JJL206My 997.2 GTS has factory 19” all around
When I road Harley Davidson I only used items from Harley installed by the dealership
Just got my first sports car
2025 boxster S manual
I ain’t smarter then any Porsche engineer
This car is beyond perfect in my opinion
I’ll just drive it
good video boys, i look forward to the next advice
Love the content boys keep it up.
100% agree on everything you said. There is no accounting for taste 😊. Well done.
OEM+ is the way to go. Wherever possible, use Porsche OEM parts from other variants of your car. Want a short shifter for your Cayman? Get the GT4 assembly. Same for wheels, brake kits, shift knobs, interior trim, etc. Factory Porsche stuff is tasteful, doesn’t detract from the value of the car, and is made very well.
bs … do what u want and don’t worry about value
Porsche Classic Radio? I have one in my 996, it looks great as though it came with it from the beginning.
Some 997’s come with 19” stock… I didn’t understand why you don’t like 19’s on a 997 💀💀💀
Every 997 except for the base model came with 19” wheels. It’s the 20” wheels that look terrible and ruin ride quality with less sidewall
FYI when configuring the next time I will delete the model number reason? when I wash my car is very painful to clean between the letters and numbers and impossible to Zymol, I really don't care about what other may think I am trying to look like... they don't pay my bills and the ignorance involved specially when they do not know the reasoning behind the intent.
Love it
can you guys do a podcast about the 997? not sure if you guys have a lot of experience or not with that generation but i think that would be interesting to listen to you guys talk about your opinion on the generation
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gotta say that I disagree on the ECU flash tune. I have a 991.2 S and it's just SO easy and inexpensive to wring a little more performance out of it by optimizing the tuning with a mod. I also feel that SO much of the engine tuning in EVERY modern car (that is not a hypercar) has to be done in a way to minimize emissions and maximize fuel efficiency due to regulations and CAFE rules. This often leaves a lot of performance "on the table". INTELLIGENTLY done changes can add a LOT to the car, adding very little risk, and minimal downside. ECU tuning is a goodexampoe of this. I am not talking about custom dyno tuning for 100 octane gas but "gentle" safe, modes which help smooth out throttle response and maximize performance. And before anyone calls BS, remember that the 991.2 base Carerra, S and GTS all use the exact same engine. The S has "slightly" large turbo blade (1 mm I think) and the GTS has a slightly larger turbo, but the major changes in power between the 3 levels is mostly due to tuning (boost pressure, fuel delivery, etc.) vs. mechanics. It is very easy (and fairly inexpensive to "unlock" the potential of that motor with an aftermarket tune from one of the well known/respected tuners (Softronic, Cobb, APR, M-Performance, Fabspdeed).
Thanks for sharing your perspective on tuning!
I have a 1968 911. Someone had fitted it with a modern Blaupunkt which just didn’t look right. I just fitted a 70’s Becker Europa II with the pinstripe faceplate, all of the internals had been upgraded, including a blue tooth addition. Works great and looks perfect. Chrome London provided it, excellent to deal with and their work is outstanding. Pricey, but isn’t everything that is good!
Best of all worlds, classic looks with modern conveniences!
Love this show! I believe Will’s mic is picking Derick’s voice and causing slight feedback. I can hear it with headphones. Just wanted to give you a heads up. Keep it up!
I agree 100%. Any mods are only as good as, how does it drive, the parts used, detailed documentation, and by the individual who did the work. Even then, the mods are likely a liability if you plan to sell.
I think you're exactly right.
@@RennthusiastGood point to start with, when I asked you about adding decals on my 993 doors, I was simply interested in your personal opinion Will, cuz I like the mods you've done to your cars (even the plaid seats), so I asked if you thought it looks douchey or cool or neutral? BTW, thx again for your courteous reply (I for one, can verify, you're not an a**hole - you love people who love Porsches, BMWs & Land Cruisers)
🍕You two guys are smoking purist Hog? Asking others for their mod opinion is not because you care to impress folks , it’s like slapping on a shirt or a hat and asking a friend how it looks . Those types of people are refreshing because they are honest about not knowing what looks good or bad on them or their cars and asking for advice is wise. 19 inch wheels are fine on 997 up, 20 inch also, updated large screen head unit all day long. I think most of what you all said is because you two don’t have skill at tasteful mods and that’s ok because most people don’t either which is why this video exists.
Regarding the 997 - I agree with you on the updated head unit but 20's? Starts looking a little video gammy imo.
Has anyone ever seen someone run 20" rear and 19" fronts on a 997? I imagine it being similar to the 992's offering 21" rear and 20" fronts.
Tinted lights is a big red flag for me as well. I keep on scrolling. The head unit is not an issue for me except that i worry if they cut the wires instead of purchasing the appropriate adapter
997.2 Turbo has 19's stock.
As does the S
@@raylebrun2885And GTS
Hah! The carbon fiber hits home. I have a 996 Targa, and I bought it with adhesive carbon fiber trim all over the interior. It’s real carbon fiber, but that peel and stick crap that goes over the console, doors, speakers covers, etc. Man… when I first got it, I hated it; However, now I’ve had the car for a couple of years, it’s grown on me. In a strangely endearing way, it’s grown on me because it’s very late 90’s-early ‘00’s period appropriate. Is it goofy? Yup. Would I have chosen to do this mod myself? Never! But it’s part of the cars story, and I appreciate it… and, I think I heard it adds 3-5 hp.
I personally find the 996 Targa charming, especially driving BEHIND one and seeing that never ending windshield. Who cares if it's not the stiffest! I'm sure it's still very rewarding on back roads.
Well done, gents, I agree with everything. I bought a 1971 911T about 20 years ago that had a momo steering wheel. Thankfully, the owner included the original wood one.
996 owner - I fall into one category of swapping yellow turn signals to clear. I also plasti-dip my turbo twist wheels from silver to black, but it can all be reversed with 4hrs of work.
Part of the PCA community, but unlike most MY2013 and newer, I do my own maintenance. Well kept car with documented maintenance since new. .
Love to hear about someone who works on their car. Bravo!
Not gonna lie guys, my hackles stood up when you started on 996 and wrapping. lol While I agree with you that it can be used to hide imperfections, most of the time it's used because the usual color you find these cars are silver, black and red. I personally can't stand the 996 in silver. It just reminds me of that decade and the boring cars that were coming out, ALL in silver so I changed mine. Now I bought my 996 Turbo S wrapped and I'm 💩 a little worrying what's under the wrap. ESPECIALLY since it had an accident reported in the front. So yeah, it's a gamble for most. For me, since I know these cars inside and out, as long as my ears and nose tell me the engine is good, I'm not gonna sweat it. ✌🏼
I am seriously considering buying a 1992 Carrera RS. How do you feel about adding electric a/c for comfort on long weekend or extended tour trips? Thanks
Electric AC is expensive and complicated to install. I have never done it but have friends who did a loved it. Just gotta be willing to deal with the $$$ and pain of install.
Unless I'm mistaken weren't you able to add this BACK in, in period? I personally say go for it unless for collecting purposes your goal is to keep it exactly as THAT vin number left the factory. I'd also consider your use case.
I feel you missed all the non-GT cars with a massive wing on the back without a matching front lip... but I'm with you on the tints (especially if badly applied and way too dark) and the over-sized wheels.
You’re right. Not a good look and tacky.
I have Lindsey Racing 17” Fuchs on my 73 targa. It also has a 3.2L Moronic engine, so I needed modern rubber. Looks fine, no one knows they are 17s until they look and see Michelin Pilot Sports underneath.
Interesting... Even if the size is not period correct the wheel appearance IS! I bet it looks great.
In regards to wrapping a car, it's also kind of an expense and it is not permanent if you want it to be. You have a time limit with a wrap, then you must remove it for a fee, then pay again to re wrap it. Up to you I guess. I wanted to, but it seems to much of a depreciating mod to me.
Interesting take. I def see what your saying
@ I suppose I was looking for your thoughts and opinions on wrapping. Do you think it's a good thing to do only if you have deep pockets maybe?
@@mermaidengine I think that if you’re going to wrap a car, you need to do it for you. It’s a lot of money for a color change that does nothing for the value of the car because it’s not real. I would be very hesitant to buy a car that was wrapped because you’re buying the unknown state of the paint underneath. If you find a car that checks all the boxes except the wrong color, it’s an option, but I would just try to find the car in that color to begin with.
On my 99 996 C4 blk with grey interior.
All stock except
BBS sport classic 2,s in gold and polished lips 18” summer use.
Silver turbo twists 18” winter.
Coil over at the same time I replaced all arms and new bolts.
Miltec exhaust system.
Factory short shift kit.
Decals on 1/4 windows ref parts fitted and car clubs I belong to and met I go to.
Zunsport grill covers in black.
May carry out some more changes in 2025.
Poss complimentary tartan in the seats.
If I do I will go console delete, diff gear knob and a sparco 3 spoke wheel. Something that looks period.
Love the tartan seat inserts!
Will - this is a really common issue with amateur podcasters, but the way you have your mic positioned results in us hearing every breath you take and every sigh. It also picks up any plosives as pops. Some of us get REALLY bothered by this. :D
If you copy your cohost's setup, the problem will go away and the listening experience will be much better.
I have the same mic set up as Derek but haven’t put it together yet. I am in the process of moving and the plan is to have a dedicated studio at the new house. In the meantime, please bear with me. 😅
I love modded turbos because you pay under value and all the mods for free most of the time. it goes without saying that it has to be done right with quality parts. great discussion gents. cheers
Excellent content and guidance to those tempted to spend significant amounts of $$ and time.
New Porsche owner here, for not even 6 weeks. 2025 BGTS without any decals, but I want to add matte black PPF around the front window surround like the Spyder RS. Little apprehensive b/c of trying to make it look like something else, but I just love the look with the black roof. Will likely do it anyway, only other mod would be the grills for the front to protect the radiator. Perhaps you guys can give a little more attention to Boxster/Cayman owners as I find most of your content is towards the 911.
Congratulations on the new car! So you're talking about an all black greenhouse right? What color is the rest of the car?
Either way... If you can afford a car this new you can easily afford to remove it if you're not crazy about the finished product. Good call on the upgraded radiator grills.
@@spatrick8035rennline are the nicest. They have the correct mesh pattern (akin to factory Porsche mesh) and are installed properly from the rear (as Porsche does). A bit more work but a better solution all around.
@@spatrick8035 personal preference but also Porsche factory engineers preferred method of installation
@ same - zuunsport looks like chicken wire mesh. Rennline has the same appearance of factory GT car mesh.
Hahaha I just know now, I would not be a good Porsche owner. I tint all my cars and my BMW has carbon fiber stickers all over the interior 😂😂😂
You do you, Bob!
@ yeap 😂
I always mod cars in this order.
1. Address any deferred maintenance / failing parts to restore the car to a reliable mechanical condition.
2. Upgrade brakes / lower suspension up to 2" front, 1.5" rear with matched dampers springs. This allows you to extract even more of what the engine is already offering.
3. If needed up to 2" larger wheels, however on a newer car that likely already comes with HUGE wheels, consider stickier rubber. If upgrading wheels select ones that weigh no more than your OEM as this could add unsprung weight.
4. Intake solution of your choice (drop in, swiss cheese airbox, full kit) and sports exhaust (at least muffler all the way up to header back depending on your budget and goals)
5. Interior / exterior cosmetics.
Remember any wraps or decals are removable it’s not a big deal plus it could be protecting the car a little bit that’s no different than putting stickers on the rear quarter window, That’s all personal preference no different than color and a whole lot easier to change have fun with the car for crying out loud. I’m thinking of some ghost stripes on my silver Porsche but it is about picking the perfect color. Hairdryer or heat gun on a low setting you can have those decals off and nothing flat, Oh yeah great tip gasoline pulls off the sticky goo faster than anything else I’m sure the Germans were smart enough to figure that gasoline doesn’t affect the paint I did it on my 2014 removing the old rear fender guard glue.
As far as decals go, what are your thoughts of small decals in regards to UV staining? If my car is black, and if I get a sticker for a long time is it going to discolour my car permanently if I then remove it some day?
I think it might depend on where you park your car. If you keep it garage when your not using it, I would’t worry about it!
Original isn't regional dependent works anywhere,tires mods canb vry tricky for efficiency performance handling again vry great advise of driving a porsche for atleast a summester or two b4 thinking of any mod cuz if for some reason done mod doesn't prove fruitful then "demodify" can cost unintended time & money, tints stints r bkuming ethics but hazardous doesn't matter legal great point made stay away from tinted lights signals but keep porsche reality alive
I have a 996.1 and have replaced parts like a console with a carbon fiber one. The steering wheel 4 spoke is ugly and replaced that with a carbon fiber and alcantara one that looks great. Gold BBS with diamond cut outer looks great on my black car. My fav exhaust is a Fabspeed headers on back.
Great call on that upgraded steering wheel, I know it's a winner! Shame on Porsche for ever offering the 4 spoke wheel.
So here's a question. You give good advice to buy the car and build a baseline appreciation for what it is & can do, before you start modding it. Good advice. What if you buy a car that's been modded? Maybe only slightly so. Would you take it back to stock, then drive it for a while before modding it, or would you drive it as it is in order to establish that baseline?
I'm guessing the answer is that it would depend on the mods. E.G. slammed and stances = return to stock. Short shifter = baseline your experience with the mod. Thoughts?
Wow great question as it's common to run into modded cars when you're in the market. Here's my take.
If I intend to do mods anyway and the current owner has done some of the mods I plan on doing anyway, AND they bought quality brands (ie Bilstein, H&R, ohlins vs Ebay) then I'd learn more about who installed the parts, how many miles ago, and how the car has been used.
If it has mods on it that I KNOW I'd need to remove in order to enjoy the car I'd look at how much time or money it would take to remove and put in the replacement that I want. If the effort to sort it out to your liking exceeds the value of the mods you DO like I'd walk away and keep shopping.
I wish you would have mentioned Wing spoilers.
Yeah that would be a very polarizing and great topic, I’d get flamed for sure since I hate the look of no wing and also can’t stand the ducktail.
What is causing this repetitive flushing sound?
Sounds like mic gain is up high and it’s picking up background noise. That or some messed up noise cancelling : audio processing
What do you think about engine conversions? For example, Sharkwerks, BGB, and Hartech can upgrade the 3.8L to 4.1L engines with significantly more HP and torque.
@@chewhew5045 I'm fond of these upgrades. Renewed reliability combined with much more power. Too expensive for me though.
I think they are badass and people that have got them, love them. I can see both side of the coin Stock vs. mod. But I think it is cool.
Finances permitted, I'd like the same DeMan motor Matt Farah is using in my 997. But of course there in lies the rub... Finances permitted I wouldn't BE in a 997, I'd be in a 991.2 C4S.
@@Mr.P7318 Interesting take. I always think of 997/996 as completely different cars than 991/992, which appear physically huge and less steering feel. The upgrade of a 997.2 4S 9A1 motor to 997.2 GT3/RS Mezger would be a congruent move upward, and much more expensive than doing the engine conversions. I’m just not sure the next buyer would pay extra for the upgrade though, whereas the GT3/RS will probably double in value over the next 10 years.
LNE is building my 3.7 right now, for my 996
Good point to start with, when I asked you about putting the decals along the lower portion of my 993 doors, I was simply interested in your personal opinion Will, cuz I like the mods you've done to some of your cars, so I asked if you thought it looks douchey or cool or neutral? BTW, thx again for your courteous reply (I for one, can verify, you're not an as*hole - you love people who love Porsches, BMWs & Land Cruisers)
This video could benefit from a few pic examples shown as you're talking about a mod
Wagon wheels? My 996 came with 18" in turbo twists. LNE is building my 3.7 right now.
Both my 09 Turbo and current 06 Carrera S came from the factory on 19s. Did you mean 20s??
How about the “Boxster” script sticker on the pop-up spoiler on a 986?
Sorry but no thank you
How about all the RS style ducktail spoilers folks put on 986/987/996/997?
Episode from November 12?
My 997.2 GTS has factory 19” on it
Wheels. Only if it's made by BBS, Forgeline, Fikse or any other fully forged brand with sanctioned motorsport history made in the USA/Japan/Germany (i.e. not made in China/Taiwan). No spacers. No hub-centric rings. Anything else undignified. Also, it's not just offset. It's width, offset and diameter.
"Undignified".... *sigh*..
Aftermarket wheels are trash.
I disagree, spacers are ok as long as you ONLY widen out enough to become flush to fender.
Spacers are cool only on factory wheels to make them flush. But if you get aftermarket, please do your homework to ensure fit is flush and clean.
@TheZakk28 agreed! Keep in mind.. I still AM on the factory 18's
Hey Will, loving your Podcast but I miss the content on your Rennthusiast channel. You got a yellow 996? Let’s see some pictures and hear the story. Also, will either of you guys be at Amelia this year?
Will will be! I am a maybe!
I’ll be there
Carbon fiber is 🗑️ unless it’s in the chassis
If the wood trim depends on the exterior color red+ wood is awful
996 would be awesome if the interior wasn’t so bad
if the interior is black I’d get tint
most taillights aren’t using film to tint they are using a rattle can
ls swaps are awesome because when you’re Porsche engine fails you can get an aluminum 5.3l,5.7l,6.0l or 6.2l for less than a replacement flat 6 and increase the power and torque by a very noticeable amount all you have to do is trade the stock sound for a v8 sound & resale doesn’t change much.
Re: tunes...most of them are illegal in California, so if you have one you are limiting your buying audience. Even reflashing to stock is not always successful. Check the Calif CARB-approved list of tunes before you do it.
i wouldn't put a turbo or supercharger on a 996. Having the motor bored out with nickies. Gladly buy that car if done by a professional like Jake Raby.
Love the content, but turn down the sensitivity on your mic. Listening to your breathing during the video was a bit annoying lol. I have never noticed it on your other videos, but it was very noticeable here.
Constantly dialing in our new mics. Thank for your patience, almost there!
@@Derek-Rennthusiast All good. I just didn't see anyone else comment about it, so I just wanted to make sure it was on the radar.
Decals: Urban Outlaw decals... no thanks. Unless you're Magnus himself, they shouldn't be on your car. My opinion only though, YMMV.
Like wearing an athletes jersey. Looks like you’re going steady with him 😂
There's nothing wrong with an aftermarket stereo in a 996/997, or any 911 really. It's easily reversible and frankly "period correct" is only a concern for flippers. If you care most about resale to period correct folks then just swap the stereo back when you're done with it. First thing I did to my 997.1 turbo was put in a Sony XAV-9000 and it greatly enhanced my enjoyment of the car.
Spending time worrying about resale value and avoiding doing things that make you enjoy the car is such a shame in my view. Do what you like, make it good for you, who cares what other people think? I don't give a crap about the resale value of my car cause I am not going to sell it. If I was, I'd prep it for sale before hand.
I have an aftermarket Blaupunkt in my 993. I like that it has a vintage look.
Double slow clap eye roll. The 997.2 GTS comes with centerlock 19's. They look amazing on my car. NOT to big. Douche meter pegged?
Yes, you most definitely pegged the dousche meter.
Hey bud. Guess what. I made a mistake. I meant 20’s.
997 police unite!!!! 😆
No tint?! 19” too big on a 997?!
I made a mistake. I should have said 20’s. It’s been awhile and 8 911’s since I owned one. I can’t remember every single detail. 😃
You guys must feel really good about yourselves, being the authority on how a Porsche should look. Not that I disagree with everything, but to make a video on it is lame... Also, edit out the hippo breathing, that is a no. no when being an experienced TH-cam content creator.
Anyone else hearing background noise and chatter?
Teething issues with a new mic setup. Almost there!
This was one of the more snooty episodes you've ever done. Found myself rolling my eyes throughout. I wouldn't do some of these but I'm all in favor of porsche owners expressing themselves with their cars. Window tint? Really?
Thanks for the reply. Just remember, we are not Porsche authorities and all these videos are just meant to be two friends chatting off the cuff about a random topic each week. I completely agree with you that in most cases everyone should do what they want to do because it’s their car. That being said, it’s fun to explore the subject. I hope you enjoy the next one!
@Derek-Rennthusiast No hard feelings brother! I'm still subbed and at the end of the day we all share a passion for Porsche, regardless of our differing opinions. I think it's great that you guys share so many of the same opinions as friends, but maybe for the sake of the podcast, you guys can flip a coin and take the opposite side of a debate just to hear both sides. Then perhaps it won't come off as shouting down from your soapbox. Or "old man yells at clouds" to reference the Simpsons meme 😂
@@deepg7084 Thanks for the feedback😁 And thanks for listening, deep!
Thanks for the feedback!
Porsche = boomer beetle beanie baby
Nailed us. We are older so we have the means to buy a Pcar. We are evolved like a Vdub. We have grand kids that love our old kids b-babes. Jelly huh?
I'm also tired of seeing guys wearing their hats backwards, screen print t-shirts, and oversized, poorly fitted / sagging jeans too. Can we actually dress like grown men?
Relax there Mr GQ. Everyone has their own style and taste. You don’t have to like it, but embrace differences and uniqueness.
@philnleblanc6664 I respect your opinion and let me further share mine. It's the difference between looking like a seasoned, degreed adult with a career and a mortgage vs looking like someone out here playing make believe, hot rodding in their daddy's car.
There are many ways to dress casual (ie Will and Derek who just hosted this) and still look like an adult, but what looks "undignified" is dressing like you would be a better fit in a Civic or WRX.
I look forward to your rebuttal.
@@Mr.P7318I don't care at all what other men wear. Sounds kind of gay personally but that's okay with me if you are. Playing fashion police because you own a certain car is weird as hell.
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@@Mr.P7318seasoned career guy over here. And have no issues throwing on my Porsche Puma’s. At all.
Drive a 911 with one mod, window tint. Hard top in my garage that will never go on…..and yea the interior looks like 2003 but I likely will keep finding cassettes from my favorite artists and running a Bluetooth adapter.
In my world, it’s fun to dress down and let folks judge you. On the other hand, it’s also fun to get some merch and represent your Porsche however way you want…..hat, keychain, leather jacket…..I’m not out here judging folks.