@@FrankensteinMotorworks would you do a video or series on what mods the 2GR response to that’s best ? Not necessarily in the mr2 but for all of us with the 2GR
@@colinshum5216 I've discussed this a couple times already but the absolute biggest hitter is the y-pipe. if you're looking for more power and you don't replace your y-pipe first you're doing it wrong. there's up to 45hp hiding in that y-pipe. The problem is if you open it up too much you end up with something that sounds like an exotic. The 2GR absolutely screams as soon as it starts making just a bit more power.
Lucky, there are quite a few 2016-17 Tacoma owners that had their engine suddenly blow up without explanation. My neighbors 2019 Highlander had the oil pump gear fracture at 115k. The Car Care Nut had one on his channel with a cracked cylinder which also seems to be a common issue.
@@jasonruch3529 oil change every 5k miles ,transmission fluid drain and fill every 60k mile. spark plug ,brake pads ,transfer case(if AWD) fluid 80-100k miles hopefully it will last till haft millions miles .and don't let air filter getting too dirty
I am working on the same engine from a 2019 is300, it also was hydro-locked, and it also broke the same connecting rod, it also sat with water in the cylinders for too long. the rod punched a small hole in the block but i was able to tig weld it up. it had some pitting in the cylinders. the pistons were rusted and gummed up really bad. I was able to get the rings loose without them breaking. cleaned everything up, installed a new rod, re-lapped the valves and got it running, it sounds louder than i would have expected,
When we designed our E153 to bolt to the 2ZZ, we found a machine shop that milled out the inner part of the bell housing on the trans, then had an "adapter" ring that fit inside. welded that in place then decked it flat, not the E153 has a 2ZZ bolt pattern. It really wasnt that difficult. Im sure it could be done on any trans. I also know of the adapter plate kit that lets you bolt the Nissan 370Z trans on the 2JZ, so there is that avenue.
First time I've seen a breakdown of a modern engine; partly because I just don't look for videos of engine disassembly. These look absolutely nothing like the engines of the 70s & 80s. My interest in this is because my 2017 Tacoma has the 2grfks engine. I can tell it is extremely tightly put together, as just trying to remove the alternator to upgrade it to a 270 amp has been extremely challenging
So it seems that the FKS is to the FE as the FSE is to the FE. The FSE had the same head gasket part number as the FE, and all the bore/stroke measurements were the same as well. The unverified bits were if the big end of the FSE con rods were the same size as the FE con rods.
I'm a big fan of your channel. Is there any way you would be willing to do more testing with the 2grfks for us Toyota Tacoma guys? A lot of us who own Tacomas seat more hp and torque for better towing etc. Only one or two people have attempted turbocharging using a pair of garret f150 turbos. If you could help us figure out an effective way to increase hp on the 2gr fks, you'd have a lot of people including me paying you for a solution. For example, if you were to figure out a solid set of turbos, intercooler design than I would totally pay you to install. At the very least, if you could provide more info on the 2GR-FKS that would be excellent. Thank you!!
Late reply but my buddy has a 2017 Tacoma and got it tuned when he bought it new. The increased torque and hp are insane, and the motor loves it. He’s about to hit 250k miles. I bought a 22 Tacoma and got it tuned immediately. Feels even better than my the 3MZ-FE which I loved ❤ (added bonus 2GR has a chain)
Unfortunately the ECU situation on the FKS combined with the lack of advantages to that motor compared to the FE means that i am unlikely to spend much time on the FKS. I also thought we learned back in the 90's that putting a crank position sensor in the bell housing was a bad idea. Not sure why Toyota seems to want to learn that lesson for themselves.
Will you do a video of identifying and changing connrod bearings out of a 2gr-fse engine. How to select bearing sizes from adding the mark numbers up, etc
You are going to have to shave the thickness of the tone wheel off the flywheel as it spacers the flywheel out 3-4mm from memory. If using the e153 trans the pressure plate will hit inside the bell housing I’m currently doing this swap into an sw20 Mr2
@@FrankensteinMotorworks it’s not mine just a customers Plan is haltec elite 2500 and bigger port injectors on flex fuel. Currently working out the wiring as there are a few complex systems to work out to convert from the bosh/ Toyota ecu to haltec. Direct injection has been deleted due to customer not having funds for an ecu to run it and we don’t believe for the price of a motec that the gains are that impressive to use it. Will keep you updated
I've seen reports of the Tacomas having cracked coolant bypass tubes (made of plastic). Is this widespread? Crazy they chose to use plastic in an area that requires the tranny to be dropped in order to repair.
I know this is kind of off topic as far as mr2's in transverse engines are concerned, but is there a longitudinal solution to utilizing some of these engines? I can think of a couple chassis that could really benefit from these power plants.
Hey Marc! So the 5zvfe and 3vzfe bolts to the e153, right? So does the 2ar, 3sgte, 2az, and several other engines. I know for a fact that a 2ar, 3sgte, and 2az all bolt to a toyota 4y bell housing, and there is some evidence that they bolt to tacoms 5vz bells. If that is the case, there's a chance the 2gr also bolts to those 2 bell housings!
The 2AZ bellhousing is almost identical to the 2AR. whatever fits on that engine will work with the 2AR except for maybe some starter positions since the 2AR is wider.
Regarding the later E153 bellhousing bolt pattern, take a look at the pictures I emailed earlier this year of the new E153 that I purchased from the local Toyota dealer.
I am extremely late and hoping to get a reply. What is the key differences between a 2GR-FKS and thr 2GR-FE? I have some huge pland to put a Lotus supercharger on my FKS and was wondering if they are almost bolt for bolt? They seem extremely similar, except for fuel lines, VVT lines, etc
Unless I didn’t hear it but what was the actual reason for the Hydrolock? Cracked case? Blown head-gasket? etc.. because that will also play in if it’s rebuildable…
I myself would prefer to swap the fks into my spyder along with lower compression pistons which I’m pretty sure they make because I know I definitely would be turbocharging it.
Keep in mind, the integrated exhaust manifold ends up taking about half the space there is between the normal exit and the Spyder's firewall. Once you put lower compression pistons in you're just left with slightly longer cams than the 2gr-fe and direct injection but the DI is probably a liability for turbocharging without an expensive controller for it.
Wow. Thank you so much for the information videos. I only started watching your videos today. I was going to ask you about this specific motor out of the Lexus 350IS the 2gr-fks. In another video. But then I notice this video with this specific motor that I’m interested in. I did some reading and found out that it is the latest and greatest of the 2gr motor. I’m far from being a mechanic im just learning. So please forgive me. Over the years I’ve been hearing about the 2gr motors being used in the mr2. I have a 1991 Toyota mr2 2.0 twin entry turbo charger with a 5 speed manual transmission. I never did much to it other than upgrade the suspension and wheels. The car has only 108 thousand miles. It s been sitting for years in my garage. I’m now retired from the military and I have some time on my hands. I understand that the 2gr motor out of the 2015 lexas 350IS for some reason is the one that’s pushing the most hp. And torque. Because of the way Toyota tuned it for the 350is and the 350gs. My question is. Is this a good motor for my MR2 with out too much madness. And will allow for maybe a turbo or a super charger sometimes down the road. I understand that you also sell parts that will help with the swap. Can I get a email address or a phone number. I hope you are close to Florida. Thanks
The 2GR-FKS is not a great plan for the MR2, someone has already done it and it actually made less power than the 2GR-FE but the bigger problem is just that the swap parts and ECU parts don't exist for it. The website frankensteinmotorworks.com/ has contact info on it.
Do I have to cut any part of the body for this to work. I do not want to cut any part of the engine bay wall. If not I will be Cruz in the junkyard in Orlando
@@robertchen9686the 2GR-FE in the SW20 does not require any cutting or even hammering. the 2GR-FKS may have clearance issues at the exhaust since the head is much wider with the integrated collector but i do not know for sure.
Ok thank you. I saw your website. Very interesting. I will be looking for the last year of the 2GR-FE with the least mileage. Also preferably one out of a four wheel drive. I understand that they come equipped with an oil cooler.
Are all the exhaust ports molded and merged into one inside the head casting itself with a single outlet? I worry about exhaust flow with these new integrated exhaust ports, i noticed Honda went this route too and I noticed the first year of the new bmwsupra did too, but then the next year they went back to individual exhaust outlets again. Though they may be adequate for OEM, I can't imagine they are as optimum as a proper longer equal length 4 into 1 tubular header in both N/A and turbo applications. Your thoughts?
Im considering to buy a 2019 Toyota Avalon with this 2GR FKS engine... However the engine looks rather ... hmm not acceptable. Modern complexity and plastic. I like my vehicles to last 20 years. eg my 1999 Mercedes E300 turbo deisel ... 2006 Subaru outback (although head gasgets are an issue) Still.. these can go for decades and high mileage . Thanks-- excellent video-- I have subscribed.
The plastic does not really concern me but i'm going to say i prefer the 2GR-FE over the 2GR-FKS. same with the dynamic force engines, i prefer the one generation before.
Do you have any idea If the intake plenum is the same bolt pattern from the two engines. I have a TRD Camry (2021) and stumbled across a trd supercharger from the Aurion in Australia and I’m wondering how hard it would be to make that swap happen
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I figured it would be pretty challenging with the FKS using direct injection along with port and the lower manifold being different
Looks like no coolant was used in the car it came from right ? Otherwise there shouldn't have been all that corrosion in the bores. Coolant has anti corrosion properties right ?
This motor was pulled from a car that went for a swim and got hydrolocked. unfortunately the insurance took several days to get around to evaluating the vehicle so all that rain water stayed in the bores and damaged them beyond sensible repair.
hmmmm twin turbo one of these in an SC300 that has been put on a diet (or an early 80's celica (RA40) if you can find one) could be a fun cheapish track car...
I don't that much about engines but, I watched this video because I have a Toyota Tacoma and it has the same engine as what was in this video. I am wondering where the throttle body is located. I am thinking of cleaning it. It was interesting to see what else is inside of the engine. Thanks for the show. If you can please reply with a picture showing me where the throttle body is located. Thanks In Advance.
Stacie, I can't post a picture in a youtube reply but the tacoma has a different intake than the motor shown in this video. If you look in your engine bay you'll see the airbox on the left with a big about 3" around pipe going into the motor. If you follow that pipe and look under the engine cover(it just pulls off if you pull it upwards) the other end of that pipe is the throttle body. But with that said, these Tacomas have not been out for very long and they should almost all still be in their 5yr/60,000 mile powertrain warranty period and if you've got throttle body problems that should be covered. What issues are you seeing?
I am not seeing or having any issues. My Tacoma is a 2017 TRD Sport 4x4 and I have 26,500 miles on it. I just like to keep it running at its peak performance so that I won't have any preventable issues in the future. I am just thinking of spraying some throttle body cleaner on it so it could clean it and maybe clean the Port and Direct fuel injectors on its way to the combustion chamber.
@@dasianman Since these motors do not have an EGR system there's really not going to be the buildup like older motors used to have. Plus, just as you said, this motor also has port injectors. Those are there specifically to prevent any carbon buildup on the valve from the little bit of oil vapor that does make it through the crank case vent and into the intake. But either way, with the above instructions you should be able to find the throttle body.
I appreciate the information on 2gr-fks very much. I have one question, regarding the advance angle of the vvti-w unit. Does the shape of the sprocket in that unit have any protrusions etc. to limit the advance angle? You can find out by checking the sprocket inside. If you have checked, please let us know.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks ovtune has a twin turbo kit for the tacoma. only about 20 kits out though and they have had issues with supply not on their part.
These cams are different and could not be used in the 2GR-FE. but there is a 2GR-FXE with cams that could be used in the 2GR-FE and the intake cams on that are pretty big but unfortunately the intake cams won't work in the exhaust position on that motor.
How did this happen to such a low mileage engine? I thought these were supposed to be really reliable? This is the engine in a 2023 Tacoma I just ordered but now I'm having second thoughts
Someone took their sienna through a flooded road and the engine took a drink, this has nothing to do with Toyota's reliability. That said, take a look at the forums, this engine does have a problem with severe inclines. If you use this truck for rock crawling and such it does like to drink a slug of it's own oil and that can break things. This is an issue that 99.9% of owners are never going to run into but if this is your intended use for the truck you'll want to address this before doing that. It can be fixed somewhat easily with a modified crank case vent setup.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Okay that sounds good I appreciate the reply. I don't intend to use it for any off-roading just light duty on road use. I've heard more good things about Tacoma than bad so I think I'll give her a try. 👍
Technically no additional horsepower is attributable to direct injection but exactly as you say, it allows for a higher compression ratio which does result in more horsepower. The 2GR-FKS has 11.8:1 and the 2GR-FE has 10.8:1 so the power difference should be about 1-4% depending on the motor's knock resistance. In this case it's probably about 5hp or so. But this is just an educated guess. The 2GR-FKS has smaller intake runners which will make power earlier and will choke up higher end power compared to the 2GR-FE. But what we don't know exactly is where that "earlier" or "higher end" rpm points are. It's possible that the 2GR-FKS ends up making less power when the same general mods are applied to it, either because it's intake runners are smaller or because it's exhaust runners are shorter. Or it's possible that the 2GR-FKS ends up making power because the smaller intake runners result in a more ideal air velocity match for it's power band and the odd looking integrated manifold ends up with better scavenging characteristics. If i had to bet one way or another i'd say that if you're using the 2GR-FKS with an ECU that controls the direct injection you'll end up with 5-10hp more than what we currently get with the 2GR-FE but if you only use port injection and normal high octane gasoline on the motor you'll end up making the same or possibly even less power. E85 would likely make up for not using the direct injection due to its higher octane rating.
The direct injection is in the head on those. I've never had an FSE apart but i would 100% expect them to be able to be sleeved. Just make sure your replacement pistons have the direct injection cup in them.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Thanks for that info! I have a 2GR-FSE & Want to delete the direct injection, and sleeve it with a 3.7L 2GR-FE Darton kit. I have to tear down first as I bought it a non runner.
There are no differences that matter for the swap. Just pick any 2GR-FE that you can get your hands on. If you get it with a wiring harness you should get a 3rd gen sienna engine.
Honestly i don't have the answer to this question. someone would have to spend some time going through all the part numbers and comparing them. I haven't had the reason to do so yet.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Thanks. The problem is that mine engine (2GR-FKS, on Tacoma 2019) has a water damage, and I have to replace it...but could not find the same code, only 2GR-FXS and I am wandering are they similar. I am from Europe and here is very difficult to find the same one
@@svetliodenchev8933 oh, i do know the engine block for the 2gr-fks is different than the other ones because of the trigger wheel position so there's really not any other engine you can use for a direct replacement. That said, water damage is usually pretty fixable with just a few parts. what kind of damage?
I own one a ‘17, and I wish I had bought a 2nd gen. If you can find a nice 2nd gen get that. If you’re set on the 3rd gen, get the manual transmission.
hi, i lived in malaysia where the temperature averaging around 26 - 45 Celsius......my question is for 2gr fks do i need to remain with 0w20 or 5w30 or 5w40? i noticed that i need to heavily throttle my car during 5w40 usage.
As far as i know Toyota recommends 0w20 across the board and these new oils are amazing. I would stick with 0w20. I race on 5w20 but only because 0w20 is not available in the oils i use. The bearing wear even after tends of thousands of miles of racing is not even visible.
@@Mj3_ed In my experience taking the 2gr-fe and 2ar-fe apart even the high mileage ones do not show any bearing wear that would indicate clearances opening up. Unless your motor is burning excessive oil demonstrating oil getting past the rings i would just stick with normal Mobil1 0w20 oil. The Mobil1 high mileage oil is a good option if you're getting a bit of oil burning.
Why is that too thin? I even race with oil that thin. Clearances on motors these days are very different than what they used to be. 5w30 won't hurt it but the big thing about the 0w?? oils is it is impossible to make a 0w?? oil from conventional stock. it has to be synthetic. So by requiring a 0w?? they are essentially saying that synthetic is required without saying it directly since it would violate the Magnusson moss regulations.
It's from the Chicago area and for some reason people often like to take their cars for a swim in the 4' deep flood waters covering the roads sometimes.
I replaced this motor at work a year ago, woman drove through water and the tow truck driver got there and tried to start it. Sad thing is that engine would of been fine if he hadn’t done that. The engines stall out before water does damage 90% of the time. Cylinder 1 is always the victim when people try to restart them I do ALOT of hydro locks out here in Chicagoland due to people just being oblivious to puddles
Very useful to know which cylinder is getting affected by the water. I like to do off road trips very deep into the bush with my 2021 Tacoma. So if the engine get flooded , remove the sparkplug from cylinder one and cranking the engine pushing the water out?
My 2008 Lexus is 250 has a 4GR-FSE & I'll here it's trash & is a red headed 🤬 stepchild to the 2Gr-fe they look the same to me & has 250,000 Miles on it but what do I know? I'm hanging out with all the opinionated haters loitering down in TH-cam comments section on a Friday night watching a complete stranger reverse "engine" eer a Toyota engine. This is 1 notch higher than than watching c-span on Friday and Saturday night at home in highschool
You can bore them out a tiny tiny bit to get some minor scratches out. Some of them indicate 0.13mm max, some say zero but the 2GR/2AR are all the same material and method so i'd feel comfortable at that 0.13mm for any of them. Note that usually the smallest re-bore is 0.25mm so you'll have to find a shop willing to work within half the normal spec. You an also install sleeves instead.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks well I heard if it got those laser coated cylinders you can't bore them those blocks are junk if the cylinder walls is damaged
I had to pause and applaud you for even uploading your struggle flipping the motor on the stand.
It was a mighty effort yes. I felt his pain.
The technical knowledge on this channel is beyond belief! 👍🏻
Thank you for watching the videos. I love sharing this stuff with an audience :)
@@FrankensteinMotorworks would you do a video or series on what mods the 2GR response to that’s best ? Not necessarily in the mr2 but for all of us with the 2GR
@@colinshum5216 I've discussed this a couple times already but the absolute biggest hitter is the y-pipe. if you're looking for more power and you don't replace your y-pipe first you're doing it wrong. there's up to 45hp hiding in that y-pipe. The problem is if you open it up too much you end up with something that sounds like an exotic. The 2GR absolutely screams as soon as it starts making just a bit more power.
Thank you so much for your findings and research for the benefit of us all.
As a former Toyota tech I enjoy watching F motorwerks just to keep up on these powertrains.
I love this motor. My co-worker tuned his 17 Tacoma new and is going on 250k miles now w/ZERO problems
Lucky, there are quite a few 2016-17 Tacoma owners that had their engine suddenly blow up without explanation. My neighbors 2019 Highlander had the oil pump gear fracture at 115k. The Car Care Nut had one on his channel with a cracked cylinder which also seems to be a common issue.
What did he tune it with?? Im looking to do my 2022 highlander 😊
@@jasonruch3529 oil change every 5k miles ,transmission fluid drain and fill every 60k mile. spark plug ,brake pads ,transfer case(if AWD) fluid 80-100k miles hopefully it will last till haft millions miles .and don't let air filter getting too dirty
New to this site and not very knowledgeable regarding engines but here to learn, informative video and now a subscriber.
Thank you for watching and subscribing, i appreciate it.
That removing the from the head from the block was so satisfying with that fuel stubby.
15:20 my wife is wondering what the hell im watching! 😂
There was way too much struggle there to not leave it in the video :)
oh god...take this one to the bathroom and crank the audio!
🤣😂💀⚰
I am working on the same engine from a 2019 is300, it also was hydro-locked, and it also broke the same connecting rod, it also sat with water in the cylinders for too long. the rod punched a small hole in the block but i was able to tig weld it up. it had some pitting in the cylinders. the pistons were rusted and gummed up really bad. I was able to get the rings loose without them breaking. cleaned everything up, installed a new rod, re-lapped the valves and got it running, it sounds louder than i would have expected,
When we designed our E153 to bolt to the 2ZZ, we found a machine shop that milled out the inner part of the bell housing on the trans, then had an "adapter" ring that fit inside. welded that in place then decked it flat, not the E153 has a 2ZZ bolt pattern. It really wasnt that difficult. Im sure it could be done on any trans.
I also know of the adapter plate kit that lets you bolt the Nissan 370Z trans on the 2JZ, so there is that avenue.
Yes, i have all the tools here to make an adapter but a lot of what i do here is figure out how to make things possible for others to make.
First time I've seen a breakdown of a modern engine; partly because I just don't look for videos of engine disassembly. These look absolutely nothing like the engines of the 70s & 80s. My interest in this is because my 2017 Tacoma has the 2grfks engine. I can tell it is extremely tightly put together, as just trying to remove the alternator to upgrade it to a 270 amp has been extremely challenging
Fantastic video mate, subscribed. keep on the good work and hopefully some more vids on 2gr-fks
Really nice review, good flow. Good content, easy to listen to, subscribed.
I'm glad you liked it and i really appreciate your subscription!
awesome video Frank. Thank you for sharing
Good motor
your an amazing man! many eyes won you regarding the FKS model of the 2gr family.
So it seems that the FKS is to the FE as the FSE is to the FE. The FSE had the same head gasket part number as the FE, and all the bore/stroke measurements were the same as well. The unverified bits were if the big end of the FSE con rods were the same size as the FE con rods.
HEY Great video thank you so much for posting this helped me out a ton! Im reassembling mine and having a field day with all the cables :P
Looking forward to one day use this engine for the sw20. I like direct injection. Hopefully it can take higher comp rations.
11.8:1 stock
Thanks for sharing the video. Very informative and educational.
I'm a big fan of your channel. Is there any way you would be willing to do more testing with the 2grfks for us Toyota Tacoma guys? A lot of us who own Tacomas seat more hp and torque for better towing etc. Only one or two people have attempted turbocharging using a pair of garret f150 turbos. If you could help us figure out an effective way to increase hp on the 2gr fks, you'd have a lot of people including me paying you for a solution. For example, if you were to figure out a solid set of turbos, intercooler design than I would totally pay you to install. At the very least, if you could provide more info on the 2GR-FKS that would be excellent.
Thank you!!
Late reply but my buddy has a 2017 Tacoma and got it tuned when he bought it new. The increased torque and hp are insane, and the motor loves it. He’s about to hit 250k miles. I bought a 22 Tacoma and got it tuned immediately. Feels even better than my the 3MZ-FE which I loved ❤ (added bonus 2GR has a chain)
where did he get tuned?@@stackthatartpaper
Just get the ott tune
Thanks for your videos. Im really enjoying them. Any more videos coming envolving the FKS and possibly fitting a different trainy
Unfortunately the ECU situation on the FKS combined with the lack of advantages to that motor compared to the FE means that i am unlikely to spend much time on the FKS. I also thought we learned back in the 90's that putting a crank position sensor in the bell housing was a bad idea. Not sure why Toyota seems to want to learn that lesson for themselves.
I didn't know Matt Walsh was a mechanic too.. haha you sound just like him. Great video btw..
Awesome video man!
Will you do a video of identifying and changing connrod bearings out of a 2gr-fse engine. How to select bearing sizes from adding the mark numbers up, etc
I was on Imogene with my 2019 Tacoma, idling and the low oil level sensor light gave me a heart attack. I want to see it lol.
❤❤❤ good job, and thank you!!
How much power could we get safely out of this stock motor? Curious about this from someone who would actually know this. Thanks
You are going to have to shave the thickness of the tone wheel off the flywheel as it spacers the flywheel out 3-4mm from memory. If using the e153 trans the pressure plate will hit inside the bell housing I’m currently doing this swap into an sw20 Mr2
Right, I wasn't thinking about that. It makes sense. What are your plans with this car? stock 2GR-FKS or with boost? aftermarket ECU?
@@FrankensteinMotorworks it’s not mine just a customers
Plan is haltec elite 2500 and bigger port injectors on flex fuel. Currently working out the wiring as there are a few complex systems to work out to convert from the bosh/ Toyota ecu to haltec. Direct injection has been deleted due to customer not having funds for an ecu to run it and we don’t believe for the price of a motec that the gains are that impressive to use it. Will keep you updated
Myself I currently own two sw20’s one is getting a 40 series 2grfe turbo on flex fuel
The other one is getting a built 5sgte
@@nathanappel3494 Awesome, sounds great. please share the power numbers if you're able to at the end of the project.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks will do
I've seen reports of the Tacomas having cracked coolant bypass tubes (made of plastic). Is this widespread? Crazy they chose to use plastic in an area that requires the tranny to be dropped in order to repair.
FYI- If you were looking for a RWD GR engine that has a 2GR head/cam configuration, look at the 2010+ FJ cruiser 1GR-FE
Thats a 4.0 right?
@@rustedratchetgarage6788 yes
Nice bro keep up the good work
they need to invite you to sit with the guys on tha tMotor Trend show Engine Masters
Has integrated manifolds so twin turbo mr2?
I know this is kind of off topic as far as mr2's in transverse engines are concerned, but is there a longitudinal solution to utilizing some of these engines? I can think of a couple chassis that could really benefit from these power plants.
the 2grfks came in longitudinal layout too used in the lexus gs/is/rc even with a manual in a tacoma
@@ArmyofSeaturtles wait the Tacoma with a manual has transverse layout?? I have a ‘22 Tacoma with 6MT and this motor.
Hey Frank, i would like to know if it's possible to interchange V6 2GR FKS or 2GR FXE motor to fit into a V8 3UR FE gearbox(transmission) ?
Hey Marc! So the 5zvfe and 3vzfe bolts to the e153, right? So does the 2ar, 3sgte, 2az, and several other engines. I know for a fact that a 2ar, 3sgte, and 2az all bolt to a toyota 4y bell housing, and there is some evidence that they bolt to tacoms 5vz bells. If that is the case, there's a chance the 2gr also bolts to those 2 bell housings!
The 2AZ bellhousing is almost identical to the 2AR. whatever fits on that engine will work with the 2AR except for maybe some starter positions since the 2AR is wider.
How is 9mesh doing 700hp on this engine? without blowing those thin walls? This is crazy... Ohh actually I was talking about the FSE
31:21 Maybe the 6 speed manual from the Toyota Mark X GRMN
Regarding the later E153 bellhousing bolt pattern, take a look at the pictures I emailed earlier this year of the new E153 that I purchased from the local Toyota dealer.
how recent was your purchase. theyre 17 backordered according to my parts department. im curious if i order one will it show.
I am extremely late and hoping to get a reply. What is the key differences between a 2GR-FKS and thr 2GR-FE? I have some huge pland to put a Lotus supercharger on my FKS and was wondering if they are almost bolt for bolt? They seem extremely similar, except for fuel lines, VVT lines, etc
Unless I didn’t hear it but what was the actual reason for the Hydrolock? Cracked case? Blown head-gasket? etc.. because that will also play in if it’s rebuildable…
They drove it into some deep flood water. that happens a lot around here.
Did you determine if the valve springs fitted and worked in the standard 2GR?
I'm looking for a better v6 engine to swap and replace 2007 Toyota tundra 4x4 with a V8 3UR FE engine. Your advice would really help.
I myself would prefer to swap the fks into my spyder along with lower compression pistons which I’m pretty sure they make because I know I definitely would be turbocharging it.
Keep in mind, the integrated exhaust manifold ends up taking about half the space there is between the normal exit and the Spyder's firewall. Once you put lower compression pistons in you're just left with slightly longer cams than the 2gr-fe and direct injection but the DI is probably a liability for turbocharging without an expensive controller for it.
ok i just have to ask; what is your profile pic? i saw a Celica front and was interested but upon closer look it has the ass end of a spyder?
Port rail probably ran off return of di rail. What I’m doing with my Mazdaspeed.
Going to learn how to mod one of these just for giggles
Wow. Thank you so much for the information videos. I only started watching your videos today. I was going to ask you about this specific motor out of the Lexus 350IS the 2gr-fks. In another video. But then I notice this video with this specific motor that I’m interested in. I did some reading and found out that it is the latest and greatest of the 2gr motor. I’m far from being a mechanic im just learning. So please forgive me. Over the years I’ve been hearing about the 2gr motors being used in the mr2. I have a 1991 Toyota mr2 2.0 twin entry turbo charger with a 5 speed manual transmission. I never did much to it other than upgrade the suspension and wheels. The car has only 108 thousand miles. It s been sitting for years in my garage. I’m now retired from the military and I have some time on my hands. I understand that the 2gr motor out of the 2015 lexas 350IS for some reason is the one that’s pushing the most hp. And torque. Because of the way Toyota tuned it for the 350is and the 350gs. My question is. Is this a good motor for my MR2 with out too much madness. And will allow for maybe a turbo or a super charger sometimes down the road. I understand that you also sell parts that will help with the swap. Can I get a email address or a phone number. I hope you are close to Florida. Thanks
The 2GR-FKS is not a great plan for the MR2, someone has already done it and it actually made less power than the 2GR-FE but the bigger problem is just that the swap parts and ECU parts don't exist for it.
The website frankensteinmotorworks.com/ has contact info on it.
Do I have to cut any part of the body for this to work. I do not want to cut any part of the engine bay wall. If not I will be Cruz in the junkyard in Orlando
@@robertchen9686the 2GR-FE in the SW20 does not require any cutting or even hammering. the 2GR-FKS may have clearance issues at the exhaust since the head is much wider with the integrated collector but i do not know for sure.
Ok thank you. I saw your website. Very interesting. I will be looking for the last year of the 2GR-FE with the least mileage. Also preferably one out of a four wheel drive. I understand that they come equipped with an oil cooler.
Are all the exhaust ports molded and merged into one inside the head casting itself with a single outlet? I worry about exhaust flow with these new integrated exhaust ports, i noticed Honda went this route too and I noticed the first year of the new bmwsupra did too, but then the next year they went back to individual exhaust outlets again. Though they may be adequate for OEM, I can't imagine they are as optimum as a proper longer equal length 4 into 1 tubular header in both N/A and turbo applications. Your thoughts?
Bump for your thoughts...
yes, it’s doubtful that the exhaust flows quite as good. I don’t think it makes any sense for him to provide support for this motor
Are we forgetting about the 4grfe in the Lexus is250 manual transmission? Would that sucker not bolt up to the 3.5l?
it's actually a 4gr-fse but that longitudinal block is entirely different from the 2gr-fe transverse block.
i heard this one in a 2019 Highlander and has very bad bad timing cover leak. Serious leak.
Is this the same engine as the 3rd generation Tacoma?
Keep it up
Triger wheel is much bigger for better accuracy.
Yessssss
Couldn't we just take the transmission out of the lotus evora? I understand that'll be expensive, but there is a 6 speed manual option.
That's the EA60, i have one here. It's actually not ridiculously expensive if you import them from europe
Im considering to buy a 2019 Toyota Avalon with this 2GR FKS engine... However the engine looks rather ... hmm not acceptable. Modern complexity and plastic. I like my vehicles to last 20 years. eg my 1999 Mercedes E300 turbo deisel ... 2006 Subaru outback (although head gasgets are an issue) Still.. these can go for decades and high mileage . Thanks-- excellent video-- I have subscribed.
The plastic does not really concern me but i'm going to say i prefer the 2GR-FE over the 2GR-FKS. same with the dynamic force engines, i prefer the one generation before.
@@marclabranche6922 .... ty. I appreciate your comment. Cheers from. CANADA.
These are great engines if you take care of them. The plastic parts when used are very durable.
What car you remove this engine??
What is the problem with this broken connecting rod?? A bad head gasket ??
this was from a sienna. Someone drowned the car and got water in the engine.
Do you have any idea If the intake plenum is the same bolt pattern from the two engines. I have a TRD Camry (2021) and stumbled across a trd supercharger from the Aurion in Australia and I’m wondering how hard it would be to make that swap happen
they aren't even close. Also, that supercharger is a really nice supercharger but the lower manifold on it is terrible.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I figured it would be pretty challenging with the FKS using direct injection along with port and the lower manifold being different
Looks like no coolant was used in the car it came from right ? Otherwise there shouldn't have been all that corrosion in the bores. Coolant has anti corrosion properties right ?
This motor was pulled from a car that went for a swim and got hydrolocked. unfortunately the insurance took several days to get around to evaluating the vehicle so all that rain water stayed in the bores and damaged them beyond sensible repair.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Ah ok. That would explain the rust then. What a shame.
Hey! I know that engine WAY to personally
Thanks :)
hmmmm twin turbo one of these in an SC300 that has been put on a diet (or an early 80's celica (RA40) if you can find one) could be a fun cheapish track car...
Did you rebuild the motor?
I don't that much about engines but, I watched this video because I have a Toyota Tacoma and it has the same engine as what was in this video. I am wondering where the throttle body is located. I am thinking of cleaning it. It was interesting to see what else is inside of the engine. Thanks for the show. If you can please reply with a picture showing me where the throttle body is located. Thanks In Advance.
Stacie, I can't post a picture in a youtube reply but the tacoma has a different intake than the motor shown in this video. If you look in your engine bay you'll see the airbox on the left with a big about 3" around pipe going into the motor. If you follow that pipe and look under the engine cover(it just pulls off if you pull it upwards) the other end of that pipe is the throttle body.
But with that said, these Tacomas have not been out for very long and they should almost all still be in their 5yr/60,000 mile powertrain warranty period and if you've got throttle body problems that should be covered. What issues are you seeing?
I am not seeing or having any issues. My Tacoma is a 2017 TRD Sport 4x4 and I have 26,500 miles on it. I just like to keep it running at its peak performance so that I won't have any preventable issues in the future. I am just thinking of spraying some throttle body cleaner on it so it could clean it and maybe clean the Port and Direct fuel injectors on its way to the combustion chamber.
@@dasianman Since these motors do not have an EGR system there's really not going to be the buildup like older motors used to have. Plus, just as you said, this motor also has port injectors. Those are there specifically to prevent any carbon buildup on the valve from the little bit of oil vapor that does make it through the crank case vent and into the intake. But either way, with the above instructions you should be able to find the throttle body.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks . Thank you for helping me.
did he ever bench flow test the fks head?
I appreciate the information on 2gr-fks very much.
I have one question, regarding the advance angle of the vvti-w unit.
Does the shape of the sprocket in that unit have any protrusions etc. to limit the advance angle?
You can find out by checking the sprocket inside.
If you have checked, please let us know.
They already have a turbo kit from D3 Tuning
I'm not surprised, the FKS is in the Tacoma which has a huge base of customers so I would expect them to get quite a bit of support.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks ovtune has a twin turbo kit for the tacoma. only about 20 kits out though and they have had issues with supply not on their part.
Are the cams for this motor pretty big for the atkinson stuff? I'm wondering if you could buy those cams and do a double atkinson mod like in the 2AR
These cams are different and could not be used in the 2GR-FE. but there is a 2GR-FXE with cams that could be used in the 2GR-FE and the intake cams on that are pretty big but unfortunately the intake cams won't work in the exhaust position on that motor.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks so you'd have to buy custom exhaust cams or do a regrind on it, huh? Well, it's better than nothing I suppose.
How do you think a stock motor and tune would react to water/meth injection since this engine has a pretty high CR of 11.8/1
The motor is direct injected so it does not need the alcohol to make the best use of the compression ratio. but i'm sure there would be small gains.
How did this happen to such a low mileage engine? I thought these were supposed to be really reliable? This is the engine in a 2023 Tacoma I just ordered but now I'm having second thoughts
Someone took their sienna through a flooded road and the engine took a drink, this has nothing to do with Toyota's reliability. That said, take a look at the forums, this engine does have a problem with severe inclines. If you use this truck for rock crawling and such it does like to drink a slug of it's own oil and that can break things. This is an issue that 99.9% of owners are never going to run into but if this is your intended use for the truck you'll want to address this before doing that. It can be fixed somewhat easily with a modified crank case vent setup.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Okay that sounds good I appreciate the reply. I don't intend to use it for any off-roading just light duty on road use. I've heard more good things about Tacoma than bad so I think I'll give her a try. 👍
Just wondering if the 2GR-FKS is a 2 bolt main or a 4 bolt main ?
Good work !
neither, it actually has 6 bolt mains.
Wow so it’s a pretty robust motor than ?
Does the 2GR-FE have the nikasil cylinder liners as well?
Actually none of these blocks (2gr-fks, 2gr-fe, 2ar-fe and so on...) have nikasil liners. they are just sprayed on iron liners.
i think more power came from direct injection, and have to be there hight pressure pump for fuel
You might be right but from what i'm seeing here i think it's just the ever so slightly bigger cams providing all the extra power.
2gr asmr
Do you know if this engine is similar to the V35a twin turbo engine?
It is not, the new dynamic force engine is a completely different engine
How much of the additional HP is attributable to the direct injection ?
The direct injection allows higher compression as well.
Technically no additional horsepower is attributable to direct injection but exactly as you say, it allows for a higher compression ratio which does result in more horsepower. The 2GR-FKS has 11.8:1 and the 2GR-FE has 10.8:1 so the power difference should be about 1-4% depending on the motor's knock resistance. In this case it's probably about 5hp or so. But this is just an educated guess. The 2GR-FKS has smaller intake runners which will make power earlier and will choke up higher end power compared to the 2GR-FE. But what we don't know exactly is where that "earlier" or "higher end" rpm points are. It's possible that the 2GR-FKS ends up making less power when the same general mods are applied to it, either because it's intake runners are smaller or because it's exhaust runners are shorter. Or it's possible that the 2GR-FKS ends up making power because the smaller intake runners result in a more ideal air velocity match for it's power band and the odd looking integrated manifold ends up with better scavenging characteristics. If i had to bet one way or another i'd say that if you're using the 2GR-FKS with an ECU that controls the direct injection you'll end up with 5-10hp more than what we currently get with the 2GR-FE but if you only use port injection and normal high octane gasoline on the motor you'll end up making the same or possibly even less power. E85 would likely make up for not using the direct injection due to its higher octane rating.
I wish I had your drive and energy…
Guys like you are what make the world go-around.
Didn’t Toyota engineer this engine with direct and port injection for emission reasons only?
Can the 2GR-FKS/FSE Be Darlton sleeved? Does the 2GR-FSE Have direct injectors in the head too?
The direct injection is in the head on those. I've never had an FSE apart but i would 100% expect them to be able to be sleeved. Just make sure your replacement pistons have the direct injection cup in them.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Thanks for that info! I have a 2GR-FSE & Want to delete the direct injection, and sleeve it with a 3.7L 2GR-FE Darton kit. I have to tear down first as I bought it a non runner.
Which Toyota/Lexus model has the best 2GR for swapping to MR2 Spyder?
There are no differences that matter for the swap. Just pick any 2GR-FE that you can get your hands on. If you get it with a wiring harness you should get a 3rd gen sienna engine.
Do you know what is the difference between 2GR-FKS and 2GR-FXS, (cylinder block and heads)? Thanks in advance
Honestly i don't have the answer to this question. someone would have to spend some time going through all the part numbers and comparing them. I haven't had the reason to do so yet.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Thanks. The problem is that mine engine (2GR-FKS, on Tacoma 2019) has a water damage, and I have to replace it...but could not find the same code, only 2GR-FXS and I am wandering are they similar. I am from Europe and here is very difficult to find the same one
@@svetliodenchev8933 oh, i do know the engine block for the 2gr-fks is different than the other ones because of the trigger wheel position so there's really not any other engine you can use for a direct replacement.
That said, water damage is usually pretty fixable with just a few parts. what kind of damage?
This is the engine inside the Alphard right?
I believe this is correct for the newest versions of the Alphard.
I'm sure you mentioned it but why was there water in the cylinder?
It turns out Siennas aren't very good at swimming. Someone drowned it.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Thanks
I didnt know Peter Jackson had a car channel as well?!!?!?
do you think regular 2gr fe super charger fit in fks series
no, the intake ports are completely different in shape.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks figured just been doing research for force induction stuff lol for 2gr fks
Does anybody have an opinion on whether or not these particular engines are good engines? I have been considering a toyota Tacoma.
I own one a ‘17, and I wish I had bought a 2nd gen. If you can find a nice 2nd gen get that. If you’re set on the 3rd gen, get the manual transmission.
Did you ever get to rebuild it ??
no, this block was not worth salvaging with the rusty bore. these bores are sprayed on and rather thin.
hi, i lived in malaysia where the temperature averaging around 26 - 45 Celsius......my question is for 2gr fks do i need to remain with 0w20 or 5w30 or 5w40? i noticed that i need to heavily throttle my car during 5w40 usage.
As far as i know Toyota recommends 0w20 across the board and these new oils are amazing. I would stick with 0w20. I race on 5w20 but only because 0w20 is not available in the oils i use. The bearing wear even after tends of thousands of miles of racing is not even visible.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks soo which oil you recommend for a high mileage 2gr-fe ?
@@Mj3_ed In my experience taking the 2gr-fe and 2ar-fe apart even the high mileage ones do not show any bearing wear that would indicate clearances opening up. Unless your motor is burning excessive oil demonstrating oil getting past the rings i would just stick with normal Mobil1 0w20 oil. The Mobil1 high mileage oil is a good option if you're getting a bit of oil burning.
I would say please wear more ppe but damn the prices are up
I am sometimes guilty of not having all the right PPE, i'm getting better about that but what PPE are you talking about missing in here?
@@FrankensteinMotorworks gloves when in contact with motor oil
0W-20? What? That's too thin! That's gotta be for FE optimization eh? Would a 5w-30 kill this thing?
Why is that too thin? I even race with oil that thin. Clearances on motors these days are very different than what they used to be. 5w30 won't hurt it but the big thing about the 0w?? oils is it is impossible to make a 0w?? oil from conventional stock. it has to be synthetic. So by requiring a 0w?? they are essentially saying that synthetic is required without saying it directly since it would violate the Magnusson moss regulations.
Later model FE motors are speced for 0w-20
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so we putting this in the SW20 now ???
so we getting 400hp outta this now ???
Not likely but i wanted to see if there was any reason in there to do just that
Those heads just scream easy turbo kit
They already have a turbo kit from D3 Tuning
@@agentoso7582 ya that's nice.
How many fuel injectors does it have ?!
6 direct and 6 port injectors
@@FrankensteinMotorworks thanks
Means s54 fits also
What is going on Marc, you don’t have a S54 bell housing sitting around? I’m going to report this video to TH-cam!
@@evilthorne hahahahahha
What caused the hydrolock? Was a head gasket damaged? Did you find the coolant leak?
It's from the Chicago area and for some reason people often like to take their cars for a swim in the 4' deep flood waters covering the roads sometimes.
I replaced this motor at work a year ago, woman drove through water and the tow truck driver got there and tried to start it. Sad thing is that engine would of been fine if he hadn’t done that. The engines stall out before water does damage 90% of the time. Cylinder 1 is always the victim when people try to restart them
I do ALOT of hydro locks out here in Chicagoland due to people just being oblivious to puddles
Very useful to know which cylinder is getting affected by the water. I like to do off road trips very deep into the bush with my 2021 Tacoma.
So if the engine get flooded , remove the sparkplug from cylinder one and cranking the engine pushing the water out?
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My 2008 Lexus is 250 has a 4GR-FSE & I'll here it's trash & is a red headed 🤬 stepchild to the 2Gr-fe they look the same to me & has 250,000 Miles on it but what do I know? I'm hanging out with all the opinionated haters loitering down in TH-cam comments section on a Friday night watching a complete stranger reverse "engine" eer a Toyota engine. This is 1 notch higher than than watching c-span on Friday and Saturday night at home in highschool
Constructive first comment!
Srsly I'll watch this later :) thanks Marc
Me too!
Dont think you can bore a Toyota
You can bore them out a tiny tiny bit to get some minor scratches out. Some of them indicate 0.13mm max, some say zero but the 2GR/2AR are all the same material and method so i'd feel comfortable at that 0.13mm for any of them. Note that usually the smallest re-bore is 0.25mm so you'll have to find a shop willing to work within half the normal spec. You an also install sleeves instead.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks well I heard if it got those laser coated cylinders you can't bore them those blocks are junk if the cylinder walls is damaged
@@patpeacock8150 these are just normal iron bores
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Toyotas and there head gaskets it makes no sense